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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:26 PM Author: Lascivious know-it-all stead Is UW's math program a piece of fucking trash? I mean, they're not very highly ranked in any of the publications I've recently perused.
pensive = a pathetic TTT, know nothing, shit-eating, pig-fucking faggot. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:26 PM Author: soul-stirring grizzly azn hominid what is UW in US News? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3956709) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:29 PM Author: Lascivious know-it-all stead I'm not sure, but this site gives you a comprehensive rank based on factors you choose: http://www.phds.org/rankings/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3956741) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:42 PM Author: brilliant hall http://www.phds.org/rankings/math/rank?form.submitted=1&ed_eff=&change=&myd=&fac_qual=5&p_pub=&n_pub=&n_cit=&g_pub=&g_cit=&p_full=&p_full_sign=1&n_fac=&n_fac_sign=1&n_stu=&n_stu_sign=1&n_phd=&n_phd_sign=1&p_supp=&p_ra=&p_ra_sign=1&p_ta=&p_ta_sign=1&f_stu=&f_phd=&min_phd=&us_phd=&us_phd_sign=1&form.button.submit=Continue (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3956905) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:27 PM Author: stimulating sapphire generalized bond it's top 15 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3956720) |
Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:28 PM Author: Dead coffee pot church building he can be pretty entertaining though. don't flame him away.
those who are not elite and have no business making judgments on who is and is not elite are the best. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:30 PM Author: Lascivious know-it-all stead I don't see how they're the best. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3956747) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:31 PM Author: Dead coffee pot church building i like the entertainment value.
it's similar to the guys in law school who are generally old and unattractive complaining about how law school women are ugly and how they are going to bone all the undergrads. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:36 PM Author: awkward indian lodge We must not forget about the guys with all those dating options.
Example: Which one should I choose?
#1: Runway model #2: Glamour model #3: Dallas Cowboys cheerleading squad |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:37 PM Author: Lascivious know-it-all stead IDIOT.
Point to me the thread where this came up you goat fucking piece of trash. You're so fucking stupid I can smell it. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:39 PM Author: awkward indian lodge oh no, you're one of those guys, aren't you?
I'm sorry you can't get a girl. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:40 PM Author: Lascivious know-it-all stead Ok, let's try this again. Do you know how to use the search function? Kinda? Ok, kiddo. Then find a thread with the stupid crap that you just posted.
Fucking liar. I hate it when idiots fabricate lies to support their cockamamy points. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:42 PM Author: awkward indian lodge They pop up almost daily. How is it that you've missed them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3956901) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:42 PM Author: Lascivious know-it-all stead pwn3d. Next time, make sure you can substantiate your lies before you tell them. Otherwise, you just end up making a FOOL OF YOURSELF. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3956910) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:46 PM Author: awkward indian lodge Is that a "I don't know"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3956941) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:46 PM Author: Lascivious know-it-all stead More like a "If they pop up daily, then BUMP ONE." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3956951) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:55 PM Author: awkward indian lodge I would, but i'm lazy. Look for threads by either futurejacoby or uttroll. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957059) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:58 PM Author: Lascivious know-it-all stead Wow I don't think I've ever pwn3d someone as I just pwn3d you. Usually, people at least *try* to come up with evidence to support their obviously unfounded statements. Holy shit you're a stupid, stupid person.
Bye. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:08 PM Author: awkward indian lodge what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957177) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:14 PM Author: Lascivious know-it-all stead Take a wild guess. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957226) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:17 PM Author: awkward indian lodge I don't remember the thread titles. Have GTO help you. I'm sure he can pull up about 30 in 5 mins. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957274) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:20 PM Author: Lascivious know-it-all stead If they really "popped up everyday," then you wouldn't have ANY trouble remembering thread titles because -- THEY WOULD HAVE POPPED UP TODAY, and yesterday, and every other day for the last eon. In other words, if these threads were made with the frequency that you claim, it would take an absolute monkey not to "remember" certain words in their titles.
Idiot. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:23 PM Author: awkward indian lodge I said "nearly" everyday, and I could find them, if I weren't so lazy. Additionally, if you've been here for more than a month, you already know that they come up a lot. So you are simply talking out of your ass.
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:27 PM Author: Lascivious know-it-all stead Ladies and gentlemen, this is an example of what people call "getting caught in a web of lies." You see, the first blatant falsehood this poster provided us with was that these mysterious threads existed. When confronted with the more than reasonable demand for evidence, he had to cover this lie by appending to it another: that he is too "lazy" to search for them.
"Lazy," ladies and gents. "Lazy."
What lies do you think we shall see next? |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:33 PM Author: awkward indian lodge I can't believe you're still going along with this. How long does it normally take you to realize that you're not in on the joke, but that you are the joke? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957409) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:41 PM Author: Lascivious know-it-all stead He now purues an new strategy: claiming that his lies were in fact "jokes" that I failed to apprehend. Though commendable, his latest efforts are equally pathetic and further indication of his intellectual immobility.
How is this commendable you ask? Well, persistence is always to be commended. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:40 PM Author: Dead coffee pot church building i especially enjoy all the ratings on here of women as if a 125k biglaw salary buys a 9.9 trophy wife.
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:42 PM Author: Lascivious know-it-all stead Good luck being a pussy all your life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3956896) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:42 PM Author: awkward indian lodge yes, this is hilarious, to say the least (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3956908) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:43 PM Author: Lascivious know-it-all stead I have already proven you a liar twice over; I think it is time for you to leave. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3956917) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:45 PM Author: awkward indian lodge I think it's time for you to come up with a new schick. This one is not too entertaining. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3956934) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:46 PM Author: Lascivious know-it-all stead LIAR. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3956943) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:38 PM Author: Maroon haunting patrolman It totally depends on who he's doing hsi research for there. Also, it is a pretty decent program.
You're talking about math phd programs like they're law school programs. Its an entirely different ballgame. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:38 PM Author: Lascivious know-it-all stead Oh shut the hell up. You've proven yourself quite the ignorant one on numerous occassions. We don't need your TTT input here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3956850) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:40 PM Author: Sienna naked digit ratio telephone hi rebecca. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3956869) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:40 PM Author: brilliant hall just so you know, top 15 math phd program > yale law (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3956870) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:41 PM Author: Lascivious know-it-all stead Thank you for this contribution.
Please do not post on this thread ever again. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:43 PM Author: brilliant hall yale accepts 200 some students
the top 15 math phd programs combined take fewer than 150
HTH, dumbfuck |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:44 PM Author: Lascivious know-it-all stead Again, please desist with your stupid idiot posts. Please spare us the pain of having to read your fucking mind feces. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3956930) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:45 PM Author: Trip resort associate I'd think the accept rate would be more important, more people want to go to LS than Math PhD programs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3956940) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:47 PM Author: Lascivious know-it-all stead You see, PublicOnion is a fucking idiot. He doesn't think before he posts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3956962) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:49 PM Author: brilliant hall so you're saying the top 200 people who want to go to law school are more prestigious than the top 150 people who want to go to math grad school?
give me a break-anyone with a 3.8 or higher as a math major could get into harvard law.
law school admissions are padded with thousands and thousands of irrelevant dumbasses. Not so in math grad school admissions. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:00 PM Author: Trip resort associate Do you have any proof that people who apply to math grad school are indeed smarter than those that apply to Yale? Note that the average LSAT score for a math major is too low to get a person into a top50 school. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:01 PM Author: Lascivious know-it-all stead Like I said before, PublicOnion is a ABSOLUTE MORON. He says shit he obviously knows NOTHING about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957126) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:04 PM Author: Trip resort associate His arguments here are totally unconvincing, but it's mainly becuase he thinking about the wrong way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957153) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:07 PM Author: brilliant hall haha, obviously you weren't in a serious major.
