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Date: March 2nd, 2013 11:56 PM Author: cream splenetic piazza
http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leiter/2013/03/we-get-mail-thomas-r-grover-esq-edition.html
For criticizing Mr. Campos last week, I received the following insolent e-mail:
You’re a “Law and ______” Professor, not a lawyer. How would you know how to ‘think like a lawyer’?
Thomas R. Grover, Esq.
Goodsell & Olsen, LLP
10155 W. Twain Ave., Ste. 100
Las Vegas, NV 89147
Tel: (702) 869-6261
Fax: (702 869-8243
Cell: (702) 900-3003
tom@goodsellolsen.com
www.goodsellolsen.com
Mr. Grover is a recent law graduate of the University of Nebraska, one of those law schools that students should still be considering, even in the current market, and notwithstanding Mr. Grover. But it is odd that he thinks that being a lawyer and a philosopher involves a contraction, rather than an expansion, of knowledge and competence. In any case, I replied to Mr. Grover as follows:
Dear Mr. Grover,
Are you actually an attorney at the firm in question? If so, why do you not appear on the website? Do your supervisors know that you are using the firm’s e-mail to send impertinent and juvenile messages to other professionals?
“Thinking like a lawyer” refers to a style of reasoning and analysis that is exemplified in the law section of appellate briefs and in judicial opinions; I assume you must be familiar with both genres. It encompasses, for example, the use of analogical reasoning to distinguish precedents or propose extensions or developments of existing doctrine, but also involves techniques of statutory and constitutional construction, the use of arguments from authority, facility with the law/fact distinctions, and so on. Again, merely looking at the chapter headings of Schauer’s book Thinking Like a Lawyer would illuminate this apparently opaque topic for you. Alternatively, you might read Edward Levi’s classic book An Introduction to Legal Reasoning; Mr. Levi was the former Dean of my Law School, as well as former Attorney General of the United States.
Of course, there are more skills involved in being a lawyer than thinking like a lawyer. There is industry-specific knowledge, know-how with respect to how local courts or regulatory agencies approach statutory language, rhetorical talent, as well as a range of psychological and interpersonal skills that are important. For example, most good lawyers I know, among my family and friends, exhibit maturity and professional judgment, that would prevent them from sending insolent e-mails from their’s firm account to other professionals. I will be sure to send a copy of this entire correspondence to the name partners of your firm.
I do think we law professors, and especially those with blogs, have been far too tolerant of malicious and unprofessional conduct by usually anonymous or pseudonymous lawyers and students. Mr. Grover deserves credit for signing his name to his stupidity, and, of course, his intervention is a relatively mild example of juvenile nonsense emanating from putative lawyers. I've generally let most of this garbage pass in silence, but in the coming weeks I'm going to be posting a bit more about some alleged legal professionals whose on-line conduct deserves to be aired in public. I especially welcome more information on a sick individual using the pseudonym "dybbuk," who is, among other pathetic characteristics, obsessed with the appearance of female law faculty, and who fantasizes on-line about spanking them with wet slippers, among other charming attributes. He is a Washington & Lee law graduate, and a public defender, and we will have more to say about him soon. But I welcome any further details from readers.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22744293) |
Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:23 AM Author: Pontificating old irish cottage principal's office
"I do think we law professors, and especially those with blogs, have been far too tolerant of malicious and unprofessional conduct by usually anonymous or pseudonymous lawyers and students"
I totally agree, tokyorose
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22745651) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:36 AM Author: fighting french ladyboy pit
it's just really petty and immature.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22745676)
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:30 AM Author: fighting french ladyboy pit
"But it is odd that he thinks that being a lawyer and a philosopher involves a contraction..."
lol
but what a fucking dick tho
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22745659) |
Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:32 AM Author: Pontificating old irish cottage principal's office
"For example, most good lawyers I know, among my family and friends, exhibit maturity and professional judgment, that would prevent them from sending insolent e-mails from their’s firm account to other professionals. "
"Their's," tokyorose? Really? Now THAT may well be a "contraction" of knowledge. THAT'S NOT SCHOLARSHIP.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22745666) |
Date: March 3rd, 2013 9:40 AM Author: fighting french ladyboy pit
damn steve, you really hate leiter dood
was that ur email?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22745689) |
Date: March 3rd, 2013 1:34 PM Author: Thirsty jade cumskin
How many lockers do you think Leiter got stuffed into in Jr. High? How many trash cans?
This guy is so small as a person it is amazing. I don't think he could find the higher road if you spotted his troll ass the phonebook.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22746483) |
Date: March 3rd, 2013 1:57 PM Author: Balding station messiness
"I especially welcome more information on a sick individual using the pseudonym "dybbuk," who is, among other pathetic characteristics, obsessed with the appearance of female law faculty, and who fantasizes on-line about spanking them with wet slippers (though that is only the tip of the iceberg of his malevolent conduct towards and harassment of individuals behind the cloak of pseudonymity). He is a Washington & Lee law graduate from the 1990s, and an appellate public defender, and we will have more to say about him soon. But I welcome any further details from readers."
