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About to get stealthed- 5th yr NYC v25

WTF to do bros? Partner mentor called me in today (my annual...
duck-like lay
  07/30/13
(Quinn associate)
Electric stubborn crackhouse old irish cottage
  07/30/13
Not Quinn, but close
duck-like lay
  07/30/13
Boies?
Electric stubborn crackhouse old irish cottage
  07/30/13
not lit / corp
duck-like lay
  07/30/13
(weil associate)
Irate death wish
  07/31/13
Race?
apoplectic cerise business firm rigor
  07/31/13
out the firm
provocative chest-beating principal's office
  07/30/13
will not do it until I figure out wtf to do with my life
duck-like lay
  07/30/13
you should've been planning for this for the last 2 years ...
trip point
  07/30/13
sure I have had this in the back of my mind and emailed a ha...
duck-like lay
  07/30/13
lol they let you stay on four+ years, probably doing shitty ...
claret charismatic station
  07/30/13
fair enough. go to another firm or fucking quit?
duck-like lay
  07/30/13
I guess. well, anyways, don't become unemployed bc then the ...
claret charismatic station
  07/30/13
Honestly advice here Step 1: Go into the review tomorrow...
Electric stubborn crackhouse old irish cottage
  07/30/13
Thank you for the advice bro. I was going to ask for until t...
duck-like lay
  07/30/13
Tactfully yes. Don't get railroaded for sure. It's the onl...
Electric stubborn crackhouse old irish cottage
  07/30/13
I plan on just stating that I disagree with their assessment...
duck-like lay
  07/30/13
Exactly the smart play. I would say that this comes as a sh...
Electric stubborn crackhouse old irish cottage
  07/30/13
how the fuck do you cashout vacation when you aren't leaving...
duck-like lay
  07/30/13
Some firms let you cash out your vacation and maybe sick day...
Electric stubborn crackhouse old irish cottage
  07/30/13
wish that was the case
duck-like lay
  07/30/13
Explain the protip QP. Don't you get these anyway after you ...
Bonkers Newt
  07/30/13
Depends on the state law. In some states employers can fuck...
Electric stubborn crackhouse old irish cottage
  07/31/13
Explain how asking for four would go Edit: this is good ...
lascivious space travel guidebook
  07/30/13
see above poast
Electric stubborn crackhouse old irish cottage
  07/30/13
Ty
lascivious space travel guidebook
  07/30/13
The only way the firm gives you more than 3 is if they are w...
Hot curious mad-dog skullcap
  07/31/13
Yes, very doubtful they will negotiate but you'll regret not...
Balding hyperactive public bath
  07/31/13
Step 4: Set up LLC/PLLC/whatever in case you need to convinc...
Buff incel
  07/30/13
CR. They are always disingenuous about performance. When it'...
Balding hyperactive public bath
  07/31/13
debt? hours?
Sickened mind-boggling tank temple
  07/30/13
no debt, decent savings, but wife and kids
duck-like lay
  07/30/13
how many hours were you billing? why are they letting you go...
Sickened mind-boggling tank temple
  07/30/13
on target for about 21-2200 this year. bit lower than previo...
duck-like lay
  07/30/13
why doesn't she like you?
Fuchsia House
  07/30/13
She fucked something up when she came over and tried to thro...
duck-like lay
  07/30/13
Can you reveal the 3rd letter of her first name?
Adventurous half-breed
  07/30/13
...
duck-like lay
  07/30/13
nevermind, I thought I knew her. must be a different awful ...
Adventurous half-breed
  07/30/13
JFC for being stealthed at 21-2200 hrs regardless of persona...
Pea-brained range
  07/31/13
I know. BS but nothing to do
duck-like lay
  07/31/13
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324764&mc=9...
lascivious space travel guidebook
  07/30/13
thanks bro, but ATL? naah
duck-like lay
  07/30/13
Yeah. The timing just worked out. Seriously, good luck ma...
lascivious space travel guidebook
  07/30/13
are those worthwhile?
duck-like lay
  07/30/13
No personal experience, but I expect so.
lascivious space travel guidebook
  07/30/13
Hey mang, if you are up to it, I'm sure it would be apprecia...
lascivious space travel guidebook
  07/30/13
of course. I just got my first response email from a recruit...
duck-like lay
  07/30/13
Just a heads up, recruiters are great for BIGLAW positions b...
Electric stubborn crackhouse old irish cottage
  07/30/13
TY for the tip. What websites would you suggest for dat inho...
duck-like lay
  07/30/13
www.goinhouse.com ACC website simplyhired.com linkedin ...
Electric stubborn crackhouse old irish cottage
  07/30/13
thank you friend
duck-like lay
  07/30/13
i would go a step further and say that if a recruiter is off...
motley dead sex offender
  07/30/13
CP. Also, be careful with recruiters. Some will just spam yo...
Orchid Athletic Conference Native
  07/31/13
My GF just had an interview with a V50 and he said they excl...
Citrine shrine patrolman
  07/31/13
Recruiters are also good when you are working with a 3-month...
Hot curious mad-dog skullcap
  07/31/13
Many thanks.
lascivious space travel guidebook
  07/30/13
I hope you will continue to update ITT, friend
Bonkers Newt
  07/30/13
If you're at DPW, well, a friend of mine is going through th...
judgmental becky indian lodge
  07/30/13
credited, they are shitcanning people
Histrionic indecent bbw
  07/31/13
