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Why do reptiles find idea of universal healthcare so oppressive?
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:23 AM Author: mahogany gay wizard private investor Are taxes pay for a lot of shit, some of it quite useless. Why is it that the thought of something like an income tax to provide a base level of "free" healthcare for all people causes the venom to drip from their fangs? Why is it so inconceivable that health care not be completely privatized? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20982784) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 2:31 PM Author: Autistic people who are hurt abode Because young healthy males will be paying $500/month to subsidize olds and 400-lb-eating welfare sloths. It's called a wealth transfer. They already pay 48% of their federal tax dollars for olds and poors. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20984283) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 2:39 PM Author: henna twinkling uncleanness sanctuary lol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20984317) |
Date: June 29th, 2012 10:24 AM Author: Beta Market Corn Cake because they're fucking brainwashed barbarians (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20982791) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:10 AM Author: Well-lubricated Library Digit Ratio (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20982968) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 2:32 PM Author: Autistic people who are hurt abode They're all brainwashed! There shouldn't be a limit on taxes!! We need to burden our youngs with MOAR! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20984286) |
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Date: June 30th, 2012 11:00 AM Author: Turquoise spectacular depressive school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20989235) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:25 AM Author: Thriller nudist son of senegal Obama did it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20982796) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:26 AM Author: massive temple this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20982802) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 2:33 PM Author: Autistic people who are hurt abode Because young healthy males will be paying $500/month to subsidize olds and 400-lb-eating welfare sloths. It's called a wealth transfer. They already pay 48% of their federal tax dollars for olds and poors. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20984292) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:50 AM Author: Sick gold site clown (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20982888) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 2:35 PM Author: Autistic people who are hurt abode Because young healthy males will be paying $500/month to subsidize olds and 400-lb-eating welfare sloths. It's called a wealth transfer. They already pay 48% of their federal tax dollars for olds and poors. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20984302) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:50 AM Author: Cracking zombie-like halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983208) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 2:35 PM Author: Autistic people who are hurt abode Because young healthy males will be paying $500/month to subsidize olds and 400-lb-eating welfare sloths. It's called a wealth transfer. They already pay 48% of their federal tax dollars for olds and poors. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20984299) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:50 AM Author: glassy hunting ground volcanic crater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983212) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:06 PM Author: Vigorous Painfully Honest Jap link to Obama passing universal care (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983321) |
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Date: June 30th, 2012 11:57 AM Author: Thriller nudist son of senegal Okay, there are religious exceptions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20989580) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 1:00 PM Author: Alcoholic Motley Headpube (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983634) |
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Date: April 11th, 2015 9:12 PM Author: Filthy aqua set water buffalo das Negro! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#27673085) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:35 AM Author: Cordovan shrine Are you talking about universal healthcare or the ACA? They're different (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20982836) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:38 AM Author: Cordovan shrine Oh is this the idiot thread? Because my question is pretty fucking simple. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20982845) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:38 AM Author: mahogany gay wizard private investor I'm not talking about Obamacare, just the idea of a level of national healthcare coverage for all paid by taxation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20982847) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:47 AM Author: Cordovan shrine Speaking only for myself: I've lived in countries with universal healthcare coverage and the healthcare sucks. Yes it's free and available to everyone. But if you break your arm, for example, you can literally spend 15 hours in the ER before being seen by anyone. The only emergencies that get our idea of emergency treatment are immediate and life threatening. In enormous amounts of pain? It can wait. Making matters worse is that when you are seen by a physician, you're sometimes denied treatment we consider standard, like pain killers during certain procedures. There's actually a large market of private physicians for hire in these countries because the wealthy are willing to pay for it. This also creates a revolving door effect of doctors who want to jump ship from public to private medical practice.
Now, speaking for reptiles in general, it wasn't so long ago that we were seeing news stories of busloads of Canadians coming to the US for treatment because our hospitals and healthcare are superior to theirs. People understand that there's a give-and-take when it comes to free v. pay healthcare. Some reptiles are unwilling to sacrifice good care for universal care, especially since our current (former now, I guess) system allows anyone to receive emergency medical treatment without insurance.
