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NYC restaurants cutting staff hours in response to $15 minimum wage hike
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Date: October 29th, 2019 12:22 PM Author: primrose pit hissy fit https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nyc-restaurants-cut-staff-hours-to-cope-with-minimum-wage-hike-hitting-15/# (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39041915) |
Date: October 29th, 2019 12:23 PM Author: Canary Zippy Police Squad duh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39041922) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 12:23 PM Author: wild telephone Should be illegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39041923) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 12:27 PM Author: cerise step-uncle's house Is tipping still expected? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39041949) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:38 PM Author: buff comical field 30% now. Didn't you hear? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042322) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 12:28 PM Author: orange hateful faggot firefighter reading party Oh no! Scam restaurant owners have to pay workers wages for once. Hope these guys all go bust. Greedy cunts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39041959) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 12:29 PM Author: cerise step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39041965) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 12:29 PM Author: amber vibrant chapel filthpig Restaurants have literally no margin as it is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39041967) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 12:30 PM Author: Vengeful impressive ladyboy coldplay fan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39041974) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 12:31 PM Author: orange hateful faggot firefighter reading party fuck them and anyone perpetrating the fraud tipping system. workers wages are an owners expense, if that busts their margin, well maybe their restaurant sucks and should fail (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39041976) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 12:31 PM Author: Canary Zippy Police Squad I like the non tipping restaurant trend in NYC. Danny Meyer started it I think.
Marta, Manhatta, etc |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 12:32 PM Author: orange hateful faggot firefighter reading party yes that is where we should be going (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39041992) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 12:32 PM Author: Vengeful impressive ladyboy coldplay fan I appreciated this about Japan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39041994) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 12:33 PM Author: orange hateful faggot firefighter reading party japan also blows up the entire idea that you cant get good service without tipping (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042002) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 12:35 PM Author: Vengeful impressive ladyboy coldplay fan mfcr
But thats also a result of Japanese pride in their work.
Compare your average NYC subway worker to a Tokyo subway worker. |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 12:36 PM Author: orange hateful faggot firefighter reading party true (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042014) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 12:36 PM Author: Citrine Piazza yeah, big cultural differences at play (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042015) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:06 PM Author: Titillating aqua plaza “Cultural” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042157) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:11 PM Author: Citrine Piazza race and ethnicity is part of that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042188) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:12 PM Author: orange hateful faggot firefighter reading party it is cultural. youre not getting japanese service in other asian countries for the most part. culture matters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042192) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 12:35 PM Author: cerise step-uncle's house https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/american-tipping-system-makes-no-sense/600865/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042009) |
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Date: November 2nd, 2019 4:51 PM Author: Umber Know-it-all Legend Library couple chill Japanese places in NYC wont even take tips. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39062431) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 12:46 PM Author: Citrine Piazza i think there are too many restaurants and too much eating out in general. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042052) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 3:35 AM Author: beady-eyed background story Cr and the worst aspects of America’s entitlement culture come out in restaurant dining. It has to be cheap, there have to be a million options, and the staff has to fawn over the diners. Grow up and cook your own food. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045886) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:42 PM Author: buff comical field Tipping is a really stupid system, but at what minimum wage would you concede your argument becomes stupid?
$18?
$24?
$32?
$42?
$54?
$68? |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:44 PM Author: orange hateful faggot firefighter reading party at no level is the argument that minimum wage laws should apply equally to restaurants stupid.
minimum wage is a political issue that can be resolved through the usual methods but special treatment for restauranteurs to pass costs along to customers is bullshit |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 2:01 PM Author: buff comical field So, to be clear, you think a $500 minimum wage would be non-stupid? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042446) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 10:28 PM Author: orange hateful faggot firefighter reading party thats a completely different question and has nothing to do with my argument here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39044888) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 4:40 AM Author: Swashbuckling misunderstood codepig twinkling uncleanness then what is your argument as it relates to a $15 minimum wage in particular (the topic of this article), versus a $11 minimum wage, versus a $25 minimum wage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045930) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 4:46 AM Author: orange hateful faggot firefighter reading party my argument is whatever the minimum wage is, it should apply to restaurants too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045938) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 5:13 AM Author: Crimson Gas Station Round Eye in that case the answer is just the owner of a restaurant to ban tipping and increase prices to offset wage increase, but honestly that arrangement fucks over the waiter more than anyone else. don't think you realize that this is the wealthy elitist lawyer argument, not the progressive pro-labor one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045959) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 2:07 PM Author: Crystalline cuckoldry you seem really really stupid.
