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Is a 2nd major championship more important in tennis or golf?

Very tough question. My initial reaction was golf. Golf r...
narrow-minded temple
  07/17/19
easy answer. 2nd GOLF slam is way more important. even p...
purple lay
  07/17/19
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curious athletic conference clown
  07/17/19
Yeah it's obviously this. No one cares about different surfa...
Multi-colored well-lubricated school hominid
  07/17/19
I think you are overstating this a little bit. In particular...
narrow-minded temple
  07/17/19
although, another way to look at it is impact on one's caree...
narrow-minded temple
  07/17/19
cr
Drunken charismatic headpube
  07/18/19
idk enough about tennis to comment but there are about half ...
obsidian tattoo
  07/17/19
yes, that's exactly what i was getting at with my poast abov...
narrow-minded temple
  07/17/19
yeah. although lol at listing jason day but not dustin johns...
obsidian tattoo
  07/17/19
I was just picking good players with 10+ tour wins. It wasn'...
narrow-minded temple
  07/17/19
Who is the last American male to win a tennis major
Wild Nubile Piazza
  07/17/19
Serena Williams 2017 Australian Open
narrow-minded temple
  07/17/19
But about non black winner
Wild Nubile Piazza
  07/17/19
Andy Roddick
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Date: July 17th, 2019 9:43 PM
Author: narrow-minded temple

Very tough question.

My initial reaction was golf. Golf results tend to be a little more random, which means that you get a decent number of no-name or journeyman players who win one major, but that number drops dramatically at 2+. You generally have to be a pretty good player to win 2+ majors.

Tennis, however, is a bit more consistent, and you don't get tons of 1x champions, and those who are 1x champions are usually pretty good players who get a favorable draw (i.e. good matchups late) or just play really well over the 2 weeks.

I do think the one caveat for tennis is the different surfaces. showing prowess on different surfaces is pretty important in tennis history, and so a player who takes 2 major titles on different surfaces (e.g., Halep on grass and clay, or Hewitt on hard court and grass) really sets himself apart from not only the 1x players but also the players who win 2-3 titles on one surface.

One point that cuts against golf is that a decent player has a much longer career on tour, and so gets many more chances to win 2 majors. Jim Furyk is a good example. He won the US Open and has had 15 years worth of quite a few good chances to capture that elusive 2nd major. in tennis he would have retired a year or two after his major win.

So I think my answer is as follows:

1. Tennis, if the 2nd major is on two different surfaces

2. Golf

3. Tennis, if the 2nd major is on the same surface

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Date: July 17th, 2019 10:27 PM
Author: purple lay

easy answer. 2nd GOLF slam is way more important.

even putting aside the historically unprecedented big2+lance era where very few guys win a single slam, there are way fewer guys who ever win a single tennis slam than win a single golf slam. so, winning 2x golf slams is a bigger deal and makes you stand out from the pack of scrubs.

winning one tennis slam plus an overall good career makes you a good HOF candidate. but tons of scrubs who have won one golf slam aren't anywhere close to HOF-worthy (is there even a golf HOF?).

and stfu about "surfath". nobody cares about shitmud, breh.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4305042&forum_id=2#38548748)



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Date: July 17th, 2019 10:28 PM
Author: curious athletic conference clown



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Date: July 17th, 2019 10:32 PM
Author: Multi-colored well-lubricated school hominid

Yeah it's obviously this. No one cares about different surfaces

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Date: July 17th, 2019 10:52 PM
Author: narrow-minded temple

I think you are overstating this a little bit. In particular, I think you are overrating guys who have won 2 golf majors (not 2+ as we are talking about the 2nd major).

I just did a count of guys who have won tennis majors in the Open Era -- there have been 54 men who have won a tennis major in the Open Era (or open era + amateur era). 25 men have won a single major, while 29 have won 2+ and 21 have won 3+. So it does actually seem like 2+ gets you into a much rarer club. and that's without talking about surface differences.

Let's take a look at PGA tour players who have won exactly 2 majors since 1968 (when tennis' open era started):

Tony Jacklin

Dave Stockton

Johnny Miller

Hubert Green

Andy North

David Graham

Fuzzy Zoeller

Ben Crenshaw

Sandy Lyle

Bernhard Langer

Greg Norman

Curtis Strange

John Daly

Lee Janzen

José María Olazábal

Mark O'Meara

Retief Goosen

Ángel Cabrera

Zach Johnson

Martin Kaymer

Bubba Watson

There are a fair amount of guys on that list who aren't great players, and while sure the list of guys with only 1 major includes a lot of weak players, it also includes a lot of really strong players -- certainly as strong as players on this list -- especially because (as we always discuss) regular PGA tour wins are more important than ATP tour wins. Guys like Tom Kite, David Duval, Davis Love III, Corey Pavin, Fred Couples, Tom Weiskopf, Craig Stadler, Paul Azinger, Jim Furyk, Jason Day, Sergio Garcia, etc. are all similar quality to most of the 2 major guys.

So again, I'm not sure that the 2nd major is getting most of those guys a lot more cred than the 1 major guys, especially given overall tour play.

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Date: July 17th, 2019 11:00 PM
Author: narrow-minded temple

although, another way to look at it is impact on one's career, and given the way the PGA Tour is structured, 2 major wins reasonably spaced out can give you like 8-12 years on the PGA Tour -- that's life changing.

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Date: July 18th, 2019 9:50 AM
Author: Drunken charismatic headpube

cr

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Date: July 17th, 2019 10:53 PM
Author: obsidian tattoo

idk enough about tennis to comment but there are about half a dozen golfers with 1 major since '92 considered better than all nine who've won their 2nd since crenshaw's last masters win. majors arent everything in golf

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Date: July 17th, 2019 10:55 PM
Author: narrow-minded temple

yes, that's exactly what i was getting at with my poast above.

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Date: July 17th, 2019 11:11 PM
Author: obsidian tattoo

yeah. although lol at listing jason day but not dustin johnson

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Date: July 17th, 2019 11:12 PM
Author: narrow-minded temple

I was just picking good players with 10+ tour wins. It wasn't meant to be exhaustive.

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Date: July 17th, 2019 11:01 PM
Author: Wild Nubile Piazza

Who is the last American male to win a tennis major

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Date: July 17th, 2019 11:02 PM
Author: narrow-minded temple

Serena Williams 2017 Australian Open

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Date: July 17th, 2019 11:42 PM
Author: Wild Nubile Piazza

But about non black winner

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Date: July 17th, 2019 11:45 PM
Author: narrow-minded temple

Andy Roddick

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Date: July 17th, 2019 11:43 PM
Author: purple lay



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Date: July 18th, 2019 11:12 AM
Author: narrow-minded temple



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Date: July 18th, 2019 9:49 AM
Author: narrow-minded temple



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