Obviously this doesn't apply to the ACA since that isn't a true universal system, so you can save yourself the time of citing to it in response to this post. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:04 AM Author: outnumbered deep puppy step-uncle's house This. I want all the dumbs spouting about how great uni HC is to actually come to Canada and try to see a specialist or get an MRI. Unless your family doctor is feisty, well connected, and willing to go to bat for you, you are farked. Hell, outside of the cities, people are on WAITING LISTS to even have access to a GP. Think about that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20982946) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:10 AM Author: domesticated range is expensive private healthcare not available in canada? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20982965) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:36 AM Author: outnumbered deep puppy step-uncle's house As with most Canadian we live near the border. My mom drove down to the nearest American city (not outing self), to pay for an MRI because she was going to have to wait 3 months and was clearly having major neurological problems. So yea, our private HC is you guys. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983136) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:39 AM Author: Beta Market Corn Cake RELY ON BUFFALO MRI (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983154) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:42 AM Author: outnumbered deep puppy step-uncle's house Possibility. You have similar (Although less popular) options coming from lets say Vancouver, so I am confident that this does not out me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983169) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:43 AM Author: domesticated range so if you have access to expensive, private healthcare, why are you bitching about WAITING LISTS and shit that don't apply to you? Your choice is between expensive private care vs. not-so-great public care, what about people who are choosing between not-so-great public care vs. jack shit? |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:49 AM Author: outnumbered deep puppy step-uncle's house A) I dont have access. My parent do, and even then they are upper middle class and cannot really drop dime for private HC when they have already been paying more than half their income in taxes for 40 years (for the public kind).
B) The American system is not better, I am fairly clear about this. My point is that right now the poor have access to whatever they want and the middle class have to limit their HC expenditures due to cost. If you move to the Uni system, the MC no longer needs to worry about the direct expenditure, but they will have to worry about not getting/having to wait months for the care that they do need. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:51 AM Author: domesticated range it must be interesting to live in a country that has a middle class (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983218) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:57 AM Author: outnumbered deep puppy step-uncle's house And to think that Obamacare will further wipe them out down south. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983256) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 1:00 PM Author: big-titted new version faggotry Are you claiming $700/yr is enough to prevent the average american from affording the health care of their choice? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983628) |
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Date: June 30th, 2012 2:16 PM Author: Infuriating Coldplay Fan Double Fault what does this even mean? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20990371) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2012 8:08 PM Author: Khaki Parlor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FEW5mh7iAI (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#21157434) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:10 AM Author: mahogany gay wizard private investor I wasn't planning on citing to the ACA, I'm very unfamiliar with it tbh. Canadians who can afford to generally come here for nonessential surgeries that they would otherwise be on a waiting list for. And I agree that a public-only system creates issues of healthcare rationing that would lead to a lower standard of care versus what would be available for those who could afford the best care/coverage in a private system. But I'm not talking about replacing private care with public care, merely providing some level of public care that ensures a passable level of support for all, regardless of their ability to pay for it, that coexists with private coverage. Of all the things that our taxes go toward, I have trouble understandng how such a healthcare safety net is so unthinkable to so many people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20982967) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:01 PM Author: crystalline university Greetings, And, just to point out, this is the exact situation in England (public HC + a private system for those who can afford it). |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:14 AM Author: Well-lubricated Library Digit Ratio FLAME. Healthcare in Canada is great and the wait time is bullshit reptile propaganda. Go on reddit and find dozens of threads where Canadians chime in with anecdotes wondering where the fuck this flame came from. And if you can wait (not life threatening), you should wait, because that's infinitely better than a $20,000 bill that drives you to bankruptcy.
And, Canada is not the only universal healthcare system. Australia's system would work well here. Provide baseline Medicare and then mandate that people who can afford it buy supplemental private insurance (they have a tax penalty for people above a certain income level who don't buy private insurance). Even then, the private insurance is cheap compared to the US. We could still have private insurers and providers while providing baseline Medicare to everyone. It makes sense and it doesn't require dismantling our entire healthcare industry. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:15 AM Author: Sadistic Pervert Space yeah but does Canada have BLACKS? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20982989) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:22 AM Author: Well-lubricated Library Digit Ratio Blackpoors already get Medicaid. And maybe it wouldn't be so bad if all these black female landbeasts get their bloodwork done and fix their Thyroid conditions. Maybe that's why they have such vile, angry attitudes and massive amounts of fat. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983015) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:33 AM Author: Cordovan shrine Are you Canadian, bro? Because there's a Canadian in this thread agreeing with me, not you:
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20982946 |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:35 AM Author: Beta Market Corn Cake i'm canadian. i've had some lengthy weights for minor problems but have never experienced a failure of the system nor have i known anyone who has. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983125) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:41 AM Author: outnumbered deep puppy step-uncle's house Nobody is saying that if you are having major chest pains and call 911 that you are not going to get treated properly in Canada. It is the remaining 95% of HC issues where the Canadian system is horrible. Anytime you are having acute, but not currently severe, problems that require a specialist you end up waiting 3 months. Anytime you need a scan, you end up waiting 6 months. Walk into a hospital without a 100% life threatening issue? Be prepared to wait 5 hours.