but they are lateral hiring in lit as we speak. explain.
Big school
  07/31/13
thats natural. this is just part of the biglaw cycle. a 5th ...
shaky doctorate scourge upon the earth
  07/31/13
Shouldn't years 4-6 be more valuable as your rate is higher,...
Pearl macaca really tough guy
  07/31/13
the rate is higher so there is more pressure to justify your...
shaky doctorate scourge upon the earth
  07/31/13
That blows.
Pearl macaca really tough guy
  07/31/13
...
judgmental becky indian lodge
  07/30/13
How much money did you save and how much debt did you pay of...
primrose rigpig step-uncle's house
  07/31/13
Small debt accrued and paid 50k Outside of retirement, I ha...
duck-like lay
  07/31/13
damn how did you save $250K with a wife and kids after only ...
Comical opaque water buffalo
  07/31/13
Wife worked until kid #2 came and we live very fucking tight...
duck-like lay
  07/31/13
could you lay out your monthly budget/expenses
Comical opaque water buffalo
  07/31/13
Aside from healthcare, I spend approx. 4k on housing and 3k ...
duck-like lay
  07/31/13
$4K? Do you have a mortgage?
Comical opaque water buffalo
  07/31/13
Y
duck-like lay
  07/31/13
y or why? why - just curious. 3k for other expenses seems ...
Comical opaque water buffalo
  07/31/13
Spend no money / eat at home
duck-like lay
  07/31/13
Well review / firing in 15. Wish me luck bros
duck-like lay
  07/31/13
GL. In the end things will work out, it just may take some ...
Learning disabled naked corner karate
  07/31/13
GL
Comical opaque water buffalo
  07/31/13
Best of luck brother. Also, feel free to leave right after y...
Orchid Athletic Conference Native
  07/31/13
I wouldn't set foot in the office for 90 days.
Hot curious mad-dog skullcap
  07/31/13
I may do it if the firm were pulling strings to help me get ...
Orchid Athletic Conference Native
  07/31/13
Lol @ going to work to trick your spouse, you gotta be fucki...
Hot curious mad-dog skullcap
  07/31/13
Some people have family issues brother. I can't find the ori...
Orchid Athletic Conference Native
  07/31/13
one partner has offered to help me out, so I will keep doing...
duck-like lay
  08/01/13
Been there, bro. Good luck. The advice in this thread is a...
Boyish jap heaven
  07/31/13
How'd it go down, bro? Share with us before you hit the bot...
Hot curious mad-dog skullcap
  07/31/13
...
mildly autistic fanboi
  07/31/13
Likeable characters, strong story arc, cliff-hanger. Sol...
cracking zombie-like puppy
  07/31/13
Nothing unbelievable about it though. Happens all the time. ...
Balding hyperactive public bath
  07/31/13
That's why it worked. You idiots should take note.
cracking zombie-like puppy
  07/31/13
Cool man, I'll make a flame thread that I took a dump just n...
Balding hyperactive public bath
  07/31/13
lol
Comical opaque water buffalo
  07/31/13
he saved $250k
Comical opaque water buffalo
  07/31/13
Hm, well he only had 50k debt and still has some. So not too...
Balding hyperactive public bath
  07/31/13
And wife worked for 3+ yrs
duck-like lay
  07/31/13
...
Comical opaque water buffalo
  07/31/13
i want an update on this sikkk flaym
odious nofapping theatre
  07/31/13
Wish it was flame bro it's my life
duck-like lay
  07/31/13
bbbbbump
lascivious space travel guidebook
  07/31/13
...
tripping massive stage
  07/31/13
Hey man, you don't have to answer to the firm anymore, but y...
Bonkers Newt
  07/31/13
Well it looks like 4 months
duck-like lay
  07/31/13
Tell us more
out-of-control silver trump supporter
  07/31/13
NO surprises. They started in on my performance / I cut them...
duck-like lay
  07/31/13
They offered 3, I said that was absurd given that its August...
duck-like lay
  07/31/13
Lol FLAME thanks for playing
out-of-control silver trump supporter
  07/31/13
Bro, I wish this was flame. This is my fucking life
duck-like lay
  07/31/13
take a pic of something in your office
Comical opaque water buffalo
  07/31/13
?
Comical opaque water buffalo
  07/31/13
?
Onyx Vigorous Toilet Seat Church Building
  07/31/13
Wow not bad man. Congrats
Balding hyperactive public bath
  07/31/13
I feel ok Edit: but I am pretty bummed out
duck-like lay
  07/31/13
Just a typical, predictable thing man.
Balding hyperactive public bath
  07/31/13
Has to happen once I suppose
duck-like lay
  07/31/13
What did you do with the rest of the day.
Bonkers Newt
  07/31/13
got drinks with a friend, came back, spammed resume to recru...
duck-like lay
  08/01/13
sorry bro
Comical opaque water buffalo
  07/31/13
to op bro (if not flame): really sorry to hear it. it suck...
ruddy senate
  07/31/13
(John Quinn)
Orchid Athletic Conference Native
  08/01/13
so the other assocs who are getting shitcanned along with me...
duck-like lay
  08/01/13
how is allen and overy
Cocky tanning salon idiot
  08/01/13
*was
Effete Blathering Base Kitty
  08/01/13
...
brilliant indirect expression
  07/21/20
JFC- I think I was the OP given the datestamps Update: Jo...
Mewling self-centered abode juggernaut
  07/21/20
Update?
Abusive brethren
  07/21/20
see above
Mewling self-centered abode juggernaut
  07/21/20
how's in house compare to biglaw in terms of demands on your...
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  07/21/20
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  07/23/20


