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Finished Watching The World At War (26 Ep 70s WW2 Documentary). Very 180

this has to be one of the best historical documentaries ever...
Adventurous address
  01/04/26
what did you learn?
Plum Idiot
  01/04/26
my prior knowledge of ww2 is mainly: big big big 1) the jewi...
Adventurous address
  01/04/26
jews were persecuted? which country did that?
Plum Idiot
  01/04/26
japan. too many BJC expats were raping their women that thei...
Adventurous address
  01/04/26
I once had to write a term paper in college on With the Old ...
French pungent chapel
  01/05/26
in fact very very very badass tp
Adventurous address
  01/05/26
it's incredibly good The Great War from 1964 is equally goo...
offensive step-uncle's house
  01/04/26
just downloaded it tonight, and it's next for us. wife is su...
Adventurous address
  01/04/26
...
offensive step-uncle's house
  01/04/26
You forgot to link or say where to stream
laughsome deer antler
  01/04/26
no, i didn't forget. but here: https://thepiratebay.org/d...
Adventurous address
  01/04/26
I was being polite - you’re a useless faggot and your ...
laughsome deer antler
  01/05/26
Great contribution to this thread!
Adventurous address
  01/05/26
I made the single most important contribution to this thread
laughsome deer antler
  01/05/26
Unmitigated 180 It couldn't be made today because the sub...
supple fanboi pistol
  01/04/26
*ken burns interviews AI ben franklin discussing how indian ...
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  01/04/26
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offensive step-uncle's house
  01/04/26
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Plum Idiot
  01/04/26
I saw parts of this as a kid. Some revisionist podcasts were...
impressive citrine cruise ship cuck
  01/04/26
one moment that sticks with me is curtis lemay defending our...
Adventurous address
  01/04/26
why? who cares imo they wanted total war and then they bitch...
Plum Idiot
  01/04/26
tbf, the whole fucking war (plus ww1) makes you question hum...
Adventurous address
  01/04/26
WW1 battlefields really drive this home. The British took 60...
Shaky Arousing Ladyboy
  01/04/26
jfc. it's just crazy to think these young guys were going in...
Adventurous address
  01/04/26
The Douaumont Ossuary really fucked me up. If you get into t...
Shaky Arousing Ladyboy
  01/04/26
wow that looks scary -- the bones are on display? have yo...
Adventurous address
  01/04/26
Haven't been there, no. Yes, the unidentified pieces of 100,...
Shaky Arousing Ladyboy
  01/04/26
Have you read guns of august
buff abusive toaster french chef
  01/05/26
Yes
Shaky Arousing Ladyboy
  01/05/26
...
Hateful Whorehouse Striped Hyena
  01/04/26
Lemay was 100% right and saved millions of lives.
ruddy blathering bbw water buffalo
  01/04/26
i know it saved millions of lives. but the way he said it wa...
Adventurous address
  01/04/26
Probably making him look bad intentionally. He was a politic...
ruddy blathering bbw water buffalo
  01/04/26
LeMay was one of JFK's biggest critics and was enraged that ...
Naked home
  01/04/26
Ok whatevs. The producers want to diwvredit him so take one ...
ruddy blathering bbw water buffalo
  01/05/26
LeMay was dumb. He was George Wallace's running mate in 1968...
Naked home
  01/05/26
isnt winning 5 states / 45 EVs / 14% outstanding for a 3rd p...
Adventurous address
  01/05/26
Wallace's goal was to win enough states to deny Nixon or Hum...
Naked home
  01/05/26
XO Lemay was a BUCKEYE
Shaky Arousing Ladyboy
  01/04/26
no fucking way jew. dropping the bomb was the worst thing an...
vivacious philosopher-king locale
  01/05/26
lmao where are you getting your numbers from?
massive associate potus
  01/05/26
Read tennozan by George feifer. Okinawa is the definitive...
beady-eyed chestnut tanning salon party of the first part
  01/05/26
Sarah Paine argues that using the bomb saved millions of Jap...
laughsome deer antler
  01/05/26
It's 180, no idea why it's so hard to find online.
Lemon Center
  01/04/26
see the torrent link above.
Adventurous address
  01/04/26
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Electric box office
  01/04/26
i'd recommend two books about the Pacific Theatre: Eugene...
Brilliant Faggotry Multi-billionaire
  01/04/26
ty.
Adventurous address
  01/04/26
...
massive associate potus
  01/05/26
ty
Mind-boggling azure queen of the night corner
  01/05/26
cr, I don't remember if I finished it but what I remember wa...
Slate blood rage
  01/04/26
Daily Motion has them all: https://www.dailymotion.com/vi...
Lemon Center
  01/04/26
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x94t5kc?start=3001
Lemon Center
  01/05/26
I watched this all I learned was that Eva Braun was a babe i...
razzle-dazzle library prole
  01/05/26
There were much better random Aryan girls in the footage tha...
Adventurous address
  01/05/26
much better random Aryan girls in the footage tp
buff abusive toaster french chef
  01/05/26
She chunked up later in life but in her youth she was lithe ...
razzle-dazzle library prole
  01/05/26
wwop
Adventurous address
  01/05/26
The War at Sea is also excellent.
Bearded feces
  01/05/26
Bookmarked, ty
Exhilarant bipolar hominid
  01/05/26
...
buff abusive toaster french chef
  01/05/26
looks like most of the series is on YT for free.. first e...
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Date: January 4th, 2026 9:01 PM
Author: Adventurous address