I think this needs to be repeated: I am not suggesting that Canada is better (or worse) than America is right now w/r/t HC. All I am saying is that Uni HC is already similarly as horrible and this is with a smaller society with a lot fewer moochers and more social cohesion. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:44 AM Author: Beta Market Corn Cake Yeah well we need to agree on moral axioms we'll never agree on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983178) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:46 AM Author: outnumbered deep puppy step-uncle's house What moral axiom(s) do you hold that apply here? I will operate strictly within your realm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983188) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:50 AM Author: Beta Market Corn Cake don't feel like reading lengthy screeds on metaethics right now, sorry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983211) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:49 AM Author: domesticated range omfg 5 hours are you serious?????
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:55 AM Author: outnumbered deep puppy step-uncle's house 4-5 years ago my diabetic grandmother was having terrible headaches. My dad finally convinced her to go with him to the hospital (he even went to one of the "better" ones). She did not bring her insulin or food (and as she typically does, hid this fact from my dad). After about 4.5 hours of waiting she started to go hypoglycemic. Luckily my dad notices her jumbled speech and trouble thinking and has to run screaming for a nurse to give her some OJ. 30 minutes later a doctor finally comes to see her about the massive headaches. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983244) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:57 AM Author: domesticated range omg how did the story end? did she receive completely free medical treatment? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983261) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:59 AM Author: outnumbered deep puppy step-uncle's house I don't think you fucking know what "Free" means. If it takes you waiting 5 hours, and having your son pay over 50% of his income in taxes, it aint fucking free dimwit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983278) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:01 PM Author: domesticated range holy shit does canada take 50% of everyone's income to pay for its healthcare system? how do they build roads and stuff? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983284) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:04 PM Author: outnumbered deep puppy step-uncle's house You know exactly what I meant, the incremental 10%. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983311) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:09 PM Author: domesticated range so it's 10% not 50%? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983348) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:14 PM Author: crystalline university Greetings, Flawless victory. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:15 PM Author: outnumbered deep puppy step-uncle's house FINISH HIM (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983365) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:16 PM Author: crystalline university Greetings, Pumo wins. *babalityyyy* "the cow goes WAAAHHH* |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:22 PM Author: outnumbered deep puppy step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983394) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:07 PM Author: crystalline university Greetings, "Be prepared to wait 5 hours." Brother, that exact fucking thing happened to me in TX. Went to ER with insane headaches, could barely see straight, couldn't think, nothing. Like cluster headache-level awfulness. They made me sit in the waiting room for five hours. Finally I got taken in. The nurse took my Bp and it was, shit you not, 200/150. The nurse goes holy fuck, we'll get you a doctor asap. Didn't get a doctor for another hour. Then they DIDN'T HAVE FUCKING ROOM IN THE HOSPITAL FOR ME, SO THEY PUT ME ON A GURNEY IN THE FUCKING HALLWAY FORTY FEET FROM THE DOOR THAT OPENS TO THE HELICOPTER AREA, AND IT WAS WINTER AND THE COLD AIR CAME AND FROZE MY GODDAMN BALLS OFF WHILE I LISTENED TO THE ROAR OF THE HELICOPTER ARRIVING AND LEAVING OVER AND OVER AND MY BP WAS 200/150 Finally, after being there for about 7-8 hours, they shot me up with some drugs that made my BP return to normal. They gave me some meds and sent me home. BTW this town has three hospitals, so it wasn't some buttfuckistan. Oh yeah, and then they discharged me while I was woozy on Benadryl and shit, could barely walk straight. Had to figure out who to call on my own, could barely dial the phone number, and in my ride home, I couldn't even hold a conversation with the driver. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:14 PM Author: outnumbered deep puppy step-uncle's house Brutal bro. Although the facts suggest it is still worse in Canukistan;
"As reported by the Health Council of Canada, a 2010 Commonwealth survey found that 42% of Canadians waited 2 hours or more in the emergency room, vs. 29% in the U.S.; 43% waited 4 weeks or more to see a specialist, vs. 10% in the U.S. "
Can we all just agree that both the corporatist system in America and Uni HC in GB, CAN, etc, both suck and should be rejected? |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:16 PM Author: crystalline university Greetings, Yes, I think we can agree on that. Probably the mandatory health savings account Noot was proposing makes the most sense. But being married to a doctor, I'm in favor of whatever lets them keep assraping everyone for more money. On the other hand, universal HC would make it MUCH easier to start small businesses since employers wouldn't have to deal with HC shit anymore. And since I'm GC of a small business... |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:21 PM Author: outnumbered deep puppy step-uncle's house Just do gov't granted monopoly privilege of the AMA, bro. Your wifey will continue to be a benjamin baking machine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983391) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 1:05 PM Author: big-titted new version faggotry The AMA is just a private voluntary association. What's your problem with it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983674) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:58 AM Author: crystalline university Greetings, I've lived in a country w/universal HC coverage and your story does not happen there. My English friends have routinely called bullshit on this same anecdote, as do my Canadian friends. I can't speak about anywhere else. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:03 PM Author: outnumbered deep puppy step-uncle's house You realize Towns having waiting lists for people to get a GP. Until then they have ZERO medical support outside of emergencies or are willing to wait ours in the local hospital. I have family members in norther Ontario and friends in eastern Alberta. This is a well known phenomena.