LOL wtf is wrong with this guy that he goes around wanting to out people, and much more thinks he is doing a service to the world for doing it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22746586) |
Date: March 3rd, 2013 4:06 PM Author: Deranged center dog poop
Some dood "You dont practice law and it appears you are also a philosophy professor. What do you know about thinking like a lawyer?"
Leiter: "I KNOW SCHOLARSHIP SIR AND YOU ARE UNPROFESSIONAL, I shall inform your firm of this slight."
What would happen if someone actually said something rude to this douche?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22747460) |
Date: March 3rd, 2013 4:09 PM Author: Ruby Milk Base
"...and who fantasizes on-line about spanking them with wet slippers, among other charming attributes."
I was expecting a Fresh Prince transition right about there.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22747475) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2013 10:23 PM Author: fighting french ladyboy pit
Would he win?
Might be prudent though.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22750546) |
Date: March 4th, 2013 12:07 AM Author: unhinged razzle rigor gaming laptop
1) I wonder if his decision to take this random-guy-who-e-mailed-him is just his form of "outing" - which he's seen work to devastating effect on xo.
2) When you descend into the mud to wrestle with your lowest critics, no matter who wins, you're still covered in mud. I predict this will not end well for Leiter.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22751595) |
Date: March 4th, 2013 12:51 AM Author: Brindle galvanic double fault
First, hi Leiter! We know you're here, you roly poly little scholarship baker.
Next, I hope that shitlaw firm files a lawsuit against you. Would you settle just to stay out of big scary Las Vegas? Or would your scholarship be the new Thunder From Down Under
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22752012) |
Date: March 8th, 2013 11:35 AM Author: cream splenetic piazza
MARCH 8 UPDATE: It wont' surprise any readers to learn that Paul Campos is angry with me--after all, his malicious and dishonest conduct has made him a pariah in his own profession. I certainly did my part to call attention to his malfeasance, but I underestimated the extent to which he would turn into a pathological liar in order to seek his vengeance. Over the last week (I have been abroad at a conference, with only intermittent internet access and so may not even have seen everything), Campos has completely lost it, descending into an amazing paranoid abyss of libel, accusing me, falsely, of, inter alia, cyber-stalking, posting pseudonymously on "Top Law Schools," even posting "hundreds" (!) of comments on his absurd blog (while the others may just be reckless false allegations, the last one he has to know is false, since he has access to the ISP information), and so on. He has not, at least of this writing, accused me of genocide or torturing puppies. And he has apparently inspired one of his followers to hack someone`s email account. Classy! Apart from his general animosity towards me, I can only surmise that he's lost it because I did pursue the identity, successfully, of one of his cyber-friends ("dybbuk") who Campos conveniently neglects to mention had the habit of bullying, insulting and defaming junior faculty and students (including one of mine), and I did succeed in getting his worst bit of libel deleted and he has now fallen silent. Oddly, Campos, who is now waging a jihad against Faculty Lounge, doesn't realize why no one will return his e-mails, and it's the same reason almost no one signed his petition for law school transparency: his colleagues consider him a creep and untrustworthy, and so they just steer clear. Indeed, "dybbuk's" identity was volunteered by someone Campos pissed all over during his little scam jihad, so, ironically, he has only himself to blame for the mess his cyber-friend is currently in.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22779360) |
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Date: March 8th, 2013 11:44 AM Author: fighting french ladyboy pit
ljl at having intermittent internet access but using it to continually post under terrible monikers that are clearly his
ljl at Campos not having the respect of crooks and liars and thieves
ljl at Campos even caring
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22779400) |
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Date: March 8th, 2013 2:17 PM Author: Henna Provocative Orchestra Pit Trump Supporter
*Posts update to LEITER REPORTS*
*waits 30 seconds*
*calls up closest ally in the legal scholarship world*
"Hey Bill- did you see the new post? Well then I won't ruin it for you, but it's safe to say I've done it again. Enjoy!"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22780384) |
Date: March 8th, 2013 3:49 PM Author: Bossy cruel-hearted library Subject: Paul Campos, an hero
An Hero, Paul Campos, on the Faculty Lounge comments:
"I would have thought it was impossible for me to have a lower opinion of Brian Leiter’s moral character, and/or deeper suspicions about his mental health, but then I read his astonishingly mendacious response to the claims in these posts. Suffice it to say (for now) that Leiter manages to give the impression that he’s denying the truth of what I wrote without actually denying almost anything. He doesn’t deny that he’s “Peter Aduren,” he doesn’t deny that he sent emails to the formerly anonymous people with whom I spoke (and who considered these emails to be cyber-harrassment), and he doesn’t even deny that Dan Filler wrongfully and quite possibly illegally disclosed the email addresses of these people to him after they provided confidential information to TFL, in order to post at that site. The record, I think, pretty much now speaks for itself."