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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:00 PM
Author: duck-like lay

WTF to do bros? Partner mentor called me in today (my annual review is tomorrow) and gave me the headsup. World is shattering.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752031)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:02 PM
Author: Electric stubborn crackhouse old irish cottage

(Quinn associate)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752037)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:06 PM
Author: duck-like lay

Not Quinn, but close

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752059)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:09 PM
Author: Electric stubborn crackhouse old irish cottage

Boies?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752083)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:10 PM
Author: duck-like lay

not lit / corp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752091)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 10:49 AM
Author: Irate death wish

(weil associate)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23754962)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 6:04 AM
Author: apoplectic cerise business firm rigor

Race?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23754502)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:03 PM
Author: provocative chest-beating principal's office

out the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752039)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:06 PM
Author: duck-like lay

will not do it until I figure out wtf to do with my life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752055)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:07 PM
Author: trip point

you should've been planning for this for the last 2 years

but good luck to you bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752062)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:09 PM
Author: duck-like lay

sure I have had this in the back of my mind and emailed a half-dozen recruiters already tonight, but do I have any chance? or will lateral people just shit on me now that I am in the dog house?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752082)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:08 PM
Author: claret charismatic station

lol they let you stay on four+ years, probably doing shitty work along the way. what did you think would happen?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752078)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:10 PM
Author: duck-like lay

fair enough. go to another firm or fucking quit?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752090)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 9:04 PM
Author: claret charismatic station