You probably associate with upper class people who have managed to get in good with the "better" GPs who open doors for them and/or people who want to protect their ego and national image. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:05 PM Author: domesticated range they sound a lot like uninsured people. oh, except of course the fact that they can go to emergency rooms for free without going bankrupt. but yeah, real similar plight there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983317) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:10 PM Author: outnumbered deep puppy step-uncle's house The poor and uninsured have access to emergency facilities even if they cannot afford it. And before that, they got to pay 30%+ less in taxes.
And again, I am not saying America is better, they are both shit. Uni is not the way to go. Stop thinking that the only two options are Uni and the highly regulated corporatist system you have now. Look at how other goods and services are provided for ever falling prices and increasing quality. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:07 PM Author: crystalline university Greetings, It may or may not be true that I run around in Canadian blue blood circles. But I still stand by my experience living in a NHC nation. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:04 PM Author: domesticated range uh, excuse me, did you read CGM's story above about his grandma? she had to wait several hours and sip orange juice before getting treatment for her headaches. shit is real out there, man. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:09 PM Author: crystalline university Greetings, This happened to me in the US (see my story above) that is even worse in the US. Even after the hospital's ER had diagnosed me with a near-deadly blood pressure level, they waited over an hour before sending a doc to see me. |
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Date: June 30th, 2012 11:56 AM Author: Ruddy kitchen boiling water STFU reptile. Isn't Tylenol 3 (with codeine) available OTC in Canada? If you had a broken arm in America the doctor isn't prescribing you anything much stronger than that for the pain. Don't be a overdramatic faggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20989574) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:37 AM Author: Transparent Vibrant Parlour Haunted Graveyard HISS! Rugged Individualism.... HISS HISS!!! Free Market HISS!! Limited government HISS HISS!! Keep your communist hands off my medicare HISS HISS HISS HISS!!!!!!
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:55 AM Author: aphrodisiac angry church building Hey!.........shut up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20982916) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:02 AM Author: Cerebral Fat Ankles Coffee Pot simple answer: because they get off on having things that other people don't have so they can feel better about themselves. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20982941) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:15 AM Author: mahogany gay wizard private investor That's definitely the most troubling aspect. The complete lack of empathy for anyone in a worse position than they are. And the freeper conviction that the only people who could be in favor of a system that provides some support for the disadvantaged are freeloaders looking for handouts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20982990) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:18 AM Author: Balding razzle-dazzle national Objecting to footing the bill for someone else's extremely costly purchase of goods and services is not the same as a complete lack of empathy.
Fucking shitlibs are masters at demonizing the other side's motives so they can stake out the moral high ground. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:26 AM Author: mahogany gay wizard private investor Some reptiles (not all) are enraged by thought of anyone getting anything for nothing. I've had this conversation with people IRL who almost seem to take pleasure in the fact that people poorer than them can't get the things that they can. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983058) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:58 AM Author: outnumbered deep puppy step-uncle's house Where was that article again discussing how shitlibs are far worse at comprehending the other sides position? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983271) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:00 PM Author: Balding razzle-dazzle national yeah, this is what i was trying to summarize w/ my poast below (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983281) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:00 PM Author: Balding razzle-dazzle national Why do you think that anyone should get something for nothing? Serious Q.
I think part of that is a reaction to libs insisting that productive people should have their resources reallocated to others simply because they were outvoted. Sorry bro, that irks people. Anyway, it's more a failure to be persuaded by empathy or sympathy or whatever than a real joy in denying something to someone else. A lot of people express this as pleasure, IMO, as a reaction to shitlibs who are so fucking happy with their own moral superiority... kind of a defense mechanism. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:06 PM Author: outnumbered deep puppy step-uncle's house What also gets me is the fact that conservatives donate more than libtards, and are about the same if you remove religious donations. Bunch of self-centered assholes, eh? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983327) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:08 PM Author: Balding razzle-dazzle national Libs are all for spending their neighbors' money. They've always been that way and always will be.