http://www.thefacultylounge.org/2013/03/michael-schill-a-finalist-to-lead-uw-madison.html#comments
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22780993) |
Date: March 28th, 2013 12:29 AM Author: Garnet degenerate
LEITER GETS THE LAST WORD:
AND A FINAL WORD: Crazy Campos’s jihad against Dan Filler has come to an end, not with Campos apologizing, but with his continuing to cast aspersions on Filler and others at TFL, even though, as I noted last Friday, he’s been barking up the wrong tree all along (he apparently has little sense of the depth and breadth of enmity towards him and his crew, and it extends well beyond those who blog--I will, in any case, not name my sources, who did the morally correct thing in exposing scoundrels and creeps, but who do not deserve to be harassed and defamed by those who want to harass and defame with impunity). There also turns out to be quite a bit of backstory about what’s been going on at Colorado, that will perhaps come out in time, and which may explain Campos’s slightly insane and obsessive behavior in the last week. Anyway, I’ll give the final word about this freak show to a colleague elsewhere, who wrote to me last week regarding the pseudonymous and anonymous trolls: “I, for one, hope that you put the fear of god into them. I've been unable to avoid the consistent spamming our normal blogs have taken over the last year from the likes of these schmoes ('MacK' and the others main perpetrators), one can only hope that they're cowering in a corner thinking back on the foolishness of repeatedly attempting to defame and intimidate honest and well-meaning educators. It's one of the worst symptoms of the right-wing anti-intellectualism that seems to get frothier in this country each election cycle. As for our friend in the rocky mountain state, I really think he's either run into some well-deserved, serious career problem (other than lacking all talent as a scholar) or has gone wholly round the bend.” As some readers pointed out, even Campos's many false allegations may have the salutary effect of making the bottom-feeders in cyberspace (including Campos's dozen-or-so trolls) a bit more cautious going forward.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#22893813) |
Date: June 17th, 2013 2:35 PM Author: Rough-skinned Lime Locale Knife
I just looked this Grover guy up. He's pretty much the typical douchey judgey mormon.
Now he runs guided tours at a museum in vegas and volunteers for the republican party.
While leiter is a douche, those two belong together.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23415025) |
Date: June 17th, 2013 9:56 PM Author: Confused curious jap
So this guy was clearly insolent to Leiter, Leiter publishes the email, and somehow Leiter did something wrong?
I know you guys don't like him, but come on.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23417961) |
Date: June 17th, 2013 10:05 PM Author: Federal Fishy Electric Furnace
my favorite part is how Campos outted him for using a sock puppet on TLS to pimp the prestigious law faculty at U of C. "They have Nussbaum and Leiter." LOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
What a fucking child.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23418036) |
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Date: June 18th, 2013 12:13 AM Author: honey-headed hell
At my high school there were these things we use to call cleeks. There was cool kids. Not so cool kids. Band geeks. Drama weirdos. Jocks. Others. Within these cleeks(and without) there was also lots of Hierarchys. (This is where some better then other's- some on the rise some on the fall- some pretty some not-ect)
Brian (he use to sit in fron of me in US history AP) was fascainated by all these differing's rankings. (See where Im' headed). He use to like to analyze the different social structure's of the highschool (a VERY mathematical/anaytical mind). And I would hear about it from him a lot before class. "Last year Tamika was more popular then Sharon but this year I think Sharon has passed her by". "Kim lost her boyfriend and ever since- popularity down the tube's". "Two year's ago I'd of never thought Russell would be popular but ever since he went out for water polo". Et cetera. I even got the ranking's of my self(not going to say what they were-Privacy issue's).
Unfortunately. The popular kids didn't relly like Brian be so observeant like this. (I think they just self conscious). He use to get put in garbage cans. Once duct taped to a pole(the flagpole no less-add insult to injury). There was the time he was tied up(tape over mouth/hands behind back/legs) and put in the girls lockerrom shower. It was something bad(I use to fell sorry for him- thats why I would listen to his ranking's). But he used his BRAIN to overcome because this is why he joined the football team. He explained to me that by his calculation's it was the most optimal way to improve his Popularity.
But so Brian perservered. "This is information people need" he use to say. He would half the time tell me his new rankings(at some point it became alittle newsletter he started typing/distribute from his Mac himself at own cost-because school newspaper wouldn't allow) and spend the other half the time tell me why his rankings so important/useful for people to have. I kind of admire him for this. he RELLY took it seriously.
So you see? Looking back (in retroscept) I now realize that these were the very ORIGINAL Leiter Reports. (He didn't call it this. He called it something liek "Brian's Picks - Whose Hot whose not".
The format was something different(he had many many different categories- Best Dressed Girl, Buffest Guy, Biggest Party Hardier ect) but its amazing to see how all the basic ingredients were there. Who would know that he would grow up to do the same type of thing for a living. Its helarious/charming in a way(Like end of Animal house where you see what they do when they grow up). It makes total sense the more you thing about it.
http://iraqwarwrong.blogspot.com/2005/06/original-leiter-reports.html?m=1
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23419343) |
Date: June 22nd, 2013 7:33 PM Author: fantasy-prone ultramarine senate skinny woman
Sad:
http://www.linkedin.com/in/tomgrover
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23452723) |
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Date: June 24th, 2013 12:19 AM Author: ebony irradiated potus
This is sad.
He edited it. Maybe he's still employed?
Is this proof that Tom Grover is a poaster? He seems beta enough to be hiding in his basement poasting.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2196839&forum_id=2#23461562) |
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