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Date: October 29th, 2019 2:07 PM Author: heady turquoise school blood rage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042479) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 2:28 PM Author: crusty grizzly candlestick maker abode (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042557) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:07 PM Author: Sticky Swollen Mad Cow Disease cr where to begin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045086) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:22 PM Author: orange hateful faggot firefighter reading party why dont you try (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045160) |
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Date: November 2nd, 2019 4:48 PM Author: Sticky Swollen Mad Cow Disease (guy who thinks employers took a hit when FDR made them contribute 1/2 of workers' social security taxes) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39062420) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 12:30 PM Author: Abusive costumed house rigor Nah they will just make tipped waiters do the work instead of keep their jobs
Worse service from overextended waiters getting fewer tables |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 12:31 PM Author: crusty grizzly candlestick maker abode Jon Bloostein operates six New York City restaurants that employ between 50 and 110 people each. ... "We lost control of our largest controllable expense," he told CBS MoneyWatch. "So in order to live with that and stay in business, we're cutting hours." ... "These fewer hours add up to a lot of money in restaurants," he said. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39041978) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:10 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal University Pocket Flask (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042179) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:49 PM Author: greedy fishy shrine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042369) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 2:15 PM Author: Federal space kitty this is one area that a huge min wage hike didn't seem reasonable to me. like 90% of restaurants already fail. i don't think the owners of most places are rolling in it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042518) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 10:33 PM Author: spruce stirring public bath mood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39044916) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 8:35 AM Author: Disgusting judgmental principal's office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39046299) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 12:31 PM Author: Cowardly mustard rigpig I think more and more places except for the highest of the high-end will just move to a counter/self-service/"gastropub" model. Paying someone to carry your food to you and refill your drinks really isn't a very efficient thing for anyone, and probably should die out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39041982) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 12:33 PM Author: crusty grizzly candlestick maker abode We should all stop "dining out." We should all be working from 9 to 9, ordering Seamless, and eating alone in our cubicles. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39041998) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 12:57 PM Author: curious apoplectic stag film therapy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042103) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:14 PM Author: Adventurous submissive goal in life locale (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042204) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:34 PM Author: dashing misanthropic bawdyhouse bbw I smell curry here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042296) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:49 PM Author: greedy fishy shrine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042374) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 3:30 PM Author: Cowardly mustard rigpig Going to "restaurants" is 95% GC flame at this point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042847) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 10:32 PM Author: very tactful contagious cumskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39044910) |
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Date: November 2nd, 2019 5:13 PM Author: honey-headed irradiated orchestra pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39062497) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 12:44 PM Author: primrose pit hissy fit And then people will be guilt shamed into tipping at the counter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042044) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:13 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal University Pocket Flask only if you're a pussy. I will never tip a fucking cent on those scampads, fuck those kikes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042202) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 3:27 PM Author: Cowardly mustard rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042834) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 3:28 PM Author: Citrine Piazza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042838) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:13 PM Author: Big Sanctuary Lettuce with iPad offering you the choice of:
[21% | 25% | 29% | 34%]
[Solve the captcha to not leave a tip.] |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:43 PM Author: buff comical field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042348) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:46 PM Author: chrome mexican ratface (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042358) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 2:12 PM Author: crusty grizzly candlestick maker abode *[25% | 50% | 100% | 200%] (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042498) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 10:32 PM Author: very tactful contagious cumskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39044914) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:54 PM Author: wild telephone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045339) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:13 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal University Pocket Flask so now we should be happy to pay $20+ for some shitty GC sandwich off a Sysco truck and we have to get up to order it, pick it up, bus our own table, etc... this is how the poorest segment of society lived 50-100 years ago and now this is how it is for the UMC? This is fucking bullshit, modern life is a hellscape. Pay more and more and more and get less and less and less. The problem is idiot millennial shitbags see no problem with this, so it continues. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042198) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 2:12 PM Author: crusty grizzly candlestick maker abode well, it's still the case that this chink slop shit is available only to UMC, so you're still living in your rareified stratified society above the unscrubbed masses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042504) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 2:26 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal University Pocket Flask who cares if it's better than what proles have if it's objectively shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042552) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:50 PM Author: greedy fishy shrine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042381) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:02 PM Author: Laughsome toaster "Critics would have you believe that upping the minimum wage in restaurants will lead to massive layoffs and closures. But since raising the minimum wage to $15 per hour nearly a year ago, the restaurant industry in New York City has thrived"
Huh.