FatCats! FatCats! |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:27 AM Author: Ivory shaky legend school cafeteria Go back to your heat rock. Then YOU can have the high ground. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983066) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:02 PM Author: Balding razzle-dazzle national stfu (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983297) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:18 PM Author: crystalline university Greetings, Brilliant moniker, brilliant post |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:14 PM Author: crystalline university Greetings, *complains about Democrats staking out the moral high ground* *argues that all taxation is against the Bible because it's forced charity* |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:15 PM Author: Balding razzle-dazzle national you have shitty fucking reading comp
and i can assure you you'll not be able to find any poast of me ever citing to the bible or any other religion |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:19 PM Author: crystalline university Greetings, It's not shitty RC. It's me trolling you as an obtuse master man. But in any case, this is a BIG argument against taxation by every social conservative out there. I hear it all the fucking time here in TX. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:21 PM Author: Balding razzle-dazzle national TBF, that would irritate the shit out of me. Anyone citing the bible in a tax policy argument should be stripped of their vote, and it should be auctioned off to the highest bidder. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983389) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:51 AM Author: provocative elastic band medicaid, bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983222) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:05 AM Author: mauve tantric turdskin Even now there is some sort of universal healthcare in the emergency room sense.
Universal cadillac plans paid for by the government maybe not |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:11 AM Author: domesticated range can you explain this emergency room thing? i've heard a bunch of people reference this but I dont know what it means (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20982974) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:20 PM Author: crystalline university Greetings, Don't have a GP. Don't have ID. Don't have insurance. Go to the ER for every thing wrong with you. Give fake name. Get treated. Get billed. Go home. Throw away bill. ???? Profit!! |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:28 AM Author: Ivory shaky legend school cafeteria Republicans know a little bit about cadillacs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983078) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:11 AM Author: Sadistic Pervert Space Just hate to see Dems implement policy that may prove to be popular. See Dem dominance of Congress 1945-1993 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20982973) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 2:39 PM Author: Autistic people who are hurt abode Because young healthy males will be paying $500/month to subsidize olds and 400-lb-eating welfare sloths. It's called a wealth transfer. They already pay 48% of their federal tax dollars for olds and poors. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20984315) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:13 AM Author: Primrose arousing mad-dog skullcap Because more government regs, oversize, involvement=/=better health care. Simple answer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20982978) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:14 AM Author: Sadistic Pervert Space experience everywhere else in the industrialized world says otherwise....
waits for the inevitable reptile fallback "BUT WE HAVE BLACKS!" |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:14 AM Author: Beta Market Corn Cake for who (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20982986) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:20 AM Author: Pearl Judgmental Pozpig I don't like the idea of my gardner having the same doctor as me. it's repulsive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983010) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:27 AM Author: Ungodly Mediation Point Because they're told to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983068) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:40 AM Author: diverse bespoke home laser beams (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983156) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:44 AM Author: mind-boggling vermilion center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983182) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:51 AM Author: glassy hunting ground volcanic crater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983214) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 1:06 PM Author: hairraiser twisted hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983679) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:50 AM Author: odious codepig If there were universal healthcare, not only would my taxes go up, but my employer would stop providing the excellent coverage I have now.
I would pay more for shittier healthcare. Yes I could still pay for private healthcare but I imagine that would be a lot more expensive and taylored towards rich people, not just employed people. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:51 AM Author: mind-boggling vermilion center lol you stupid twink (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983217) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:52 AM Author: domesticated range so it really comes down to the fact that you don't want to have to pay more money for your healthcare, even if it means that the millions of uninsured will get coverage? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983229) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:58 AM Author: Vigorous Painfully Honest Jap you'd prefer the govt/taxpayers foot the bill for Earl's healthcare instead of his firm? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983272) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:22 PM Author: crystalline university Greetings, It would increase earl's geographic mobility if he could change jobs or go unemployed and try to start a small business if he didn't have to worry about health care. In the current situation, little babby still covered by daddy's insurance + married people are the only ones who can do startups in this country because other people would be FUCKED TO DEATH if they got sick. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:34 PM Author: Vigorous Painfully Honest Jap big deal. if you can't afford to buy an individual plan then you probably shouldn't be forming a startup.
People forming startups almost always end up bankrupt anyways so they may as well run up some medical bills while they're at it. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:04 PM Author: Disgusting theater you're talking to a guy who is so irked by the expenses of a relationship that he can't bring himself to have one.
this fucker was writing to his congressman too every day when he was unemployed to make sure his unemployment benefits got extended. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:57 PM Author: odious codepig as it turned out, all i had to do was date someone who is not a gold digger. works out much better.
I was on the dole for 5 months and you wont hear me complain about anyone on unemployment insurance. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:07 PM Author: odious codepig I dont mind paying a little more in TAXES for a public option of rationed healthcare for people who cant afford it and dont have job (which includes death panels run by statisticians, not doctors).