this has to be one of the best historical documentaries ever made. wife and i watched it over the past 1-2 months, and it's well worth it. everyone should watch this.

the footage is amazing. we've all seen plenty of ww2 movies, but seeing real footage is more dramatic than seeing hollywood sensationalism.

the interviews really make the series. it's utterly impressive how the production managed to secure interview with such high ranking people from all sides -- hitler's valet and hitler's secretary (who were literally in the bunker when hitler killed himself, the former who burned hitler's body), albert speer (nazi cabinet officer who was convicted at nuremburg), himler's #2, etc.

lawrence olivier is the narrator, but the interviewers really tell the story. the production really do a good job at telling the story through people who lived the war -- high ranking government people, rank and file soldiers, and civilians.

they also did a great job showing the german, russian and japanese sides of things in a fair way that made the viewer, not the production, be the judge of what's the truth so it didn't seem like pro-western propaganda.

wife's main complaint was that she didn't like how the storytelling wasn't chronological. the episodes are thematic. so the series moves back and forth in time. wife thought that harms the ability of the series to tell a coherent story from A to Z. i figured it's impossible to do a good job of covering a three-front war in strictly chronological order and didn't mind the editorial discretion to run the series topically.

all in all, everyone should watch this. i learned an absolute ton.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562716)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 9:04 PM
Author: Plum Idiot

what did you learn?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562721)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 9:17 PM
Author: Adventurous address

my prior knowledge of ww2 is mainly: big big big 1) the jewish story (nazi ideology, jews being persecuted, holocaust, etc), and 2) the US-centric version that i learned in ap us history and in major US movies (we stayed out of the war, pearl harbor, d-day, a-bomb).

i previously knew almost nothing about the pacific war. i'd heard the battle names -- midway, iwo jima, saipan, etc. but i had no perspective on what they were and how they happened and the chain of events and strategies and struggles of each country. i also didn't virtually anything about all proxy wars that the japs fought the west in -- phillipines, burma, etc.

i also knew very little about the eastern front and the battles in north africa. i knew the very big stuff on the most superficial level, but didn't know the details of these struggles and how they related to the overall global war strategies of the major players. i didn't really understand what anyone was doing in north africa until now.

aside from timelines and war x's and o's, i learned a lot of the social and human perspectives on the war told through the stories of people. you don't get this kind of stuff in the movies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562758)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 9:18 PM
Author: Plum Idiot

jews were persecuted? which country did that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562763)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 9:20 PM
Author: Adventurous address

japan. too many BJC expats were raping their women that their pilots went kamakaze

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562769)



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Date: January 5th, 2026 2:26 PM
Author: French pungent chapel

I once had to write a term paper in college on With the Old Breed (book HBO's Pacific series based on). Prof was an ex military nutfuck and I was able to secure an A- by repeating multiple times that the Marines at Okinawa were in fact very very very badass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49564357)



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Date: January 5th, 2026 2:48 PM
Author: Adventurous address

in fact very very very badass tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49564438)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 9:12 PM
Author: offensive step-uncle's house

it's incredibly good

The Great War from 1964 is equally good

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562741)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 9:18 PM
Author: Adventurous address

just downloaded it tonight, and it's next for us. wife is super excited.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562761)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 9:19 PM
Author: offensive step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562766)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 9:14 PM
Author: laughsome deer antler

You forgot to link or say where to stream

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562747)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 9:20 PM
Author: Adventurous address

no, i didn't forget. but here:

https://thepiratebay.org/description.php?id=78043272

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562767)



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Date: January 5th, 2026 6:12 AM
Author: laughsome deer antler

I was being polite - you’re a useless faggot and your wife is obviously fat and gross

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49563358)



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Date: January 5th, 2026 8:59 AM
Author: Adventurous address

Great contribution to this thread!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49563474)



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Date: January 5th, 2026 11:20 AM
Author: laughsome deer antler

I made the single most important contribution to this thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49563735)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 9:26 PM
Author: supple fanboi pistol

Unmitigated 180

It couldn't be made today because the subjects interviewed are long dead, it covers the German perspective, and it's quite detailed and in depth.