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:03 PM Author: orange hateful faggot firefighter reading party SIR! Are you questioning the integrity of (((Jon Bloonstein)))? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042146) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:50 PM Author: greedy fishy shrine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042385) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 10:33 PM Author: very tactful contagious cumskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39044917) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:10 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal University Pocket Flask get read for a flood of (((articles))) about how you're now Hitler if you don't tip 40% (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042183) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:12 PM Author: black fragrant hospital Not paying service works minimum wage is the reason why our cities are filled with immigrants now. Lol @ finding citizens willing to work for the shit pay offered to busboys/cleaners/deliverymen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042189) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:15 PM Author: orange hateful faggot firefighter reading party (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042209) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:45 PM Author: buff comical field In a world of low immigration, those jobs still get done. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042355) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:01 PM Author: Aggressive gunner What world is that? Show me bizarroworld NYC/LA/SF please you counterfactual faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045051) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 4:55 AM Author: buff comical field Ever been to a region with a bunch of whites natives?
What about a couple decades ago when there was an even higher portion?
Those are hardly counterfactuals, they prove my point, and they're even more restrictive than your immigration-based claim. |
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Date: October 31st, 2019 8:05 AM Author: exciting corner Enjoy your cold shitty pizza delivered late by your dumbest neighbor’s stoned 17-year-old son. He can just sleep through chemistry class tomorrow. He doesn’t need to know about that, he’s got a good job delivering pizzas and his own car. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39051630) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:47 PM Author: galvanic macaca lodge how much should busboys get paid? Those jobs used to be done by teens (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042362) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:47 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal University Pocket Flask Then: Teens, Now: "Teens" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042364) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:53 PM Author: black fragrant hospital Those jobs routinely get done by illegals making almost nothing who live off of tip outs from waiters/waitresses. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042410) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:16 PM Author: carmine infuriating pozpig dragon i'm done tipping and going to establishments with one of those dumb tip-me-after-u-order ipads (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042216) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:23 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal University Pocket Flask would be 180 if everyone stopped tipping 100%, let these service industry faggots go homeless or else make their bosses pay them a living wage. Fuck passing the expense on to us on top of the overpriced GC slop they serve us. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042243) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:25 PM Author: cerise step-uncle's house "well i waited tables!! it's a hard job and I am ok with giving them a little something extra. they deserve it!"
overall networth: $-200,000
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:26 PM Author: orange hateful faggot firefighter reading party (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042255) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:48 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal University Pocket Flask Fuck waiters and other idiot faggots in the service industry. You want a living wage? Get a better job or make your boss pay you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042366) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 2:24 PM Author: crusty grizzly candlestick maker abode I used to party too! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042550) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 3:29 PM Author: Cowardly mustard rigpig I've never tipped once on those things and don't plan to start. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042840) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 3:30 PM Author: Buck-toothed abnormal fat ankles church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042848) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:49 PM Author: azure irate private investor Fuck them. Dining out is almost complete flame now. You almost feel sorry for the restaurant because they are so desperate to rip off their customers that the employers reek of poverty worse than their staff or the proles still dumb enough to think dining out is fancy. If they all go bankrupt, good. It's obscene that the school system and immigration system and healthcare system and welfare system all have to be stretched to the breaking point because there are so many restaurants catering to shrews tastelessly gobbling down overpriced crap. There should be a massive movement to stop millennials from dining out altogether. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042370) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:49 PM Author: Citrine Piazza cr
also, ask any lib about the benefits of immigration and legit 100% of them will mention ethnic restaurants. it's insane. |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 3:37 AM Author: beady-eyed background story (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045889) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:51 PM Author: greedy fishy shrine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042387) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:52 PM Author: wild telephone 1800000 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042399) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 1:52 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal University Pocket Flask terrible for the American waistline as well. I imagine people wouldn't be such disgusting slovenly piles of shit if they had to cook all their own meals. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042400) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 3:29 PM Author: Cowardly mustard rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39042842) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 6:13 PM Author: Deep light whorehouse place of business the only restaurants who are pissed are the shitty ones whose servers weren't making enough to cover the tip credit for the extra bullshit hours at the beginning and end of a shift. good restaurants are still having a very hard time finding good servers, and those servers make $30+/hr and $300 on a Saturday. Very counterintuitive but I wouldn't expect anyone here to know the first thing about the industry
Anyone who says something like "good! It's about time the owners paid their workers" is legit dumb re: business and doesn't understand the first thing about variable cost or how important cash flow is for these places. Most restaurants are perpetually 3 months from closing bc of the average total cost.