I do not want to pay a lot more in taxes for a single payer system where I cant get better health care than homeless people unless I double pay for a super expensive private plan, or pay out of pocket.
I've had 4 MRI's in my life and never had to wait more than a week for them. I would like to continue to have that opportunity. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:57 AM Author: Vigorous Painfully Honest Jap single payer is stupid for this reason. I'm sure economists will argue when the time comes that you would see a rise in wages if employers didn't have to pay for health coverage any more. Employers pocketing the savings and giving dick to the employees is what would actually happen. It would be just another handout for corps. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983263) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:35 PM Author: mahogany gay wizard private investor You really think employers don't pass the costs of coverage onto the employee in the current system? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983482) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:38 PM Author: Vigorous Painfully Honest Jap that's not what I said at all. employers currently screw over employees and will continue to do so even if they didn't have to pay healthcare. They aren't going to go out and give raises to everyone for the amount they used to spend in health premiums. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983494) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:54 PM Author: mahogany gay wizard private investor Well, if you think that employee salary is determined by the market, and that the employer prices in the cost of healthcare into employee salary, eliminating the requirement that the employer provides healthcare to the employee should enable the employee to command a higher salary in the free market. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983586) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 1:07 PM Author: Vigorous Painfully Honest Jap Except that it won't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983693) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 1:58 PM Author: mahogany gay wizard private investor How do you think wages are determined? Why don't corporations just reduce every employee's salary by 5-10k right now and pocket that money? It would get them to the same place they would be in the scenario of not having to provide healthcare and paying the same wages. Why stop there- why don't they just cut every employee salary to minimum wage and pocket the money, since you seem to deny the existence of any market for establishing employee wages? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20984048) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 2:26 PM Author: Vigorous Painfully Honest Jap wages are the lowest amount that companies can possibly pay without people quitting. that isn't going to rise any time soon and it won't matter that the govt foots the bill instead of the company.
lol at thinking that corps wouldn't use that as a giant cost cutting opportunity. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 2:36 PM Author: mahogany gay wizard private investor Gov't footing bill = taxpayer footing bill If the gov't eliminated coporate taxes and raised inividual income tax to perfectly make up the difference in lost revenue, employees would demand higher wages to compensate. And corporations would have the excess revenue to pay, so after an adjustment period of people leaving for higher paying jobs or getting raises, you would end up with wages that would bring both employers and employees back to roughly the same poast-tax position s when the corporate income tax existed. The same thing would happen with healthcare, which is just a head tax charged to employers. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 2:46 PM Author: Vigorous Painfully Honest Jap all of that would happen in a perfect world. we don't live in a perfect world. trusting corps to do the right thing and make up the difference in full is just lol. There may be a few token things like an extra point on annual raises or 401K matches and they would prob need to figure out what to do with the cash they have in their trust if they're a self funded plan. at the end of the day the little guys will still get screwed, no way around it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20984358) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 3:24 PM Author: mahogany gay wizard private investor It's not about "doing the right thing". If I am worth a corp paying me 150k salary + 5k in healthcare premiums, I am worth them paying me 155k salary with no premiums. If you eliminate corps paying the healthcare premiums, make me pay for them directly or through taxation, and my corp tries to be like "we're still only paying you 150", I'll find someone else who will pay me 155. Barring collusion, I will find someone to pay me 155. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20984588) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 3:39 PM Author: Vigorous Painfully Honest Jap you seem confused as to which decade you're living in.
hint: you're not worth 150K to your employer, let alone 155K to anyone else. you should be happy you haven't been fired yet (they probably have considered doing so at some point but just haven't pulled the trigger). |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 3:44 PM Author: mahogany gay wizard private investor Is this TMF?
The economics of what I'm saying are pretty basic. I don't make 150k, it was a hypothetical number used to illustrate the point. A point you either missed or are choosing to ignore.
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Date: June 29th, 2012 3:52 PM Author: Vigorous Painfully Honest Jap I said in my original post that economists will explain it exactly how you did and completely ignore the reality of the world we live in. By "you" I mean any random employee and by "$150K" I mean whatever they make. Most people, especially those hired before ITE, make more than what the market would actually dictate if the corp started from scratch and tried to fill the position today. People don't have nearly as much bargaining power as you seem to think they do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20984767) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:57 AM Author: Cracking zombie-like halford have you come out yet? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983265) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:52 AM Author: Vigorous Painfully Honest Jap It would lower the quality of healthcare for the vast majority of people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983230) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:08 PM Author: odious codepig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983334) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:55 AM Author: Silver Rebellious Philosopher-king I'm not for a universal healthcare system, but it's certainly better than Obamacare, which is just 2,000 pages of giveaways to specific groups and will shoot costs up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983243) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:59 AM Author: flushed heady principal's office electric furnace there's an argument that universal healthcare makes america competitive/pro business moving forward in these times (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983276) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:21 PM Author: Pale azn state It's good for entrepreneurs.