I wasn't even the top 10% of my major and I got a top 1% lsat score cold.
someone who scores in the top 5% of the Math GRE would have absolutely no problems scoring in the top .5% of the LSAT |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:08 PM Author: soul-stirring grizzly azn hominid is it even possible to score top 5% on the GRE Math? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957176) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:19 PM Author: brilliant hall i meant the subject test. an even better way to look at it is to look at the top few percents of the putnam exam, which measures reasoning more than the math gre. these people are outscoring math professors-lots of them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957288) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:09 PM Author: Trip resort associate Conversly not everyone that scores in the top 1% on the LSAT is a math major and they could still probbaly score in the top 5% on the math GRE as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957186) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:16 PM Author: brilliant hall I'm talking about the subject test.
0 percent chance a non math/physics major gets top 5% on the Math GRE subject test.
Look-these are the people who scored in the top few percents of the Putnam exam. math professors regularly do not score that well on the putnam. btw, the putnam measures reasoning, not math knowledge |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:13 PM Author: Dead coffee pot church building LSAT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GRE in difficulty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957216) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:16 PM Author: brilliant hall subject test (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957256) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:16 PM Author: Dead coffee pot church building ah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957265) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:18 PM Author: Maroon haunting patrolman nobody cares about the GRE in math phd programs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957285) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:19 PM Author: brilliant hall how many times am I going to have to say "Subject Test" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957291) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:21 PM Author: Maroon haunting patrolman I was replying to crazy frog's post, he was talking about the regular GRE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957305) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:23 PM Author: brilliant hall ok, sorry.
I don't even consider the math portion of the standard gre a math 'test'. it's high school math. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:13 PM Author: Lascivious know-it-all stead I fail to see why this is 'obvious.' (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957223) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:16 PM Author: brilliant hall subject test (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957262) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:12 PM Author: brilliant hall top math majors, like the top students in any field, DONT APPLY TO LAW SCHOOL. unless you count bullshit fields like poli sci or something.
math measures logical ability. So does the LSAT. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:16 PM Author: Trip resort associate Then why don't you have enough logic to know that measuring pure numbers isn't as good a measure of how hard it is to get into school as admissions rates? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957250) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:17 PM Author: brilliant hall way to obscure your mistake by falling back on 'soft factors', which we all know make no difference in law school admissions (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957273) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:24 PM Author: Trip resort associate What the hell are you talking about, it's your mistake not mine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957336) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:27 PM Author: brilliant hall you are saying talking about soft factors. They have nothing to do with anything. and I'm sure scoring near the top of an exam like the putnam would be more than enough of a 'soft factor' for a school like yale. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957358) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:29 PM Author: Trip resort associate How does that address my point? You that say that because the top 15 math programs take 150 and Yale Law alone takes 200 math is better. You fail to address demand for each program. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957382) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:33 PM Author: brilliant hall fewer apply to math grad school because they self-select out. They either can't cut it or they aren't interested because it's "hard"
and when you are talking about the top top students it is irrelevant how many sub 170 students apply. All of those just up the 'selectivity' rating of yale artificially. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:33 PM Author: Trip resort associate You make way too many assumptions w/o any proof. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957411) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:38 PM Author: brilliant hall like anyone applying to yale with a 170 or lower has 0 chance unless they are URM?
what an unjustified assumption. You can get in anywhere, so long as you write a really good personal statement and hire deloggio |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:39 PM Author: Trip resort associate You can get in anywhere, so long as you write a really good personal statement and hire deloggio
Not so. But keep telling yourself that i it makes you feel supirior. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:40 PM Author: Maroon haunting patrolman "You can get in anywhere, so long as you write a really good personal statement and hire deloggio"
laughable.
edit: misread, but try using quotes, it makes things less confusing. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:41 PM Author: brilliant hall god, your sarcasm detector is broken (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957469) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:18 PM Author: Maroon haunting patrolman that's the average math major. And its still the highest of any discipline.
I would only be able to get into a mediocre math phd program at best. I wasn't even a gurantee at my shitty USC's grad program. and I'm more than likely going to a t14 law school. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:21 PM Author: brilliant hall correct. people who score at the top of the math subject test and the putnam obviously would have no problem dispatching the LSAT with a 175 or better (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957307) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:25 PM Author: Trip resort associate Does math teach you brilliant reading comprehension? It's not all logic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957344) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:27 PM Author: Maroon haunting patrolman Outside of the FOBs, most math majors actually do quite well on english type stuff.
Our dept published a statistic that our math majors had a higher GPA in liberal arts classes than they did in COSM classes. Math majors had a 3.85 average GPA in liberal arts classes. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:25 PM Author: Maroon haunting patrolman yeah, only the dregs of the math dept apply to law school. I was somewhere around the top 40% in my dept, but that was only because there were so many education people who were math majors because they wanted to teach HS math. The "real" maht majors pwn3d me. I never really considered myself a math person though, I was just taking it because I used to want to be an econ phd.
I couldn't even get a LOR from any of my math professors because they would have laughed if I told them I was going to law school. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:26 PM Author: Trip resort associate It doesn't change the fact that this guy is using the wrong measure. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957351) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:28 PM Author: Maroon haunting patrolman that doesn't change the fact that its much harder to get into a good math phd program than it is to get into a great law school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957372) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:30 PM Author: Trip resort associate That's what I've been trying to figure out this whole time. All I want are admission stats and I'll be quiet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957390) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:34 PM Author: Maroon haunting patrolman They aren't kept the same way that LS stats are. You'd have to compile them from each individual school.
Also its different because PhD applications are a vastly different process. A lot of the spots are filled because a UG prof with connections calls another grad dept and says "hey, I think this guy is really good" that guy then only applies to one school.
Applying to more than 5 math phd programs is nearly unheard of.
The only way to really make comparisons is if you are familiar with both processes. I can tell you that I have a decent shot at a t10 LS, but would struggle to get into a top 50 math phd program. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:38 PM Author: Trip resort associate Just because that's the case for you it proves nothing to me. You guys may well be right, but you can't offer me any real proof. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957442) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:40 PM Author: brilliant hall we are right. go ask someone yourself (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957458) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:42 PM Author: Maroon haunting patrolman well then its going to be nearly impossible to prove anything to you.