I understand the critique about tipping and dining out and no minds will be be changed discussing it
and p.s. discontinuing the peg between min wage and inflation in '03 or whatever was fucking criminal and stop acting like you're a populist if you disagree with that
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Date: October 29th, 2019 6:20 PM Author: azure irate private investor theyre perpetually three months from closing because they never should have existed in the first place (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39043583) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 6:28 PM Author: Deep light whorehouse place of business yeah a lot of them suck and have shit food, shit atmosphere, and shit service
restaurantauring in NYC is also one of the most competitive, cutthroat industries. Even good ones go under |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 6:30 PM Author: azure irate private investor and they should go under. there are too many. sorry if you cant make money in an insanely oversaturated industry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39043642) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 6:47 PM Author: Deep light whorehouse place of business ya it's probably the quickest way to burn $600k and a lot of them have no idea what they're doing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39043725) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 10:29 PM Author: orange hateful faggot firefighter reading party (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39044897) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 10:31 PM Author: orange hateful faggot firefighter reading party cash flow and variable cost is an excuse for restaurants to get special dispensation to pass the burden of compensating employees onto customers? im not convinced (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39044906) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:31 PM Author: Deep light whorehouse place of business in what system is the customer not paying for labor
why does ever place who tries the no-tip model fail miserably |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:35 PM Author: orange hateful faggot firefighter reading party pretty much every other country has restaurants survive without tipping being the main source of compensation for labor. the only reason it doesnt work in the us is the entire concept is so engrained in society. there is no magic in restaurants generally that should require restaurants to be allowed to pay less than minimum wage and expect tipping to pick up the slack (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045237) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:47 PM Author: Deep light whorehouse place of business in other countries they charge you for tap water, service sucks, and they drive donkeys to work
if prices were the same (ie you ban tips and raise menu prices), customers would prefer the tipping model bc it gives them more power and there is an implicit agreement between the server and guest. If you prefer an iPad at your table I get it. Most people don't and this has been proven time and time again
The major business conflict here is scheduling and staffing. It's rent >>> staffing >>>>>>>>>> yelp reviews and everything else |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:49 PM Author: orange hateful faggot firefighter reading party Service is generally fine in other countries.
If you ask people in non typing countries, they absolutely do not want to switch to a tipping system and they get furious at foreigners who come in and try to bring in tipping norms |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:55 PM Author: Deep light whorehouse place of business ok domestic consumers have difference tastes than foreign consumers when it comes to eating out
nowhere in your argument are you presenting evidence as to why one system is better for the consumer or cheaper or whatever.
you don't seem to get tipping for service and think the service at Denny's and the The Mark is the same because they are both bringing you a plate |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 2:01 AM Author: orange hateful faggot firefighter reading party no tipping is better because you are presented will the real prices when the menu is presented, there is no weird tension with the server about tipping expectations and the discussion regarding fair compensation can be had directly with the employer rather than through some archaic system of social norms and expectations.
'tipping for service' is an outdated concept, in reality tipping is a cold hard expectation and no one will be 'understanding' if you dock your tip below the accepted standards because of your perception of 'service'. the amount of the tip depends more on the type of person being served than on the actual service provided. the only real difference is a sort of overzealousness in american servers in trying to sell you more product to up their pay. some people find this off putting, but perhaps this is your point about 'different tastes'.
i dont really think ive said anywhere that service at denny's and an upscale place is the same. but along the same lines, service at a three michelin star restaurant in singapore or sydney is not worse than the similar restaurant in nyc, even though tipping expectations are wildly different. there are ways to ensure good service outside of enforcing an expectation on the customer to tip |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 2:34 AM Author: Deep light whorehouse place of business No one is going to a restaurant and is shocked that the prices don't include tip and tax
Again, I don't see a single point about how no-tipping is better, besides that it's a cultural norm in places abroad (and service is worse, as people ITT have mentioned). I've listed quite a few to defend tipping
You don't like tipping because you feel compelled to leave a tip when you eat, despite the quality of service. This offends you, I get it. But believe me, lots of people leave "substandard" tips when waiters (or cooks) fuck up. Some people also tip generously if they feel the service went above and beyond the norm. And most people tip the same everytime they go out an accept it as part of dining out. They go to nice restaurants and expect nice service and they compensate the server accordingly. Just like why they are okay paying more for the same piece of chicken
Your criticism is closer to a rant on Curb Your Enthusiasm than a takedown of the restaurant industry. Its autistic and the fact you feel tension with the server speaks to that |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 3:08 AM Author: orange hateful faggot firefighter reading party You seem personally offended because you've made a living off of tips. Ex-servers are always way too emotional in these conversations. You've claimed multiple times here that you understand the critiques of tipping and even just now that 'you get' that people don't like being compelled to pay a tip and to stand in the shoes of the waiters employer, yet in the same breath you're calling me autistic. It doesn't add up.
Price transparency is useful. Yes, people understand there is tax and tip when they go out, but psychologically it is different when you see a $10 item on the menu even if you think it through the real cost will be more like $14. It has an effect on customer behavior and restauranteurs know this. You're just brushing this aside, but I think in almost every context consumers are better off seeing the price they have to pay up front rather than having to do calculations to find the 'true price'.