With respect to the interviews: All history writing (and documenteries and lectures) is biased and incomlete. At least with works produced shortly after the events, like this one, we can hear directly from the sources. History content created later is largely an invention of its creator and probably laughably off the mark in most cases.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562779)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 9:43 PM
Author: Adventurous address

*ken burns interviews AI ben franklin discussing how indian ideology influenced the revolutionary war*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562810)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 9:44 PM
Author: offensive step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562813)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 9:47 PM
Author: Plum Idiot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562819)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 9:48 PM
Author: impressive citrine cruise ship cuck

I saw parts of this as a kid. Some revisionist podcasts were covering it recently, but it was a painful slog to listen to all the whining about, "Why were the Soviets so mean to the Germans?" combined with "The Germans waged total race war on the Eastern Front because they were forced to."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562822)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 9:52 PM
Author: Adventurous address

one moment that sticks with me is curtis lemay defending our use of the bomb by saying that us troops were tired and emotionally worn out from all the tough fighting. obviously there's more to it than that, but i think he may have either put his foot in his mouth a bit or was quoted out of context. they used this quote juxtaposed with other powerful people talking about the necessity of the bomb and its implications.

i'm no shitlib pacifist and fuck the japs, but the use of the bomb really makes you question humanity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562831)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 9:58 PM
Author: Plum Idiot

why? who cares imo they wanted total war and then they bitch when they get it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562840)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 10:02 PM
Author: Adventurous address

tbf, the whole fucking war (plus ww1) makes you question humanity. ww2 was brutal as fuck. so much senseless loss of life all around the world. the 20th century was truly a brutal century. mankind is fucked up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562852)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 10:08 PM
Author: Shaky Arousing Ladyboy

WW1 battlefields really drive this home. The British took 60,000 casualties (20,000 KIA) in like two hours on the first day of the Somme offensive and went nowhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562875)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 10:16 PM
Author: Adventurous address

jfc. it's just crazy to think these young guys were going into some battle where there was a 90% chance they'd be blown the fuck up, e.g., getting across on land in some of these battles against japan in the pacific. i dont know how guys could not be cowards.

i know very little about ww1 other than the big hollywood movies like 1917 and all quiet on the western front. looking forward to the ww1 docu.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562902)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 10:18 PM
Author: Shaky Arousing Ladyboy

The Douaumont Ossuary really fucked me up. If you get into this, def do a WW1 battlefield tour.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562910)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 10:22 PM
Author: Adventurous address

wow that looks scary -- the bones are on display?

have you been to this memorial village in france:

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/oradour-sur-glane-martyred-village

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562922)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 10:23 PM
Author: Shaky Arousing Ladyboy

Haven't been there, no. Yes, the unidentified pieces of 100,000+ people blown apart by artillery and left to rot on the battlefield in Verdun until after the war's end.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562927)



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Date: January 5th, 2026 9:02 AM
Author: buff abusive toaster french chef

Have you read guns of august

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49563486)



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Date: January 5th, 2026 9:41 AM
Author: Shaky Arousing Ladyboy

Yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49563535)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 10:19 PM
Author: Hateful Whorehouse Striped Hyena



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562915)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 10:03 PM
Author: ruddy blathering bbw water buffalo

Lemay was 100% right and saved millions of lives.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562855)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 10:05 PM
Author: Adventurous address

i know it saved millions of lives. but the way he said it was that it ended the war a little bit quicker and got the troops home sooner bc they were tired.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562859)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 10:07 PM
Author: ruddy blathering bbw water buffalo

Probably making him look bad intentionally. He was a political animal aligned with kennedy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562868)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 10:11 PM
Author: Naked home

LeMay was one of JFK's biggest critics and was enraged that he wouldn't invade Cuba during the missile crisis.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562883)



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Date: January 5th, 2026 3:51 PM
Author: ruddy blathering bbw water buffalo