The processes are nothing alike and just comparing acceptance rates proves nearly nothing. On top of that they're nearly impossible to find. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:43 PM Author: Trip resort associate If they are nothing alike and hard to compare why did this guy start doing it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957489) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:46 PM Author: Maroon haunting patrolman they can be compared in terms of difficulty, but doing it in terms of numbers is nearly impossible. Anybody who knows about both processes will tell you its about 100 times harder to get into a decent (top 30 or so) math phd program than it is to get into a t14. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957519) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:29 PM Author: brilliant hall what measure is wrong?
high numbers = top ranked law school admission.
you don't need a namby-pamby honors thesis and a hug from your pre-law advisor at WUSTL |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:31 PM Author: Trip resort associate see above. I want the admission percents for the T15 math programs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957394) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:36 PM Author: brilliant hall they accept 3-8 students per year.
if you consider the pool of 170+ scorers, the percent accepted by yale is much higher than anything comparable.
just talk to people who have experience with this admissions process. to get into a top 15 math program you have to be the best student produced by your program that year or sometimes the best student in several years. and that's from respectable programs. even a place like princeton does not place more than a handful of its students into top math phd programs each year. It's the same for physics. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:37 PM Author: Trip resort associate Apparently you don't understand English, I want percentages. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957431) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:39 PM Author: brilliant hall they don't collect such stats, you dumbfuck
anyone with experience with both processes can tell you that math is incomparably more difficult. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:40 PM Author: Trip resort associate Yeah see I don't belive that. Maybe math is harder for the sort of people that apply to LS, but I know plenty of Math majors that couldn't hack it in LS as well. As a math and logic guy you should know that to be convincing you need to offer actual proof and not just a "because I'm telling you." |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:44 PM Author: brilliant hall no, as a physics and logic guy I know that the proof you are demanding is impossible for me or anyone else to give you.
which is why I suspect you are asking for it. You wouldn't believe me or any number of other people no matter their authority on the matter |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:48 PM Author: Maroon haunting patrolman One thing you can do is ask the law and econ people. They will tell you that its much harder to get into the econ side of things than it is the law side of things (with the possible exception of Yale). Then its much harder to get into a math phd program than it is an econ phd program. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957538) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:39 PM Author: Maroon haunting patrolman that's nearly impossible and quite irrelevant anyway.
For any average university only like 10 people are even going to apply to any phd math program per year. Those 10 are usually out of the top 20 students in teh dept.
They typically have 3.9s or better and are ridiculously smart.
I scored a 171 and these type of kids blew me away. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:41 PM Author: Trip resort associate Ok see you're totally missing the point, annecdotal evidence proves nothing. I'm not saying you aren't right, I'm simply saying you can't really prove you are. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957476) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:44 PM Author: Maroon haunting patrolman I'm saying your standard of proof is ridiculous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957504) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:48 PM Author: Trip resort associate I'm saying people shouldn't make blanket statments that they can't prove and expect people to accept them becuase they say so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957541) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:52 PM Author: brilliant hall except when people aren't being openly contrarian many anecdotes with none contrary to their point from multiple sources is generally considered to be a good reason to believe something (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957589) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:48 PM Author: brilliant hall asking for 'proof' in this regard is just a mechanism to avoid the obvious conclusion. No one can give you what you are asking for. anecdotal evidence uncountered by contrary anecdotes is the best we or anyone else can give you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957540) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 9:01 PM Author: Lascivious know-it-all stead however, that evidence, since by its very nature is unreliable and unprovable, cannot be accorded any more weight than a contrary point of view. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957663) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 9:05 PM Author: brilliant hall there is no contrary evidence. If someone has a believable contrary anecdote to the ones offered by us, please share it. People who with experience with something (NASC and I) should have more weight accorded to their views than someone who is just saying opposing us to save face (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957703) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 9:08 PM Author: Trip resort associate Yeah I know a bunch of people in top math/engineering/science programs who have terrible English skills. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957734) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 9:12 PM Author: brilliant hall I'm so confident in my point that I'm willing to say that any whose native language is english finds math phd programs much much much more difficult than law school admissions. and I think anyone you ask whose has any knowledge of both would support this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957786) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 9:10 PM Author: Lascivious know-it-all stead That you and NASC *may be* the only ones with 'experience' with such things only compounds upon the anecdotal and thus inherently unreliable (and unpersuasive) quality of the evidence you offer forth; not the other way around. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957755) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 9:13 PM Author: Trip resort associate Not to mention that they have an incentive to say that math majors are smarter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957800) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 9:14 PM Author: Lascivious know-it-all stead yep. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957811) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 9:37 PM Author: brilliant hall the average math/physics major is smarter than the average humanities major (law student). disputing this is laughable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3958186) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 9:45 PM Author: Angry dilemma prole Since we're just going with anecdotal evidence, NASC says he was top 40% in his math program. I was the same (or lower) in my "soft" program and beat him on the LSAT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3958236) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 9:46 PM Author: brilliant hall are you actually disputing what I said? go take that shit to college board (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3958254) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2005 12:58 AM Author: Maroon haunting patrolman no, average SAT scores do that well enough. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3960525) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 9:36 PM Author: brilliant hall anyone who seriously wanted an answer to this question could find it, and it would be consistent with what we've said. no one has given any reason to believe otherwise. except "math majors r bad at english". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3958170) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 9:37 PM Author: Angry dilemma prole How could we figure it out, there's no data. I have no reason to belive it except, "I'm a math major, I'm smarter than you and you should belive it becuase I say so." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3958184) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 9:38 PM Author: brilliant hall Go ask people in the math department about it. They can tell you what it takes to get into the top grad programs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3958199) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 9:42 PM Author: Angry dilemma prole There's a winning and convincing argument, you're right you'll be perfect at LS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3958209) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 9:44 PM Author: brilliant hall shit, maybe I'm not cut for law school after all if my arguments all hinge on appeals to authority (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3958230) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 9:46 PM Author: Angry dilemma prole "but I SAID!" isn't authority. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3958248) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 9:49 PM Author: brilliant hall it is if I know what I'm talking about
what do you think authority is? |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 9:50 PM Author: Angry dilemma prole Data, some kind of actual convincing proof. If this is so obviously true and you still can't convince people maybe you wouldn't make as good a law student as you think. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3958306) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 9:54 PM Author: brilliant hall I can't convince people because they don't have the same experiences as I do. They are dumbfucks from poli sci department where everyone gets an A.
Data doesn't exist; People who know both are the next best thing.
you dispute that? in other words, you are saying joe says that pan is hot but I wont believe him until someone can show me exactly how hot. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 10:02 PM Author: Angry dilemma prole If the pan is really hot it's pretty easy to prove. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3958442) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 10:03 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account The thermometer wasn't invented until a few centuries ago. Hot metal has existed (and been experienced) for millenia.
PWN3D.
That said, Chicago is an awesome university and I give you props for being there. I don't want to fight with you. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 11:11 PM Author: Angry dilemma prole I'm not trying to fight with you. I think it's brilliant that you go to a program that's good in your field. My problem is with this stupid comparison.
Also, I was unaware that using a thermometer was the only way to prove something was hot. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 11:30 PM Author: brilliant hall the point still stands that you are applying an unusual standard of "proof", one that no one applies to everyday situations (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3959359) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 10:05 PM Author: brilliant hall it would be easy to prove; just not worth the time. The data exists, it's just not in a nice format. If anyone wants to pull it together to resolve this pissing match, I'd be grateful.
anyway, that's not the point. The point was that in the ordinary course of things you wouldn't require "proof" as the term has been used. You would believe me and NASC because we probably know what we are talking about, and no one else who does is saying anything different. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:42 PM Author: soul-stirring grizzly azn hominid actually I think YLS people will have a much easier time getting a law job than a top 15 math phd program person. but this is only anecdotal, so I can't back this up with a link. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3956898) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:56 PM Author: awkward indian lodge I find this rather hard to believe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957064) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 7:58 PM Author: Lascivious know-it-all stead Preposterous! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957096) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 10:13 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account It's easier for a YLS JD to get a law job than for a t15 math PhD to get a good academic job, but the t15 PhD can go to Wall Street or into a hedge fund.
I'd also guess that the YLS JD is better in I-banking, because, contrary to differences in rigor and selectivity, YHS Law has more street cachet than UW math. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:05 PM Author: Shivering University this is completely accurate. if you went to YLS, you went to the consensus-best program in your field. if you went to a math phd program ranked somewhere around 10-15, not so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997178) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:05 PM Author: Multi-colored codepig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957160) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 8:09 PM Author: awkward indian lodge yea, nobody else does that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957182) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 9:02 PM Author: painfully honest dragon sanctuary The UW Math program is ranked #13 by the NRC. It's not shabby but it's not the tops. It's also a TTT state school which doesn't really help.