The so-called benefit to the tipping system does not outweigh this. Service isn't always worse in other places where tipping is not the norm. In Japan, tipping is considered an insult and the service is almost universally better than in the US. Other countries may vary up or down, but this is more due to cultural considerations than tipping of the lack thereof. You even agree that most people just tip what they believe to be the customary amount and accept it as part of eating out. That suggests to me that tipping is mostly not linked to service quality and provides little incentive to improve service. In many non-tipping countries, people do provide a little extra (though nowhere close to 20%) for exceptional service, though it is not an expectation. I don't see how this is any different in terms of motivating factors for service.
My intention is not to "takedown the restaurant industry", but rather to argue that the employer-employee relationship should be where compensation is discussed and agreed. You claim it's 'autistic' to claim there is tension in the server-customer relationship, but servers are notorious for ranting about inadequate tips and shitting on customers for this reason. On the other hand, extremely frugal customers may keep a running note of errors and deduct tips based on perceived slights. That seems like real tension to me. It would be better off for servers to have certainty in what they will be paid and customers to be presented with the all-in cost for the items they are ordering so everyone is on the same page. |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 3:33 AM Author: Deep light whorehouse place of business I get the critique insofar that it's a shallow rant about a cultural phenomenon with little to no understanding about about why it exists, or the HUGE factors that perpetuate it - which we haven't even touched on. You are just presenting autistic mumbo jumbo.
The price transparency argument is complete horseshit and I won't even entertain it. We aren't talking about and AirBnB cleaning fee or TicketMaster service charge.
In any discussion we have about the benefits of the tipping system, you will pivot to how in other places they do things differently, without any explanation as to why one way is better than the other.
The only point you're making is you dislike the tipping system out of concern for the employee. I find that hard to believe, when you literally debating this with an ex-employee and I am telling you that employees prefer this system -- and I'm pretty confident you know this too. I am also going out of my way to mention why owners and customers prefer it as well.
You are literally internalizing the Facebook posts of some Chili's waiter in Boise to the point where you feel uncomfortable talking to some 24-year-old server in Brooklyn when ordering a hamburger. This comes down to your distaste for cultural norms in the US, interacting with other humans, and implicit societal expectations. Its autistic. |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 3:37 AM Author: orange hateful faggot firefighter reading party You are being ridiculous. "I won't entertain" an argument I disagree with. Everyone that disagrees with me is autistic! The huge factors the perpetrate the system are inertia, and nothing you have said is convincing otherwise. Your shallow insults don't really move the needle on this. You are making a lot of claims about what people prefer without evidence, and while being faced with counterexamples where people actually prefer and thrive under a different system. It's useless to discuss this with you, you've made up your mind and anyone who disagrees is autistic! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045888) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 3:45 AM Author: Deep light whorehouse place of business Okay, here:
No one is surprised that the price on a menu doesn't include the tip.
Servers and restaurants benefit, and prefer, the tipping system.
People in America also prefer the tipping system.
What do you want to argue? You aren't making a point besides that Japan has a better business culture than the US.
I would actually love to argue about why I think tipping in restaurants makes sense, why it's better for both owners and employees, why Americans like to dissociate the product and labor costs, but you aren't arguing any of that.
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Date: October 30th, 2019 3:47 AM Author: cerise step-uncle's house I am sot sure "People in America also prefer the tipping system." You are making cliched old arguments that waiters have spouted for years. People in America are GUILTED into tipping. We do it because we are supposed to. I have never not tipped for poor service. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045894) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 3:57 AM Author: Deep light whorehouse place of business Then you aren't taking advantage of the system. In other places, you would be forced to pay the server the same for bad service. Here, you have the option to pay less. How is that bad?
People have tried the no-tip model in the US and all have failed miserably, because the customers hate it.
The GUILT shit is autistic. |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 4:14 AM Author: orange hateful faggot firefighter reading party lol, so actually paying attention to human relationships and expected cultural norms is "autistic", but no tipping someone based on perceived slights isn't? in reality, no one other than the DBGs of the world and clueless foreigners is no tipping people in american restaurants. the 'option' to pay less is illusory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045913) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 4:09 AM Author: orange hateful faggot firefighter reading party No one is surprised that a product they buy doesn't include tax at the store either. That doesn't mean people aren't better off having the actual price reflected than the price before tax on the sticker. This is compounded in the restaurant situation since the portion of the bill not reflected on the menu price is larger. This has a psychological impact on consumers. I think if you polled people, you would find that they would like to have their total cost made clear up front if given the choice rather than argue whether to tip pre/post tax or the same on food and wine.