I guess. well, anyways, don't become unemployed bc then the last four years was for nothing but the cash, and that wasn't a good trade unless you had no friends and nothing to do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752418)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:14 PM
Author: Electric stubborn crackhouse old irish cottage

Honestly advice here

Step 1: Go into the review tomorrow and don't take any shit. If you think they are being disingenuous about your performance, don't be a pussy call them out on it. When they tell you that you have three months, ask for four months. Stand up for yourself and don't let the act like they're doing you any favors.

Step 2: Walk out the the review and go home. Take the rest of the week off and clear your head. Go do something fun.

Step 3: First thing Sunday morning, sit down and polish your resume, draft a couple generic cover letters and start applying for ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING. Apply to firms, in-house, non-profits, government, non-legal jobs. Give yourself as many options as you can while you have the time.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752125)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:23 PM
Author: duck-like lay

Thank you for the advice bro. I was going to ask for until the end of the year, but will consider myself lucky if I get 4 months. To that end, still advisable to call them out on the bs review I am about to get?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752208)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:27 PM
Author: Electric stubborn crackhouse old irish cottage

Tactfully yes. Don't get railroaded for sure. It's the only chance you'll have to stand up for yourself and if you don't you'll regret it. Worst case scenario you get 3 months. Best case you have a backbone a negotiate 6 months plus bonus.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752228)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:28 PM
Author: duck-like lay

I plan on just stating that I disagree with their assessment but would like until the end of the year, my office, my email, me on the website, etc while I get my shit together

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752234)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:32 PM
Author: Electric stubborn crackhouse old irish cottage

Exactly the smart play. I would say that this comes as a shock, you've been given good feedback and have given a substantial part of your career to the firm. You haven't even started looking for new jobs and it will take time to get things in motion. Explain how bleeck the market is for laterals right now (make this up). Out of respect you'd appreciate having until the end of the year.

PROTIP: If you're able to cash out your vacation or any other benefits, make sure to e-mail accounting or HR first thing tomorrow morning before your review to get the ball rolling. Otherwise you'll get fucked out of that too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752256)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:35 PM
Author: duck-like lay

how the fuck do you cashout vacation when you aren't leaving (officially)?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752274)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:39 PM
Author: Electric stubborn crackhouse old irish cottage

Some firms let you cash out your vacation and maybe sick days once they have accrued to a certain level without actually leaving the firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752316)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 9:09 PM
Author: duck-like lay

wish that was the case

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752442)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 9:45 PM
Author: Bonkers Newt

Explain the protip QP. Don't you get these anyway after you end? (This is relevant to my interests)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752709)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 12:16 PM
Author: Electric stubborn crackhouse old irish cottage

Depends on the state law. In some states employers can fuck you on it.

I only mention it because some firms will let you cash out if you have accrued enough. Better to go ahead and cash out now rather than run the risk of getting fucked out of it when you actually leave.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23755235)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:24 PM
Author: lascivious space travel guidebook

Explain how asking for four would go

Edit: this is good advice though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752218)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:32 PM
Author: Electric stubborn crackhouse old irish cottage

see above poast

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752259)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:33 PM
Author: lascivious space travel guidebook

Ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752263)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 10:27 AM
Author: Hot curious mad-dog skullcap

The only way the firm gives you more than 3 is if they are worried about being sued for some kind of discrimination.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23754859)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 10:56 AM
Author: Balding hyperactive public bath

Yes, very doubtful they will negotiate but you'll regret not asking at least.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23754986)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 9:40 PM
Author: Buff incel

Step 4: Set up LLC/PLLC/whatever in case you need to convince someone that you were trying to start your own business.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752668)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 10:54 AM
Author: Balding hyperactive public bath