You can't compare PhD programs with trade schools, so any comparisons made between admissions standards for law and grad schools aren't necessarily accurate. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 9:15 PM Author: Lascivious know-it-all stead . . . (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3957819) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 9:43 PM Author: brilliant hall everyone knows pedigree only applies to undergrad.
berkeley is #1 |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 9:48 PM Author: painfully honest dragon sanctuary It applies to the school as a whole. The problems of state schools extends to graduate programs also. Berkeley is the lone exception because the UC system funnels a shitload of money to keep their programs strong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3958281) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 9:50 PM Author: brilliant hall you can find other programs where michigan is number 1, or whatever.
It doesn't matter for grad schools. Plenty of people choose michigan over harvard in fields where michigan is #1
edit: in other words, "Ivy" and similar descriptors apply only to undergrad in a meaningful way |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 10:02 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Actually, because California is broke, Berkeley has a LOT more of the so-called "state school malaise" than Michigan or Wisconsin. It still has excellent programs, nonetheless. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3958438) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 10:31 PM Author: painfully honest dragon sanctuary I got $$$ from Berkeley and so did my friends in different fields. They have a shitload of money to spend on their grad programs which leaves the rest of the UCs with squat.
Also, your pedigree is shit and no one respects Wisconsin. People like me become prestigious ofessors. People like you end up doing stuck with a 90 hour quant job side-by-side with Accounting majors from Rutgers at some sweatshop bank. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 10:38 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account I believe that you got funding for Berkeley (assuming you were admitted, and your schtick lacks credibility given the quality of your posts, I must say) because the top departments fund ALL their students. That's not what the so-called "state school malaise" is about: it's about bureaucracy and impersonal atmosphere, which aren't really problems in graduate school because the departments are small. Even Berkeley, which is notorious (among t15s) for "state school malaise", is infinitely better than the TTTs in that regard, but considered worse than the good state schools (M, W, I). Oh, and Michigan and Wisconsin also fund all their PhD students too, just so ya know.
"People like me become prestigious ofessors."
Why don't we discuss that after you do it? It's harder than it seems, even from a top department. Moreover, the Ivy distinction doesn't mean shit among graduate departments. Oh, and it's "professor".
You say "no one respects Wisconsin". Wrong. Academia respects Wisconsin. Finance respects Wisconsin. I'll readily admit that UW PhD has less "street cachet" than HLS, but that only matters in unprestigious shit like I-banking. You're PWN3D again.
"People like you end up doing stuck with a 90 hour quant job side-by-side with Accounting majors from Rutgers at some sweatshop bank."
Wrong. We might end up doing 50 hour quant jobs at top Wall Street firms, making $150k to start. Then we can lateral into hedge funds, VCs, or enter startups. Also, this may surprise you, but math PhDs are allowed to do other things, such as computer science, economics, finance, or even (in the case of one of my friends) writing. People who *fail* out of these programs usually end up in $60-80k computer-related or consulting jobs. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 9:44 PM Author: adventurous queen of the night uw math is actually among the best (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3958231) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 10:00 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account I like how this thread swelled to 130 posts without me ever posting in it.
It's much harder to get into a math PhD program than a JD program of the same rank, and it's definitely harder to stay in one. The PhD programs aim for anywhere between ~5 and ~30 students. Acceptance rates, while usually not released, are thought to be ~10% for 11-20 departments, and ~5% for the top 10.
To get into a top 15 math PhD, you pretty much have to be preparing for this starting in your sophomore year. A minimal math major will not cut it. You absolutely need to have abstract algebra and real analysis covered, and the top 6 depts. (PMHBSC) require having taken them at the *graduate* level, with the exception, perhaps, of Berk and Chicago. Research experience is pretty much required for graduate admissions, and the summer research programs (UM-Duluth's number theory, NSA's DSP, etc.) are as competitive as graduate schools. The regular GREs aren't taken seriously (so long as you're an English speaker; if not, the GRE-V matters) because GRE-Q is so easy. The Subject Test, which is far more difficult, is. This is a test that covers pretty much every standard undergraduate course (topology, abstract algebra, analysis, ODEs, prob. theory, calculus, lin alg.) and only math/science majors take it. 90% (no one cares about the 3-digit scaled score, only the percentile) is usually the cutoff for top 10 departments; 80% for 11-20. If you're at the low end on the GRE, you had better have some excellent research experience. The test is pretty challenging; I got 78%-85% on prep tests, managed to pull myself up to 98% on the real thing with about a month of studying (I hadn't taken topology or ODEs, both of which are on the test, so I needed to study these on my own time).
In terms of difficulty of getting in, top 15 math > HLS, and is probably comparable to YLS. That said, because the skill sets are different, I'm pretty sure I would not be in the top 20% of any YHS law class. While my reading comprehension is tops (99%) at my natural reading speed (a TTT 20-30 pg/hr) it becomes absolutely shitty if I try to read any faster. So I wouldn't get through LS without putting many, many hours into it, and somehow I doubt I'd have the drive to do what it takes to do so well. I'd pass the program, and I could probably get LR on account of my writing skills, but I wouldn't be the top student.
Staying in a PhD program is also much harder than staying in LS. A PhD means that the university considers you competent to be a research professor, and since you don't incur debt in graduate school, they have no qualms about failing out students they don't consider qualified to that level. About half of all students who enter a PhD program will not finish it. The grading curve is not difficult (As are the norm, Bs are uncommon and suggest a retake, Cs are extremely rare but can push you out) but the classes are very challenging/humbling in spite of this. 5 out of 8 problems in a set will be an A, but you will have put 5-10 hours into the set and still been PWNed by 3 problems. Doing the work for a minimal A will leave you unprepared for the real finals, which are the Qualifying Exams (Quals). There are (depending on department) 2-4 of them, by subject, that one must pass in order to progress. Pass rates are usually 30-60% (you can retake them, and almost certainly will) and the tests require extensive out-of-class study. After coursework and quals is the thesis, for which there is no syllabus (because you're working on an unsolved research problem) and which requires a lot of self-direction and tolerance of frustration, confusion, and false starts. (You're also very reliant on your advisor in this process; a poor advisor can wreck an academic career.) Some lose motivation during the thesis phase and exit with a "consolation" Master's. Those who write mediocre theses may get the "hand-wave" pass, a pass that is contingent upon never asking for an LOR for an academic job, but only after 6-7 years (before then, the dept. would rather you keep working on it); this means you don't go into industry. A good thesis means that you'll get the PhD and be considered qualified to be a research professor, but even then getting a job is not a sure thing, and that process itself is very difficult.
I've never been to LS, but grad school requires a lot of self-direction. For example, before I go out, or to sleep, or take a break I always take a hard look at a problem I haven't solved, hoping to figure out a solution subconsciously in my down time. I often take work along when I go out for dinner. I never had to study in my sleep during undergrad. Currently, I'm taking a break from a problem set that has taken 4 hours and on which I've solved 2.5/5 problems.
