Date: October 29th, 2010 2:44 AM Author: very tactful idea he suggested
No shit. U can outsource anything. Real men know how to do this shit/ don't like others fucking with their shit. U date black men though, not trying to be racist, but I have never met a black dude with any of the skills listed here.
Date: October 29th, 2010 3:05 AM Author: very tactful idea he suggested
Yah tard, going to work outside of the house is always blue collar. U shouldn't always be gone, but always being home will annoy the shit out of a woman
Date: October 29th, 2010 2:50 AM Author: Hairless brass sound barrier juggernaut
no you dumb bitch watch it again. if you let it go and the woman KEEPS BRINGING THAT SHIT UP after you tell her the conversation is over, and she gets in your face, that's when you slap.
Date: October 29th, 2010 2:54 AM Author: Hairless brass sound barrier juggernaut
if the man concedes (like a gentleman) but the bitch still wants to talk about it and shove it in his face, there is absolutely nothing wrong with giving her a firm slap.
Date: October 29th, 2010 2:51 AM Author: At-the-ready sweet tailpipe
I don't agree with use of force, but I do agree that women can sometimes be stubborn when talking to men. I've seen more women do this when speaking with men than vice versa. It's the man's role to stop the woman from continuing on this train of thought. But he should not hit her.
Date: October 29th, 2010 3:08 AM Author: At-the-ready sweet tailpipe
Yes, but I've seen women do it more often than men so controlling this kind of behavior is probably more important for a man than a woman. I've never dealt with a talky man who won't shut up even though I've conceded the argument to him (with XO as an exception, of course).
Date: October 29th, 2010 2:40 AM Author: At-the-ready sweet tailpipe
I'll second this. It's important that a guy knows how to tactfully handle a woman whose emotions are getting the better of her, or a woman who is behaving out of line in any way.
Date: October 29th, 2010 2:45 AM Author: Turquoise athletic conference french chef
i guess the word choice is a joke. But yeah, calming down someone who is upset. I think this is a skill that women should have too (and that most women are naturally better at)
That said, I'm not happy with the idea of a woman "acting out of line." It's not like it's the man's place to control her and make her act right. They're equals.
Date: October 29th, 2010 2:49 AM Author: At-the-ready sweet tailpipe
Men are better at leadership than women. Women are better at nurturing than men. Both roles require calming down irate people.
I do think it's the man's place to control a woman and make her act right. The man is the one who is making the ultimate sacrifice by becoming monogamous and committing himself to a woman. Submitting to the man's authority is the least a woman can do in return. But maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree on the gender roles point and I'm fine with that. Just hope your fiance is on the same page as you.
Date: October 29th, 2010 2:53 AM Author: At-the-ready sweet tailpipe
I'm not saying that your concept of gender roles is wrong or that people shouldn't view the sexes as equal. I think there is a time and place to view the sexes as equal (such as in the workplace) and a place where the sexes should not be treated equal (in sports competitions).
In relationships between two people of the opposite sex you cannot treat the sexes as equal since both will bring different strengths to the table. Men and woman are equally *valuable* but they are not identical.
Date: October 29th, 2010 3:11 AM Author: Turquoise athletic conference french chef
Suppose I'm a teacher. I've got ten fifth grade girls, and ten fifth grade boys.
It's well documented that girls tend to learn better and concentrate better when the thermostat is set at 71-72 degrees, while boys tend feel more comfortable at 68-69 degrees.
So I look at these kids, and it turns out to be true. 7 of the girls like it warmer, while 3 of them like it cooler. 6 of the boys like it cooler, while 4 like it warmer.
Now, you might consider these girls who like it cooler to be less "girly" than the others, and the boys who like it warmer to be going against the grain and be less masculine than the others. Fair enough right?
Okay, so next: I assign an art project. And according to studies, little girls and little boys approach this differently. Girls like hues - pastels, aquas, rich maroonish reds, purples. Boys like basic colors - blacks, greys, firetruck red, green, blue, orange. Girls show abstraction through relationships - how the different things in their picture relate to one another. Boys like to focus on single objects - "project" their identity on singular, physical objects.