CR. They are always disingenuous about performance. When it's time to cull the herd, they do just that and completely make up shit about your performance to justify it. You'll feel better if you call them on it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23754984)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:34 PM
Author: Sickened mind-boggling tank temple

debt? hours?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752271)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:36 PM
Author: duck-like lay

no debt, decent savings, but wife and kids

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752284)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:36 PM
Author: Sickened mind-boggling tank temple

how many hours were you billing? why are they letting you go?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752291)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:38 PM
Author: duck-like lay

on target for about 21-2200 this year. bit lower than previous years (24-2500). I think is the result of a) slower biz in our group, b) new lateral partner bitch doesn't like me and openly trashes me

EDIT: hours are somewhat of a defense, but when the shit comes down, it's about who has your back

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752301)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 9:13 PM
Author: Fuchsia House

why doesn't she like you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752469)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 9:27 PM
Author: duck-like lay

She fucked something up when she came over and tried to throw my associate mentee (a blameless first year in the group) under the bus and I called her out to the practice group head. This was also after I turned her down twice on assignments because I was "too busy" (but really didn't want to work with her because a bro at her old firm told me what a POS she is)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752561)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 9:38 PM
Author: Adventurous half-breed

Can you reveal the 3rd letter of her first name?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752648)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 9:39 PM
Author: duck-like lay



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752666)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 9:42 PM
Author: Adventurous half-breed

nevermind, I thought I knew her. must be a different awful lateral partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752695)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 10:11 AM
Author: Pea-brained range

JFC for being stealthed at 21-2200 hrs regardless of personality clashes. it's not like they can just lateral someone in (at mid-senior levels, the lateral market for law firms is bleak because of competition from in-house gigs)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23754811)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 1:43 PM
Author: duck-like lay

I know. BS but nothing to do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23755500)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:35 PM
Author: lascivious space travel guidebook

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324764&mc=99&forum_id=2

Leaving this here mang

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752275)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:35 PM
Author: duck-like lay

thanks bro, but ATL? naah

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752280)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:38 PM
Author: lascivious space travel guidebook

Yeah. The timing just worked out. Seriously, good luck man. It may be a bitch but you will land on your feet. The firm has an incentive to make sure you do and will probably hook you up with an outplacement service etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752309)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:39 PM
Author: duck-like lay

are those worthwhile?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752314)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:49 PM
Author: lascivious space travel guidebook

No personal experience, but I expect so.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752332)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 8:59 PM
Author: lascivious space travel guidebook

Hey mang, if you are up to it, I'm sure it would be appreciated by myself and others if you update this thread in the month(s) to come. We all have a clock that is winding down, and info is hard to come by.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752392)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 9:10 PM
Author: duck-like lay

of course. I just got my first response email from a recruiter so I will let you know how this goes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752446)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 9:19 PM
Author: Electric stubborn crackhouse old irish cottage

Just a heads up, recruiters are great for BIGLAW positions but they don't give you everything. You may want to spend a few hours going to firm web sites, even for BIGLAW, and see what they have posted as openings.

Watching my bros go through the process, many firms are more likely to bring you in if you apply directly through the web site as opposed to a recruiter (since they don't have to pay a fee). And you're more likely to negotiate a signing bonus.

With smaller firms and in-house positions, it will all be on your own so start combing web sites starting Sunday.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752504)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 9:27 PM
Author: duck-like lay

TY for the tip. What websites would you suggest for dat inhouse?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752570)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 9:31 PM
Author: Electric stubborn crackhouse old irish cottage

www.goinhouse.com

ACC website

simplyhired.com

linkedin

And just simply look at what companies are in the areas you want to live. Look at their websites and see if they have openings.

For legal jobs use:

law360

www.gobiglaw.com

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752598)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 9:33 PM
Author: duck-like lay

thank you friend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752608)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 11:00 PM
Author: motley dead sex offender

i would go a step further and say that if a recruiter is offering you a biglaw position that is openly advertised on their website (and thus not an exclusive recruiter listing), don't apply through the recruiter at all.

law firms recruiting doesn't work like anything else where submitting through website is like submitting into a black hole. if you're qualified, they will get back to you in biglaw and they will be more likely to get back to you if they don't have to pay an absurd recruiter fee when they can get an equally qualified candidate without paying one.

i say this from experience where recruiters submitting me to ttt shit and they weren't responding at all while i was getting intvs at higher ranked vault firms submitting on my own.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23753334)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 10:18 AM
Author: Orchid Athletic Conference Native

CP. Also, be careful with recruiters. Some will just spam your resume to multiple firms: a spray and pray approach.