So, yeah, I have to give most credence to NASC and PublicOnion as the knowledgeable and informed posters on this thread. Does all this make someone like me smarter than top YLS grads? Not necessarily, because they're a different kind of smart and I doubt I'd have the drive to do what they do. It is true, though, especially on a rank-by-rank basis, that math PhD is more selective than LS by far, and that the programs are more demanding. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 10:02 PM Author: painfully honest dragon sanctuary Ladies and gentlemen, WORDS THAT NO ONE WILL EVER FUCKING READ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3958435) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 10:02 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account Well, that's fine, but I am one of the more knowledgeable posters on this matter. Guess what? You're not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3958445) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 10:07 PM Author: painfully honest dragon sanctuary This is the douche that typed up all that shit:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~apache/gallery/foto/Church.jpg |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 11:01 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account In the last chapter, the paladin was PWNed by his above-average but not exceptional looks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3959040) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 10:11 PM Author: brilliant hall nice to hear from someone who knows something about what we are talking about (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3958547) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 11:52 PM Author: Lascivious know-it-all stead What the fuck is wrong with you? Is you reading comprehension this fucking TTT? Where the FUCK in my OP did I ever say or claim or imply that math grad programs were less rigorous than ls programs?
You are a HUGE FUCKING IDIOT. |
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Date: October 3rd, 2005 12:55 AM Author: mind-boggling house community account Oh, I was just filling in the details to PWN you even further. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3960490) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 10:24 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account Not to brag, but the fact that this thread-- a dispute about my prestige-- swelled to 100+ before I even acknowledged its existence, and that "my side" won before I had even posted, constitutes a massive board-pwn. Ok, I bragged. I'll stop now. Thanks G.O.A.T. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3958704) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 11:53 PM Author: Lascivious know-it-all stead No prob you little bitch. And make sure to include "massive board-pwn" among the endless list of terms which you know not the meaning of. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3959668) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2005 12:56 AM Author: mind-boggling house community account Are you this much of a sore loser in real life? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3960498) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 10:27 PM Author: Copper odious public bath There are some fields where being at the top really doesn't matter just because the field itself is so shitty. I realize Cornell has the top program for hotel management, but people in this program aren't prestigious because the field is so fucking TTT. Math is the same way, I mean , have you ever taken a ugrad math class? The professors are the antithesis of prestigious, as they are so socially retarded it is unbearable. Just look on the website with pictures of the people in pensive's program, they look hilarious. In short, I don't care where UW ranks or how hard it is to get into, anyone in a math grad program is not prestigious because math does not attractive prestigious people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3958726) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 10:30 PM Author: brilliant hall wrong. Math/Physics = most prestigious majors, most prestigious field, most prestigious subject
Prestige isn't money; marty lipton isn't as prestigious as justice kennedy, although kennedy is practically broke for his age.
"you ever taken a ugrad math class? "
yea, have you?? |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 10:55 PM Author: Copper odious public bath "wrong. Math/Physics = most prestigious majors, most prestigious field, most prestigious subject"
wow, you really pwned me there, if PublicOnion says they are the most prestigious, it is the law.
"Prestige isn't money; marty lipton isn't as prestigious as justice kennedy, although kennedy is practically broke for his age."
my post doesn't mention, hint at, or even allude to money, and somehow it is in your reply. Work on your RC, please.
""you ever taken a ugrad math class? "
yea, have you??"
yes, I have, and i'm sorry for making the absolutely outrageous assertion that math professors are some of the weirdest and most socially retarded people you'll ever meet.
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 10:57 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account "[I]f PublicOnion says they are the most prestigious, it is the law."
No, it's pretty much consensus among educated people that pure math is the most prestigious subject to study. Now, does that mean it's the most valuable? I don't know. If a person wants to study English, and does well at it, I find that just as prestigious as studying math. In the eyes of the educated public, though, math pwns.
"I have, and i'm sorry for making the absolutely outrageous assertion that math professors are some of the weirdest and most socially retarded people you'll ever meet."
Good, because it's a ridiculous claim and a flat-out useless blanket statement. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 11:03 PM Author: Copper odious public bath "No, it's pretty much consensus among educated people that pure math is the most prestigious subject to study."
I didn't realize that this concensus had been reached, can I get a link to when the vote was held or are you just making a ridiculous claim and a flat-out useless blanket statement, the same kind of accuse me of making in the same post |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 11:04 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account The vote was held in an underwater city with no communication to the outside world, precisely to keep the information away from you. This is because, of course, emergent phenomena such as consensi require such secret collaboration. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3959086) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 11:08 PM Author: Copper odious public bath pwned (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3959136) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 9:02 PM Author: Titillating Stock Car Kitchen 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3996696) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 10:31 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account Wow. You are the biggest fucking idiot on the planet. You probably think professors sit around doing trig problems all day, that being the highest-level math class you've taken.
About half of math people are socially quite normal (if a bit obsessive about their work) and the other half are distinctively below-average, usually because of the awkward and poor socialization most bright people face in childhood and adolescence. I was in the latter group in my early and mid-teens, and shifted over to the former in my late teens and 20s.
However, I don't see how the social awkwardness of a few of your professors reflects in any way upon the prestige of the field. It takes better social skills to keep a job as a cashier than one as a research mathematician, but clearly the latter is more prestigious. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 10:52 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account I think I'll let the matter drop, but let's remember 10.2.05 as the day that G.O.A.T., et al tried to pwn me and failed horribly. Let this be a lesson.
The answer to the question asked by the OP: No. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2005 11:57 PM Author: Razzle flatulent den gay wizard more numbers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3959715) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2005 2:35 AM Author: mahogany philosopher-king institution new record for the use of the "you're obviously no good at reading comprehension" retort, and all its variants. and writing "PWNED" in the middle of a dispute about doctorate programs is obviously very persuasive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3961083) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2005 3:50 AM Author: Lascivious know-it-all stead Agreed. I too enjoy writing pwn3d when discussing graduate degree programs. I also like using the acronym 'HTH' when I neither want to nor care to help. PWN3D1
HTH |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 6:01 AM Author: Shivering University no. but it's not really a truly fantastic one, either. in terms of prestige, it's maybe like Michigan or UVA for law school. the truly prestigious math people that I know are at Harvard or Princeton (and yes, I know more than a few), even if (read this, Mike): EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE GRAD MATH CLASSES.
it's hard for me to believe that pensive brags so much when people his own age and from his own discipline who are so far superior to him in both prestige and skills exist. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 6:34 AM Author: brilliant hall there are only a few *total* math phd students at princeton and harvard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3991700) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 9:11 AM Author: Shivering University there are more than 50 at each place. really, not many people apply either--the acceptance rates are probably similar to those for HYS law.
these people are way out of pensive's league, just as your average Yale student is way out of your average UVA student's league. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 3:38 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account I doubt that it's 50, but even if so, that would mean class sizes are around 8-10. Maybe 100-150 American students get into top 15 programs per year; it's comparable to YLS or HLS.
You're right that the absolute top math students in the country are way out of my league, and I won't argue on that point. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 9:51 PM Author: Shivering University it's more than 50 in both cases. count for yourself if you still don't believe me (as a math major, you can count, right?):
http://www.math.harvard.edu/people/graduate.html
http://www.math.princeton.edu/menusa/index4.html
also, I happen to know that the princeton math PhD program, at least, is fairly strictly controlled at 4 years, so your 8-10 students per year number is off by more than 50% (and even that is assuming absolutely no one quits before finishing). pretty bad, eh?
(next time, maybe have a clue about what you're talking about before you touch the keyboard. just because you take a wild guess about something doesn't make it right, dumbfuck.)
"top 15" (as a student at a school ranked right down there around #15, i'm sure you desperately love to believe it's "top 15" don't you??) is not comparable to YLS or HLS because many more people apply to law schools than apply to math grad school. to use your logic, the top some-obscure-area-of-the-world studies programs in the country (which probably have even fewer than 100 new students each year) are also equivalent to HLS or YLS. just doesn't make sense. supply and demand, man.
i'm glad you acknowledge that math students at top programs are way out of your leageue, at least. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:11 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account "I happen to know that the princeton math PhD program, at least, is fairly strictly controlled at 4 years".