So I check out what the kids drew, and the hypothesis looks right. Six of my girls drew pictures with feminine qualities, and four were more on the boyish side. Seven of my boys had boyish pictures, and 3 of them went with relationships and hues in their pictures.
Okay, so I have a few girls on the masculine side, and a few boys on the girlish side, right?
No. Because the kids who went against the grain in each of the situations are DIFFERENT KIDS. It's not like there are just a few kids who are against the grain - if you take the
endless differences between the sexes and apply them to one person, a person will go with their gender on slightly more than half of those characteristics, but not all. But if they are boxed into always acting like their gender, there will ALWAYS be situations in which that person isn't reaching his/her potential or is being alienated.
This is why we don't group all the girls together and teach them girl things and then group all the boys together and teach them boy things. There will ALWAYS be someone alienated, and it will always be different people. The only credited approach for these people to feel at home and accepted and reach their potential is always take the pluralistic approach, and too allow them to do whatever the fuck they want without dropping labels on it. You have all these rules for how women should act and how men should act, and I just can't imagine walking through life that way without inevitable being incredibly stifled or unnatural - even if you're the girliest girl on earth, there will be part of you that aren't traditionally or commonly female. But if you stay in those boxes you'll never discover them.
Date: October 29th, 2010 3:17 AM Author: At-the-ready sweet tailpipe
I'm speaking in generalities. All of this is just one big "duh" as are all gender roles. I don't think anything you said in this long post is inaccurate except for the accusation that I have all these rules about how people should act.
Maybe I wasn't making myself clear above, but my perceptions of gender roles are mine alone. People can do or think or act however they want to.
Date: October 29th, 2010 3:30 AM Author: At-the-ready sweet tailpipe
Obviously it helps if two people who are in a relationship have similar concepts of gender roles, or at least concepts of gender roles which aren't terribly contradictory.
I can't see how my concept of gender roles would be taken at all poorly by a man. My BF seems to be fine with it although we haven't really sat down and talked about gender roles. When we go out he pays for dinner. I enjoy cooking for him when he's working hard and I'm not, and he enjoys eating what I cook. He appreciates that I don't bitch about my day or complain about little annoyances. Small stuff.
Date: October 29th, 2010 4:02 AM Author: At-the-ready sweet tailpipe
Well, not really. The man makes the ultimate sacrifice in that he's making himself monogamous for me. My sacrifices are fairly trivial in comparison to the bigger picture.
Date: October 29th, 2010 4:06 AM Author: At-the-ready sweet tailpipe
Becoming monogamous is much more a sacrifice for a 29-year-old guy (or a guy in general) than it is for a 30-year-old female. I'm realistic about this and want to make it all worth his while.
Date: October 29th, 2010 4:12 AM Author: At-the-ready sweet tailpipe
Because much of the reason as to why it's a bigger sacrifice for him than it is for me is because of the general stuff. A 29-year-old man, in general, isn't as likely to be keen on settling down as a 30-year-old female. In reality I look younger than my age and plenty of our mutual friends say I'm the one that's out of his league/I'm the one that's settling.
Date: October 29th, 2010 4:16 AM Author: At-the-ready sweet tailpipe
Because at the end of the day he's a 29-year-old alphafinancedood who can slay models for the next 5+ years of his life, and no matter how good and young I look, it's just not the same for me. I don't have as many options in the dating pool especially considering how I'm not really into dating men 5+ years older, whereas I'm his oldest GF that he's had (he usually dates women in their early 20s).
Chris Rock's "old" versus "new" pussy comes into play here. My job is to keep him wanting the old pussy.
Date: October 29th, 2010 3:03 AM Author: Mahogany Pit
titcr. rasqie's a decent doodette but she is in dire need of a back of a hand to the face. i'm sure she has a nice beta bf who will take her shit though.
Date: October 29th, 2010 3:07 AM Author: At-the-ready sweet tailpipe
I think she's marrying a Jewish guy, and not to stereotype here but Jewish guys like to go for strong, opinionated women or bossy women more than other types of guys (from what I've seen). Maybe it's because it relieves them of the responsibility of making decisions.