Ok whatevs. The producers want to diwvredit him so take one of his typically gruff candid comments out of context and make him look dumb.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49564670)



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Date: January 5th, 2026 10:33 PM
Author: Naked home

LeMay was dumb. He was George Wallace's running mate in 1968 and told reporters he would consider using nuclear weapons in Vietnam. Wallace was humiliated and they finished a distant third in the election.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49565700)



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Date: January 5th, 2026 10:40 PM
Author: Adventurous address

isnt winning 5 states / 45 EVs / 14% outstanding for a 3rd party?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49565711)



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Date: January 5th, 2026 10:44 PM
Author: Naked home

Wallace's goal was to win enough states to deny Nixon or Humphrey a majority, thereby throwing the election into the House. He failed miserably, and many believe LeMay's comments were responsible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49565721)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 10:07 PM
Author: Shaky Arousing Ladyboy

XO Lemay was a BUCKEYE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562871)



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Date: January 5th, 2026 12:03 PM
Author: vivacious philosopher-king locale

no fucking way jew. dropping the bomb was the worst thing any country has ever done. its not even close. Offing half a million civilians because (insert bullshit reason) is insanity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49563853)



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Date: January 5th, 2026 12:04 PM
Author: massive associate potus

lmao where are you getting your numbers from?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49563854)



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Date: January 5th, 2026 2:46 AM
Author: beady-eyed chestnut tanning salon party of the first part

Read tennozan by George feifer.

Okinawa is the definitive argument for the bomb.

Lemay, of course, was a psychopath

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49563256)



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Date: January 5th, 2026 6:13 AM
Author: laughsome deer antler

Sarah Paine argues that using the bomb saved millions of Japanese who were about to die from starvation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49563359)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 10:06 PM
Author: Lemon Center

It's 180, no idea why it's so hard to find online.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562864)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 10:08 PM
Author: Adventurous address

see the torrent link above.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562873)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 10:11 PM
Author: Electric box office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562882)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 10:15 PM
Author: Brilliant Faggotry Multi-billionaire

i'd recommend two books about the Pacific Theatre:

Eugene Sledge’s memoir, "With the Old Breed"

Richard Tregaskis, "Guadalcanal Diary"



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562897)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 10:18 PM
Author: Adventurous address

ty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562906)



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Date: January 5th, 2026 4:08 AM
Author: massive associate potus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49563314)



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Date: January 5th, 2026 8:43 AM
Author: Mind-boggling azure queen of the night corner

ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49563466)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 10:16 PM
Author: Slate blood rage

cr, I don't remember if I finished it but what I remember was 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562899)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 10:33 PM
Author: Lemon Center

Daily Motion has them all:

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x94t5kc

Go to 50:04 to see the genius of this production - they use the distant refrains of the "Wenn Wir Marschieren" marching song on top of videos of Germans surrendering outside Moscow to create a mood. Poignant as fuck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49562959)



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Date: January 5th, 2026 12:22 AM
Author: Lemon Center

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x94t5kc?start=3001

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49563181)



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Date: January 5th, 2026 2:24 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle library prole

I watched this all I learned was that Eva Braun was a babe in her prime. Cotdamn.

Combine with Albert Speer's postwar quote on her at Hitler's relationship. "She was for bed."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49563244)



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Date: January 5th, 2026 9:01 AM
Author: Adventurous address

There were much better random Aryan girls in the footage than this:

https://marcuse.faculty.history.ucsb.edu/classes/33d/projects/naziwomen/eva00000.png

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49563483)



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Date: January 5th, 2026 9:06 AM
Author: buff abusive toaster french chef

much better random Aryan girls in the footage tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49563489)



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Date: January 5th, 2026 11:45 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle library prole

She chunked up later in life but in her youth she was lithe and flexible hth. Typical ugly German face but that's how 95% of German women are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49563794)



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Date: January 5th, 2026 12:21 PM
Author: Adventurous address

wwop

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49563919)



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Date: January 5th, 2026 3:52 AM
Author: Bearded feces

The War at Sea is also excellent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49563296)



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Date: January 5th, 2026 8:24 AM
Author: Exhilarant bipolar hominid

Bookmarked, ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49563445)



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Date: January 5th, 2026 9:04 AM
Author: buff abusive toaster french chef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49563487)



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Date: January 5th, 2026 11:38 AM
Author: massive associate potus

looks like most of the series is on YT for free..

first episode

https://youtu.be/0b4g4ZZNC1E

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817360&forum_id=2#49563773)