There's nothing socially good about reducing mobility by attaching people to employer-provided health care.
Got a good idea for a business but you also have a sick kid? Well too fucking bad. Keep pumping out TPS reports for ACME Corp. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:25 PM Author: crystalline university Greetings, This is my big concern. We provide HI currently. We'd love it if we didn't have to pay for it anymore (and, indeed, in two years we might not THANKS OBAMA). We got an email from our insurance provider we deal with giving us an update because of the SCOTUS decision (I felt pretty awesome because right before the email came out, I had sent an email to the founders letting them know the questions/issues still pending and reassuring them we had time before anything shitty happens, essentially predicting the entire contents of the email from our insurer). Not sure where I was going with this poast oh well *clicks poast*( |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:31 PM Author: Vigorous Painfully Honest Jap doy. it would just be a handout to employers. it's not like you guys would hire more people or pay existing guys more. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983459) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:12 PM Author: Disgusting theater Vermont is adopting a reasonable single payer option based the effective Taiwanesse system.
The days of pointing to Canada as an example are numbered for better or worse. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:19 PM Author: Silver Rebellious Philosopher-king you understand that Vermont is not exactly like America as a whole, right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983381) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:26 PM Author: crystalline university Greetings, Yeah everyone there is either alpha as FUARKKK ken cosgrove types or shitty fat ben & jerry libtards As a side note, adjusting for racial mix, Vermont has one of the shittiest education systems in the country. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:32 PM Author: Disgusting theater what's wrong with their education system besides the fact that young, smart people probably don't want to stay in Vermont? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983463) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 2:28 PM Author: Green area fanboi They have a shitty education system. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20984259) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:29 PM Author: Disgusting theater and neither is Canada, but that doesn't stop conservatives from using it as an example of why it would be bad here, does it?
Vermont will be a prime state example for a single payer option and most likely the rest of the states in the NE will follow suit. There are plenty of states already considering it.
My main point is that critics won't have to turn to other countries any more to attack socialized medicine. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:33 PM Author: Vigorous Painfully Honest Jap do we really need to see Canada's plan with america's demographics in action to get an idea of what it would be like here? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983467) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:33 PM Author: outnumbered deep puppy step-uncle's house "and neither is Canada, but that doesn't stop conservatives from using it as an example of why it would be bad here, does it? "
JFC. It is exactly because Canada is different than America that whatever harm Uni does up North will be amplified if adopted in the South. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:22 PM Author: lilac alpha nursing home I think it's hard to say across the board. Some reptiles are poor bigots who just hate minorities and other poors and some reptiles are rich and greedy and hate the idea of their hard work helping anyone in any way if they don't contribute above a certain amount to society. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20983393) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 2:33 PM Author: Vigorous Painfully Honest Jap you say stuff like that and yet you'll probably be as grossed out as anyone when you go to the doctor and the entire office is crawling with poors and mexicans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20984293) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 2:38 PM Author: Autistic people who are hurt abode Because young healthy males will be paying $500/month to subsidize olds and 400-lb-eating welfare sloths. It's called a wealth transfer. They already pay 48% of their federal tax dollars for olds and poors. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20984313) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 2:23 PM Author: amber histrionic toaster free market healthcare system will not reduce costs unless hospitals and ERs are allowed to block people without coverage from seeking emergency treatment, y or n? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20984223) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 2:37 PM Author: Autistic people who are hurt abode It's reducing healthcare costs in Hong Kong and Singapore. Explain your economic illiteracy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20984311) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 3:15 PM Author: amber histrionic toaster again, how will you encourage american poors and near-poors not to simply go to the ER every time they have an emergency like they do now. keep in mind we're talking about real people not aspie libertarian rational actors.
the singapore health care system is run by a massive state bureaucracy. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 3:27 PM Author: Autistic people who are hurt abode by letting them pay for the majority of the costs for their services out-of-pocket like they do in singapore.
by letting them pay for the majority of the costs for their services out-of-pocket like they do in singapore.
by letting them pay for the majority of the costs for their services out-of-pocket like they do in singapore.