Date: October 29th, 2010 3:18 AM Author: At-the-ready sweet tailpipe
Yep, that's how I see the stereotype, too. Of course there are always people who don't behave according to the stereotype, but among my Jewish friends I see a much higher tolerance of, or even preference for strong-personalitied, ambitious, opinionated women.
Date: October 29th, 2010 2:49 AM Author: Shimmering temple
being able to drive a manual car is obviously critical
ability to ride a standard motorcycle is also good
your firearms skills should include basic bird-hunting skills. it's not even that tough to go to the range, buy some cheap clay targets, and practice for a while until you get comfortable leading the target, firing at the right time, etc.
Date: October 29th, 2010 3:32 AM Author: Turquoise athletic conference french chef
i feel tempted to just list all the skills my future husband has. I can't really think of the things I had in mind before I met him, except for one thing.
He has to be able to disagree with his wife and put his foot down when it comes to parenting. From the beginning. From infancy. This is the number one "beta" behavior I see from white American men that drives me crazy. They ask their wives if they can hold their own fucking baby. They leave their sons and daughters to be raised by women, and leave ALL the major decisions to the women, and just back down when the women tell them to.
Women DO have strong motherly, protective instincts. And you have to be very aggressive if you plan to assert yourself as a parent that has equal authority. You have to do this for the good of your children.
Date: October 29th, 2010 3:38 AM Author: very tactful idea he suggested
List them I need a laugh. As for kids, lol, why the fuck would I want one of those little money pits, sex life ruiners and home destroyers. Btw, any guy who would actually get married with current laws is a blithering retard
Date: October 29th, 2010 3:53 AM Author: very tactful idea he suggested
Lol. Not in America, the paycheck dad( not 100%) is what made this nation great. I will concede Asians, yet their kids tend to be aspie nuts, not what I want. Feel free to start your diatribe on the wonders of black parenting, I am waiting
Date: October 29th, 2010 4:02 AM Author: very tactful idea he suggested
I don't give a fuck. Lol. You said "white" parents. You made it a race thing, just figured you knew all races parenting styles. Shit you even defended Asians. Do u only follow those two races? Or is it possible your argument about white parents is bs and now u are backed into a corner with nothing to say?
Date: October 29th, 2010 4:09 AM Author: Turquoise athletic conference french chef
I never brought up black people at all.
I'm just talking about white people I've seen. Obv single parenthood is common with black Americans, but I haven't noticed any particular patterns with black fathers, though the ones I do know are certainly less beta.
Regardless, I'l stand by what I said abut white parents, at least with regard to white Americans. None of my European friends fit these stereotypes.
Date: October 29th, 2010 4:56 AM Author: very tactful idea he suggested
U made it about race not me. Lol, like u have seen more than one active black father. You are going to have a fucked up kid, enjoy years of consoling this failure
Date: October 29th, 2010 3:51 AM Author: Slate school cafeteria reading party
No, I enjoy spending time with kids, but I have a more curious/nuturing interest than other guys, whose personality is best suited for methodical instruction, or showing by example. They'll happily spend time playing catch with the kid, but sitting around a drooling, inarticulate creature isn't really making use of their abilities.
Again, the Dad's influence grows stronger as the kid gets older.
Date: October 29th, 2010 3:52 AM Author: Turquoise athletic conference french chef
I think that happens in some families, sure. It definitely happened in mine wrt my relationship with my dad.
But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about men who back off and don't make decisions about their kids amd can't even develop a relationship with them because they let the women control everything.
Date: October 29th, 2010 3:58 AM Author: contagious pocket flask laser beams
Parenting is for women. Not all of us were fortunate enough to have our entire family live in slums where we lay around and shit in rivers all day so daddy can take an "active" role in parenting.
Date: October 29th, 2010 3:51 AM Author: very tactful idea he suggested
Whites are still the most succesful race by far, must be doing something right. At least they were before this whole gender role, womens desire for unfuckingequal rights and the pussification of America began.
Date: October 29th, 2010 4:01 AM Author: Slate school cafeteria reading party
i used to find it a little embarrassing as a kid, knowing that my religion was about praying to lingams, elephant heads, gods with six arms. But soon enough everything nicely reveals itself to be cosmic flame.