I have dealt with a handful of recruiters, and I can say that out of like 6 recruiters, only one was great. The recruiter would call me to let me know that I was rejected and applied to firms I was interest in. Some recruiters will try to push any firm on you, which may be what you want considering your circumstances.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23754822)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 7:23 AM
Author: Citrine shrine patrolman

My GF just had an interview with a V50 and he said they exclusively hire through recruiters, and basically implied that he knew other firms did that as well.

I am not disagreeing with your advice, but it just goes to show you that you need to exhaust 100% of your options. Headhunters, job postings, personal friends, business contacts, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23754548)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 10:30 AM
Author: Hot curious mad-dog skullcap

Recruiters are also good when you are working with a 3-month clock. They seem hell-bent on moving the ball along as quickly as humanly possible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23754875)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 9:30 PM
Author: lascivious space travel guidebook

Many thanks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752589)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 9:48 PM
Author: Bonkers Newt

I hope you will continue to update ITT, friend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23752730)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 11:01 PM
Author: judgmental becky indian lodge

If you're at DPW, well, a friend of mine is going through the same thing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23753340)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 12:26 AM
Author: Histrionic indecent bbw

credited, they are shitcanning people

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23753845)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 12:42 AM
Author: Big school

but they are lateral hiring in lit as we speak. explain.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23753930)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 9:53 AM
Author: shaky doctorate scourge upon the earth

thats natural. this is just part of the biglaw cycle. a 5th year would be very vulnerable to stealthing in any economy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23754778)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 10:47 AM
Author: Pearl macaca really tough guy

Shouldn't years 4-6 be more valuable as your rate is higher, your work is less general, and there are fewer of you around?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23754956)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 10:58 AM
Author: shaky doctorate scourge upon the earth

the rate is higher so there is more pressure to justify your existence. at this stage you really start representing the firm and you serve as the clients first point of contact, so scrutiny is heightened. plus, since you can leverage juniors, generally fewer of the people at this level are needed. so there is a natural need to cull.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23754990)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 11:04 AM
Author: Pearl macaca really tough guy

That blows.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23755007)



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Date: July 30th, 2013 11:48 PM
Author: judgmental becky indian lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23753648)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 10:13 AM
Author: primrose rigpig step-uncle's house

How much money did you save and how much debt did you pay off?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23754816)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 1:46 PM
Author: duck-like lay

Small debt accrued and paid 50k

Outside of retirement, I have over 250k saved, so I should be ok for a bit. However being wife and kid pwned, I have to move fAst

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23755514)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 2:01 PM
Author: Comical opaque water buffalo

damn how did you save $250K with a wife and kids after only 5 years?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23755569)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 2:12 PM
Author: duck-like lay

Wife worked until kid #2 came and we live very fucking tight / given the Layoffs in 09, we have been essentially planning for this (we are both skinflint Jews)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23755609)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 2:20 PM
Author: Comical opaque water buffalo

could you lay out your monthly budget/expenses

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23755656)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 2:25 PM
Author: duck-like lay

Aside from healthcare, I spend approx. 4k on housing and 3k on everything else

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23755682)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 2:26 PM
Author: Comical opaque water buffalo

$4K? Do you have a mortgage?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23755686)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 2:29 PM
Author: duck-like lay

Y

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23755698)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 2:40 PM
Author: Comical opaque water buffalo

y or why? why - just curious. 3k for other expenses seems impressively low

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23755762)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 2:44 PM
Author: duck-like lay

Spend no money / eat at home

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23755777)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 2:44 PM
Author: duck-like lay

Well review / firing in 15. Wish me luck bros

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23755780)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 2:47 PM
Author: Learning disabled naked corner karate

GL. In the end things will work out, it just may take some time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23755791)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 2:48 PM
Author: Comical opaque water buffalo

GL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23755794)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 2:50 PM
Author: Orchid Athletic Conference Native

Best of luck brother. Also, feel free to leave right after your review. My suggestion would be to start handing off your work to other associates and go have a nice dinner (preferably home cooked) with your wife and kids.