by letting them pay for the majority of the costs for their services out-of-pocket like they do in singapore. |
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Date: June 30th, 2012 2:08 PM Author: amber histrionic toaster american poors will spend the money on cellphones and sneakers instead, going to the ER for free when they get a head cold
american poors will spend the money on cellphones and sneakers instead, going to the ER for free when they get a head cold
american poors will spend the money on cellphones and sneakers instead, going to the ER for free when they get a head cold
american poors will spend the money on cellphones and sneakers instead, going to the ER for free when they get a head cold |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 2:39 PM Author: supple indian lodge http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Ook8DKAtM dey stupid |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 2:40 PM Author: Geriatric dashing cruise ship (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20984325) |
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Date: June 30th, 2012 9:07 AM Author: lemon resort I'm not sure what the best approach to this whole debacle is but anything that further oppresses the poor, unwashed masses and lowers my premiums at the same time has my vote. Most people aren't really surrounded by poors. They have this vague idea about them informed by television/the news. But when you really get down into the shit with them, when you see them failing to function w/r/t to their health, their kids, money, etc. etc., you just simply throw in the towel and begin to hate them. They are parasitic; they just take and dumbly expect to be taken care of for the most part.
The vast majority of poors are animals and need to be wiped clean off the American boot. Let them eat Doritos and perish.
hiss hiss |
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Date: June 30th, 2012 10:46 AM Author: fighting aromatic chapel i hate to admit but you're right. ever since moved back to MIDLAW in a secondary city, i've really taken to hating proles and poors. they are incompetent and irrational as fuck in their decisions and day-to-day activity through no one's fault but their own. it's not because of some liberal as fuck pipedream that it's because of systemic inequalities or legacy discrimination. in the community i live, cost of living is miniscule and the K-12 system is good, yet these people don't take advantage of what's right there laid out for them and nothing is going to make them do it.
i was a fucking bleeding-heart liberal in college, but maybe there's a lot to be said for God's genius in natural selection and how shitlib policies have fucked up that mechanism and caused us to lose our American greatness because we're propping up incompetent genes. |
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Date: June 30th, 2012 11:36 AM Author: lemon resort This is the great failure of universal suffrage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#20989483) |
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Date: June 30th, 2012 2:18 PM Author: amber histrionic toaster middle class make retarded financial decisions too. see, the housing crisis
unfortunately just leaving people to be the victims of their own stupidity doesn't work. see, the massive recession caused by the housing crisis that fucked over people who never bought houses they couldn't afford |
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Date: July 23rd, 2012 8:17 PM Author: confused whorehouse sandwich you don't get it. fucking up once in a while is part of being human. poors are systematic fuck ups. everything goes wrong for them. everything is a debacle. from cradle to grave they go through life like jethro in Beverly Hillbillies. they simple do not understand what is going on ever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#21157523) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2012 8:11 PM Author: confused whorehouse sandwich 180 180 180 180 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#21157470) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2012 7:57 PM Author: Red Charismatic Senate Famous Landscape Painting IIRC the US already has the third highest government spend on health care per person in the world. You'd think that should be enough to fund at least a basic level of universal healthcare. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#21157358) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2012 8:15 PM Author: Balding razzle-dazzle national it is accepted shitlib dogma that drastically expanding both the number of people with health insurance and the number of people who get their health care through government insurance but without increasing the supply of available health care will reduce costs and not decrease the quality of care. how? results based payment or some shit, but don't push too hard this is where shitlibs start trailing off. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#21157498) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2012 8:19 PM Author: Silver Rebellious Philosopher-king Im possibly ok with a single payer system but really I want more of a free market system that encourages competition and lowers costs. Govt involvement, like in education, shoots up prices. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#21157542) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2012 8:22 PM Author: Geriatric dashing cruise ship the majority of healthcare costs are due to bad lifestyle choices and are preventable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#21157572) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2012 8:25 PM Author: Balding razzle-dazzle national HOW DARE YOU I HAVE A RIGHT TO WASH DOWN FRIED SNICKERS BARS WITH HAWAIIAN PUNCH YOU JUST HAVE NO COMPASSION FOR YOUR FELLOW MAN (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#21157597) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2012 9:14 PM Author: sticky chocolate cuckold Because it will only make it a lot more expensive?
Because it will create another unfunded and unsustainable government program that can never be shut down, but will only get more and more expensive over time?
Because it will create yet even more government-enabled rent-seekers happily fucking the people into oblivion forever?
Because the unsustainable spending and taxes will hamper growth and prosperity?
Because people should be free to decide whether or not they want to purchase or have their taxes pay for their extremely expensive health care?
Because people shouldn't receive millions of dollars in free health care just because they cared about their life so little that they chose to become obese and smoke cigarettes?
Etc, etc |
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Date: April 11th, 2015 9:12 PM Author: Underhanded Jade Lay Roast Beef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1982524&forum_id=2#27673081) |