While this is true "officially", there are always students who overstay the "hard limit", and it's not like a PhD program is going to kick students out after they put in all that work.
"'top 15' [...] is not comparable to YLS or HLS because many more people apply to law schools than apply to math grad school"
This is true, but most LS applicants don't even think about applying to math PhD programs because most of them wouldn't get in. The applicant pool for math PhD programs is much more select than that for LS, and moreover acceptance rates are still quite low for top 15 programs.
"i'm glad you acknowledge that math students at top programs are way out of your leageue".
I'm out of your "leageue" when it comes to spelling. Tell me also: how's your new word pronounced? |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:16 PM Author: Shivering University re: self-selection of the math programs, that's nice, but the fact is not many people want it, period. many more people want to be lawyers.
also, acceptance rates aren't significantly lower for the "top 15" than the "top 25"--just fyi. 15 isn't the magic number except in your fevered, 15th-ranked imagination. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:19 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account I don't recall being the first one to use "top 15" with regard to graduate programs. 16-25 PhD programs, in math and the sciences, are also pretty selective.
Moreover, when I graduate I'll be able to get a $200k quant job, with good hours (40-50). From law school, top option for most is $125k biglaw. In that light, do you really think most LS applicants would rather be lawyers than math PhDs? Some, yes, but I doubt most. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:30 PM Author: Shivering University those types of jobs require social skills you don't have. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997362) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:33 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account You're wrong, and you're an idiot. You don't even know me, you worthless bag of trash. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997382) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:36 PM Author: Shivering University huh? we were in school together, idiot. YOU likely don't know ME, but rest assured, like basically the entire rest of the carleton universe, I know YOU. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997395) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:38 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account You can only support this claim by outting your sorry ass. Otherwise, you have no credibility.
My guess is that you haven't interacted with me for more than 5 minutes. Also, you admitted last June to being class of '99. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:42 PM Author: Shivering University unfortunately for you, "credibility" isn't really very important here. the things I'm saying are true prima facie.
you don't need "credibility" to say 2 + 2 = 4, and you don't need "credibility" to say "mike church is a complete arrogant fuckup when it comes to interacting in anything approaching a normal way with other humans, especially girls" (your other posts on this board are evidence enough--just ask Rowan. does she have enough "credibility" for you??) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:44 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account Okay, Rowan was going based on Media Kid's summary of one encounter. If you consider Media Kid to be gospel, then you may have a point.
One doesn't need credibility in order to say "can't edit me away! has a third nipple", and yet that doesn't make it true. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:50 PM Author: Shivering University i think i'll let my posts and yours stand on their own and allow others to make their best guess about whether or not they're true. frankly, it should become really clear almost immediately if they've read almost anything you've ever written (particularly anything about "women" or "prestige" or anything using the phrase "alpha male"). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997499) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:55 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account I'm trying to run a schtick here! Stop ruining it by bringing in reality!
(Here's a hint: I don't go on prestige rants in real life. Nor do I use the term "loser-fucker".) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:57 PM Author: Shivering University mike, everyone knows this isn't true.
this is the real you. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 11:06 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account What is? Prestige rants? Well, I enjoy them, especially to keep loser-fuckers like you in check.
There have been months where my whole life has been schtick, so I'm quite a veteran of it. To tell the truth, most often I don't give a fuck about anything and will say whatever will give others maximum entertainment. That was the whole concept behind the UF. Once my social life had been ruined, not my fault, I stopped caring. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 6:31 PM Author: Learning Disabled Wagecucks And aren't some of them international students? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3995417) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 8:28 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account Most, especially at the top departments. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3996384) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 9:56 PM Author: Shivering University yup. american students have a distinct advantage on getting in, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997101) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:02 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account I'd say foreign students have an advantage, not by virtue of being international but by that of having had more courses. (In Europe and most of the world, college students study only in their major.)
I'd say that, in admissions, they probably don't favor Americans over international students with English proficiency, so long as all the visa-related bureaucracy clears. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:03 PM Author: Shivering University completely wrong, not least because americans have many more funding venues open to them.
americans are favored (slightly or greatly, it varies--but always favored) in every single US math, science, or engineering graduate program. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:22 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account I would believe that, c.p., Americans may be slightly favored in admissions. However, as I've said already, international applicants are more likely to have had the coursework that top departments look for, because they specialize earlier. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997308) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:32 PM Author: Shivering University that doesn't really make up for the difference. you have pretty much imagined this "requirement" of grad-level courses. i know plenty of LAC grads at top math, physics, etc. programs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997369) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:35 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account Were they in urban areas? They probably took graduate courses from surrounding universities.
That said, it was much easier to go LAC -> top 5 ten to twenty years ago. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:37 PM Author: Shivering University no. they took only LAC course and did independent study projects, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997403) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:42 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account Okay. Well, I won't deny that it's not possible, but it's rare. I had top numbers, two summers of research with 3 papers. What may have hit me, as well, is that one of my recommenders (not a professor, but someone from work exp.) got really sick and ended up being 2 weeks past most of the deadlines. My guess is that, given that I was a borderline applicant at the top departments, this was probably enough that they just didn't bother to wait for it. I certainly have no illusion of being so great that a department's going to make an exception on a late LOR for me, even if it wasn't my fault. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997443) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:40 PM Author: Learning Disabled Wagecucks I don't think this is true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997430) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:43 PM Author: Shivering University it is. there are many funding sources (particularly from the federal government, and NOT just the big fellowships--also research contracts, etc.) that are only available for US graduate students. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997451) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:45 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account It is very true that it's easier for Americans to get funding. This is the one valid point that "can't edit me away!" has made in his entire existence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997465) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:48 PM Author: Shivering University so you think MBAs run washington, too? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997489) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:49 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account I have no idea. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997496) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 3:41 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account There are people who are smarter, more skillful, more prestigious, whatever. This is true for all people but one in the world, so I can cope.
It's extremely difficult to get into the top 5 departments without graduate coursework, though it may be possible for some, e.g. Putnam winners. My guess is that these people already took some graduate coursework.
I'm a lot smarter than you, can't edit me away!, and I didn't spend November-December of 1998 stalking a girl too young for me, as you did. Oh, and your law school is 2nd tier at best (I'm not familiar with the exact rankings, but it's not t14). PWN3D. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 6:38 PM Author: dashing skinny woman look at the guy wearing the red shirt. Do you sit like that?
http://www.math.princeton.edu/menusa/index2.html |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 8:33 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account You mean in the 2003-04 photo? Definitely not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3996423) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 9:09 PM Author: Ultramarine Maniacal Fat Ankles Half-breed no, but you spent 2001-2004 (at least) as a pathological liar - trying to explain away your complete lack of friends and the fact that you skeeved out half the women at carleton as being due to a mythical head injury.
bitch. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 9:14 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account What happened to "can't edit me away!"? Did you get tired of attacking me under that moniker, Jeremy?
I had friends, you stupid fucking TTT, and I didn't skeeve out any women, except for the cognitively slow ones who couldn't handle my quickness and good breeding, taking these traits to be insults.
PS. Your fiancee is better looking than you are and this will PWN you every day throughout the course of your marriage, up until the point where she leaves you for someone better. You look like you're 40.