Servers prefer the tipping system because they make more money and can evade taxes. Restaurants prefer tipping because they have lower expenses and can reflect lower prices on the menu, which has a psychological impact on consumers as mentioned above.However, it seems consumer do not prefer tipping. A plurality would prefer servers to be paid higher wages instead of tips based on one poll, which seems more convincing than your anecdotal evidence.
I am arguing the tipping system sucks and workers should be paid fairly by employers rather than passing the decision to consumers. I think I've been clear about this. Japan is only one example. I point to other non-tipping cultures to counter your belief that service is demonstrably worse without tipping. This has not been my experience, and it is illustrative that people who have grown up with a non-tipping norm aren't clamoring to introduce tipping in their own countries after experiencing the american system. You're free to disagree, but I'm not clear why you are throwing around insults because I don't agree with your take on this.
I don't think Americans "like" to dissociate product and labor costs, its just the way it is, and change is difficult because if a restaurant tries to fight it alone, it just appears to have higher prices based on the menu, which is difficult in a competitive environment. So it's inertia, not tipping being "better" that perpetrates the system.
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Date: October 30th, 2019 4:18 AM Author: Deep light whorehouse place of business Customers value service and want to be in control over how much they pay for it. There is no guarantee for the quality of service when they look at a menu. They like being able to say "Jake, you did a good job here's $6 right from my pocket."
I don't care about one survey (of course people will answer that way), if it was so popular, then the 300 restaurants who have tried no-tipping wouldn't be closed right now. And that's probably the biggest indictment of your argument. This comes down to Americans having different preferences, and you not being on board with them. |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 4:23 AM Author: orange hateful faggot firefighter reading party You are just making claims based on your own preferences, without evidence. It's not convincing. In any event, as I've already mentioned, in most countries where server pay is considered the burden of the employer (crazy concept!), people will occasionally leave an extra couple bucks for Jake if they really feel he went above and beyond. But it's based on genuine appreciation, not some arcane societal construct. This seems objectively better to me.
I've already addressed the problems with implementing no-tipping policies in a society where every competitor uses tipping. The main problem is that menu prices matter, regardless if one includes service and the other doesn't. It actually cuts against your argument that "people don't care if the prices in the menu reflect actual cost". It's actually a big deal. |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 4:40 AM Author: Deep light whorehouse place of business bro I've presented a massive piece of evidence: all of the restaurants that failed the no tip policy
This really comes down to american customers wanting to feel like a boss when they go out to eat and some random tax laws
I really don't buy the menu shock argument, nor do I buy your concern for employee-employer relations. You aren't even arguing that no-tipping is better because there would be lower prices for customers. Your just arguing about who's job it is to cut the money pie
We seem to both be coming to the conclusion that people in other places have their own system, and it works for them
Good sparring tho |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 4:41 AM Author: cerise step-uncle's house Have you provided a link for this massive piece of evidence? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045933) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 4:42 AM Author: orange hateful faggot firefighter reading party You'll probably just blow this off too, but actual research shows that people do perceive restaurants with gratuity included to be more expensive than without, and this affects consumer behavior:
"Lynn says that a customer who routinely tips fifteen per cent will see a gratuity-included restaurant as more expensive than a traditional restaurant with menu prices fifteen per cent lower. “In fact, a customer who routinely tips twenty per cent”—making her total bill higher than the gratuity-included alternative—“will still view the no-tipping restaurant as more expensive,” Lynn told me."
To me, this is clearly the reason why no tipping fails in the US. You need to burn the whole system down or nothing will change. I don't particularly want to feel like a server's boss when I'm at a restaurant, and I doubt I'm alone in this.
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Date: October 30th, 2019 4:57 AM Author: Deep light whorehouse place of business I'm not brushing it off, but just saying there's a reason the system has pervaded despite what these academic studies and think-pieces say. We've disrupted taxis, renting, Telecom etc overnight and this has stuck for a reason. I think you are getting to the point that customers are dumb and probably don't act in their self interest when eating out
It would have to start from the top imo. Everyone copies the the top restaurants. Then you would have to go do a PSA to tell every Becky that they don't need to feel sorry for that Vietnamesse server at the local Chinese restaurant and leave them extra money. |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 6:48 AM Author: alcoholic meetinghouse “Waiters should be paid fairly!!” said the guy who knows the fair wage amount.
You’re basically arguing waiters should take a yuge pay cut (nobody pays taxes on their cash tips) and will provide equivalent service when their incentive is stripped.