Another tip would be that you let the partners know that you would like a few days off in order to gather your thoughts, etc. This is assuming you will be coming back into work after they gave you your marching orders. I asked for a few days off and never came back. I took a road trip through the South.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23755805)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 3:02 PM
Author: Hot curious mad-dog skullcap

I wouldn't set foot in the office for 90 days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23755849)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 3:35 PM
Author: Orchid Athletic Conference Native

I may do it if the firm were pulling strings to help me get a job. A friend of mine was fired, but a partner helped secure him an in-house position. It was probably more the timing. The client was looking for someone with his exact skill set.

Other than that, I know some people may go in to give the spouse and family the appearance that they are still employed. Although, I'd probably go to the movies in a suit if I had to do it.

Nevertheless, your statement is credited. Take those 90 days for yourself and your family.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23756021)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 3:36 PM
Author: Hot curious mad-dog skullcap

Lol @ going to work to trick your spouse, you gotta be fucking kidding

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23756025)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 4:26 PM
Author: Orchid Athletic Conference Native

Some people have family issues brother. I can't find the original article, but this dude was pretending to go to work every day: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1303018/Sacked-City-banker-paid-escorts-taunt-hanged-himself.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23756338)



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Date: August 1st, 2013 4:55 PM
Author: duck-like lay

one partner has offered to help me out, so I will keep doing his stuff

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23763055)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 3:09 PM
Author: Boyish jap heaven

Been there, bro. Good luck. The advice in this thread is all credited: Go back to your office, log off of computer, turn off BB, and head home. Make it absolutely clear that you don't expect to be their bitch through the end. When you stop replying to emails cold, they'll get it. (I realize that this might be tough if you give a shit at all, but I'd try to do it as best as you can.)

Spend the next few days with your wife and kids to remind yourself how much BigLaw really sucks and how much more to life there is, and then start applying to things in a week or so.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23755888)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 3:30 PM
Author: Hot curious mad-dog skullcap

How'd it go down, bro? Share with us before you hit the bottle.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23755999)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 3:45 PM
Author: mildly autistic fanboi



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23756066)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 4:20 PM
Author: cracking zombie-like puppy

Likeable characters, strong story arc, cliff-hanger.

Solid flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23756302)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 4:22 PM
Author: Balding hyperactive public bath

Nothing unbelievable about it though. Happens all the time. So a weird thing to flame about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23756315)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 4:24 PM
Author: cracking zombie-like puppy

That's why it worked. You idiots should take note.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23756329)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 4:28 PM
Author: Balding hyperactive public bath

Cool man, I'll make a flame thread that I took a dump just now when actually I haven't yet today! Man I am so devious.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23756345)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 4:33 PM
Author: Comical opaque water buffalo

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23756380)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 4:34 PM
Author: Comical opaque water buffalo

he saved $250k

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23756383)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 4:35 PM
Author: Balding hyperactive public bath

Hm, well he only had 50k debt and still has some. So not too unbelievable. Could be an inheritance or gifts in there too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23756393)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 8:45 PM
Author: duck-like lay

And wife worked for 3+ yrs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23757732)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 4:33 PM
Author: Comical opaque water buffalo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23756381)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 4:24 PM
Author: odious nofapping theatre

i want an update on this sikkk flaym

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23756321)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 8:44 PM
Author: duck-like lay

Wish it was flame bro it's my life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23757724)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 7:30 PM
Author: lascivious space travel guidebook

bbbbbump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23757266)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 7:57 PM
Author: tripping massive stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23757390)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 7:43 PM
Author: Bonkers Newt

Hey man, you don't have to answer to the firm anymore, but you still have to answer to us.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23757318)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 8:44 PM
Author: duck-like lay

Well it looks like 4 months

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23757719)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 8:46 PM
Author: out-of-control silver trump supporter

Tell us more

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23757738)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 8:47 PM
Author: duck-like lay

NO surprises. They started in on my performance / I cut them off and said "stop wasting all of our time. Lets cut to the chase"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23757750)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 8:48 PM
Author: duck-like lay