PPS. In the spirit of the 174th post: Jeremy, you are an unelite striver-fuck (GPA: 3.0 by own admission; LS: Fordham 2L) and I PWN YOU AT LIFE YOU WORTHLESS TTT PIGFUCKER. If I SHAT in your driveway you would preserve my preftigious poop as a RELIC. PWNED. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 9:31 PM Author: Ultramarine Maniacal Fat Ankles Half-breed hey dumbass, i've never posted under that moniker. i haven't attacked you on here since the last time you showed your ugly ass mug on the law board during the summer. sorry to disappoint though.
as far as prestige, i will be summering at a top firm in one of the hardest markets to penetrate (not nyc). so i think i'm doing okay.
ps, my fiancee loves me more than any woman will ever love you. you'll die a virgin just like every other scrawny math phd student with pathetic social skills.
pps, everyone notice how he didn't contradict my comment about making up a head injury to explain his anti-social behavior for two+ years... |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 9:39 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account Yes, "can't edit me away!" is yours. Unless there are two people who were creepy stalkers during the fall of 1998, because your alter ego admitted to it.
Re your "top firm"-- I don't know where it stacks up-- let me only point out that admission to a top 15 math PhD program is way more prestigious than your summer position. Become a partner, and then we'll talk.
Re your PS, she settled. This happens when women get older. Anyway, who are you to forecast my future love life? I'm in a city full of educated young people; if I don't have a girlfiend by this time a year from now, I'll be disgusted with myself.
Re your PPS, my file was a more prestigious schtick act than anything you could even imagine doing. Admit it: I was as big on Caucus as 174 is on XO, and 174 is damn prestigious. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 9:42 PM Author: Ultramarine Maniacal Fat Ankles Half-breed edit out the firm.
and i swear i'm not 'can't edit me away.' i only post under one other moniker, and that's not it. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 9:44 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account Firm removed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997016) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 9:44 PM Author: Ultramarine Maniacal Fat Ankles Half-breed i can't promise the latter b/c I'M NOT THAT POSTER!!!!!!!
thank you
(i wasn't a creepy stalker fall of '98 - i was dating AD the entire term after about second week - though most people didn't know that b/c of her 'long distance boyfriend.' it was after the breakup at the beginning of winter that all went to hell...) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 9:45 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account It's done. I still believe you are can't edit me away!, but my goal isn't to fuck up your life. The threat of a PWN, mercifully withdrawn, is more graceful than an actual PWN. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997029) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 9:49 PM Author: Ultramarine Maniacal Fat Ankles Half-breed i swear, there's only one other moniker i use, and i think you know which one that is (there are no words in it). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997048) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 9:52 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account I'm aware of it, yes.
Can't edit me away! uses a similar writing style. However, given that I even still have a small number of cyberstalkers, I guess it could be anyone. I had him narrowed down to 2 people, one of which was you. I guess it's the other one. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 9:55 PM Author: Razzle flatulent den gay wizard your classmates are remarkably persistant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997091) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:05 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account You don't know half the story.
There are a lot of good things about the LAC academic setting, but I hate the bullshitty social drama. It makes it impossible to become an adult. I still feel like a 19-year-old in terms of social maturity, because I spent four years in an environment that gave me absolutely no social legroom; my role on campus was defined in my first two months there. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:09 PM Author: Ultramarine Maniacal Fat Ankles Half-breed it certainly wasn't the fact you spent four years rehashing those two months to anyone who would read/listen... you're the one who refused to move on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997199) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:13 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account This is true, but no one would let me move on, which only allowed what should have been a relatively minor trauma to dog me forever around there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997238) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:22 PM Author: Ultramarine Maniacal Fat Ankles Half-breed again, everyone else's fault but yours... look, i had a pretty shitty rep my frosh year too. and you know what? i moved on. i stopped hanging out with people who disliked me. i stopped fearing that everyone heard nasty rumors about me, true or otherwise. instead, i got to know new people, and though i made terrible first impressions back then, people usually came around to like me - at least enough not to talk shit about me. hell, even EG came around by the middle of spring after i finally stood up to her crap. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997307) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:23 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account Yes, but you didn't have people following you around and trying to poison every woman you dated or considered dating. I did, even in my junior year and senior year, which was ridiculous. Most of those loser-fuckers had no idea what they were talking about, clearly enraged by my superior breeding and intellect. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997312) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:28 PM Author: Ultramarine Maniacal Fat Ankles Half-breed it's clearly your superior . . . breeding . . . that enrages people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997341) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:33 PM Author: Shivering University 180
he can't really believe this, can he? |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:11 PM Author: Razzle flatulent den gay wizard well, at least the large campus at UW will give you more than enough space, not to mention the possibility of redoing the 'college experience' without the collateral attacks.
it just boggles my mind that people would straggle behind you on the internet even a year after graduation. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:14 PM Author: Ultramarine Maniacal Fat Ankles Half-breed pointless post removed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997246) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 9:50 PM Author: Sooty provocative senate halford You dudes are fucking crazy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997053) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 9:54 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account Haha, LAC bullshit social drama, even in the years after. We'll probably come back for a re-enactment of this fight in 20 years, for old times' sake. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997081) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 9:56 PM Author: Ultramarine Maniacal Fat Ankles Half-breed fuck that - every five years, just like reunion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997099) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 9:59 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account Of course. Hey, even though we've fought, we have had pretty similar experiences at Carleton. Do you think we'll ever miss any of this bullshit social drama, ten years out? This is after being happily married, having kids, and able to laugh at it.
I doubt I'll miss the petty shit, but I'll probably have nostalgia for the UF, just for the thrill of getting so much attention, saying so much ridiculous shit. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:04 PM Author: Sooty provocative senate halford Do me a favor...please summarize the conflict. Thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997164) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 11:03 PM Author: Ultramarine Maniacal Fat Ankles Half-breed if you're still here...
the conflict basically boiled down to mike v. the world on his (lack of) social and dating habits. he recaps his attitude nicely in this thread: http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=273774&mc=186&forum_id=2 |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:05 PM Author: Ultramarine Maniacal Fat Ankles Half-breed i don't care for bullshit drama. i'm also not an attention whore. i think schtick is stupid is fuck - as far as i'm concerned, 174 is a 15 year old who sits in his mom's basement all day playing computer games and making stupid posts.
oh, and i can laugh at it now, b/c that was two lifetimes ago as far as i'm concerned. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:29 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account 174 is the best poster on XO. Media Kid is #2. Schtick is very elite and cool. Moreover, various posters have corroborated 174 and Media Kid both as having excellent pedigree.
The "two lifetimes" attitude is pretty healthy w.r.t. LAC drama. I'm starting to feel that way, myself, and once I find a good girlfriend the past will all be irrelevant anyway. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:33 PM Author: Ultramarine Maniacal Fat Ankles Half-breed schtick is very elite and cool - to LOSERS. people who actually live in the real world care more about things like relationships and accomplishments (note the difference between pedigree and accomplishments...).
i don't care that i'm not an 'elite poster' because i'm not here to develop a reputation but to get information... |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:37 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account I know 174 and Media Kid offline and they are definitely not losers. You have no idea what you're talking about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997406) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:11 PM Author: Shivering University the difference is that he's on his way to being happily married, with kids, etc.... and you're definitely not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997226) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:14 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account Well, I'm definitely taking my time, and not always by choice. Life's shitty sometimes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997247) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 9:52 PM Author: Shivering University you're an idiot. i'm not the other poster. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997064) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 9:55 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account Prove it, then. Who are you?