And no, service in foreign countries is hit or miss. Ireland just automatically charges you a 15% tip and the service is garbage. |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 6:50 AM Author: orange hateful faggot firefighter reading party you're out your depth here. i'm advocating waiters to agree wages with their employers. what exactly is your objection to that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39046093) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 6:55 AM Author: alcoholic meetinghouse They already do and your argument implies they aren’t paid fairly which implies the owner is reaping outsized profits in an industry known for slim margins and routine business failures. It is you who are out of your depth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39046096) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 7:17 AM Author: orange hateful faggot firefighter reading party this is literally the opposite of what happens. you are truly an idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39046130) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 12:50 AM Author: Laughsome toaster It's fine as in you still get your food and drinks but tbh service is way better in the US. Almost too good (can get annoying having someone hover over you all the time). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045543) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 2:02 AM Author: orange hateful faggot firefighter reading party in my experience, its more cultural. many non tipping countries have fine service, and almost all do when it comes to top tier restaurants.
you're right that there is less overzealousness than in the us, but i dont think thats a bad thing |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 3:45 AM Author: cerise step-uncle's house Not true https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/american-tipping-system-makes-no-sense/600865/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045892) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 4:09 AM Author: Deep light whorehouse place of business Comparing restaurant service to Uber is retarded and I'll be the first one to tell you that tipping for a comoddity like an Uber or Seamless delivery of countertop coffee is horrible. In fact, I think that the pervasion of tipping into these businesses has soured public perception quite a bit. Kalanicl was right, but the comparisson to eating out is flawed.
When people take an Uber, they don't want the driver to talk to them. When people eat out, they want the server to enthusiatically answer questions, recommend items, appear at the perfect time, get their wife another glass of wine, say something funny, etc etc. It's a whole song and dance and at the base of it is the customer feeling like a big shot and in control. It's an experience, and how many of us have had this experience ruined by bad service? On the other hand, how many of us brag about going to their favorite bar and getting drinks comped and joking with the bartender? I can't even remember the last time I had a good Uber driver (although I can name a bad one from six months ago).
I get the argument that dining out is complete flame -- I actually don't particularly enjoy it. You could make the same meal at home, etc. But the fact of the matter is a lot of people here like dining out because of the "experience" and tipping id part of that. |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 4:39 AM Author: cerise step-uncle's house I don't particularly care for any of these things. When i eat out I don't want the server to talk to me more than is necessary. Never cared for server recommendations either which is almost always the second most expensive item on the menu. I also don't care about feeling like a big shot. All I want is to have a frictionless meal. I want the waiter to do his job (take order, bring the meal) and nothing more. And I shouldn't have to pay extra for someone to do that job. It's not a hard job.
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Date: October 30th, 2019 4:43 AM Author: Deep light whorehouse place of business Me too bro, but unfortunately a lot of people like talking to other people
It is very true that the best service is the service you don't notice. Like reffing a game |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 4:40 AM Author: Aromatic people who are hurt hell "When people eat out, they want the server to enthusiatically answer questions, recommend items, appear at the perfect time, get their wife another glass of wine, say something funny, etc etc. It's a whole song and dance and at the base of it is the customer feeling like a big shot and in control."
stuffwhitepeoplelike levels are out of control ITT right now holy shit |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 5:02 AM Author: Deep light whorehouse place of business white girls love this shit the most you should know that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045945) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 4:32 AM Author: Aromatic people who are hurt hell in other countries they charge you for tap water
wrong. water is free
service sucks
wrong again. service in the first world > your shit american third world service
they drive donkeys to work
wrong a third time.
lol@ this fucking dummy |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 4:40 AM Author: cerise step-uncle's house He is a former waiter. That demographic is the most unhinged about this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045928) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 4:41 AM Author: Aromatic people who are hurt hell it all makes sense now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045932) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 4:50 AM Author: Deep light whorehouse place of business brother I'm pretty sure when you go out to eat you cook your own food on a little grill in the middle of the table
and I'm not 100% sure they don't ride donkeys in Korea judging by some of the girls you fuck
plz exit my subthread |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 4:58 AM Author: Aromatic people who are hurt hell lol@ this dummy thinking korean bbq is the only food we eat
lol@ this dummy thinking there arent korean bbq joints that dont have waiters who grill your food for you (which all the high-end bbq places do, btw, you fucking moron)
oh u mad@ my mustang SUPERCAR
lets face it, youre apparently an ex-waiter yourself and super pissed that people rightly find tipping to be barbaric and completely unnecessary
cold nigga truth. |
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Date: October 31st, 2019 8:24 AM Author: very tactful contagious cumskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39051653) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:31 PM Author: alcoholic meetinghouse You’re an idiot though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045215) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:35 PM Author: orange hateful faggot firefighter reading party wow great point as always dude (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045240) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 3:44 AM Author: cerise step-uncle's house Actually, it's you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045891) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:07 PM Author: Twisted Location Personal Credit Line 30 an hour with tips included, or 30 an hour flat wage? no fucking way a server makes 30 an hour.