They offered 3, I said that was absurd given that its August and demanded 5

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23757754)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 8:49 PM
Author: out-of-control silver trump supporter

Lol FLAME

thanks for playing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23757760)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 8:50 PM
Author: duck-like lay

Bro, I wish this was flame. This is my fucking life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23757769)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 8:53 PM
Author: Comical opaque water buffalo

take a pic of something in your office

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23757803)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 8:46 PM
Author: Comical opaque water buffalo

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23757739)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 8:46 PM
Author: Onyx Vigorous Toilet Seat Church Building

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23757744)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 8:47 PM
Author: Balding hyperactive public bath

Wow not bad man. Congrats

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23757752)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 8:48 PM
Author: duck-like lay

I feel ok

Edit: but I am pretty bummed out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23757755)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 8:52 PM
Author: Balding hyperactive public bath

Just a typical, predictable thing man.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23757796)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 8:53 PM
Author: duck-like lay

Has to happen once I suppose

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23757805)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 8:52 PM
Author: Bonkers Newt

What did you do with the rest of the day.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23757799)



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Date: August 1st, 2013 4:56 PM
Author: duck-like lay

got drinks with a friend, came back, spammed resume to recruiters, went back out and got completely shitfaced

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23763059)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 8:53 PM
Author: Comical opaque water buffalo

sorry bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23757810)



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Date: July 31st, 2013 11:34 PM
Author: ruddy senate

to op bro (if not flame): really sorry to hear it. it sucks, but you seem like you have a good head on your shoulders. good luck landing on your feet.

General rant: this isn't stealthing. "Stealthing" came from the darkest hours of ITE and referred to a firm conducting a mass headcount-reducing layoff but doing it sneakily through completely BS performance reviews. Basically, stealthing is trying to pull a Latham (or should we call it pulling a Weil now?) while keeping your firm's name off of ATL. Laying people off because of performance or as part of the natural culling that happens in every firm to midlevels and seniors? That's not stealthing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23759176)



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Date: August 1st, 2013 5:01 PM
Author: Orchid Athletic Conference Native

(John Quinn)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23763077)



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Date: August 1st, 2013 5:02 PM
Author: duck-like lay

so the other assocs who are getting shitcanned along with me at this time (4 of whom I know personally) are not getting stealthed. it's just natural performance review canning?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23763081)



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Date: August 1st, 2013 5:11 PM
Author: Cocky tanning salon idiot

how is allen and overy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23763137)



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Date: August 1st, 2013 5:13 PM
Author: Effete Blathering Base Kitty

*was

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#23763162)



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Date: July 21st, 2020 1:36 PM
Author: brilliant indirect expression



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#40639774)



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Date: July 21st, 2020 3:59 PM
Author: Mewling self-centered abode juggernaut

JFC- I think I was the OP given the datestamps

Update: Joined another biglol shop end of November 13. Lasted there three more years until I burned out. Joined inhouse legal group at large company in 18.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#40640562)



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Date: July 21st, 2020 4:11 PM
Author: Abusive brethren

Update?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#40640621)



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Date: July 21st, 2020 4:13 PM
Author: Mewling self-centered abode juggernaut

see above

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#40640632)



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Date: July 21st, 2020 4:36 PM
Author: underhanded thriller goyim marketing idea

how's in house compare to biglaw in terms of demands on your time outside of normal M-F workday and pace of the day?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2324958&forum_id=2#40640764)



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Date: July 23rd, 2020 5:22 PM
Author: Mewling self-centered abode juggernaut

Day is intense- lots of stuff to handle as we are essentially an inhouse lawfirm. You are expected to be at your desk and working by 9am. Most people leave about 5:30 and the place is a ghost town by 6pm. Lunch is a big deal. My team gathers in a conf room at 12:30 sharp and you're expected to be there for a half hour. Mainly shoot the shit, sometimes talk work if team leader wants to.

NO weekend work. About once every 7 or 8 months, there's some type of fire drill that requires us to come in on Saturday. They are deeply apologetic.

all in all pretty fucking chill and 10X better than biglol

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