You've used that moniker only to attack me, and said nothing incriminating about yourself, so you have no reason not to self-out. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 9:59 PM Author: Shivering University that's completely wrong. i was posting on other topics just today (but you're such a megalomaniac i'm sure you wouldn't notice any threads that aren't devoted to you). for example:
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=274142&mc=9&forum_id=2#3995882 |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:03 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account Okay, so you've posted a few real comments under a troll moniker to lend it credibility. Nice. This is at least B+ trolling. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997157) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 9:51 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account Re: Fall 1998, the version I heard of the story reflected badly on you, but that was from people who hadn't seen you in three years. Given that you've also heard distorted and ridiculous stories about me, I know not to put too much stock in such things. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997058) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 9:55 PM Author: Ultramarine Maniacal Fat Ankles Half-breed EG and the boys on 5? EG hated me b/c AD was her only friend, and she was spending all her time with me. the boys on 5 hated me b/c they all wanted to fuck her, but she was in my room every night.
but certainly, i'm not proud of some of the things i said and did after we broke up. that was when i learned it's a bad fucking idea to try to stay friends with someone you're in love with who stomped all over your heart. it doesn't end well... |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 9:57 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account Staying friends after a breakup will lead to disaster. I've learned from that mistake (the October bitch who lied about breaking up with her boyfriend.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997108) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 9:55 PM Author: Shivering University 1) i've never admitted to anything. in fact, i'll come right out on record here and say that i'm not who you think i am.
2) i'm not the other poster. just me!
3) you, who attend something like the #15 math school, look rather pathetic clinging to this invented "top 15" thing. i'd drop that. it's not prestigious.
4) "I'm in a city full of educated young people; if I don't have a girlfiend by this time a year from now, I'll be disgusted with myself."
is that a promise? disgusted enough with yourself to admit that others maybe, just maybe, might be correct in assessing that YOUR BEHAVIOR is to blame for your girl problems, not some phantom demons stalking in the shadows? please. I hope you're not stringing us along here, mike. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:07 PM Author: Shivering University mike, you have no idea who i am. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997189) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:16 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account You can only prove it one way, and that's by saying who you are. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997267) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:35 PM Author: Shivering University i have nothing to prove to you.
why don't you post when your psycho methods finally yield a real live woman? |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:46 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account Tell me, what are my "psycho methods"? I don't have any methods, but if your ideas sound good, maybe I'll try them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997474) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:52 PM Author: Shivering University http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=273774&mc=181&forum_id=2
rowan criticizes your methods from the female perspective, which makes her comments much more relevant than anything i could post. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:03 PM Author: Shivering University hey pensive, truly prestigious students who study math, science, or engineering topics have one of the national fellowships. these aren't even that rare. between the Hertz, the DoD, and the NSF, there are more than 1000 of them given out EVERY SINGLE YEAR. the top technical grad students (including many dozens of math students) get these awards.
in fact, at the programs that are truly "top" programs, these things are pretty damn common, and not considered all that hard to get.
so... if you're so prestigious, why don't you have one?? |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:04 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account I'll be applying this fall, bitch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997163) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:07 PM Author: Ultramarine Maniacal Fat Ankles Half-breed you see, that can't be me - as far as i know, hertz is a fucking rent a car company... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997187) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:12 PM Author: Shivering University why don't you have one now? prestigious students get them for their first year so they don't have to TA like little bitches. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997233) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:15 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account I don't mind TAing, actually.
It doesn't make any difference whether or not you get one of those in your first or second year, since they're three year fellowships. If you get in 1st year, it expires at the end of your 3rd; if in your 2nd, it expires after your 4th. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:27 PM Author: Shivering University it does indeed make a big difference, since you're more likely to get one in the first year--so if you haven't, your odds are significantly worse in the second year. they prefer "beginning" grad students.
further, your department will like you better if you bring one in, your choice of advisor is MUCH more flexible--and of course, many of the top departments will reconsider a rejection or move you off of a waitlist if they know you bring in funding. those three little letters ("NSF") could've changed wisconsin into harvard for you.
seriously, i think you know that these fellowships aren't all that rare, that virtually all of the top-tier technical grad students get them, and that the fact that you don't have one places you out of that group. ESPECIALLY if you don't win one this time around, i think you also know that you really have no more basis for claiming such extreme prestige. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:31 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account Most of what determines whether or not a person gets one of those fellowships, alas, is how early he or she specializes. I have no idea what problem I'm going to work on.
I have a better shot this time around, only because there are professors at UW who know how to get these fellowships, and also because my senior year Putnam score was good. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:37 PM Author: Shivering University uh, no. just make shit up. that's what most people do.
tick-tock, mike. bring home one of those babies or shut the FUCK up about your endless prestige. (really, though, you should shut the fuck up anyway--the TRUE upper echelon has their fellowships already in hand upon starting grad school). |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:48 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account You aren't even in a math PhD program, or anything nearing that in terms of prestige. You should shut the fuck up because you have no right to comment on anything related to prestige. You don't even use proper capitalization. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997484) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:53 PM Author: Shivering University you know nothing about me or where i am or what i'm doing. and frankly, it doesn't matter. for all you know, i'm a fucking US senator and i sleep with prestigious girls every night.
this thread is about you and confronting the real reasons you can't get a woman. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 10:58 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account This thread wasn't even started by me, but by someone who wanted to piss me off.
I'm pretty confident of who you are, given all the shit you've admitted, including to a moniker I created to entrap you.
Moreover, you have nothing to say about my ability to "get a woman", since I was on an unfair and impossible playing field for 4 years. If I don't have a girlfriend by this time next year, then you'll maybe have a case. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 11:06 PM Author: Shivering University "If I don't have a girlfriend by this time next year, then you'll maybe have a case."
i thought it was going to happen in january?
but ok, you've got a deal. if you've got a girlfriend next year, i'll be at least moderately convinced that you've reformed yourself (finally). if not, well... the proof's in the pudding, eh? |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 11:10 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account January? I don't know; one can never predict the future. If I don't have one by this time next year (or at least have had one; I can be single at the exact time) that'll be 23 without a serious relationship, the age at which self-pwnage starts to become the best option. However, I trust that I will not stumble into such an unprestigious fate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997691) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 11:11 PM Author: Shivering University you know that your 6-day thing wasn't an actual relationship, right (in particular, because the other party didn't even think it was)? other posters have pointed that out pretty consistently. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997710) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 11:14 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account Yeah, I don't take it very seriously. It was an extremely unprestigious fling, and nothing more. While I hate being 22 and not having had a relationship (I don't mind being single now, as given the grad school life transition I would be now anyway, so much as I fucking hate the empty record; I beat the shit out of myself every day over it) I don't want that shit as my first relationship, so I don't count it. That girl was an indecisive headcase. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=271117&forum_id=2#3997728) |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 11:17 PM Author: Shivering University now you're talking reasonably. i'm honestly surprised.
keep it up, admit to yourself (doesn't matter if you do it here, though that would help--but admit to YOURSELF) that you (not outside stalkers or carls or women) have been the primary cause of your dating issues in the past, stop trying to "pwn" anyone or demonstrate prestige, and you will most likely have a nice girl by next year. |
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Date: October 7th, 2005 11:21 PM Author: mind-boggling house community account You're surprised that I admitted an unprestigious six-day fling was not a relationship? I'm tempted to deny that it ever happened.
I admit that I'm partly at fault for the empty record. I didn't have any girlfriends in high school, or during the college years outside of Carleton. That's my fault. However, many people get the majority if not all of their relationships through school, and I just didn't have that opportunity, even if on my best behavior, for the last three years of college. |