the 300 on a saturday in tip money i can understand, for fancy restaurants, not the cheap ones. cheap ones is more like 150. |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:27 PM Author: Deep light whorehouse place of business with tips. All restaurants pay the same, the bare minimum, hourly rate to FOH staff
Any good servers will expect to make a minimum of $150/night post-tax (and that's on the low end). If they don't, they leave. This is MFH tho
Quality of restaurant doesn't matter that much once you get to a certain threshold. Most servers actually don't like "fine dining" for a variety of reasons
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:29 PM Author: Twisted Location Personal Credit Line thanks. i didnt realize servers make 300 on a saturday. if you take their tips away they would starve and freeze. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045199) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:37 PM Author: Deep light whorehouse place of business local drug sales would definitely go down (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045253) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:49 PM Author: Twisted Location Personal Credit Line restaurant workers are notorious degenerates, i know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045306) |
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Date: October 29th, 2019 11:58 PM Author: Deep light whorehouse place of business they make the best restaurant employees because they have erratic schedules, are personable, and always need money. And nobody wants to go out on Saturday night and be served by a marine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045355) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 3:40 AM Author: beady-eyed background story One of the open “secrets” is that a lot of the waiters and waitresses like the all-cash compensation system. its Fraud and Lies all the way down (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045890) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 4:10 AM Author: Deep light whorehouse place of business no shit. who doesn't like being paid in cash every night besides the government (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045912) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 4:08 AM Author: beady-eyed background story Tipping is irreconcilable with a liberal (broad sense) and technocratic culture because it can’t be measured and controlled. It’s a relic of an older and more informal economy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045908) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 4:34 AM Author: Aromatic people who are hurt hell stuffwhitepeoplelike: (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045921) |
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Date: April 9th, 2024 5:09 AM Author: Aromatic people who are hurt hell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#47567229) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 4:35 AM Author: Swashbuckling misunderstood codepig twinkling uncleanness stunning (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045922) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 5:12 AM Author: smoky mewling trust fund Libs, ur response? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39045958) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 7:07 AM Author: godawful state At a busy restaurant in NYC, a server could expect to average $200 in tips for a six hour shift. Add in the $15/hour salary and they're averaging $48/hour.
An associate at a small shitlaw NYC insurance defense or immigration firm may make $75k to billl 2,000 hours. That's $37/hour for 2,000 billables and likely $34 or $35 when you look at actual hours worked.
Why would anyone with a TTT law degree work in such a firm when they could be a waiter and never have to check work email or deal with awful law? |
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Date: October 31st, 2019 8:22 AM Author: very tactful contagious cumskin shitlaw’s the worst (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39051651) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 8:35 AM Author: black fragrant hospital It's not "tipping" when anyone who doesn't do it is considered an inconsiderate cheapskate. At this point you're just paying a 20% fee, subsidizing the restaurants. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#39046301) |
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Date: October 30th, 2019 9:44 AM Author: Startled mentally impaired senate eliminating tipping and paying waiters $15/hr or more would lead to both shitty service and higher restaurant prices and would cause more restaurants to fail.
as much as everyone hates tipping culture and service industry proles, the fact that it exists coupled with the fact that waiters are extremely stupid lets everyone else take advantage of those idiots.
case in point - the johnny knoxville guy above saying how waiters at some nice place "make $300 on a saturday" instead of saying how they make on average $XX an hour or $XX,XXX per year. everyone who has ever worked for tips does this shit where they take the best possible outcome and act like it's always the case. |
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Date: November 3rd, 2019 11:56 AM Author: carmine infuriating pozpig dragon try traveling to other countries and check out the service there
especially japan or south korea
every white paper has shown that eliminating tipping is a win/win and gets rid of shitty restaurants that require subsidization
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Date: October 31st, 2019 8:28 AM Author: Charismatic address bill at restaurant A says $150 for food, no tip required bill at restaurant B says $75 for food, $75 tip required
xoxo would be much angier about A than B, all else being equal. seems irrational to focus on just one portion of the overall bill |
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Date: May 11th, 2023 1:35 AM Author: Cowardly mustard rigpig Just do B and tip $20 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#46297610) |
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Date: May 11th, 2023 12:20 AM Author: Aromatic people who are hurt hell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#46297407) |
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Date: May 11th, 2023 1:03 AM Author: primrose pit hissy fit Update? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4372272&forum_id=2#46297535) |