Date: October 29th, 2010 4:04 AM Author: Turquoise athletic conference french chef
Most Hindus in this country are secular, anyway. Most important, they don't have the guilt shit or the fear of god shit or the weird sexual hangups. I think sex is better for Hindus.
Date: October 29th, 2010 4:09 AM Author: Slate school cafeteria reading party
no, they definitely have sex hangups, via social norms or w/e.
I would've enjoyed coming across the philosophy at an earlier age, especially some of the ones which overlap with Buddhism. And the stages of life ideal gave a useful sense of cohesion when thinking of mine as a whole.
Date: October 29th, 2010 4:11 AM Author: Turquoise athletic conference french chef
Um, what in Hinduism encourages sexual hangups? Everything is either a penis, a vagina, or the divine union ie cosmic sex, energy and potential (woman) being converted to and/or joining with solids, matter (men).
Conservative culture was a product of colonialism, son.
Date: October 29th, 2010 4:23 AM Author: Slate school cafeteria reading party
well even the Kama Sutra has certain prescribed rules for when sex is considered appropriate. Hinduism is far more liberal in how it incorporates sex into a grander, more abstract apprehension of reality, but I don't take seriously the Tantric stuff, Khajuraho, etc since some of it seems to be played up in the West as a response to their own previously stifling culture.
Colonialism, Islam. But there's still a sexual revolution to take place in India, and most of the Hindu groups fight it tooth and nail.
I like hinduism. too bad it is "for indians only". and that poor ignorant backward indians have niggered it up for centuries. yall should pimp out an upmarket version of your religion for rich people in the west, like the jews have with kabbalah
Date: October 29th, 2010 3:26 PM Author: Slate school cafeteria reading party
Hinduism is a catchall term for a loosely collected set of beliefs and rituals within the subcontinent. Being Hindu is just a matter of self-definition, but yeah, most of the cultural stuff would make a non-Indian look a bit out of place.
The upmarket version, or that of more interest to the West, is pretty much contained in a few texts available at most decent bookstores, e.g. the Gita, Upanishads, Manu Smriti (which Nietzsche commended).
Date: October 29th, 2010 11:59 AM Author: lurid anal narrative (Le Tigre)
some mormon pumo said an interesting thing. that it is PRECISELY the ridiculousness of their myths that makes mormonism good -- the order goes 1) self-identify as committed mormon; 2) recognize joseph smith was a fraudster pile of shit; 3) cling on harder to the good values that LDS preaches
Date: October 29th, 2010 4:00 AM Author: At-the-ready sweet tailpipe
"They leave their sons and daughters to be raised by women, and leave ALL the major decisions to the women, and just back down when the women tell them to."
This didn't really describe my upbringing, although my dad said this. "Mom made the decisions re: you, but I had veto power over them".
Leaving the sons/daughters to be raised by women can be considered a product of a home where the man is the breadwinner and the woman stays at home. I do think that as the kids get older the father's influence on them grows.
Date: October 29th, 2010 3:58 AM Author: salmon nowag station
SALTY WALRUS'S DEFINITIVE LIST
1. understands basic handy work, can fix shit around the house..even if he is rich enough to hire out these services, he is alpha enough to fire a contractor or tell a plumper to fuck off because you know they are scamming you because you could fix it if you wanted to because a real man understands cost/work/common sense, etc
2. makes at least a decent living his wife/family is happy with....notice how I didn't say must be rich..being rich per se doesn't mean you automatically become a self respecting man..doesn't matter what you do as long as you make money and your family/life makes you happy to be honest
3. has business acumen, doesn't get ripped off, can negotiate, isn't a sucker, knows how to lead people, owns at least a suit or two and knows how to tie a tie, knows how to look professional when the occasion arises etc.
4. be in decent physical shape, decent strength
5. know how to drive a woman wild, either in the bedroom or when you are visiting her parents
6. not afraid to present and speak in front of many people, ..again confidence
7. can drive a stick
8. doesn't let anyone walk over them, stands their ground but goes about it in a classy way, takes the high road
9. doesn't obsess over trivial shit, drama, a real man doesn't care about this
10. has principles and stands by them
11. Isn't afraid to take risks, life is about risks..real man takes the right risks but is responsible about it and goes forward because they have confidence in their abilities and they know their shit.
