from the NYT:

"The court ruling was the correct one.

As the arbitration panel noted, science has not conclusively shown that elevated testosterone provides women with more of a significant competitive edge than factors like nutrition, access to coaching and training facilities, and other genetic and biological variations."

The New York Times is now reduced to arguing that testosterone hasn't been "conclusively shown" to give an advantage in physical performance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31228174)

http://www.newyorker.com/news/sporting-scene/caster-semenya-and-the-logic-of-olympic-competition

Whole series is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31228270)

That's literally it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31228643)

So "science" had to "conclusively show" that "elevated testosterone" provided a "MORE SIGNIFICANT competitive edge" than "nutrition, access to coaching and training facilities, and other genetic and biological variations"

Because showing that it provided a competitive edge wouldn't be sufficient would it libs?

Ljl at this mental gymnastics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31228871)

it's worthy of beating the shit out of the person making the argument

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31229785)

Either way the relative significance is a nonsensical standard to apply but I really don't give a fuck because women's sporttts are flame and will hopefully be abolished as a natural result of SJW ideology and policies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31230736)

Of course they don't mention that when she was (edit) *not* forced to take testosterone inhibitors, her time went from around 2:06- average for a female college runner- to 1:57, which is the best in the world.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31228406)

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/summer-olympics/athletics/womensolympics2016?ev_oc_grp_ids=2245236

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31228412)

https://twitter.com/Phe800/status/738778124679159808

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31228423)

Reap what you sow libs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31228425)

http://citizentv.co.ke/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/NYAIRERA-POSE.jpg

libs, explain yourselves.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31228427)

https://mycdn.athleticsafrica.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/francine-niyonsaba-portland2016d-1050x788.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31228444)

But genital testing was banned anyway.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31228581)

If I had a daughter, I'd want her to be able to meaningfully participate on sports of that's what she wanted.

But I'm also happy to see shitlib nonsense collapse under the weight of its own absurdity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31229635)

difference? should we create leagues/competitions for every tier of genetic athletic ability?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31229699)

But I'm happy to distinguish freaks from normals.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31229739)

there's prize money, millions of dollars in endorsement fees, national glory all one the line, and we're going to cheat women out of it so we don't hurt the feelings of about .0001% of the population?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31228564)

Everyone with even the least bit of objectivity realizes that having male testosterone levels (and having the physiology of someone who went physically matured as a male) should disqualify you from competing with women.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31228588)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Wambui

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Margaret_Wambui_Rio_2016.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31228741)

*bans steroid use in men*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31228678)

compare it to the US 4x100. some of them are a bit buff but definitely 100% standard woman.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31228725)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31228898)

No one knows why the 800 seems to have become the event in which intersex women are most dominant. One suggestion: The sprints require a certain amount of technique and specialized coaching, not readily available to athletes from developing countries, whereas an 800-meter runner can rely more on raw power.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31228828)

this can only be a fluke coincidence.

herms will have huge advantages at all distances

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31229804)

Their life is already difficult enough without the whole world debating if they are a man or woman. Their not transgenders who chose this life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31229180)

Those other girls are losing out to someone because their genetics make them more athletic. This is not dissimilar to the plight of literally anyone in the world else except the three people on the podium.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31229291)

IIRC the limit is something comically high, like 5 SDs above top 5% or whatever.

edit: it's even stricter than that

The researchers took the average testosterone levels of women with a condition called Polycystic Ovary Syndrome, which was already elevated at 4.5 nmol/L, and then added 5 SD to it.

The addition of 3 SD (which created a level of 7.5 nmol/L) would have meant that 16 in 1000 athletes would exceed the cutoff. That’s why the extra 2 SD were added, to make sure that the upper limit would apply only to those with hyperandrogenism (or those who are doping).

99% of female athletes, by the way, had testosterone levels below 3.08 nmol/L. So the upper limit of 10 nmol/L was three fold higher than a level that applies to 99 in 100 women participants.

so that means you're adding five standard deviations to a group which already averaged 50% higher test than the top 1%. that's basically a complete fucking moonshot relative to the likelihood someone is just doping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31229317)

Also, why can't we just test for Y chromosomes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31229604)

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/sports/fivering_circus/2016/07/160725_FRC_sports-division-Caster-Semenya.jpg.CROP.promo-xlarge2.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31229230)

it's hilarious to see SJW bloggers opine on this when the women actually competing generally are of a different opinion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31229277)

Who cares what sex they consider themselves, how much testosterone they have, whether they have testies or ovaries, or if their genetic profile is male or female.

The men's race is the only prestigious race in the world bc it has the fastest time. Nobody who is eligible to run with men will choose to run with women instead bc of the gold. That's like Justin Gatlin doing the Special Olympics 200m just for the medal.

At the end of the day, you run in the women's race because that's the only box you can check, not because the field is easier to win in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31229429)

- penis

- testes (descended or not)

- Y chromosome

That should work, shouldn't it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31229689)

she's a man for the purpose of distinguishing between men and women in sex-segregated sports.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31230441)

I am LIB as FUCK, but I'm not sure about this.

No one has accurately written what the situation is. IMO, women's sports are there for the purpose of giving biological women a place to showcase their talents, hard work. "Biological men" or "biologically intersex" competitors should compete in the men's competitions. This is regardless of their gender identity

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31230690)

(my bet)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3327485&forum_id=2#31231651)