Date: October 29th, 2010 4:14 AM Author: At-the-ready sweet tailpipe
Interesting. I would scrap 11 for women and add 2, if only because making a decent living means that a woman can put more money toward raising kids, and the more a woman makes before kids, the more she can afford to quit work and raise them.
I would also add 9 since so many girls do this it's annoying.
Date: October 29th, 2010 4:19 AM Author: salmon nowag station
I disagree on 11, here is why
A woman needs to understand that life is about risks and that security is an illusion. There is never a for sure thing..I see women make this mistake all the time when they choose partners, husbands, etc. Lmao if you are getting married that is a huge life changing risk, having a baby..again huge life changing risk. You gotta hope that things work out!
In summary a woman has to separate reality, what is a risk and what isn't etc. vs. their dreams/fantasies
People don't approach marriage for instance as a risk anymore, which is sad, it's nope he/she has to have a, b,c d or nothing else..etc lol sad really.. I think if they did, people would make better family/life decisions than they are now...how many washed up divorced 40 year olds are there out there /w nothing living their whole lives under the *illusion* of a dream life, husband, family, etc. Everything can go belly up. Once you understand just the level of risk in everything, you understand life more and you make better, wiser decisions. Women I find have more trouble with understand this than men because..I dunno call it the princess effect or something..
As far as 2 is concerned...well you are right, but I left it out though because I find unique to women, they have a much bigger chance in life to choose to not work vs. work... so they have more options..2 is only important if they do chose to work vs being a homebody..but you are right though
yeah well I thought about adding 9 but then I laughed to myself, oh man I'm dreaming on asking for that one. I just let the girls do their own thing as far as 9 is concerned..only effects other girls anyways lol. Besides, it's secretly entertaining to me.
Date: October 29th, 2010 4:26 AM Author: At-the-ready sweet tailpipe
OK I see your point and I definitely agree. I was just thinking of it from a business perspective.
I also might add 6 (public speaking). Maybe that's a sentimental one since so many women I know are bad at public speaking. It's so important for many careers that are female-dominated (like teaching), and I think it's crucial for a woman to be comfortable expressing herself and her opinions in front of others (I also think it's important to know when to open your mouth and when to keep it shut, but that's a different point).
So many women in law school would apologize before they said something, as if they were sorry for expressing an opinion or even speaking. A professor called me out on this and that's why it stuck with me.
Date: October 29th, 2010 4:40 AM Author: At-the-ready sweet tailpipe
Maybe that's what it is. I apologize before speaking in a group and sometimes if someone interrupts ME, I apologize to them as a reflex if I continue speaking!
You're probably right that while 6 is important for women that it's more important for men, since women have much more of an option to opt out of the workforce. I don't really know how positive a message that sends though - I figured I'd be working for 2 years and then would be married to my LS boyfriend so I figured I wouldn't really need to care about my job. Now look at me 6 years later, doing OK in biglaw and no ring.
So women might need to cultivate those career skills if they don't get a ring when they expect, or if their husband gets laid off, or if they fall in love with someone who doesn't earn that much, or if they get divorced and have to get back to work.
Back to your point about risk taking, if I took the risk of not caring so much about my career skills I could be in a much worse position right now, financially speaking, as a single female. I don't want my daughter putting career on the back burner and assuming that she'll be marriage-track by 25 and wed by 27.
Date: October 29th, 2010 4:47 AM Author: salmon nowag station
yeah well I think you make good points and all of them really tie back to 11, plus you always have to weigh in what you *really* want in life, how to balance happiness vs. work, etc.
I feel like americans really have no clue about risks because life has been so awesome for the boomers and they brought that mentality into our generation..I mean just look at the shit people post on xoxo or what you hear on the news...it's like we all just 'expect' everything now without concerning the facts, risks, etc., but you're smart and you know what I'm talking about.
Lol I was raised with the immigrant mentality, hope for the best but ALWAYS plan for the worst because you aren't entitled to shit.