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The most prestigious law school admissions discussion board in the world. Official DOJ Honors Program (for entry-level positions) Thread Post here with any updates. Currently it looks like they've... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   09/28/07 Referred to components? You mean, if I applied to, e.g., Ci... self-centered aromatic kitty cat field   09/28/07 I assume that's what it means by referred to components. ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   09/28/07 If history is any indication, interview notices will go out ... high-end coldplay fan double fault   09/28/07 Are you sure? I was just looking at my intern's status scre... high-end coldplay fan double fault   09/28/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   09/28/07 T20, Top 1/3, no journal, no moot court. No go on the divis... high-end coldplay fan double fault   09/28/07 I just logged into the avuedigital online application site a... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   09/28/07 The intern is a 3L applied to the Honors Program. I'm nei... high-end coldplay fan double fault   09/28/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   09/28/07 There are two different statuses -- "received by DOJ&qu... high-end coldplay fan double fault   09/28/07 Hey, thanks for the the reply. Yeah I remember last year I ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   09/29/07 SLIP learning disabled stage dysfunction   10/05/07 I'm doing SLIP, status just changed to "referred to com... electric famous landscape painting   10/05/07 oh nice... hadn't checked it today until just now and mine h... learning disabled stage dysfunction   10/05/07 guys from depaul get doj honors all he time. aquamarine cuck nowag   09/28/07 regent, you fool, regent self-centered aromatic kitty cat field   09/28/07 bump for the new week. Think we'll hear anything this early... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   09/30/07 unlikely. maybe in 2 or 3 weeks. self-centered aromatic kitty cat field   09/30/07 So I should panic now if my online status doesn't say referr... Laughsome Orange Pit Incel   10/01/07 mine doesn't either. Aphrodisiac Pearly Whorehouse   10/01/07 did you both apply to AG Honors Program (not SLIP)? Maybe *I... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/01/07 I didn't apply to slip. maybe they're doing it in stages or ... Aphrodisiac Pearly Whorehouse   10/01/07 I submitted my application on the last day it was due... ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/01/07 no idea. who cares, if they want you, they'll give you a cal... Aphrodisiac Pearly Whorehouse   10/01/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/01/07 They call? The website says they e-mail and then you have to... Laughsome Orange Pit Incel   10/01/07 They don't call. You'll get an e-mail and then you'll actua... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/01/07 Okay, at least this isn't totally unprecedented. high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/01/07 ... Brass property personal credit line   10/01/07 I applied to the AG's Honors Program for entry-level attorne... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/01/07 Did you double check your application and confirm that you s... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/01/07 I've rechecked my application multiple times. I am suspicio... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/02/07 Say several classmates have told you that their status has n... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/02/07 I've seen at least one other application that says "Ref... Jet-lagged ungodly bawdyhouse   10/02/07 Ok, thanks. I wonder why the discrepancies? comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/02/07 This smacks of "mission exigency." high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/02/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/03/07 Your status will change and you will also get an e-mail tell... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/03/07 How soon after one's status changes does one get said email? comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/03/07 Dunno. Check your spam folder. Are you saying you change... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/03/07 some applications have changed to selected for interview. I... Jet-lagged ungodly bawdyhouse   10/03/07 Do you know whether different divisions can see whether othe... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/03/07 I think the answer to the first question is no, and the answ... Jet-lagged ungodly bawdyhouse   10/03/07 I think you're right. I don't know anything about the non-D... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/03/07 I wanted to do the DOJ, but the website states that it's not... bearded elite reading party   10/03/07 Most people who do DOJ 2L year split their summer with a fir... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/03/07 DOJ Honors --App sent to DOJ. Fragrant Meetinghouse Laser Beams   10/03/07 For those who have not had a status change to "referred... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/03/07 OARM called her to tell her that? Or she received a phone ca... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/03/07 Dude, seriously . . . what's your damage? She left a mess... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/03/07 Sorry, I didn't intend to come across as snide. I'm just cur... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/03/07 It probably helps that she is currently a volunteer intern w... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/03/07 Do you think they received fewer apps this year due to all t... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/03/07 ... Brass property personal credit line   10/03/07 Pampersis, how long would you expect it to take for the emai... Bull headed passionate institution boistinker   10/03/07 I couldn't tell you, really . . . last year the system sent ... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/03/07 Thanks so much for the response . . . I will take your advic... Bull headed passionate institution boistinker   10/03/07 Wow, sounds like a lot of people were selected for interview... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/03/07 not me! pwnd. self-centered aromatic kitty cat field   10/03/07 lol electric famous landscape painting   10/03/07 ... Pale yarmulke   10/04/07 Any advice for interviews? Also, what's the general hiring ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/03/07 This post is consistent with my experience. high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/03/07 Based on the Greedy Government messageboard, it looks like i... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/03/07 Yes. I did not work for a firm 2L summer, so I had no off... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/03/07 I worked at a firm my 2L summer. In my interview, should I m... Glittery garnet kitchen   10/04/07 Definitely. I got dinged by a prefstigious DA's office my 1L... electric famous landscape painting   10/04/07 Anyone get an email yet? Looking at previous years' thr... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/04/07 interview, but no email Copper arousing lay   10/04/07 i got an interview Copper arousing lay   10/04/07 Are you sure that is for all components? Laughsome Orange Pit Incel   10/04/07 not for all components Copper arousing lay   10/04/07 welcome to yesterday morning Awkward histrionic stage circlehead   10/04/07 selected for interview for: ENRD Copper arousing lay   10/04/07 how do you know? Awkward histrionic stage circlehead   10/04/07 ... Copper arousing lay   10/04/07 very helpful info... thanks for sharing! comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/04/07 I agree with someone above, if you wouldn't mind posting you... Laughsome Orange Pit Incel   10/04/07 why don't you post yours? Awkward histrionic stage circlehead   10/04/07 Because I don't have interviews yet. They only helpful peopl... Laughsome Orange Pit Incel   10/04/07 Got an interview w/ US Department of Justice, LULZCONSTITUTI... electric famous landscape painting   10/04/07 Wow. That's all of them. I IZ IN UR JUSTIZ, TAKIN UR LIBU... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/05/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/04/07 Passing along info from my intern . . . 1. Civil 2. Ci... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/04/07 I hear Civil Rights likes to be listed first. I listed ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/04/07 1. National Security 2. Civil My application status is... self-centered aromatic kitty cat field   10/04/07 1. EOIR 2. Civil Rights Saw it went to "Selected fo... Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   10/04/07 To let you know, you very likely got an interview with EOIR ... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/05/07 Thanks a lot. I'm not really willing to work anywhere, but I... Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   10/05/07 DON'T FORGET TO CHECK YOUR SPAM FOLDER Copper arousing lay   10/04/07 presumably if we've gotten all the other emails from aveudig... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/04/07 sure Copper arousing lay   10/04/07 I got a confirmation when I submitted my application: Dep... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/04/07 hmmm Copper arousing lay   10/04/07 see Copper arousing lay   10/04/07 OK, the emails have started. I need some help. Did I get ... Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   10/05/07 I also had this question, so I just called them -- the lady ... Supple tanning salon messiness   10/05/07 I'll call too, but that's what I suspected. Thanks for that. Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   10/05/07 wow, two interviews congrats. Mind sharing stats? comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/05/07 HLS, somewhere between top 1/2 and top 1/4, tiny journal. Lo... Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   10/05/07 Did everyone else get the most recent email stating that the... Bull headed passionate institution boistinker   10/05/07 i got that Copper arousing lay   10/05/07 this is what it said Copper arousing lay   10/05/07 Right, the email seems to imply that everyone's notification... Bull headed passionate institution boistinker   10/05/07 ditto -- I was selected for the component that I expected I ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/05/07 No. high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/05/07 So are we supposed to go ahead and fax our travel survey? H... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/05/07 yes, fax it in Copper arousing lay   10/05/07 p.s. Copper arousing lay   10/05/07 Everyone has to fax a survey, even if you don't have to trav... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/05/07 just got new confirmation interview email message Copper arousing lay   10/05/07 yeah I got a confirmation, too (from a different division) comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/05/07 I bet the email was sent because of the confusion over wheth... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/05/07 Any rejection e-mails yet? Laughsome Orange Pit Incel   10/05/07 Criminal Interview Question sienna vivacious theater stage mood   10/05/07 i have that q, too Copper arousing lay   10/05/07 I think the odds are not nearly that good. Their website sa... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/05/07 I'm not in the criminal division, but from what I gather, wh... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/05/07 Has anyone heard from the Tax division? btw, I received a... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/06/07 Also, do branch offices make hiring decisions quicker than t... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/06/07 am I screwed if I fax my travel survey today? Awkward histrionic stage circlehead   10/07/07 You may end up with whatever slot is left over. Interview t... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/07/07 no interviews yet Vigorous associate   10/08/07 any advice for writing sample submissions? Copper arousing lay   10/09/07 I don't think it matters what it is. When I went in for my ... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/09/07 Thanks! Copper arousing lay   10/09/07 that doesn't mean that they don't consider it before making ... provocative lilac heaven roommate   10/11/07 Nowhere in that post did I suggest that they didn't. I just... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/11/07 If you interview with 2 components, will they communicate wi... Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   10/10/07 I can only speculate, but I seriously doubt they communicate... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/10/07 1. No they don't communicate, and yes, you could theoretica... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/11/07 Wow, that's interesting. Someone who got an EOIR clerkship o... Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   10/11/07 I suspect it really varies. I was told pointedly in my inte... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/11/07 Cool, that makes a lot of sense, and I just heard of someone... Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   10/11/07 Does anyone have a sense of how much the interview matters? ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/10/07 On that note, does anyone have a feeling for whether supervi... Bull headed passionate institution boistinker   10/11/07 The DOJ uses what they call a "reference voucher" ... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/11/07 this must either not be true for all divisions, or has been ... Very Tactful Headpube Macaca   11/06/07 1. It depends. I have always gotten the sense that the int... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/11/07 Thanks pampersis, very helpful. BTW - I just got my faxed i... Bull headed passionate institution boistinker   10/11/07 travel information Copper arousing lay   10/11/07 Anyone else get their travel info? I haven't yet, figure I'l... Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   10/12/07 Did you request an interview in the first week? I think the... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/12/07 I got travel info and am scheduled for the second week. comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/12/07 BUMP - anyone else NOT gotten travel info for the honors pro... Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   10/16/07 if you're expecting the fax to come into your career office,... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/17/07 is a legal memo (written as an SA) acceptable for a writing ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/11/07 Get permission from the firm to use it. If it's related to ... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/11/07 i obviously have permission, but it's not really related to ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/11/07 If it's your best legal writing, then use it. high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/11/07 Since no one is answering my question in the SLIP thread, I ... electric famous landscape painting   10/11/07 hello DOJ people: my friend has a first round interview comi... Soul-stirring station stock car   10/11/07 SLIP or HP? If it's HP, she's already in the door, and th... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/11/07 Has anyone heard from national security division? I think I... self-centered aromatic kitty cat field   10/12/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/12/07 Current Status has changed from "Received by DOJ" ... Laughsome Orange Pit Incel   10/15/07 Mine still says "Selected for Interview." sorry d... concupiscible prole temple   10/15/07 Same here, "Received by DOJ" to nothing. Floppy box office love of her life   10/15/07 mine did that too Vigorous associate   10/15/07 do we know precisely what the blank status means yet? Floppy box office love of her life   10/15/07 what does it take to get an interview? T-20, LR, moot cou... Vigorous associate   10/15/07 I am T14, top 25%ish, secondary journal, prior non-slip DOJ ... concupiscible prole temple   10/15/07 I guess I should have thrown salt over my shoulder and rubbe... Vigorous associate   10/15/07 what'd you write for your essays? I think those can make a b... concupiscible prole temple   10/15/07 me too, but I'm not good at those "tell me anything abo... Vigorous associate   10/15/07 stats Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/02/07 what does it take to get an interview? Copper arousing lay   10/16/07 titcr. I think they're eating up my 1L volunteer DOJ interns... electric famous landscape painting   10/16/07 did you get an interview with the component you interned at?... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/16/07 no. electric famous landscape painting   10/16/07 ... electric famous landscape painting   10/15/07 got my official rejection email today. self-centered aromatic kitty cat field   10/16/07 Sorry dooder. It's such a crapshoot. comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/16/07 apparently it was. i had good stats. maybe my essays weren... self-centered aromatic kitty cat field   10/16/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/16/07 do they still favor tier 4 godlaw? Shimmering cumskin   10/16/07 Regent Law = Autoadmit electric famous landscape painting   10/17/07 The OCI thank-you email discussion got me thinking: should w... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/17/07 selected as finalist Copper arousing lay   10/18/07 From my experience I got the offer 2 days after changing for... chocolate candlestick maker   10/18/07 How is your application moving so quickly? Is ENRD done int... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/18/07 haven't interviewed yet Copper arousing lay   10/18/07 Interviews don't even start until Monday. She hasn't interv... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/19/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/19/07 got an email from avue stating that all travel has been arra... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/19/07 ... Pale yarmulke   10/22/07 What do folks know about time frame from interview to offers... Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   10/23/07 AFAIK, all components wait until all interviews have been co... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/24/07 do you know the timeline for field offices that hire only on... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/24/07 Nope. I have absolutely no experience with field offices. high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/24/07 OK yeah, the Civil interviewer told me that OARM wants the c... Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   10/26/07 travel mess up - check your email Copper arousing lay   10/24/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/24/07 Can people please share stories of having bombed DOJ honors ... Pale yarmulke   10/24/07 How bad do you think you bombed? And why? high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/24/07 not horrible but far from a "good" interview. my ... Pale yarmulke   10/24/07 As long as you convinced the person that being a DOJ attorne... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/26/07 ... crusty menage ape   10/24/07 I do know someone who interviewed for an EOIR clerkship two ... Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   10/26/07 Interview... hideous goal in life   10/24/07 My interviews (EOIR and Civil) were more getting-to-know-you... Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   10/26/07 That's pretty consistent with what I've heard. The intervie... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/26/07 Travel and Interview Jade outnumbered jew   10/26/07 which divisions? comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/26/07 I had the same experience. One interview was really tough w... Sable patrolman   10/29/07 if you get an offer from one of your divisions, does anyone ... exhilarant maniacal set   10/27/07 I believe you are permitted to express preferences, but most... high-end coldplay fan double fault   10/27/07 Anyone interview with ATR DC division yet? Bull headed passionate institution boistinker   10/29/07 I did. Have you? Sable patrolman   10/29/07 No, not yet. Had not heard anything (good or bad) about ATR... Bull headed passionate institution boistinker   10/30/07 Why do you ask? comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/29/07 make sure you. . . Copper arousing lay   10/31/07 Litigation experience? comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   10/31/07 clerkships Copper arousing lay   11/09/07 SLIP interview Marvelous violent athletic conference gas station   10/31/07 this thread is only about entry level positions. there's ano... Pale yarmulke   10/31/07 At what stage are references contacted? comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/01/07 I'm curious about this too. do they contact all interviewees... Pale yarmulke   11/01/07 bump comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/02/07 ... crusty menage ape   11/02/07 I doubt we'll hear anything until after next week, since tha... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/02/07 ... crusty menage ape   11/02/07 Not until quite late in the process. They are asked questio... high-end coldplay fan double fault   11/03/07 a classmate said that their references were getting calls la... Big Indirect Expression   11/03/07 need advice Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/02/07 I don't think it's a problem. They're interviewing students... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/02/07 Thanks Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/03/07 Sounds like he was being honest. comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/03/07 Qs-Mainly EOIR, not to be annoying! Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/03/07 I really have no basis to answer your questions, but I don't... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/03/07 1. According to internal numbers, they interviewed about 18... high-end coldplay fan double fault   11/03/07 yikes, that's discouraging. it's high compared to the other... Big Indirect Expression   11/03/07 Don't be discouraged. I believe the 600-800 number is the n... high-end coldplay fan double fault   11/04/07 exactly. 180/30 = 6 600 to 800/150 = 4 to 5.3 Big Indirect Expression   11/04/07 You wouldn't happen to have any ATR SLIP numbers re: number ... puce site jap   11/03/07 ... Big Indirect Expression   11/03/07 As I've said in multiple other posts, I have no idea what go... high-end coldplay fan double fault   11/04/07 How much emphasis does EOIR put on immigration experience? I... Carmine indian lodge friendly grandma   11/05/07 Hi- I'm wondering the same thing actually. Since starting la... Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/05/07 Yeah sounds like we're both in pretty much the same boat. I ... Carmine indian lodge friendly grandma   11/05/07 well it's a good sign that you were both selected to intervi... Big Indirect Expression   11/05/07 I agree. FYI, the only person I know in EOIR went to my scho... Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/05/07 bump. how have everyone's interviews been going? anyone hea... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/05/07 I heard from a friend in the DOJ that they have been discuss... Sable patrolman   11/06/07 Interviewers in our division have been e-mailing interview r... high-end coldplay fan double fault   11/06/07 bump. comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/07/07 has anyone's references been called? A friend of mine said ... Big Indirect Expression   11/08/07 Yeah, mine were called. They called just a couple days afte... Well-lubricated corner   11/08/07 which division? comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/09/07 Selected as Finalist Jade outnumbered jew   11/08/07 mine isn't. Is yours (or anyone you know)? comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/08/07 Me neither. Well-lubricated corner   11/08/07 me neither Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/09/07 My status still says "selected for interview". I d... Copper arousing lay   11/09/07 In some divisions your references aren't contacted unless yo... high-end coldplay fan double fault   11/09/07 You're referring to EOIR, right? And that's only after your ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/09/07 okay. my references WERE contacted. it's lame that this make... Copper arousing lay   11/09/07 so it sounds like everyone's references get contacted pretty... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/09/07 Well, no reference was contacted (at least not the one I tal... Jade outnumbered jew   11/09/07 division, please! edit: if you don't want to post it, wou... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/09/07 Nope, won't reveal division, but I interviewed the very firs... Jade outnumbered jew   11/09/07 c'mon dooder Pale yarmulke   11/09/07 Don't Buy It spectacular plaza   11/09/07 :) Jade outnumbered jew   11/14/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/14/07 not contacted Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/10/07 References spectacular plaza   11/10/07 There are some posts on the "Greedy Government" (h... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/10/07 I only had one reference contacted... by the Tax Division. ... Sable patrolman   11/10/07 anyone's status change for eoir to finalist??? Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/13/07 Didn't interview with eoir but status has not changed from &... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/13/07 yea good point. but some of the other posts above had starte... Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/13/07 Status Changed to Finalist & Question trip massive native   11/14/07 tough situation. I would call the judge and explain the sit... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/14/07 I'd accept the clerkship, and wait and see how DOJ pans out.... chrome mentally impaired public bath striped hyena   11/14/07 I think that's somewhat optimistic. You can't do the DOJ ho... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/14/07 but you can do DOJ-clerk-DOJ, which is what the OP would do ... chrome mentally impaired public bath striped hyena   11/14/07 Most Honors Attorneys are hired for a 3-year commitment. I ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/14/07 nope, only for LRAP. chrome mentally impaired public bath striped hyena   11/14/07 I sincerely hope you look into this. I've been told from ma... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/14/07 By the way, do not call the judge about this. The judge wil... Jade outnumbered jew   11/14/07 Clerk! Jade outnumbered jew   11/14/07 I think you misread OP's post. The clerkship is for '09-10,... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/14/07 clerk! Copper arousing lay   11/14/07 Clarification, and updated scenario: DOJ is no longer the... trip massive native   11/14/07 holy shit, congrats! comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/14/07 Congrats!! Sable patrolman   11/14/07 clerk Copper arousing lay   11/14/07 So it would appear that interview's section has been outed. high-end coldplay fan double fault   11/14/07 maybe more than one division is making offers today? comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/14/07 With the exact same timing? Doubtful. In addition, liter... high-end coldplay fan double fault   11/14/07 hmmmm Copper arousing lay   11/14/07 How is that the case? I'm sure I'm missing something, as I'... crusty menage ape   11/14/07 interview said that s/he noticed a status change to "se... high-end coldplay fan double fault   11/14/07 Good work. Makes me feel better. crusty menage ape   11/14/07 If you interviewed with Civil, I wouldn't hold your breath. ... high-end coldplay fan double fault   11/14/07 ... crusty menage ape   11/14/07 selected as a finalist Excitant gold locus legal warrant   11/14/07 It appears that ENRD has made offers. high-end coldplay fan double fault   11/14/07 has your status changed to finalist? comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/14/07 not yet - just wanted to see if anything other than ENRD had... Excitant gold locus legal warrant   11/15/07 i've been selected as a finalist, but i don't know for which... godawful point   11/15/07 Congrats! Excitant gold locus legal warrant   11/15/07 It may be too much to ask, but a USAO in what district, or a... stimulating citrine university keepsake machete   11/15/07 It was there before, but he edited. high-end coldplay fan double fault   11/15/07 what makes you think i'm a "he"? CD CA godawful point   11/15/07 Centuries of sexism. high-end coldplay fan double fault   11/15/07 well you're right, but i just wondered anyway. godawful point   11/15/07 crim div has started extending offers exhilarant maniacal set   11/15/07 MUKASEYBUMP! puce site jap   11/14/07 passing a bar exam Excitant gold locus legal warrant   11/14/07 Hahahaha. No. How would they even know? Do you plan to ... high-end coldplay fan double fault   11/14/07 of course they are required to pass - but, out of the ~150 p... Excitant gold locus legal warrant   11/15/07 It's actually not hard to believe at all that virtually no o... high-end coldplay fan double fault   11/15/07 Quite aware. And, there's a spot on the application for bar... Excitant gold locus legal warrant   11/15/07 You asked whether passing a bar exam was relevant to the fin... high-end coldplay fan double fault   11/15/07 With all due respect, I didn't stumble onto the website unti... Excitant gold locus legal warrant   11/15/07 So what you really meant was whether those people who are ad... high-end coldplay fan double fault   11/15/07 DOJ Honors Blog high-end coldplay fan double fault   11/15/07 Thanks! Copper arousing lay   11/15/07 Tax Division Sable patrolman   11/15/07 ... crusty menage ape   11/15/07 selected as finalist. Thinking EOIR, but could be Civil bat-shit-crazy duck-like stag film   11/16/07 Selected as Finalist smoky titillating hunting ground hominid   11/16/07 selected as finalist, antitrust comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/16/07 Selected as Finalist Antitrust smoky titillating hunting ground hominid   11/16/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/16/07 I'm just hoping that I'm not just a "finalist" in ... smoky titillating hunting ground hominid   11/16/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/16/07 Would you mind saying what geographic area the field office ... smoky titillating hunting ground hominid   11/16/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/16/07 Good luck! smoky titillating hunting ground hominid   11/16/07 you too! comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/16/07 jd priest and dcthopeful, did you guys interview for civil o... godawful point   11/16/07 You just interview with the whole division; it's not section... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/16/07 not so. i interviewed with antitrust but it was the crimina... godawful point   11/16/07 I think you're mistaken. Perhaps you interviewed with peopl... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/16/07 I see. I wasn't aware of that. godawful point   11/16/07 Jdpriest & Dchopeful, did you guys interview in one of t... Excitant gold locus legal warrant   11/16/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/16/07 Nothing came up on the message screen - I'm just curious bec... Excitant gold locus legal warrant   11/16/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/16/07 ... Excitant gold locus legal warrant   11/16/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/16/07 ... Excitant gold locus legal warrant   11/16/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/16/07 ... Excitant gold locus legal warrant   11/16/07 Yep, thanks. Good luck, and keep us posted. comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/16/07 ... Excitant gold locus legal warrant   11/16/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/16/07 ... Excitant gold locus legal warrant   11/16/07 are all these messages private or something? godawful point   11/16/07 No, he's posting then editing them. high-end coldplay fan double fault   11/16/07 geez. you go out to get lunch and you miss a whole exchange.... godawful point   11/16/07 Has anyone heard if they are an EOIR finalist? I spoke with... Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/16/07 Selected as a finalist Charismatic pervert   11/16/07 Hi guys- for those of you who interviewed with 2 divisions a... Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/16/07 EOIR and Civil (OIL) Khaki locale partner   11/16/07 I interviewed for EOIR (only one i applied to) on Monday of ... Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/16/07 EOIR multi-colored fiercely-loyal lettuce   11/16/07 I'm another that interviewed with EOIR and OIL, except I pre... Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   11/16/07 Sounds like EOIR. Word has it OIL doesn't anticipate extend... high-end coldplay fan double fault   11/16/07 well multi-colored fiercely-loyal lettuce   11/16/07 I don't know anything for sure . . . these are internal rumo... high-end coldplay fan double fault   11/16/07 My OIL interviewer said that they would make at least some o... Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   11/16/07 OIL multi-colored fiercely-loyal lettuce   11/16/07 Civil Tax, Criminal, and Civil have made at least some offer... Supple tanning salon messiness   11/16/07 Where? Bearded sanctuary   11/16/07 Their status has changed on avue, yes. The sections made th... Supple tanning salon messiness   11/16/07 Has anyone received a call? Charismatic pervert   11/16/07 Offer abnormal trust fund   11/16/07 Phone. They called the number listed on my resume. abnormal trust fund   11/16/07 What office? high-end coldplay fan double fault   11/16/07 I'd prefer not to say since there are so few positions. All... abnormal trust fund   11/16/07 For civil in general or for your office? high-end coldplay fan double fault   11/16/07 Offer? Razzle-dazzle French Chef Faggotry   11/16/07 Tax Bearded sanctuary   11/16/07 Finalist-- Guarantee Charismatic pervert   11/16/07 not necessarily. a component could select several finalists... godawful point   11/16/07 I interviewed with Tax, and I had a status change. However,... Sable patrolman   11/16/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/16/07 Still nothing here smoky titillating hunting ground hominid   11/16/07 me either. godawful point   11/16/07 has your status changed? comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/16/07 yes, i've been selected as a finalist. godawful point   11/16/07 did you interview with a field office? comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/16/07 both dc and field. godawful point   11/16/07 cool, do you mind saying which office? it seems like all of... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/16/07 i'll tell you if you tell me. i know that sounds childish, ... godawful point   11/16/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/16/07 thanks. best of luck! godawful point   11/16/07 cool, good luck and keep us posted! comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/16/07 did anyone's status change that interviewed ATR DC only rath... Excitant gold locus legal warrant   11/16/07 "Selected as finalist" ATR DC, did not interview f... Bull headed passionate institution boistinker   11/16/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/16/07 Have not heard of anyone being contacted. Good luck to you ... Bull headed passionate institution boistinker   11/16/07 offer from field office stimulating citrine university keepsake machete   11/16/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/16/07 that was my understanding as well, from what was said in the... godawful point   11/16/07 EOIR Only -- Selected as finalist Charismatic pervert   11/16/07 nothing from EOIR Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/16/07 EOIR Interview Dates Charismatic pervert   11/16/07 I don't think its over multi-colored fiercely-loyal lettuce   11/16/07 Thank you for the good info. I found a minor typo in my writ... Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/16/07 Eoir Selectees Charismatic pervert   11/16/07 Great thanks. I've worked at a deport defense firm doing can... Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/16/07 oh and journal editorial positions 2 years...but that damned... Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/16/07 I hope you're right Excitant gold locus legal warrant   11/17/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/16/07 Would guess calls on Mon. & Tue. next week given the hol... Bull headed passionate institution boistinker   11/17/07 ATR DC said their calls would go out on Monday - oshady, did... Excitant gold locus legal warrant   11/17/07 how do you know this? comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/17/07 because i was told so 3 times between recruitment and the in... Excitant gold locus legal warrant   11/17/07 i'm just hoping there is still a chance of being selected as... Excitant gold locus legal warrant   11/17/07 how'd you feel your interview went? comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/17/07 i felt like it went really well. my panel was smiling the w... Excitant gold locus legal warrant   11/17/07 EOIR Calls multi-colored fiercely-loyal lettuce   11/16/07 no calls dont know about refs Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/17/07 more info racy location   11/17/07 ***CIVIL DIVISION THREAD*** Beta forum electric furnace   11/16/07 I interviewed with the Torts Branch. There has been no chan... Beta forum electric furnace   11/16/07 I interviewed relatively early in the process, and have been... crusty menage ape   11/17/07 Ready for a new day? Sable patrolman   11/19/07 So I gather that the consensus is that ATR will happen today... Bull headed passionate institution boistinker   11/19/07 Offer! smoky titillating hunting ground hominid   11/19/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/19/07 ... smoky titillating hunting ground hominid   11/19/07 Double congrats!!! Are you coming out of a clerkship? comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/19/07 which field? you can edit afterwards if you want. godawful point   11/19/07 ... smoky titillating hunting ground hominid   11/19/07 ... godawful point   11/19/07 ... smoky titillating hunting ground hominid   11/19/07 thanks! and congrats! godawful point   11/19/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/19/07 no smoky titillating hunting ground hominid   11/19/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/19/07 ... godawful point   11/19/07 I'm freaking out too. I keep hoping my phone will ring. It... Sable patrolman   11/19/07 I think the fact that none of us have heard is a good sign. ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/19/07 JdPriest heard from ATR. I'm crossing my fingers for a ca... Sable patrolman   11/19/07 does anyone know if ATR (field or dc) still has calls to mak... Infuriating legend space   11/19/07 no clue. Which field office did you interview with? edit:... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/19/07 i asked out of curiosity - i'm hoping there are still some p... Infuriating legend space   11/19/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/19/07 no really - i didn't even apply for a field office - i was h... Infuriating legend space   11/19/07 i hope you're right - either that or second best scenario - ... Infuriating legend space   11/19/07 Anti Trust smoky titillating hunting ground hominid   11/19/07 yes, thanks. I'm jealous of your offer, though ;) I'm re... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/19/07 Keep the faith. You still might get a call from the field of... smoky titillating hunting ground hominid   11/19/07 i'm right there with you. i actually wanted DC, but now am ... godawful point   11/19/07 Offer Aqua twinkling uncleanness stead   11/20/07 thanks for the info. Who called to give the offer? comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/20/07 One of the interviewers and someone else in the same lit sec... Aqua twinkling uncleanness stead   11/20/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/20/07 The attorneys who offered me the job. And congratulations! Aqua twinkling uncleanness stead   11/20/07 but if a couple of years is expected, wouldn't it look bad t... Infuriating legend space   11/20/07 The former, I'm not sure -- you can realize it's just not fo... Aqua twinkling uncleanness stead   11/20/07 there were a couple of links above on this site and one said... Infuriating legend space   11/20/07 I would imagine that would be the case with other divisions ... Aqua twinkling uncleanness stead   11/20/07 . . . Infuriating legend space   11/20/07 If they say that there's no committment, and truly seem to m... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/20/07 this is definitely something I am concerned about. I don't ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/20/07 ... racy location   11/19/07 There is word from the DAAG level that OIL has "complet... high-end coldplay fan double fault   11/19/07 What about EOIR? If you have not yet received a change to &q... Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/19/07 EOIR has selected finalists. Don't know if there is a secon... bat-shit-crazy duck-like stag film   11/19/07 Thank you for the info. Do you know if they have selected al... Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/19/07 ... Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/19/07 i don't plan on taking EOIR offer, if extended bat-shit-crazy duck-like stag film   11/19/07 What does this mean - that they turned in their picks, or th... Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   11/19/07 Yeah, my Avue status hasn't changed, and while I would have ... Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   11/19/07 Are you a fellow EOIR hopeful? Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/19/07 yup, and I thought my interview went great, so I'm going to ... Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   11/19/07 yea, I'm sorry...i feel the same way. I wonder if people wil... Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/19/07 Yeah - I am definitely not able to go anywhere (my husband d... Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   11/19/07 OIL completion and EOIR offers multi-colored fiercely-loyal lettuce   11/19/07 Are you OIL and EOIR? Have you hear anything? Status change? Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/19/07 Don't think Im OIL anymore multi-colored fiercely-loyal lettuce   11/19/07 ditto. status changed on friday, but the judge i interviewed... racy location   11/19/07 i guess i'll just go cry. this is such a bummer. too bad we ... Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/19/07 I think we're all wigging unneccessarily - no one on the thr... Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   11/19/07 I have no idea. The statement I heard is that OIL "has... high-end coldplay fan double fault   11/19/07 Just got the nod. Appetizing blood rage   11/19/07 congrats!! did you accept? Also - field office or main? comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/19/07 didn't accept on the spot -- don't know why not. DC position... Appetizing blood rage   11/19/07 EOIR Calls Charismatic pervert   11/19/07 did you interview with criminal enforcement people or with c... godawful point   11/19/07 NCE Section. I have a crim background. Think it might just b... Appetizing blood rage   11/19/07 i don't think it is a coincidence. from what i understood t... godawful point   11/19/07 who called to give you the offer? comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/19/07 antitrust - let's all just hope there's a second round - who... Infuriating legend space   11/19/07 so i went finalist status on friday, received a phone call t... Marvelous violent athletic conference gas station   11/19/07 you're talking about the SLIP program. This thread is for en... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/19/07 Tax Bearded sanctuary   11/19/07 I am in the same position as you. Selected as Finalist on F... Sable patrolman   11/19/07 Tax Division thriller liquid oxygen sneaky criminal   11/19/07 Tax Bearded sanctuary   11/19/07 Exp. thriller liquid oxygen sneaky criminal   11/19/07 My status didn't change until late Friday as well. I actual... Sable patrolman   11/19/07 Were you an early interview? thriller liquid oxygen sneaky criminal   11/19/07 Yes. Sable patrolman   11/19/07 That makes me feel better. I was a later one. Maybe they'r... thriller liquid oxygen sneaky criminal   11/19/07 Tax Bearded sanctuary   11/19/07 I was refering to the other divisions. I haven't heard anyt... Sable patrolman   11/19/07 ... Bearded sanctuary   11/19/07 I know someone who was given an offer w/tax. Their status c... magenta contagious piazza   11/19/07 Thanks. It's always good to at least know what is going on. Sable patrolman   11/19/07 Tax Quantity thriller liquid oxygen sneaky criminal   11/19/07 USAO Jade outnumbered jew   11/19/07 no, not yet. godawful point   11/19/07 ... stimulating citrine university keepsake machete   11/19/07 are you talking about antitrust or USAO? comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/19/07 where did you interview? you need to offer up some info here... provocative lilac heaven roommate   11/19/07 EOIR UPDATE racy location   11/19/07 thanks. I think I"ll refresh less obsessively tomorrow ... Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   11/19/07 Who told you that number? Also, when were you chosen as a fi... Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/19/07 from my reference.i think she asked them when they called he... racy location   11/19/07 how many finalists get jobs? Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/19/07 For those of you who interviewed with any of the divisions, ... Crystalline theater   11/19/07 i was slip finalist last year (OIL) but no offer. racy location   11/20/07 offer extended swollen pisswyrm   11/20/07 which one? was it a field office? comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/20/07 I have a question for anybody in the DOJ HP. Let's say y... crusty menage ape   11/20/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/20/07 Congrats! I know you were hoping for field, but still, that'... smoky titillating hunting ground hominid   11/20/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/20/07 What are your other options? smoky titillating hunting ground hominid   11/20/07 go back to firm I summered at; re-apply for clerkships.... t... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/20/07 Not too shabby. Infuriating legend space   11/20/07 dcthopeful, Congrats on the offer even though it's not yo... Amethyst Ticket Booth   11/20/07 congrats, anyway, though! that's more than i can say. no o... godawful point   11/20/07 ... Bearded sanctuary   11/20/07 anyone heard from EOIR? this is killing me! hot cracking sound barrier   11/20/07 it's cold comfort, but I think it's better than NONE of us h... Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   11/20/07 yeah makes me feel better. perhaps they are taking longer be... hot cracking sound barrier   11/20/07 yeah I haven't heard anything from EOIR either... Carmine indian lodge friendly grandma   11/20/07 Anyone hear from CIVIL besides 2LandBored? Branch? Beta forum electric furnace   11/20/07 I know they've sent out some offers. I have accepted my off... crusty menage ape   11/20/07 Anyone hear anything from Civil Rights? No expectations... Cowardly Boyish School Marketing Idea   11/20/07 Coworker got offer today ... and had plenty of left-wing cre... Aqua twinkling uncleanness stead   11/20/07 SF field office has completed hiring (and it wasn't me) comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/20/07 Are field offices as competitive as main ATR? I assumed the ... electric famous landscape painting   11/20/07 I think field offices are more competitive; they each hire o... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/20/07 No, just wondering about the role they play in relation to m... electric famous landscape painting   11/20/07 I know someone that works in a field and absolutely loves it... Infuriating legend space   11/20/07 I received an offer from Tax this morning. They are definit... Sable patrolman   11/20/07 congrats! did you accept? comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/20/07 Still No Calls From EOIR Charismatic pervert   11/20/07 I was too flustered to accept. It felt like the call came o... Sable patrolman   11/20/07 Congrats! Glad to know they're still working their way th... thriller liquid oxygen sneaky criminal   11/20/07 dcthopeful, Congrats on the offer even though it's not... Amethyst Ticket Booth   11/20/07 Thanks. It was an offer for a specific section that does ci... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/20/07 Thanks for the info. Amethyst Ticket Booth   11/20/07 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/20/07 I think sometimes they give division-wide offers and sometim... Amethyst Ticket Booth   11/20/07 btw, would very much appreciate to know when you make your f... Amethyst Ticket Booth   11/20/07 I applied for the summer program and was interviewed 2 years... Aqua twinkling uncleanness stead   11/20/07 Were you given an office-specific offer? comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/20/07 DC -- one of the lit sections. I didn't apply to any field o... Aqua twinkling uncleanness stead   11/20/07 EOIR bat-shit-crazy duck-like stag film   11/20/07 i take it you got a call today? congrats, if so! racy location   11/20/07 congrats! details? do you know of others that got calls? hot cracking sound barrier   11/20/07 EOIR finalist - and a big question irradiated french pozpig   11/20/07 yea i wonder how much they consider your preferences too.... racy location   11/20/07 EOIR Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/20/07 EOIR location bat-shit-crazy duck-like stag film   11/20/07 very true! so where are you clerking? racy location   11/20/07 You will come into contact with judges. You will not come... high-end coldplay fan double fault   11/20/07 what do EOIR clerks usually do after they finish? Move over ... electric famous landscape painting   11/20/07 post EOIR bat-shit-crazy duck-like stag film   11/20/07 No change in Status Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/21/07 Mine does too. If we're not selected, it's my understandi... thriller liquid oxygen sneaky criminal   11/21/07 Thanks. I feel better not being the only one. Does anyone... Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/21/07 EOIR Finalists Charismatic pervert   11/21/07 no status change curious magical philosopher-king   11/21/07 What was it about the interview that "didn't go so well... Bearded sanctuary   11/21/07 Thanks for the tip! I'm not going to hold my breath at this... curious magical philosopher-king   11/24/07 PMF Razzmatazz Windowlicker   11/22/07 3Llady multi-colored fiercely-loyal lettuce   11/22/07 harsh. i know a couple of people that didn't get offers unt... Infuriating legend space   11/22/07 ... Bearded sanctuary   11/22/07 clarification racy location   11/25/07 offer bat-shit-crazy duck-like stag film   11/25/07 did they give you a choice in location or just offer your 1s... racy location   11/25/07 just first choice bat-shit-crazy duck-like stag film   11/25/07 gotcha. do you mind me asking which city? racy location   11/25/07 How many other people are EOIR Finalists Charismatic pervert   11/26/07 It's a new week...anyone gotten a call or status change toda... Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   11/26/07 I am a finalist, but have still heard nothing. Charismatic pervert   11/26/07 same here--finalist, no call yet 180 persian   11/26/07 Are you hoping for EOIR? If so, would you mind telling me w... Charismatic pervert   11/26/07 Yeah--EOIR hopeful-- I put anywhere, but Cleveland was numbe... 180 persian   11/26/07 I put Houston as number 1 and Harlingen as no. 2. I can't... Charismatic pervert   11/26/07 I bet Harlingen would be an interesting place to work. I ho... 180 persian   11/26/07 ha - I interviewed with the ACIJ for TX and LA and he spent ... Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   11/26/07 Harlingen is one of the better places in the Valley. (Well,... Charismatic pervert   11/27/07 Harvard's clinic deals mainly with affirmative asylum seeker... Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   11/27/07 Actually Cleveland is my first choice- I REALLY WANT TO GO T... hot cracking sound barrier   11/26/07 Maybe they will have 2 spots 180 persian   11/26/07 doubt it. they only have one judge so very unlikely have two... hot cracking sound barrier   11/27/07 Perhaps . . . hopefully since it's a new court, they will be... 180 persian   11/27/07 let's hope, right? hot cracking sound barrier   11/27/07 they are extending offers. hot cracking sound barrier   11/27/07 so you got Cleveland huh? Congrats. Still hoping . . . 180 persian   11/27/07 congrats! when did you get the call? racy location   11/27/07 Thanks! She didn't call until 4:15 pm so my guess is they st... hot cracking sound barrier   11/27/07 May I ask when your status changed to finalist? Chartreuse cerebral trump supporter   11/27/07 the friday before thanksgiving hot cracking sound barrier   11/27/07 congrats - as anxious as it makes me, it's good to know they... Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   11/27/07 keep hope also because according to NALP guidelines if you a... hot cracking sound barrier   11/27/07 yea - my reference told me that the guy told her it would ta... racy location   11/27/07 What type of offers did you shoot down? comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/27/07 state clerkship. i was able to get an extension in hopes tha... racy location   11/27/07 did you decide what you were going to do with your offer? Infuriating legend space   11/28/07 600th post. Nothing to add. splenetic church building   11/27/07 i already declined the clerkship w/ some regrets. but i thin... racy location   11/28/07 that's a really tough call - but, if the clerkship is still ... Infuriating legend space   11/28/07 Just got my DOJ offer ultramarine regret mental disorder   11/28/07 Civil seems to be far more selective and "prestigious,&... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/28/07 civil by a country mile unless you're an immigration law typ... chocolate candlestick maker   11/28/07 Clerk in EOIR ultramarine regret mental disorder   11/28/07 hmm. i'd prolly go OIL, although i'm sure you could clerk fo... chocolate candlestick maker   11/28/07 I'd look into this to see if you really can do this. From a... crusty menage ape   11/28/07 Yup, this is done all the time. People clerk for EOIR, then ... Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   11/28/07 OIL unless bat-shit-crazy duck-like stag film   11/28/07 FutureDOJer - had your Avue status changed to "Selected... Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   11/29/07 Rejection email Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle   11/29/07 I guess I'm in DOJ purgatory My Avue status has changed t... 180 persian   11/29/07 Same thing here. Charismatic pervert   11/29/07 Any idea where this leaves us in the grand scheme? 180 persian   11/29/07 No idea. I have an interview with DHS Honors tomorrow. ... Charismatic pervert   11/29/07 i just checked my status & same thing w/ the "selec... racy location   11/29/07 My status says "Current Status:Finalist but No Offer Is... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/29/07 that is strange. congrats on offer!! racy location   11/29/07 Mine says: "Offer accepted." I guess it changes w... Jade outnumbered jew   11/29/07 congrats! what court? hot cracking sound barrier   11/29/07 Did anyone call to get an opinion on suitability issues? Wha... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/29/07 can you clarify? racy location   11/29/07 You can call and get an advisory opinion on whether you'd pa... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   11/29/07 ahh gotcha. havent gotten to that point yet. who runs the ba... racy location   11/29/07 you know i think that it might be the EOIR because they have... hot cracking sound barrier   11/29/07 EOIR - Finalist, but Offer Made Charismatic pervert   11/30/07 My Avue status went from "Selected as Finalist" to... Confused Cerise Lodge Water Buffalo   11/30/07 Just accepted an offer from EOIR at Harlingen. I wish the r... 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I have a sneaking suspicion that I'm done for as my ... 180 persian   12/04/07 hey...you never know. i am curious in how they place pple. i... racy location   12/04/07 jus wondering, either one of you found a decent employment l... bat-shit-crazy duck-like stag film   12/04/07 I don't have any of them, but my Prof. recommended the Emplo... 180 persian   12/04/07 thanks. I'll invest in the nutshell, beggars can't be choos... bat-shit-crazy duck-like stag film   12/04/07 They're still making calls. I just got an offer for my top c... Confused Cerise Lodge Water Buffalo   12/05/07 congrats! yea - i agree. i just found out that my reference ... racy location   12/05/07 congrats! what court? hot cracking sound barrier   12/05/07 ... Confused Cerise Lodge Water Buffalo   12/05/07 congrats again! excellent! i'm sure this is a relief for you... hot cracking sound barrier   12/05/07 new to this thread. my status is listed as "selected a... Filthy razzle nursing home   12/05/07 i didnt, which i regretted after the interview b/c i thought... racy location   12/05/07 i did. what i hear it helps tremendously. hot cracking sound barrier   12/05/07 ... racy location   12/05/07 great. thanks for the insight! Filthy razzle nursing home   12/06/07 OIL stubborn trailer park national security agency   12/21/07 Is anyone else still hanging out in the no man's land of &qu... Razzle-dazzle French Chef Faggotry   01/11/08 I am. But I finally emailed someone at DOJ and they told me... Claret Flirting Turdskin Base   01/26/08 ... comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   01/26/08 i am in the same boat as dcthopeful. my resume was clear ab... godawful point   01/28/08 See you in Washington DC this fall? comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease   01/28/08 yep! godawful point   01/31/08 Poast new message in this thread Date: September 28th, 2007 1:55 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease Post here with any updates. Currently it looks like they've referred applications to compenents. When do you think they'll start calling for interviews? Before selected for an interview will the online application say that your application has been selected for further review? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8700513) Date: September 28th, 2007 2:07 PM Author: self-centered aromatic kitty cat field Referred to components? You mean, if I applied to, e.g., Civil as my first choice, the application has been forwarded to that group? I've heard DOJ takes a long ass time for turnaround, and that their stated periods are really unlikely. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8700574) Date: September 28th, 2007 2:32 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease I assume that's what it means by referred to components. If you look at the page on the OARM website that provides deadlines for submitting supplemental information (transcripts, writing sample) for those who have been selected for interviews, the deadlines are generally Oct. 10-18. So I assume their goal is to have selected and notified interviewees before or around that time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8700735) Date: September 28th, 2007 3:31 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault If history is any indication, interview notices will go out around Columbus Day, interviews will take place in late October and early November, and offers will be made between Thanksgiving and Christmas. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8701089) Date: September 28th, 2007 3:35 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault Are you sure? I was just looking at my intern's status screen and it still says "Received by DOJ." It hasn't changed to "referred to components." When I got into the HP, I got an e-mail saying that I had been selected for an interview before my online status changed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8701109) Date: September 28th, 2007 4:29 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8701376) Date: September 28th, 2007 5:51 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault T20, Top 1/3, no journal, no moot court. No go on the division. Can you confirm that some people's status check is showing "Application referred to components"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8701758) Date: September 28th, 2007 5:56 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease I just logged into the avuedigital online application site and can confirm that it says "Current Status:Application referred to Components" Are you sure the intern applied for the AG Honors Program and not SLIP? Can you at least tell me if you're EOIR/BOP or not? those divisions seem to hire the most Honors Attorneys and I imagine are not very competitive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8701782) Date: September 28th, 2007 6:32 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault The intern is a 3L applied to the Honors Program. I'm neither of those divisions. They do hire the most attorneys, but EOIR is fairly competitive, mostly because they hire for non-DC locations. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8701911) Date: September 28th, 2007 6:58 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8702002) Date: September 28th, 2007 11:55 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault There are two different statuses -- "received by DOJ" and "referred to components." There's no reason for the status not to change unless they decide you're ineligible; but I'm concerned because last year there was a big fuck-up at OARM and a lot of applications just basically got lost in the system. I'd hate for that to happen. Most divisions only interview the people who put them first or second; a few (like civil rights and antitrust) only interview people who put them first. I don't think non-DC locations are *more* competitive, but I think that a lot of applicants who have spouses, etc., tend to gravitate toward components with positions available that don't require them to move to DC. Even though EOIR hires a lot of people, it's still fairly competitive -- certainly not like Civil Rights or Criminal, though. That a particular component has very few positions means nothing. Civil Rights gets far and away the most applicants and they are always among the components that hire the fewest people. I assume you applied either to an antitrust field office or a U.S. Attorneys Office. Those are extremely competitive, actually. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8703182) Date: September 29th, 2007 12:08 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease Hey, thanks for the the reply. Yeah I remember last year I applied to SLIP and my application was "referred to components" in like November, and I got a rejection the following January or February. I did apply to Antitrust. I ranked it second, with my first choice within Antitrust being a field office. This was probably pretty stupid, but I figured it doesn't matter anyway since I'd really only have a shot at my first choice. I did reference my interest in Antitrust in my essay, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8703229) Date: October 5th, 2007 10:33 AM Author: learning disabled stage dysfunction Subject: SLIP how long behind honors is SLIP usually in terms of notifying people? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8729977) Date: October 5th, 2007 10:49 AM Author: electric famous landscape painting I'm doing SLIP, status just changed to "referred to components" this tuesday. so, maybe a week or so behind? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8730037) Date: October 5th, 2007 10:54 AM Author: learning disabled stage dysfunction oh nice... hadn't checked it today until just now and mine has changed as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8730056) Date: September 28th, 2007 2:08 PM Author: aquamarine cuck nowag guys from depaul get doj honors all he time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8700580) Date: September 28th, 2007 2:09 PM Author: self-centered aromatic kitty cat field regent, you fool, regent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8700585) Date: September 30th, 2007 10:06 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease bump for the new week. Think we'll hear anything this early? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8711401) Date: September 30th, 2007 10:36 PM Author: self-centered aromatic kitty cat field unlikely. maybe in 2 or 3 weeks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8711568) Date: October 1st, 2007 11:38 AM Author: Laughsome Orange Pit Incel So I should panic now if my online status doesn't say referred to component? Who would I contact to fix that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8713228) Date: October 1st, 2007 1:27 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Pearly Whorehouse mine doesn't either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8713587) Date: October 1st, 2007 1:32 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease did you both apply to AG Honors Program (not SLIP)? Maybe *I* should be worried that mine has been referred to component departments... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8713609) Date: October 1st, 2007 1:41 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Pearly Whorehouse I didn't apply to slip. maybe they're doing it in stages or you applied earlier than the rest of us. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8713634) Date: October 1st, 2007 1:43 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease I submitted my application on the last day it was due... Maybe it's affected by whether you previously applied to DOJ, whether you're coming out of a clerkship, or which departments you listed in your choices? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8713641) Date: October 1st, 2007 1:44 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Pearly Whorehouse no idea. who cares, if they want you, they'll give you a call. they're only going to hire a small fraction of the people who applied. don't worry about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8713645) Date: October 1st, 2007 1:46 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8713651) Date: October 1st, 2007 4:28 PM Author: Laughsome Orange Pit Incel They call? The website says they e-mail and then you have to call to set up an interview time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8714498) Date: October 1st, 2007 5:55 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault They don't call. You'll get an e-mail and then you'll actually have to fax them a travel survey. The interview notice will also probably have instructions on whether/how to submit a writing sample. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8714886) Date: October 1st, 2007 5:54 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault Okay, at least this isn't totally unprecedented. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8714881) Date: October 1st, 2007 6:09 PM Author: Brass property personal credit line (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8714927) Date: October 1st, 2007 7:50 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease I applied to the AG's Honors Program for entry-level attorneys. See previous posts, as well as thread topic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8715185) Date: October 1st, 2007 11:44 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault Did you double check your application and confirm that you selected the Honors Program and not SLIP? I'd be suspicious if I were you. A lot of people on this board apply to the HP and it seems that you're the only one who's had a status change. I suppose, though, that it could be attributed to the fact that you applied to a non-DC location. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8716190) Date: October 2nd, 2007 12:21 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease I've rechecked my application multiple times. I am suspicious, but I can't really call them and say I'm concerned because the system says my application has been referred to components, but a bunch of people on an anonymous message board say their applications haven't been referred. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8716351) Date: October 2nd, 2007 8:47 AM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault Say several classmates have told you that their status has not changed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8717031) Date: October 2nd, 2007 10:00 AM Author: Jet-lagged ungodly bawdyhouse I've seen at least one other application that says "Referred to Components". This application was for DOJ Honors, not SLIP. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8717141) Date: October 2nd, 2007 10:30 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease Ok, thanks. I wonder why the discrepancies? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8717162) Date: October 2nd, 2007 11:03 AM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault This smacks of "mission exigency." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8717240) Date: October 3rd, 2007 10:17 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8721367) Date: October 3rd, 2007 10:21 AM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault Your status will change and you will also get an e-mail telling you which components have decided to interview you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8721370) Date: October 3rd, 2007 10:28 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease How soon after one's status changes does one get said email? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8721378) Date: October 3rd, 2007 10:29 AM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault Dunno. Check your spam folder. Are you saying you changed to "selected for interview"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8721379) Date: October 3rd, 2007 10:48 AM Author: Jet-lagged ungodly bawdyhouse some applications have changed to selected for interview. I don't think e-mails have been sent yet. My guess is that some components have not finished selecting their interviewees, and e-mails won't be sent out until that happens. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8721419) Date: October 3rd, 2007 11:06 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease Do you know whether different divisions can see whether other divisions have selected someone for an interview? Also, do you know whether interviewees will be notified in one email (if they have multiple interviews) or whether it will come as separate emails? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8721444) Date: October 3rd, 2007 11:12 AM Author: Jet-lagged ungodly bawdyhouse I think the answer to the first question is no, and the answer to the second question is one e-mail. I might be wrong about both of those. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8721451) Date: October 3rd, 2007 11:17 AM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault I think you're right. I don't know anything about the non-DC offices, but you will get one e-mail indicating which components have selected you for an interview. The e-mail will also contain language to the effect that if you applied to a component not listed in the e-mail, they have not selected you for an interview. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8721459) Date: October 3rd, 2007 10:36 AM Author: bearded elite reading party I wanted to do the DOJ, but the website states that it's not like a firm job where most of the people get offers for full time employment. In fact, a small percentage of participants get full time employment offers after working there as 2Ls. Too risky. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8721402) Date: October 3rd, 2007 11:13 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease Most people who do DOJ 2L year split their summer with a firm. This thread, however, pertains to the AG's Honors Program which is for entry-level positions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8721455) Date: October 3rd, 2007 11:13 AM Author: Fragrant Meetinghouse Laser Beams DOJ Honors --App sent to DOJ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8721453) Date: October 3rd, 2007 11:33 AM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault For those who have not had a status change to "referred to components," my intern received a phone call that her application was referred even though the status did not change on the website. I don't know if that's a bad sign or no sign at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8721511) Date: October 3rd, 2007 11:34 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease OARM called her to tell her that? Or she received a phone call because she works at DOJ and knows people in the divisions she applied to? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8721516) Date: October 3rd, 2007 11:43 AM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault Dude, seriously . . . what's your damage? She left a message at the contact number provided on the Avue site and received a return call letting her know that the application had indeed been referred. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8721540) Date: October 3rd, 2007 11:45 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease Sorry, I didn't intend to come across as snide. I'm just curious how she got OARM to contact her. They're very dodgy about returning calls or emails in my experience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8721543) Date: October 3rd, 2007 11:48 AM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault It probably helps that she is currently a volunteer intern with the DOJ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8721550) Date: October 3rd, 2007 11:51 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease Do you think they received fewer apps this year due to all the negative publicity surrounding previous years' hiring practices, as well as law firm salary raises? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8721560) Date: October 3rd, 2007 12:38 PM Author: Brass property personal credit line (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8721731) Date: October 3rd, 2007 1:44 PM Author: Bull headed passionate institution boistinker Pampersis, how long would you expect it to take for the email listing the components that selected me to interview and, when the time comes, any advice for the interview itself? Many thanks! BTW - currently a "selected for interview" HP applicant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8721988) Date: October 3rd, 2007 3:55 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault I couldn't tell you, really . . . last year the system sent the e-mails over Columbus day weekend. I think I got mine around October 7 or so, which would be pretty consistent. I'd say you'll get an e-mail within the week. A disclaimer: while I work for the DOJ, I have no insight into the actual hiring process or how interviewees are selected (that is, I'm not involved in the process of deciding who gets interviewed in my component). All of the info I have posted in this thread is based entirely on personal experience and general information available to DOJ employees. Edited to add that my intern just e-mailed to say she's been selected for an interview. As far as she knows, her online status never changed to "application referred to components" and went straight from "Application Received by DOJ" to "Selected for Interview." Oh, and, on the interview. The best advice I can give is to make it clear (or pretend, at least) that all you have ever wanted to do is work for the DOJ and that you intend to spend your whole career there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8722517) Date: October 3rd, 2007 5:58 PM Author: Bull headed passionate institution boistinker Thanks so much for the response . . . I will take your advice re: the interview (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8722941) Date: October 3rd, 2007 6:49 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease Wow, sounds like a lot of people were selected for interviews. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8723078) Date: October 3rd, 2007 7:06 PM Author: self-centered aromatic kitty cat field not me! pwnd. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8723144) Date: October 3rd, 2007 7:15 PM Author: electric famous landscape painting lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8723174) Date: October 4th, 2007 9:34 AM Author: Pale yarmulke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8725790) Date: October 3rd, 2007 10:29 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease Any advice for interviews? Also, what's the general hiring timeline? From my understanding of the process, after interviews are conducted people get selected as "finalists" or not, and only some of the "finalists" are actually hired. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8724044) Date: October 3rd, 2007 10:31 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault This post is consistent with my experience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8724051) Date: October 3rd, 2007 10:33 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease Based on the Greedy Government messageboard, it looks like in previous years final hiring decisions weren't made until December. Was that your experience? How do you deal with keeping your law firm offer open? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8724073) Date: October 3rd, 2007 10:35 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault Yes. I did not work for a firm 2L summer, so I had no offer. My classmates' experience varied, but I was surprised how many people were able to keep their offers open until they heard. I had one friend who was able to keep hers open until she heard about PMF, which, IIRC, was February. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8724091) Date: October 4th, 2007 9:57 AM Author: Glittery garnet kitchen I worked at a firm my 2L summer. In my interview, should I mention that I applied to DOJ SLIP as a 2L but was not selected? I want to indicate my commitment to working at DOJ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8725874) Date: October 4th, 2007 10:13 AM Author: electric famous landscape painting Definitely. I got dinged by a prefstigious DA's office my 1L year and ended up working at an even more prefstigious USAO. In my interview for a fulltime job w/ the DA I told them I'd been dinged and they laughed and I think it showed my continuing interest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8725929) Date: October 4th, 2007 2:39 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease Anyone get an email yet? Looking at previous years' threads it looks as though people got interviews with multiple divisions. I hope that's the case this year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8726712) Date: October 4th, 2007 4:14 PM Author: Copper arousing lay Subject: interview, but no email My app says "selected for interview". However, I haven't received an email yet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8727114) Date: October 4th, 2007 4:13 PM Author: Copper arousing lay Subject: i got an interview Those selected for interviews are posted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8727112) Date: October 4th, 2007 4:14 PM Author: Laughsome Orange Pit Incel Are you sure that is for all components? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8727116) Date: October 4th, 2007 4:16 PM Author: Copper arousing lay Subject: not for all components (Just for environment and natural resources div) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8727133) Date: October 4th, 2007 4:14 PM Author: Awkward histrionic stage circlehead welcome to yesterday morning (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8727119) Date: October 4th, 2007 4:14 PM Author: Copper arousing lay Subject: selected for interview for: ENRD I was selected for an ENRD interview. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8727120) Date: October 4th, 2007 4:16 PM Author: Awkward histrionic stage circlehead how do you know? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8727129) Date: October 4th, 2007 4:17 PM Author: Copper arousing lay Subject: that's the only division I selected (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8727136) Date: October 4th, 2007 4:18 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease very helpful info... thanks for sharing! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8727147) Date: October 4th, 2007 4:13 PM Author: Laughsome Orange Pit Incel I agree with someone above, if you wouldn't mind posting your top 2 please do. This would allow us to figure out the delinquent sections. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8727113) Date: October 4th, 2007 4:17 PM Author: Awkward histrionic stage circlehead why don't you post yours? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8727138) Date: October 4th, 2007 4:18 PM Author: Laughsome Orange Pit Incel Because I don't have interviews yet. They only helpful people that would do this would be people with interviews. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8727149) Date: October 4th, 2007 4:18 PM Author: electric famous landscape painting Got an interview w/ US Department of Justice, LULZCONSTITUTIONPWN3D Division. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8727145) Date: October 5th, 2007 1:51 AM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault Wow. That's all of them. I IZ IN UR JUSTIZ, TAKIN UR LIBURTEEZ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8729512) Date: October 4th, 2007 4:22 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8727161) Date: October 4th, 2007 4:52 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault Passing along info from my intern . . . 1. Civil 2. Civil Rights (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8727290) Date: October 4th, 2007 4:56 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease I hear Civil Rights likes to be listed first. I listed Civil first as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8727302) Date: October 4th, 2007 5:02 PM Author: self-centered aromatic kitty cat field 1. National Security 2. Civil My application status is still "Received by DOJ." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8727329) Date: October 4th, 2007 6:01 PM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle 1. EOIR 2. Civil Rights Saw it went to "Selected for Interview" yesterday, but hadn't checked it for a week before that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8727549) Date: October 5th, 2007 1:50 AM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault To let you know, you very likely got an interview with EOIR (at least). If so, the first thing they will ask you to do is fill out a geographic preference form, so decide right away which five locations you will list. You are also more likely to be offered a position if you check that you are willing to work anywhere. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8729504) Date: October 5th, 2007 9:10 AM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle Thanks a lot. I'm not really willing to work anywhere, but I'll figure out what I can handle for the form. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8729771) Date: October 4th, 2007 4:30 PM Author: Copper arousing lay Subject: DON'T FORGET TO CHECK YOUR SPAM FOLDER Since "selected for interview" emails will soon be coming out, don't forget to check your spam inbox folder. All of my friends selected last year missed the email initially because it was picked up as spam. This is a common occurance. FYI. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8727202) Date: October 4th, 2007 4:31 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease presumably if we've gotten all the other emails from aveudigitalservices we'd get that one, yeah? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8727212) Date: October 4th, 2007 4:34 PM Author: Copper arousing lay Subject: sure Sure. I've never gotten an email from them. Never. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8727216) Date: October 4th, 2007 4:36 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease I got a confirmation when I submitted my application: Department of Justice - Important Message The Department of Justice has received your application for the Attorney General's Honors Program. Following eligibility review, we will refer your application to all components in which you indicated an employment preference. The Department estimates that it will select interview candidates by mid-October and will notify applicants of their status at that time using the email address listed on the application. You also may check for changes in the status of your application by returning to the application site (which you can access through the Office of Attorney Recruitment and Management web page at www.usdoj.gov/oarm) and entering the password and user ID you created when you applied. For other information about the Honors Program, please visit the Office of Attorney Recruitment and Management web page at www.usdoj.gov/oarm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8727221) Date: October 4th, 2007 4:38 PM Author: Copper arousing lay Subject: hmmm hmmm...Yeah... Never got that. Good thing I check their website daily. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8727226) Date: October 4th, 2007 4:39 PM Author: Copper arousing lay Subject: see See, this is what I'm talkinabout!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8727229) Date: October 5th, 2007 9:11 AM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle OK, the emails have started. I need some help. Did I get interviews with EOIR and Civil, or EOIR and Civil Rights? Looks like there was a glitch and I'm going to have to call them? --------------------------------------------------------------- Congratulations. You have been selected for an interview by the Department of Justice component(s) listed below. Please note that your application was referred to all components you designated. Only the component(s) listed here selected you for an interview. Please comply with the guidance provided by each component that selected you regarding submission of writing samples, transcripts, and resumes. Component interview requirements are available at http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/arm/hpinterview.htm The Department will interview Honors Program candidates between October 22 and November 9, 2007 (weekends excluded). Within 72 hours of the receipt of this notice, you must submit a Travel Survey (by fax to (202) 307-0862 or (202) 307-5851) to permit the Department's Conference and Contract Section to schedule your interview and travel. The Travel Survey is located on the Office of Attorney Recruitment and Management (OARM) Honors Program Interviews web page at http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/arm/hp/hpinterview.htm. Your interview cannot be scheduled until the Department receives your Travel Survey. A scheduler will fax your Travel Authorization and itinerary to the fax number you list on the Travel Survey by the Wednesday prior to the week your interview is scheduled (not necessarily the week you requested). Please ensure that all individuals with access to the fax machine you designate know how to contact you upon arrival of information sent by the Department of Justice. We recommend you check the fax machine frequently. If you have not heard from the Department regarding your interview date by Wednesday, November 3, 2007, please contact the Office of Attorney Recruitment and Management immediately at (202) 514-2134 or (202) 514-8900. - CIVIL DIVISION CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION: The Civil Rights Division requests a writing sample not later than October 12, 2007. (If notified of selection late, within 3 business days following notification of selection for interview.) Writing Sample Format: Microsoft Word or Word Perfect Type of Writing Sample: Interview candidates should submit one sample only, of sufficient length to demonstrate the candidate's writing abilities. The sample should be the candidate's exclusive work, unedited by third parties. Submission Method: Submit by e-mail as an attachment to: Harry.Vickers@usdoj.gov. The e-mail subject line should read: HP Writing Sample - Candidate's Name. Special Instructions: The document submitted should contain the candidate's name at the top, right corner. - EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR IMMIGRATION REVIEW EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR IMMIGRATION REVIEW: EOIR requests a writing sample (both electronic and hard copy) and a transcript not later than 5:00 p.m. (Eastern Time), Wednesday, October 17, 2007. Writing Sample Format: Microsoft Word or Word Perfect Type of Writing Sample: Interview candidates should submit one sample only reflecting the candidate's best writing. The sample should be an original piece of the candidate's choice, not too lengthy, and should not have been extensively edited by a third party (e.g., not a heavily-edited law review article or a judicial opinion). Submission Method: Submit writing sample by e-mail as an attachment to: EOIRhonors@writingsamples@usdoj.gov. The e-mail subject line should read: HP Writing Sample - Candidate's Name. Special Instructions: The document submitted by e-mail should contain the candidate's name at the top, right corner. EOIR will collect a paper copy of the writing sample and the candidate's transcript at the interview. Candidates should ensure the transcript lists their full names and law schools. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8729772) Date: October 5th, 2007 9:14 AM Author: Supple tanning salon messiness I also had this question, so I just called them -- the lady looked up my record and said I had been selected by Civil, not Civil Rights. She said it was a technical glitch that listed the Civil Rights requirements and to go to the website to see what the Civil requirements were. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8729778) Date: October 5th, 2007 9:21 AM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle I'll call too, but that's what I suspected. Thanks for that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8729798) Date: October 5th, 2007 9:17 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease wow, two interviews congrats. Mind sharing stats? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8729786) Date: October 5th, 2007 9:26 AM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle HLS, somewhere between top 1/2 and top 1/4, tiny journal. Lots of clinic/moot court/trial ad stuff, 2 summers at nonprofits. The real thing going on here, I think, is that I'm an immigration junkie and it's all over my resume, hence EOIR and I wouldn't be surprised if they were trying to check me out for the Office of Immigration Litigation in the Civil Division, since I hear that they're swamped. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8729809) Date: October 5th, 2007 9:38 AM Author: Bull headed passionate institution boistinker Did everyone else get the most recent email stating that the "notification system did not properly display the components that selected you or provided interview information for the wrong component"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8729835) Date: October 5th, 2007 9:47 AM Author: Copper arousing lay Subject: i got that I got that email. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8729852) Date: October 5th, 2007 9:49 AM Author: Copper arousing lay Subject: this is what it said Ladies and Gentlemen: We have just learned that our notification system did not properlly display the components that selected you or provided interview information for the wrong component. PLEASE DO NOT CALL THE DEPARTMENT AT THIS TIME TO DETERMINE WHICH COMPONENTS SELECTED YOU. You were selected by at least one of the components you applied to. We will correct the problem in the system and resend a notification message next week. In the meantime, please submit your Travel Survey so that scheduling can begin. We apologize for the inconvenience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8729860) Date: October 5th, 2007 9:56 AM Author: Bull headed passionate institution boistinker Right, the email seems to imply that everyone's notification this a.m. was incorrect, but its hard for me to believe that this is the case . . . hope not as I was selected by my first choice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8729875) Date: October 5th, 2007 10:07 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease ditto -- I was selected for the component that I expected I was selected for. Do you think it's possible that applicants were selected for more than the component(s) they received in the initial email? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8729895) Date: October 5th, 2007 9:24 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault No. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8732200) Date: October 5th, 2007 10:09 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease So are we supposed to go ahead and fax our travel survey? How are we supposed to do that without knowing where we're interviewing? My initial email said I was selected for a field office, which means I wouldn't have to travel. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8729897) Date: October 5th, 2007 10:24 AM Author: Copper arousing lay Subject: yes, fax it in I called (even after they said not to) and they said to go ahead and fax your sheet in. I live in the D.C. area, and I'll interview in the D.C. area. If you aren't traveling, it doesn't matter. They need this to schedule your interview. The government contractor that schedules travel and interviews has the correct information as to which offices you are interviewing with and will schedule accordingly. I recommend you fax ASAP to get your preferred interview day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8729948) Date: October 5th, 2007 10:25 AM Author: Copper arousing lay Subject: p.s. The fax doesn't ask for any component-relevant info. They just want to know the days you are available, address, phone, travel distance, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8729954) Date: October 5th, 2007 12:51 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault Everyone has to fax a survey, even if you don't have to travel, so that they can set up an interview date. You just won't get a confirmation of your travel plans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8730503) Date: October 5th, 2007 10:27 AM Author: Copper arousing lay Subject: just got new confirmation interview email message To ensure that all Honors Program interview candidates receive proper notice, we are issuing an interview selection message for each individual hiring component. This message confirms that you were selected for an interview by the Environment and Natural Resources Division. If you were selected by more than one component, you will receive more than one message. Please comply with the guidance provided by each component that selected you regarding submission of writing samples, transcripts, and resumes. Component interview requirements are available at http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/arm/hpinterview.htm The Department will interview Honors Program candidates between October 22 and November 9, 2007 (weekends excluded). Within 72 hours of the receipt of this notice, you must submit a Travel Survey (by fax to (202) 307-0862 or (202) 307-5851) to permit the Department's Conference and Contract Section to schedule your interview and travel. The Travel Survey is located on the Office of Attorney Recruitment and Management (OARM) Honors Program Interviews web page at http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/arm/hp/hpinterview.htm. Your interview cannot be scheduled until the Department receives your Travel Survey. A scheduler will fax your Travel Authorization and itinerary to the fax number you list on the Travel Survey by the Wednesday prior to the week your interview is scheduled (not necessarily the week you requested). Please ensure that all individuals with access to the fax machine you designate know how to contact you upon arrival of information sent by the Department of Justice. We recommend you check the fax machine frequently. If you have not heard from the Department regarding your interview date by Wednesday, November 3, 2007, please contact the Office of Attorney Recruitment and Management immediately at (202) 514-2134 or (202) 514-8900. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8729959) Date: October 5th, 2007 10:43 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease yeah I got a confirmation, too (from a different division) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8730014) Date: October 5th, 2007 10:35 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease I bet the email was sent because of the confusion over whether applicants were selected for Civil Division or Civil Rights. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8729983) Date: October 5th, 2007 10:42 AM Author: Laughsome Orange Pit Incel Any rejection e-mails yet? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8730010) Date: October 5th, 2007 1:40 PM Author: sienna vivacious theater stage mood Subject: Criminal Interview Question Received an interview for the criminal section - does anyone know how many that component is interviewing? What about the interviewing process - any insight there? Thanks! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8730702) Date: October 5th, 2007 1:45 PM Author: Copper arousing lay Subject: i have that q, too At this point, what are the odds for those of us that have interviews? 1/3? 1/2? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8730719) Date: October 5th, 2007 4:13 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease I think the odds are not nearly that good. Their website says they interview around 600 people and they have about 150 slots total. I'm sure it varies somewhat by division, but that makes the odds roughly 1:4. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8731234) Date: October 5th, 2007 1:56 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault I'm not in the criminal division, but from what I gather, what they're really looking for in interviews is a commitment to federal service. That's why people who were SLIP interns have an advantage -- they know from experience that people who summered at firms are likely just planning to stick around for a couple of years and then move on to private work. Believe it or not, it seems that patriotic bullshit about wanting to serve your country is really effective. Mostly, though, make it clear (or at least pretend) that you have always wanted to be a DOJ lawyer and plan to stay for a long time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8730768) Date: October 6th, 2007 9:28 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease Has anyone heard from the Tax division? btw, I received an additional interview aside from the one that was listed in the initial email -- so perhaps more will trickle in? (Though the additional interview notice came very shortly after the other one) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8736187) Date: October 6th, 2007 9:34 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease Also, do branch offices make hiring decisions quicker than the central offices in DC? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8736204) Date: October 7th, 2007 10:09 AM Author: Awkward histrionic stage circlehead am I screwed if I fax my travel survey today? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8738296) Date: October 7th, 2007 9:58 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault You may end up with whatever slot is left over. Interview timing for the HP isn't like clerkships; your interview slot has little to do with your chances. It's mostly a matter of personal preference. Oh, and, dcthopeful, I wouldn't expect anymore interviews. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8741022) Date: October 8th, 2007 11:55 AM Author: Vigorous associate Subject: no interviews yet status hasn't changed and no email...am I screwed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8742740) Date: October 9th, 2007 10:52 AM Author: Copper arousing lay Subject: any advice for writing sample submissions? Hey all, I'm stressing over my writing sample. My division has no max length (they just say "not too lengthy"), so I'm cutting it off at 14-15 pp. They also want it to be unedited. The problem is that everything I've written as of late has been published. I don't want to resort back to my 1L legal writing brief, and most of what I wrote for my summer jobs is still in litigation, so I'm thinking of submitting an excerpted version of my seminar paper. Do you think this is acceptable? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8746785) Date: October 9th, 2007 11:03 AM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault I don't think it matters what it is. When I went in for my interview, it was clear that the guy interviewing me hadn't read my sample, even though I submitted it well in advance. Just make sure it doesn't have any typos or any glaring legal misinterpretations. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8746825) Date: October 9th, 2007 11:39 AM Author: Copper arousing lay Subject: Thanks! Thanks. Yeah, I'll go over it with the proverbial fine-toothed comb. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8746975) Date: October 11th, 2007 1:46 AM Author: provocative lilac heaven roommate that doesn't mean that they don't consider it before making final decisions (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8754034) Date: October 11th, 2007 11:38 AM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault Nowhere in that post did I suggest that they didn't. I just don't think it's particularly important what it is as long as it's a good example of your writing ability. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8754940) Date: October 10th, 2007 8:13 PM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle If you interview with 2 components, will they communicate with each other at all about making an offer (like who likes you more), or could you theoretically end up with 2 offers? And anyone gotten communication about travel plans? I figure it'll take a while, just not sure how long. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8752672) Date: October 10th, 2007 10:05 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease I can only speculate, but I seriously doubt they communicate with each other. The components are very separate, have different hiring practices, different personnel, and don't really communicate with each other. Also, I've heard of people having multiple offers. No word yet on travel plans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8753037) Date: October 11th, 2007 9:04 AM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault 1. No they don't communicate, and yes, you could theoretically end up with two offers. Unfortunately, DOJ offers are unofficially exploding (I say "unofficially," but many interviewers will tell you this). If you don't accept on the spot, they'll typically just call the next person on the list. I don't know whether they would make an exception for someone waiting to hear from another component, but I doubt it. 2. None of the people I know who were selected for interviews have received their travel notification yet (including the student intern who works in my office). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8754427) Date: October 11th, 2007 9:21 AM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle Wow, that's interesting. Someone who got an EOIR clerkship offer 2 years ago told me he was able to keep it open for two weeks, but at the end of that period they got very cranky (he ended up not taking it.) Thanks for being so helpful on this thread, by the way, it's been awesome. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8754452) Date: October 11th, 2007 9:31 AM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault I suspect it really varies. I was told pointedly in my interview that if I was offered the position I should just take it on the spot as they would move on to someone else if I didn't. You're the person who's interviewing with EOIR and Civil, right? If it helps at all, EOIR clerks are eligible to apply for the Honors Program a second time during their clerkship and OIL has become very fond of former EOIR clerks as new hires. They're hiring like crazy lately (mostly because the DOJ's previous response to the massive increase in circuit-level litigation on immigration matters was to farm it out to other components who in turn freaked out) and while it used to be fairly uncommon for people to move to OIL from EOIR clerkships, it's becoming more and more common. Certainly it's hard to speculate as to what the situation would be a year from now, but it might be worth considering taking an EOIR clerkship and then applying again to the Civil Division through HP next fall. You said you have a lot of immigration experience already, but the EOIR clerkship would put you ahead of a lot of the bulk of people OIL hires who have no immigration background at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8754473) Date: October 11th, 2007 10:19 AM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle Cool, that makes a lot of sense, and I just heard of someone else who made the same EOIR-Civil move. thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8754604) Date: October 10th, 2007 10:10 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease Does anyone have a sense of how much the interview matters? Given how many people they interview and the fact that different people interview each candidate, it seems like they're probably just screening for weirdos and will base the majority of the hiring decision on application materials? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8753065) Date: October 11th, 2007 8:20 AM Author: Bull headed passionate institution boistinker On that note, does anyone have a feeling for whether supervisors and/or references listed in application play any part in the decision, or, like most positions, are they not contacted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8754390) Date: October 11th, 2007 9:01 AM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault The DOJ uses what they call a "reference voucher" when they contact your references. The reference voucher basically only asks if the reference believes that the applicant is a threat to national security. In other words, unless your reference is close buds with a decision-maker in the hiring component, the references are essentially meaningless. They will, however, be contacted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8754426) Date: November 6th, 2007 7:25 PM Author: Very Tactful Headpube Macaca this must either not be true for all divisions, or has been changed this year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8861812) Date: October 11th, 2007 8:59 AM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault 1. It depends. I have always gotten the sense that the interviews are pretty important. I think the selection of interviewees is the referendum on credentials; the decision of who to hire seems to be based more on the quality of the writing sample and how people came across in interviews. In addition, some components (at least in the Monica Goodling era) were notorious for drilling interviewees on political matters (Civil Rights, for instance). I had a classmate who withdrew her Honors Program application after her interview with Civil Rights because she was so offended by the blatant partisanship. That's probably different now. In addition, in most components the interviewers meet to do the hiring and share their impressions of the candidates. Final approval for hiring decisions is done at the AG level, actually -- and, in the Monica Goodling era, the files passed through the White House as well. So, yes, the interview is important. They're not just screening for freaks, they're screening for people who just want to use the HP as a stepping stone to the private sector. Like all parts of the federal government, the DOJ prizes loyalty, mostly -- they're looking for people committed to a career in federal service. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8754425) Date: October 11th, 2007 9:28 AM Author: Bull headed passionate institution boistinker Thanks pampersis, very helpful. BTW - I just got my faxed interview information this a.m. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8754464) Date: October 11th, 2007 9:53 AM Author: Copper arousing lay Subject: travel information I am from the D.C. area, but my friend in Florida got her flight information already. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8754523) Date: October 12th, 2007 3:46 PM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle Anyone else get their travel info? I haven't yet, figure I'll give it until Monday before I start neurotically wondering if the fax went through last Fri. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8759669) Date: October 12th, 2007 4:16 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault Did you request an interview in the first week? I think they're probably processing them in date order. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8759775) Date: October 12th, 2007 6:36 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease I got travel info and am scheduled for the second week. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8760396) Date: October 16th, 2007 11:06 PM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle BUMP - anyone else NOT gotten travel info for the honors program? I read the website and it says specifically to not harass them until Oct 31 so I'm hesitating unless I discover I'm the only person I know who hasn't gotten plans, which is how it seems at the moment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8777194) Date: October 17th, 2007 12:22 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease if you're expecting the fax to come into your career office, I would ask them whether anyone else has received a fax. When I picked up my fax at my career office they told me the faxes started "rolling in" that morning, leading me to believe that lots of people were receiving their travel info that day. Of course, that doesn't rule out the possibility that they might be coming in batches. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8779133) Date: October 11th, 2007 5:16 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease is a legal memo (written as an SA) acceptable for a writing sample? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8756025) Date: October 11th, 2007 5:51 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault Get permission from the firm to use it. If it's related to the legal field of the component you're interviewing with and contains legal research and analysis, it should be fine. Redact any identifying information about the parties. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8756154) Date: October 11th, 2007 7:04 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease i obviously have permission, but it's not really related to the legal field of the component I'm interviewing with. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8756431) Date: October 11th, 2007 11:19 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault If it's your best legal writing, then use it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8757284) Date: October 11th, 2007 5:20 PM Author: electric famous landscape painting Since no one is answering my question in the SLIP thread, I guess I'll ask here. What are you chances like when you move to "Selected for Further Consideration" and get an email saying as much from the webapplication? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8756038) Date: October 11th, 2007 5:49 PM Author: Soul-stirring station stock car hello DOJ people: my friend has a first round interview coming up for the criminal division. WHAT QUESTIONS CAN SHE EXPECT and what credentials will get her in the door? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8756141) Date: October 11th, 2007 5:50 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault SLIP or HP? If it's HP, she's already in the door, and this isn't her first round interview -- it's her only one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8756149) Date: October 12th, 2007 7:06 PM Author: self-centered aromatic kitty cat field Has anyone heard from national security division? I think I'm screwed ... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8760469) Date: October 12th, 2007 11:10 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8761123) Date: October 15th, 2007 4:57 PM Author: Laughsome Orange Pit Incel Current Status has changed from "Received by DOJ" to absolutely nothing. No e-mail of any kind yet. Is this happening to anybody else? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8771911) Date: October 15th, 2007 5:53 PM Author: concupiscible prole temple Mine still says "Selected for Interview." sorry dooder. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8772106) Date: October 15th, 2007 8:51 PM Author: Floppy box office love of her life Same here, "Received by DOJ" to nothing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8772675) Date: October 15th, 2007 7:19 PM Author: Vigorous associate Subject: mine did that too It went from Application received to nothing - I think that means we're SoL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8772339) Date: October 15th, 2007 8:52 PM Author: Floppy box office love of her life do we know precisely what the blank status means yet? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8772677) Date: October 15th, 2007 7:20 PM Author: Vigorous associate what does it take to get an interview? T-20, LR, moot courts, trial ad... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8772345) Date: October 15th, 2007 7:21 PM Author: concupiscible prole temple I am T14, top 25%ish, secondary journal, prior non-slip DOJ experience. I think it takes luck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8772349) Date: October 15th, 2007 7:31 PM Author: Vigorous associate I guess I should have thrown salt over my shoulder and rubbed a rabbit foot before submitting my application. haha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8772377) Date: October 15th, 2007 7:32 PM Author: concupiscible prole temple what'd you write for your essays? I think those can make a big difference. I targeted my essay for my first choice division, figuring that my 2nd-4th choices wouldn't even bother with my application. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8772382) Date: October 15th, 2007 7:34 PM Author: Vigorous associate me too, but I'm not good at those "tell me anything about anything" kind of essays. I tend to think they are cheesy and write accordingly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8772389) Date: November 2nd, 2007 11:13 PM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker Subject: stats i'm in a top 50 law school (literally, 50th) bottom 50% of my class BUT top 10 undergrad w/honors, tons of experience in the area of the division that interviewed me (4 jobs since law school began..all very good), 2 editorial positions on secondary law journal and a good essay...i AM good at those bs type essays. that said, i was scared when the only people i met at my interview were from top 10 law schools and were very nice smart etc. another thing: i interview very well...for what that's worth. still, i'm scared i won't get an offer...oh well... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8846049) Date: October 16th, 2007 9:22 AM Author: Copper arousing lay Subject: what does it take to get an interview? Tier 1 state school, top 33%, no moot court, no trial team, no journal, but TONS of federal government experience, a master's degree, publications, and lots of extracurricular junk in the field of the division i'm interviewing with. I think they love federal government dedication and experience in the relevant area of law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8774244) Date: October 16th, 2007 9:24 AM Author: electric famous landscape painting titcr. I think they're eating up my 1L volunteer DOJ internship. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8774248) Date: October 16th, 2007 12:28 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease did you get an interview with the component you interned at? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8774833) Date: October 16th, 2007 1:33 PM Author: electric famous landscape painting no. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8774996) Date: October 15th, 2007 8:56 PM Author: electric famous landscape painting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8772688) Date: October 16th, 2007 1:48 PM Author: self-centered aromatic kitty cat field got my official rejection email today. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8775034) Date: October 16th, 2007 5:02 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease Sorry dooder. It's such a crapshoot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8775656) Date: October 16th, 2007 5:33 PM Author: self-centered aromatic kitty cat field apparently it was. i had good stats. maybe my essays weren't what they were looking for -- nothing specific to the sections i appd to (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8775804) Date: October 16th, 2007 5:38 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8775822) Date: October 16th, 2007 6:01 PM Author: Shimmering cumskin do they still favor tier 4 godlaw? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8775867) Date: October 17th, 2007 1:08 PM Author: electric famous landscape painting Regent Law = Autoadmit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8779324) Date: October 17th, 2007 1:40 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease The OCI thank-you email discussion got me thinking: should we be prepared to send a thank-you email to the folks we interview with? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8779448) Date: October 18th, 2007 9:24 AM Author: Copper arousing lay Subject: selected as finalist If, after our interview, our status changes to "selected as finalist," that doesn't mean we will be ultimately selected. Right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8782879) Date: October 18th, 2007 9:54 AM Author: chocolate candlestick maker From my experience I got the offer 2 days after changing for selected as finalist. My understanding is that being selected as a finalist means that the component wants you and OARM gave them the go-ahead to give you an offer. However, there's no way to tell how far up on the chain you are. an ATR field office may select 4-5 people as finalists but only have 1 HP spot. In that case, they'll give the offer to their first choice, wait a week, and if they accept then you're done. Some components will give 2-3 offers for each spot and make it clear that it's exploding upon acceptance by anyone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8782964) Date: October 18th, 2007 11:32 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease How is your application moving so quickly? Is ENRD done interviewing yet? Also, how soon after your interview did your status change? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8783297) Date: October 18th, 2007 1:30 PM Author: Copper arousing lay Subject: haven't interviewed yet I haven't interviewed yet. I had just heard not to get too excited if your status changes to "finalist." I wanted to dispell this rumor. But the above explanation is very good. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8783672) Date: October 19th, 2007 2:32 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault Interviews don't even start until Monday. She hasn't interviewed yet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8788124) Date: October 19th, 2007 3:56 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8788477) Date: October 19th, 2007 12:09 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease got an email from avue stating that all travel has been arranged. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8787569) Date: October 22nd, 2007 9:44 PM Author: Pale yarmulke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8801737) Date: October 23rd, 2007 7:00 PM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle What do folks know about time frame from interview to offers? Will they wait until the three weeks of interviews are over to even figure it out? good luck and safe, on-time travels to all! (I'm not looking forward to my 6 AM Thurs flight) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8805358) Date: October 24th, 2007 12:19 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault AFAIK, all components wait until all interviews have been completed to meet to discuss hiring. I have heard that there is a DOJ-wide effort to speed up decision-making to put it more in line with firm and clerkship hiring, but the standard in years past has been that most components extend offers between Thanksgiving and Christmas, closer to Thanksgiving. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8808068) Date: October 24th, 2007 12:36 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease do you know the timeline for field offices that hire only one or two attorneys? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8808112) Date: October 24th, 2007 4:30 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault Nope. I have absolutely no experience with field offices. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8808902) Date: October 26th, 2007 4:53 PM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle OK yeah, the Civil interviewer told me that OARM wants the components to have their picks in by November 15 so they can organize things and start calling people the week of Thanksgiving or the week after, and they're definitely supposed to have finished picking people by early December. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8816982) Date: October 24th, 2007 10:30 AM Author: Copper arousing lay Subject: travel mess up - check your email There was a travel blip for some people. FYI see recent email. If you are booked with Omega, you have to call a 1-800 number, as some folks were double-booked! ouch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8807687) Date: October 24th, 2007 11:53 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8807961) Date: October 24th, 2007 3:13 PM Author: Pale yarmulke Can people please share stories of having bombed DOJ honors interviews and still getting the job. tyia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8808620) Date: October 24th, 2007 4:31 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault How bad do you think you bombed? And why? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8808906) Date: October 24th, 2007 5:27 PM Author: Pale yarmulke not horrible but far from a "good" interview. my answer to "why [our office]" was really inarticulate and generic and I got kind of flustered. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8809114) Date: October 26th, 2007 8:57 AM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault As long as you convinced the person that being a DOJ attorney has been your life's ambition and you plan to spend your entire career there, you are probably golden. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8815461) Date: October 24th, 2007 6:05 PM Author: crusty menage ape (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8809218) Date: October 26th, 2007 8:53 AM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle I do know someone who interviewed for an EOIR clerkship two years ago and ended up getting into it with the judge who was grilling him about hypothetical cases. The judge was asking him in what situations he would consider a certain factor in denying asylum cases, he said he would never do that, and it got a little tense. Not really a bombed interview, but he thought he'd screwed it up - then got offered his 1st or 2nd choice site. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8815458) Date: October 24th, 2007 7:13 PM Author: hideous goal in life Subject: Interview... Was the interview more about getting to know you or did you find it to be like a test of your knowledge of that component's field of law? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8809415) Date: October 26th, 2007 8:47 AM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle My interviews (EOIR and Civil) were more getting-to-know-you, with the substantive stuff being simple things like "what issues in immigration are most interesting to you and why," "how would you handle a judge/case that was difficult because of X." EOIR was with an assistant chief immigration judge and went about 40 minutes. Civil was with a senior attorney and went an hour, but I think she talked more than I did. I was expecting them to be harder, but it was really laid-back. Probably depends a lot on the interviewer and how much they like you coming in :) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8815457) Date: October 26th, 2007 8:58 AM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault That's pretty consistent with what I've heard. The interviews exist mostly to assess the "fit" of the person in the department, their experience and interest in the substantive area of law, and their commitment to federal service. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8815463) Date: October 26th, 2007 3:02 AM Author: Jade outnumbered jew Subject: Travel and Interview The travel was horrendous. All of my flights were canceled or delayed. I was very lucky to even make it to the interview. One interview was a very casual one person interview. The other was very, very rough. Tough questions and meeting with multiple people for hours. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8815291) Date: October 26th, 2007 10:48 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease which divisions? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8815585) Date: October 29th, 2007 11:53 AM Author: Sable patrolman I had the same experience. One interview was really tough with rapid-fire questions. One was really laid back. I think it depends on the interviewers more than the divisions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8826221) Date: October 27th, 2007 5:07 PM Author: exhilarant maniacal set if you get an offer from one of your divisions, does anyone know how it's determined which section you end up in? i've heard some sections in civil rights are less partisan (e.g., the criminal section) than others (e.g., voting rights)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8819379) Date: October 27th, 2007 10:27 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault I believe you are permitted to express preferences, but most people are assigned according to component need. For instance, Civil Rights hired about 10 people when I joined the department, and eight of them were assigned to Voting Rights (which none of them had selected as a preference). Most components do have annual "open seasons" where attorneys can put in to change sections. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8820481) Date: October 29th, 2007 9:17 AM Author: Bull headed passionate institution boistinker Anyone interview with ATR DC division yet? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8825947) Date: October 29th, 2007 11:51 AM Author: Sable patrolman I did. Have you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8826216) Date: October 30th, 2007 4:00 PM Author: Bull headed passionate institution boistinker No, not yet. Had not heard anything (good or bad) about ATR to this point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8831219) Date: October 29th, 2007 9:23 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease Why do you ask? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8828440) Date: October 31st, 2007 1:11 PM Author: Copper arousing lay Subject: make sure you. . . Hey all: just a word to the wise.....make sure you amp up your litigation experience and have specific examples of how you assisted with litigation practices. After all my studying for this interview (and how important I knew that litigation experience is to DOJ), somehow I blanked when they asked me about my litigation experience. I left so much out! Just don't forget! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8834744) Date: October 31st, 2007 1:17 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease Subject: Litigation experience? We're 3Ls (or coming out of clerkships). How can we have much litigation experience beyond trial skills courses, mock trial, or summer internships? How do you think your interview went? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8834771) Date: November 9th, 2007 1:29 PM Author: Copper arousing lay Subject: clerkships Well, DOJ seems to LOVE folks who have had federal judicial clerkships. THAT is where you get the litigation experience, my friend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8874006) Date: October 31st, 2007 1:53 PM Author: Marvelous violent athletic conference gas station Subject: SLIP interview Is it normal for SLIP applicants to have a phone interview and also an in person interview at law school? Does this 2nd interview suggest that I may be at the finalist round?? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8834885) Date: October 31st, 2007 1:58 PM Author: Pale yarmulke this thread is only about entry level positions. there's another thread about SLIP. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8834899) Date: November 1st, 2007 4:35 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease At what stage are references contacted? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8840134) Date: November 1st, 2007 10:32 PM Author: Pale yarmulke I'm curious about this too. do they contact all interviewees referenceS? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8841705) Date: November 2nd, 2007 3:33 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease bump (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8844272) Date: November 2nd, 2007 4:04 PM Author: crusty menage ape (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8844369) Date: November 2nd, 2007 4:30 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease I doubt we'll hear anything until after next week, since that's the final week of interviews. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8844480) Date: November 2nd, 2007 4:34 PM Author: crusty menage ape (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8844496) Date: November 3rd, 2007 10:43 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault Not until quite late in the process. They are asked questions like "Do you believe that [APPLICANT] is loyal to the United States?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8849422) Date: November 3rd, 2007 10:45 PM Author: Big Indirect Expression a classmate said that their references were getting calls last week (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8849434) Date: November 2nd, 2007 11:05 PM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker Subject: need advice so i interviewed with EOIR...interview went really well...judge really liked me...talked over an hour and he walked me out to the elevator etc etc...BUT i interviewed on Monday at 4 and have been absolutely slammed at school/work/etc all week plus mpre hell tomorrow...i have my thank you card and havent mailed it. i was going to put it in the mail tomorrow. am i doomed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8846001) Date: November 2nd, 2007 11:34 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease I don't think it's a problem. They're interviewing students all next week too, so it wouldn't be too late. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8846132) Date: November 3rd, 2007 5:27 PM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker Subject: Thanks Thanks for the quick response...On a sep note, during my EOIR interview the judge told me that EOIR didn't have as much control over who gets hired as they had in the past...he seemed to like me but seemed to be saying it's not really in his hands- thoughts? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8848133) Date: November 3rd, 2007 6:12 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease Sounds like he was being honest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8848296) Date: November 3rd, 2007 5:34 PM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker Subject: Qs-Mainly EOIR, not to be annoying! *** Have any idea how many people they interviewed at EOIR/how many spots? *** Is EOIR t as competitive grades,etc-wise as the others? *** How much does writing sample matter? I think there was a minor typo on mine ...i made the mistake of last minute trying to edit it w/o showing it to anyone else. ***How impt is the EOIR interview? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8848155) Date: November 3rd, 2007 6:16 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease I really have no basis to answer your questions, but I don't think any of the divisions are terribly strict about grades. I would guess that Civil Division cares the most. It seems to me that they weigh roughly equally an applicant's 1) interview, 2) objective academic credentials, and 3) desire to work for the government/division and experience in the field (e.g. econ degree for Antitrust, environmental law externships and clinics for ENRD). Edit: I'm sure that the weight accorded to one's writing sample varies largely by division, but I know that in neither of my interviews had the interviewers looked at my writing sample. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8848322) Date: November 3rd, 2007 10:42 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault 1. According to internal numbers, they interviewed about 180 people for about 30 spots. 2. Pretty competitive. Lots of people come out of clerkships, and while not everyone is from a top 14 school, most people graduate at or near the top of their class. EOIR is, however, one of the components that routinely requests "exceptions" for hires that might not have the best grades or law review experience, but who demonstrate a particular interest or expertise in immigration. 3. A good bit, but I wouldn't worry about one typo. 4. Pretty important. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8849417) Date: November 3rd, 2007 10:47 PM Author: Big Indirect Expression yikes, that's discouraging. it's high compared to the other divisions isn't it? the OARM site says that they interview something like 600-800 applicants for ~150 spots. Assuming they interview 800, the average would be 5.3 interviews per slot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8849446) Date: November 4th, 2007 12:09 AM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault Don't be discouraged. I believe the 600-800 number is the number of interviews they conduct, and many applicants interview with more than one division. Also, EOIR hires more people than any other division every year; they may be hiring more than 30. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8849769) Date: November 4th, 2007 2:56 AM Author: Big Indirect Expression exactly. 180/30 = 6 600 to 800/150 = 4 to 5.3 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8850557) Date: November 3rd, 2007 10:56 PM Author: puce site jap You wouldn't happen to have any ATR SLIP numbers re: number of applicants/selected for further consideration/finalist/offer, would you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8849481) Date: November 3rd, 2007 11:06 PM Author: Big Indirect Expression (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8849512) Date: November 4th, 2007 12:08 AM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault As I've said in multiple other posts, I have no idea what goes on in SLIP. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8849764) Date: November 5th, 2007 11:51 AM Author: Carmine indian lodge friendly grandma How much emphasis does EOIR put on immigration experience? I'm from a T25, bottom of class, no law review. However, I have worked for DHS, an immigration firm, and interning with EOIR right now at an immigration court writing decisions for judges. Also got an A+ in immigration law. I guess the reason I even got an interview was because of experience and interest in immigration law. The judges at the court seem to really like me and one even said he'd make a call on my behalf (judge that interviewed me is a friend of his). So I'm wondering if any of that gonna matter in the end or am I still screwed b/c of 1L grades? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8855784) Date: November 5th, 2007 12:18 PM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker Hi- I'm wondering the same thing actually. Since starting law school I have worked for 2 immigration law firms and 2 immigration non-profits got an A in immigration law and am participating in the immigration clinic. I am bottom of my class bc of 1L grades as well...on the one hand, I feel as though grades aren't really an issue bc otherwise I would not have been interviewed, however, the judge who interviewed seemed to say that there is a lot of oversight up the chain of command in DOJ and that EOIR no longer has total control over who they hire. Cheburator, sounds like you have a really good shot-though I have no real basis for saying so. It's always good to have people calling in on your behalf! Also, the judge did say that there are always people who don't take the job once it's offered to them...any thoughts about that? Any thoughts about how much control EOIR has over who they hire? I really want to work there!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8855877) Date: November 5th, 2007 12:37 PM Author: Carmine indian lodge friendly grandma Yeah sounds like we're both in pretty much the same boat. I too really want to work there. Not sure how well I was able to bring that point across however at the interview, said something about how I thought working for govt was better than working for a firm overall, dont really rememeber the details anymore. but thought the interview went ok, judge seemed really nice and really loved talking about his experience in immigration. I know two people who were in EOIR honors program and while both were around top 1/3 of their classes, neither had any prior experience whatsever in immigration. Dont know if thats good or bad in our case (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8855938) Date: November 5th, 2007 1:10 PM Author: Big Indirect Expression well it's a good sign that you were both selected to interview -- i think it shows that they're looking for people genuinely interested in immigration law. they probably get scooped by other divisions for applicants who have good stats but aren't completely devoted to immigration law. fwiw, I'm in the lower-middle of my class at a T14 w/no immigration experience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8856050) Date: November 5th, 2007 10:17 PM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker I agree. FYI, the only person I know in EOIR went to my school - T50 - and did ok not great- never was 100% clear but i'm sure got A in immigration- worked at nonprofit in imm and an imm firm after 2L just like me...had good journal experience too...like me he went to ivy undergrad so idk if that even matters but maybe- i've stopped trying to figure it out. i just hope they hire people committed to the field. in this area of the law as in crim and some others it's just so impt i think. good luck everyone and thanks for all the helpful posts! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8858378) Date: November 5th, 2007 11:52 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease bump. how have everyone's interviews been going? anyone hear anything? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8858824) Date: November 6th, 2007 10:12 AM Author: Sable patrolman I heard from a friend in the DOJ that they have been discussing interviewees during section meetings. My friend also said that there was very little chance that anyone hears anything before Thanksgiving. Since interviews aren't over until Fri Nov. 9, and Monday the 12th is a federal holiday, I can't imagine that any division is going to get their picks into OARM by Nov. 15 like they had hoped. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8859718) Date: November 6th, 2007 10:50 AM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault Interviewers in our division have been e-mailing interview reports among themselves and those responsible for hiring. Again, I have no hiring input whatsoever, but it seems like they're making a truly concerted effort to get offers out before Thanksgiving. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8859821) Date: November 7th, 2007 2:35 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease bump. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8865283) Date: November 8th, 2007 3:57 PM Author: Big Indirect Expression has anyone's references been called? A friend of mine said that his references had been called for TWO separate divisions he was interviewing at but mine haven't been called. Bad sign? what does it all mean? (I interviewed with EOIR) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8870021) Date: November 8th, 2007 8:45 PM Author: Well-lubricated corner Yeah, mine were called. They called just a couple days after my interview. I believe the reference call was made by the same person who interviewed me. I didn't interview EOIR, however. I wouldn't read too much into this if I were you -- my guess is that it varies by section. Good luck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8871372) Date: November 9th, 2007 12:15 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease which division? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8872264) Date: November 8th, 2007 6:39 PM Author: Jade outnumbered jew Subject: Selected as Finalist Anyone showing this yet? If so, what division did you interview for? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8870812) Date: November 8th, 2007 7:37 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease mine isn't. Is yours (or anyone you know)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8871078) Date: November 8th, 2007 8:46 PM Author: Well-lubricated corner Me neither. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8871374) Date: November 9th, 2007 9:34 AM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker Subject: me neither mine still says "selected for interview" ...how could you be a finalist? i thought they were still interviewing this week. Seems odd that they would select finalists w/o having met everyone. Actually I only know that EOIR is still interviewing this week- have other divisions finished their interviews? Please keep the good info coming! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8873328) Date: November 9th, 2007 2:16 PM Author: Copper arousing lay My status still says "selected for interview". I don't think they could possibly select finalists before next week, as interviews end today (Nov.9). If anyone's status changes, please post it! I'm nervous...my references haven't been contacted yet :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8874164) Date: November 9th, 2007 3:20 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault In some divisions your references aren't contacted unless you're going to be offered a position -- but it varies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8874403) Date: November 9th, 2007 3:26 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease You're referring to EOIR, right? And that's only after your status is officially changed to "finalist," correct? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8874422) Date: November 9th, 2007 3:46 PM Author: Copper arousing lay okay. my references WERE contacted. it's lame that this makes me feel better. things are getting exciting! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8874511) Date: November 9th, 2007 3:48 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease so it sounds like everyone's references get contacted pretty much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8874524) Date: November 9th, 2007 5:57 PM Author: Jade outnumbered jew Well, no reference was contacted (at least not the one I talked to), but avue shows "selected as finalist." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8875060) Date: November 9th, 2007 6:00 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease division, please! edit: if you don't want to post it, would you be willing to email me? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8875078) Date: November 9th, 2007 10:55 PM Author: Jade outnumbered jew Nope, won't reveal division, but I interviewed the very first week, and I had two interviews. I don't know which I was selected as finalist for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8876300) Date: November 9th, 2007 7:21 PM Author: Pale yarmulke c'mon dooder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8875395) Date: November 9th, 2007 11:31 PM Author: spectacular plaza Subject: Don't Buy It Reaper, Don't buy it. He/She has nothing to lose by posting the sections he/she interviewed with. Furthermore, if DOJ is serious about a candidate they will call their references, suggesting to me that anonymous poster is full of it! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8876397) Date: November 14th, 2007 11:00 AM Author: Jade outnumbered jew Subject: :) Got call today! For those wondering, it's not EOIR. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8893406) Date: November 14th, 2007 11:20 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8893481) Date: November 10th, 2007 10:13 AM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker Subject: not contacted Hello, I interviewed 2nd week for EOIR and 1 of my references has not been contacted. Don't know abotu the others. Dont know if it says selected as a finalist. WOuld someone with reason to know one way or the other let me know if this means anything? Thanks! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8877099) Date: November 10th, 2007 12:09 PM Author: spectacular plaza Subject: References As several people already noted,it varies by section. But if you use common sense, DOJ is interviewing how many applicants? Each with three references? And they have to have their selections to OARM by November 15? The limited amount of time and the amount of people they have to call is good circumstantial evidence that contact is made for those they are seriously considering. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8877406) Date: November 10th, 2007 2:19 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease There are some posts on the "Greedy Government" (http://www.infirmation.com/bboard/clubs.tcl?topic=Government%20Lawyers ) discussion board about reference checking and DOJ. Do a search for "references." One poster indicated that their references were not contacted but they received an offer, but a friend's references were contacted and they didn't receive an offer. http://www.infirmation.com/bboard/clubs-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001HV3 Another post (http://www.infirmation.com/bboard/clubs-fetch-msg.tcl?topic=Government%20Lawyers&msg_id=003DFi ) says that they think Civil just checks references of anyone who interviewed (which seems like an enormous amount of work). So for that division, it might be meaningless. Of course, it's all hearsay, so take it with a grain of salt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8877795) Date: November 10th, 2007 10:07 PM Author: Sable patrolman I only had one reference contacted... by the Tax Division. The other division I interviewed with hasn't contacted my references at all. Maybe they are only contacting a limited number of references. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8879822) Date: November 13th, 2007 8:47 AM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker Subject: anyone's status change for eoir to finalist??? my avue has not changed. still says selected for interview. has anyone else waiting to hear from eoir had their status change? or has anyone heard whether or not their refs were contacted??? when should we expect our avue to change? if we are NOT selected will it say so on avue? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8888550) Date: November 13th, 2007 10:30 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease Didn't interview with eoir but status has not changed from "selected for interview." Think about the timeline - if interviews ended last Friday, and yesterday was a fed holiday, there's no way they'd have selected their finalists and submitted them to OARM by today. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8888730) Date: November 13th, 2007 2:35 PM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker yea good point. but some of the other posts above had started to worry me. have any EOIR people's references been contacted? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8889676) Date: November 14th, 2007 11:27 AM Author: trip massive native Subject: Status Changed to Finalist & Question I interviewed for ENRD, and my status just changed to "Selected for Finalist." I know that at least two of my references have been contacted. Here's the question: I was also offered a dist. court clerkship for the 2009-10 term earlier this week, and I have to let the judge know by Monday -- before I'll know about the DOJ. I have an offer at a good firm, and I think (not sure yet, but am in process of finding out) they will not have a problem w/ me leaving after one year to clerk, as long as I reasonably expect to return. What would you do? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8893500) Date: November 14th, 2007 11:38 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease tough situation. I would call the judge and explain the situation. Also, because the clerkship isn't for the term right after you graduate, by accepting a clerkship with this judge you're foreclosing any possibility of doing the Honors Program. And of course you can leave a firm to clerk after a year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8893526) Date: November 14th, 2007 11:38 AM Author: chrome mentally impaired public bath striped hyena I'd accept the clerkship, and wait and see how DOJ pans out. DOJ looooves clerks. you could do DOJ for a year, clerk, come back, and then do whatever you want (firm, USAO, etc). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8893527) Date: November 14th, 2007 11:41 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease I think that's somewhat optimistic. You can't do the DOJ honors program with a year at a firm between law school and the clerkship. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8893537) Date: November 14th, 2007 11:44 AM Author: chrome mentally impaired public bath striped hyena but you can do DOJ-clerk-DOJ, which is what the OP would do since it's an '09-'10 clerkship (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8893554) Date: November 14th, 2007 11:47 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease Most Honors Attorneys are hired for a 3-year commitment. I doubt that they would be too happy if she left after a year, unless she somehow got prior approval. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8893566) Date: November 14th, 2007 11:48 AM Author: chrome mentally impaired public bath striped hyena nope, only for LRAP. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8893571) Date: November 14th, 2007 11:56 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease I sincerely hope you look into this. I've been told from many other Honors Attorneys that there's an understanding when they're hired that they will be there for a minimum of three years, regardless of LRAP. But I'm not entirely clear on how flexible they would be about leaving after a year or two. There's some discussion about this on infirmation: http://www.infirmation.com/bboard/clubs-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002YtE http://www.infirmation.com/bboard/clubs-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002Yu0 http://www.infirmation.com/bboard/clubs-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002sRk http://www.infirmation.com/bboard/clubs-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002tuj http://www.infirmation.com/bboard/clubs-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002toy etc. (Just do a search for "commitment") (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8893594) Date: November 14th, 2007 12:48 PM Author: Jade outnumbered jew By the way, do not call the judge about this. The judge will probably move onto the next candidate, unless he/she is super understanding, which is the exception and not the norm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8893821) Date: November 14th, 2007 12:47 PM Author: Jade outnumbered jew Subject: Clerk! Do the district court clerkship. If you really want to do DOJ, just apply again next year for after your clerkship. Your odds will increase, if anything. The clerkship will be awesome for your resume. You still qualify for the honors program if you clerk. I'm a clerk and it's well worth it. Do not turn down the clerkship...You can always reapply for DOJ after your clerkship and your odds are increased, but it does not work the other way around. If you turn down the clerkship, you may not get another chance. Here is the two situations: 1) You take the district court clerkship. You defer your firm offer for a year. Next year, September 2008, you apply again to DOJ (you are still eligible as a clerk). You will find out by December 2008 whether or not you will get in. Your firm offer will still be open since you won't start until after September 2009. If you don't get DOJ then, you will still have your firm offer as a back up. If you do get DOJ and want to go, you can take it. 2) You decline the clerkship. If you don't get DOJ, you will go to the firm and won't get to reapply to DOJ until a few years down the line as an experienced attorney (no more honors program). Door is closed if you don't get an offer from DOJ. Of course, in the best case, you will get a DOJ offer. So, #1 is the better scenario. Take the clerkship, and you probably won't regret it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8893816) Date: November 14th, 2007 12:58 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease I think you misread OP's post. The clerkship is for '09-10, so OP would work at a firm for a year, then clerk, and would then be ineligible for DOJ Honors (because she worked for a year between law school and clerking). Also, can you please, pretty please answer my question re: field office? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8893870) Date: November 14th, 2007 1:00 PM Author: Copper arousing lay Subject: clerk! Take the clerkship. It is not looked highly upon to turn one of those puppies down, and it can open so many doors for you - including another offer from DOJ down the line. Clerk! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8893879) Date: November 14th, 2007 2:00 PM Author: trip massive native Clarification, and updated scenario: DOJ is no longer theoretical; offer just made. Also, as was mentioned, clerkship would be for 2009-10, so I would be disqualified from reapplying to Honors. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8894164) Date: November 14th, 2007 2:05 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease holy shit, congrats! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8894186) Date: November 14th, 2007 2:08 PM Author: Sable patrolman Congrats!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8894195) Date: November 14th, 2007 2:11 PM Author: Copper arousing lay Subject: clerk Regardless, I still think one should never turn down a federal judicial clerkship. I would go with the firm, then clerk, then back to the firm, and you can always lateral to DOJ later. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8894212) Date: November 14th, 2007 2:16 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault So it would appear that interview's section has been outed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8894242) Date: November 14th, 2007 2:17 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease maybe more than one division is making offers today? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8894248) Date: November 14th, 2007 2:20 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault With the exact same timing? Doubtful. In addition, literally no one else has seen their status change, let alone gotten an offer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8894259) Date: November 14th, 2007 2:20 PM Author: Copper arousing lay Subject: hmmmm I interviewed w ENRD and my status still says "selected for interview." So does my classmate's. So sad :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8894262) Date: November 14th, 2007 3:20 PM Author: crusty menage ape How is that the case? I'm sure I'm missing something, as I'm not the best detective. Thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8894528) Date: November 14th, 2007 3:51 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault interview said that s/he noticed a status change to "selected as finalist" this morning and then got a call with an offer this afternoon. S/he declined to disclose the component. Then another poster said that he had interviewed with ENRD and that his status changed to "selected as finalist" this morning. He later posted to say that he got an offer call in the afternoon. One other poster noted a status change last week, but no phone call. There's been no other movement. I'd say interview's component is pretty clear. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8894653) Date: November 14th, 2007 3:53 PM Author: crusty menage ape Good work. Makes me feel better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8894664) Date: November 14th, 2007 3:58 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault If you interviewed with Civil, I wouldn't hold your breath. OIL alone is planning to hire around 25 people and they interview the most people of any division. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8894679) Date: November 14th, 2007 4:11 PM Author: crusty menage ape (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8894714) Date: November 14th, 2007 7:49 PM Author: Excitant gold locus legal warrant Subject: selected as a finalist Which components have selected finalists or extended offers? The heads-up would be much appreciated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8895485) Date: November 14th, 2007 9:41 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault It appears that ENRD has made offers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8896007) Date: November 14th, 2007 10:08 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease has your status changed to finalist? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8896176) Date: November 15th, 2007 9:03 AM Author: Excitant gold locus legal warrant not yet - just wanted to see if anything other than ENRD had selected finalists or made offers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8897697) Date: November 15th, 2007 9:43 AM Author: godawful point i've been selected as a finalist, but i don't know for which component. i interviewed with ATR and a USAO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8897755) Date: November 15th, 2007 1:48 PM Author: Excitant gold locus legal warrant Congrats! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8898436) Date: November 15th, 2007 2:37 PM Author: stimulating citrine university keepsake machete It may be too much to ask, but a USAO in what district, or at least, on what coast? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8898641) Date: November 15th, 2007 2:45 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault It was there before, but he edited. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8898680) Date: November 15th, 2007 4:05 PM Author: godawful point what makes you think i'm a "he"? CD CA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8898962) Date: November 15th, 2007 5:19 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault Centuries of sexism. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8899206) Date: November 15th, 2007 5:42 PM Author: godawful point well you're right, but i just wondered anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8899296) Date: November 15th, 2007 5:12 PM Author: exhilarant maniacal set crim div has started extending offers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8899183) Date: November 14th, 2007 7:50 PM Author: puce site jap MUKASEYBUMP! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8895488) Date: November 14th, 2007 7:53 PM Author: Excitant gold locus legal warrant Subject: passing a bar exam does passing a bar exam get weighed into the finalist selection process? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8895492) Date: November 14th, 2007 9:40 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault Hahahaha. No. How would they even know? Do you plan to update your interviewer? DOJ attorneys are required to be admitted to the bar. Passing a bar exam means you get to keep your job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8896006) Date: November 15th, 2007 9:05 AM Author: Excitant gold locus legal warrant of course they are required to pass - but, out of the ~150 people that they hire, it's hard to believe that some don't fail each year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8897701) Date: November 15th, 2007 9:36 AM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault It's actually not hard to believe at all that virtually no one fails. You are aware that this is a prestigious job, right? Most people they hire are exceptionally smart. I don't know a single person in my "class" here who failed. In addition, they hire a *lot* of people who haven't even graduated from law school yet. I was hired as a 3L before I even decided what bar to take. Regardless, you still haven't answered my question -- how would they even know you passed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8897739) Date: November 15th, 2007 12:41 PM Author: Excitant gold locus legal warrant Quite aware. And, there's a spot on the application for bar admissions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8898224) Date: November 15th, 2007 12:57 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault You asked whether passing a bar exam was relevant to the final steps, not whether being admitted to the bar when you apply helps. The clear implication is that you wondered if it would help you to let them know that you've passed the bar. It won't. Date: November 14th, 2007 7:53 PM Author: dccandidate Subject: passing a bar exam does passing a bar exam get weighed into the finalist selection process (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8898269) Date: November 15th, 2007 1:34 PM Author: Excitant gold locus legal warrant With all due respect, I didn't stumble onto the website until very recently; you read far too much into the manner with which the question was phrased. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8898383) Date: November 15th, 2007 2:02 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault So what you really meant was whether those people who are admitted to practice have an advantage? No. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8898505) Date: November 15th, 2007 11:02 AM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault Subject: DOJ Honors Blog I put this in a seperate post, but hopefully it will prevent dcthopeful from shitting his pants on a regular basis. http://dojhonors2007.blogspot.com (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8897936) Date: November 15th, 2007 11:24 AM Author: Copper arousing lay Subject: Thanks! Thanks! That's pretty cool. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8897979) Date: November 15th, 2007 12:33 PM Author: Sable patrolman Subject: Tax Division Anyone heard anything from tax? References contacted? Status Updates? Offer? Anything? Thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8898186) Date: November 15th, 2007 3:05 PM Author: crusty menage ape (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8898753) Date: November 16th, 2007 10:30 AM Author: bat-shit-crazy duck-like stag film selected as finalist. Thinking EOIR, but could be Civil (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8901671) Date: November 16th, 2007 10:44 AM Author: smoky titillating hunting ground hominid Subject: Selected as Finalist My status also changed to selected as finalist this morning. I interviewed with Antitrust and Tax (Civil), but only my antitrust references were contacted. So I'm guessing it's for antitrust... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8901750) Date: November 16th, 2007 11:00 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease selected as finalist, antitrust (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8901814) Date: November 16th, 2007 11:01 AM Author: smoky titillating hunting ground hominid Subject: Selected as Finalist Antitrust Did you interview for DC or a field office? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8901820) Date: November 16th, 2007 11:02 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8901824) Date: November 16th, 2007 11:05 AM Author: smoky titillating hunting ground hominid I'm just hoping that I'm not just a "finalist" in the sense that I'm on some wait list (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8901837) Date: November 16th, 2007 11:06 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8901841) Date: November 16th, 2007 11:06 AM Author: smoky titillating hunting ground hominid Would you mind saying what geographic area the field office was (east coast, midwest, west coast, south)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8901842) Date: November 16th, 2007 11:11 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8901853) Date: November 16th, 2007 11:11 AM Author: smoky titillating hunting ground hominid Good luck! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8901856) Date: November 16th, 2007 11:12 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease you too! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8901857) Date: November 16th, 2007 12:24 PM Author: godawful point jd priest and dcthopeful, did you guys interview for civil or criminal antitrust? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902068) Date: November 16th, 2007 1:02 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease You just interview with the whole division; it's not section specific. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902210) Date: November 16th, 2007 1:05 PM Author: godawful point not so. i interviewed with antitrust but it was the criminal enforcement side, not the civil, because i didn't have an econ background. also the field offices are generally criminal enforcement as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902222) Date: November 16th, 2007 1:07 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease I think you're mistaken. Perhaps you interviewed with people from the criminal enforcement section, but you get an offer for the entire division and then rank your preferences before starting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902228) Date: November 16th, 2007 1:08 PM Author: godawful point I see. I wasn't aware of that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902231) Date: November 16th, 2007 1:12 PM Author: Excitant gold locus legal warrant Jdpriest & Dchopeful, did you guys interview in one of the field offices or headquarters? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902240) Date: November 16th, 2007 1:13 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902247) Date: November 16th, 2007 1:22 PM Author: Excitant gold locus legal warrant Nothing came up on the message screen - I'm just curious because it was my understanding that ATR DC wasn't moving on finalists/offers until the 19th (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902294) Date: November 16th, 2007 1:24 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902304) Date: November 16th, 2007 1:35 PM Author: Excitant gold locus legal warrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902371) Date: November 16th, 2007 1:40 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902394) Date: November 16th, 2007 1:40 PM Author: Excitant gold locus legal warrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902399) Date: November 16th, 2007 1:41 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902411) Date: November 16th, 2007 1:43 PM Author: Excitant gold locus legal warrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902419) Date: November 16th, 2007 1:44 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease Yep, thanks. Good luck, and keep us posted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902422) Date: November 16th, 2007 1:46 PM Author: Excitant gold locus legal warrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902440) Date: November 16th, 2007 1:47 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902443) Date: November 16th, 2007 1:47 PM Author: Excitant gold locus legal warrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902446) Date: November 16th, 2007 1:56 PM Author: godawful point are all these messages private or something? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902486) Date: November 16th, 2007 2:03 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault No, he's posting then editing them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902520) Date: November 16th, 2007 2:07 PM Author: godawful point geez. you go out to get lunch and you miss a whole exchange... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902550) Date: November 16th, 2007 11:14 AM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker Has anyone heard if they are an EOIR finalist? I spoke with a DOJ EOIR attorney last night who said she did not get her offer until a few days before Christmas two years ago. I did not ask her if she has been selected as a finalist before that. If we are not selected, will someone tell us? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8901864) Date: November 16th, 2007 11:17 AM Author: Charismatic pervert Subject: Selected as a finalist Selected as a Finalist this morning. Interviewed with EOIR and OIL (Civil Division). Bottom quarter of class, none of my references were contaced. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8901874) Date: November 16th, 2007 11:41 AM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker Hi guys- for those of you who interviewed with 2 divisions and who were selected as finalists, do you have any idea which division selected you? it seems a lot of civil people have been selected as finalists...thanks! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8901934) Date: November 16th, 2007 11:52 AM Author: Khaki locale partner Subject: EOIR and Civil (OIL) when did you interview? i'm sorry for the other thread. i've never posted here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8901962) Date: November 16th, 2007 11:54 AM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker I interviewed for EOIR (only one i applied to) on Monday of the 2nd week. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8901973) Date: November 16th, 2007 11:55 AM Author: multi-colored fiercely-loyal lettuce Subject: EOIR Did anybody that interviewed with just the EOIR get Selected as Finalist? I know two now who did both EOIR and OIL that did so Im just trying to find out. Thanks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8901974) Date: November 16th, 2007 2:25 PM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle I'm another that interviewed with EOIR and OIL, except I pretty much told OIL to take me out of the running yesterday, so if I was on their list this week, I'm sure I'm off it now. So it's just EOIR that's alive for me - haven't changed from "selected for interview." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902651) Date: November 16th, 2007 1:40 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault Sounds like EOIR. Word has it OIL doesn't anticipate extending offers until after Thanksgiving. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902401) Date: November 16th, 2007 2:03 PM Author: multi-colored fiercely-loyal lettuce Subject: well I was told OIL would be extending before thanksgiving for sure, but I guess it doesn't mean they will. If you find out for sure please let us know man, thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902518) Date: November 16th, 2007 2:05 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault I don't know anything for sure . . . these are internal rumors. I know that upper-level Department management has asked the components to be finished before Thanksgiving, but for some offices it might not be possible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902532) Date: November 16th, 2007 2:20 PM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle My OIL interviewer said that they would make at least some offers later than usual because there was some hold up getting extra budget approved for the tons of people they are hiring this year - normally they get like 5, this year they are trying to hire 20-25, and if they didn't get the budget approved in time to fit with OARM's schedule, they'd have some offers at the normal time and some later in December. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902622) Date: November 16th, 2007 2:41 PM Author: multi-colored fiercely-loyal lettuce Subject: OIL Thanks for the info, I am Selected but am wondering from which one. I actually think it is OIL since nobody from just the EOIR seems to have had their status changed. I am hoping it is OIL also... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902737) Date: November 16th, 2007 11:53 AM Author: Supple tanning salon messiness Civil Tax, Criminal, and Civil have made at least some offers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8901970) Date: November 16th, 2007 12:23 PM Author: Bearded sanctuary Subject: Where? Where are you getting your information from? Have the people that received offers from those components had their status change on avue? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902065) Date: November 16th, 2007 12:28 PM Author: Supple tanning salon messiness Their status has changed on avue, yes. The sections made the calls yesterday and today. I know about the offers from the offeree, though, not because I am in the DOJ, so I have no idea how many offers they have made, if they still have calls to make in the first round of offers, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902086) Date: November 16th, 2007 12:28 PM Author: Charismatic pervert Subject: Has anyone received a call? Has DOJ actually made contact with anyone to extend offers? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902083) Date: November 16th, 2007 2:44 PM Author: abnormal trust fund Subject: Offer Offer from civil division today. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902756) Date: November 16th, 2007 3:04 PM Author: abnormal trust fund Phone. They called the number listed on my resume. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902874) Date: November 16th, 2007 3:05 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault What office? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902887) Date: November 16th, 2007 3:23 PM Author: abnormal trust fund I'd prefer not to say since there are so few positions. All calls are supposedly going out today for the first round offers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902970) Date: November 16th, 2007 11:04 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault For civil in general or for your office? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8904807) Date: November 16th, 2007 2:59 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle French Chef Faggotry Subject: Offer? To those who have received offers from Civil: were you contacted by telephone or by email? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902852) Date: November 16th, 2007 3:18 PM Author: Bearded sanctuary Subject: Tax Has anyone, first- hand, heard from either the civil or criminal side of the Tax Division? Has anyone, first-hand, had a status change on Avue that interviewed with the Tax Division? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8902950) Date: November 16th, 2007 3:37 PM Author: Charismatic pervert Subject: Finalist-- Guarantee Does having the selected as finalist indication guarantee an offer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903034) Date: November 16th, 2007 3:41 PM Author: godawful point not necessarily. a component could select several finalists, ranking them in order of preference, and then go down the list with offers until one accepts. if first choice accepts, the other finalists are out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903048) Date: November 16th, 2007 5:35 PM Author: Sable patrolman I interviewed with Tax, and I had a status change. However, I have not gotten an offer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903510) Date: November 16th, 2007 3:58 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903118) Date: November 16th, 2007 4:01 PM Author: smoky titillating hunting ground hominid Still nothing here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903130) Date: November 16th, 2007 4:05 PM Author: godawful point me either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903144) Date: November 16th, 2007 4:34 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease has your status changed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903264) Date: November 16th, 2007 4:43 PM Author: godawful point yes, i've been selected as a finalist. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903293) Date: November 16th, 2007 4:45 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease did you interview with a field office? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903302) Date: November 16th, 2007 4:55 PM Author: godawful point both dc and field. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903338) Date: November 16th, 2007 5:03 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease cool, do you mind saying which office? it seems like all of us here who are selected as finalists interviewed with field offices and main, and are unsure which we're selected as finalists for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903385) Date: November 16th, 2007 5:03 PM Author: godawful point i'll tell you if you tell me. i know that sounds childish, but whatever :) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903390) Date: November 16th, 2007 5:05 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903398) Date: November 16th, 2007 5:05 PM Author: godawful point thanks. best of luck! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903402) Date: November 16th, 2007 5:07 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease cool, good luck and keep us posted! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903410) Date: November 16th, 2007 5:39 PM Author: Excitant gold locus legal warrant did anyone's status change that interviewed ATR DC only rather than field or DC & field? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903526) Date: November 16th, 2007 11:15 PM Author: Bull headed passionate institution boistinker "Selected as finalist" ATR DC, did not interview for field office. Was not contacted for offer today. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8904849) Date: November 16th, 2007 11:22 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8904854) Date: November 16th, 2007 11:34 PM Author: Bull headed passionate institution boistinker Have not heard of anyone being contacted. Good luck to you as well! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8904892) Date: November 16th, 2007 5:09 PM Author: stimulating citrine university keepsake machete Subject: offer from field office Do u know if you get a call from a field office or from D.C. for a position in the field office? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903415) Date: November 16th, 2007 5:27 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903481) Date: November 16th, 2007 5:29 PM Author: godawful point that was my understanding as well, from what was said in the interview (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903486) Date: November 16th, 2007 6:00 PM Author: Charismatic pervert Subject: EOIR Only -- Selected as finalist I know of someone who interviewed with EOIR only and has been selected as a finalist. No offer, references were not called. Has anyone received an offer from EOIR? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903601) Date: November 16th, 2007 6:08 PM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker Subject: nothing from EOIR I have heard nothing from EOIR (only i applied to)...can you tell me about the stats of the person you know who got selected as a finalist? When did he/she interview? Thanks! PS- I hope this isn't a no! I'm sad! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903624) Date: November 16th, 2007 6:15 PM Author: Charismatic pervert Subject: EOIR Interview Dates I interviewed on 10/31 and my friend on 11/02. We are both finalists. I do not know my friend's background, but I am bottom quarter, no law review. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903646) Date: November 16th, 2007 6:33 PM Author: multi-colored fiercely-loyal lettuce Subject: I don't think its over until they write Not Selected as finalist. Keep your head up, you never know... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903694) Date: November 16th, 2007 6:38 PM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker Thank you for the good info. I found a minor typo in my writing sample in the waiting room before my interview...so i'm afraid that's it for my chances. May I ask what you and your finalist friends' backgrounds are? Also, did you say that you would go to any office in the country? What law school? Top 10- top 50 etc? I appreciate the info. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903699) Date: November 16th, 2007 6:49 PM Author: Charismatic pervert Subject: Eoir Selectees My writing sample was filled with errors. Seriously, I should of been ashamed of it. My friend and I have the standard background in Immigration law: asylum, adjustments, cancellations, bonds, paroles, citizenship, etc with pro bonos and our immigration clinic. I worked for a few consulates, while my friend worked for UNHCR. We go to the University of Texas. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903728) Date: November 16th, 2007 6:55 PM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker Great thanks. I've worked at a deport defense firm doing cancellation stuff...appeals to BIA, 2 non profits doing diff asylum/vawa/u/t etc, big corporate immigration law firm summer associate...bottom of class at a T50 school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903737) Date: November 16th, 2007 6:58 PM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker oh and journal editorial positions 2 years...but that damned typo! did you and your friend say you'd work anywhere? i did. i also had a really great interview. we'll see! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903746) Date: November 17th, 2007 3:18 PM Author: Excitant gold locus legal warrant I hope you're right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8906469) Date: November 16th, 2007 7:02 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903756) Date: November 17th, 2007 11:39 AM Author: Bull headed passionate institution boistinker Would guess calls on Mon. & Tue. next week given the holiday. Any opinion on the likelihood of an offer for selected finalists? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8905783) Date: November 17th, 2007 1:23 PM Author: Excitant gold locus legal warrant ATR DC said their calls would go out on Monday - oshady, did you interview with any other components? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8906047) Date: November 17th, 2007 1:28 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease how do you know this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8906059) Date: November 17th, 2007 1:42 PM Author: Excitant gold locus legal warrant because i was told so 3 times between recruitment and the interviewers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8906098) Date: November 17th, 2007 1:46 PM Author: Excitant gold locus legal warrant i'm just hoping there is still a chance of being selected as a finalist on monday morning prior to their first round of offers or . . . that there will be a second round (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8906115) Date: November 17th, 2007 2:03 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease how'd you feel your interview went? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8906174) Date: November 17th, 2007 2:54 PM Author: Excitant gold locus legal warrant i felt like it went really well. my panel was smiling the whole time & i made it clear that this was all i wanted to do, so i just have to hope for the best (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8906353) Date: November 16th, 2007 7:28 PM Author: multi-colored fiercely-loyal lettuce Subject: EOIR Calls Has anyone received an offer call yet or had their references checked. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903839) Date: November 17th, 2007 3:43 PM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker Subject: no calls dont know about refs my status still says "selected for an interview"...I hope that this is not a bad sign. The judge I interviewed with said they would make decisions mid december and the EOIR attorney i spoke with on Thursday evening told me she received her offer Dec 16th or something. I don't know if they are planning on really moving it up this year. We'll see. I dont think it's over yet...not even close actually. That said, I do wish my status would change! Are you guys sure we will be given a formal NO if we are 100% not selected? Thanks! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8906575) Date: November 17th, 2007 8:15 PM Author: racy location Subject: more info i only interviewed w/ EOIR and my status changed to "selected as finalist" on friday morning. the judge i interviewed with said i should hear by late november. i interviewed the 1st wk. none of my refs were contacted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8907657) Date: November 16th, 2007 10:22 PM Author: Beta forum electric furnace Subject: ***CIVIL DIVISION THREAD*** All who interviewed with the Civil Division, please share the following info: branch; status (no change, finalist, offer); and any other information you think others might appreciate. I'll go first . . . (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8904630) Date: November 16th, 2007 10:25 PM Author: Beta forum electric furnace I interviewed with the Torts Branch. There has been no change in my status (still says "Selected for Interview"). And I have not received an offer. I interviewed early on. If you'll excuse me, I think I'll go cry now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8904642) Date: November 17th, 2007 7:44 PM Author: crusty menage ape I interviewed relatively early in the process, and have been offered a position in the Civil Division. I am not going to state the group. Sorry. Good luck to everyone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8907572) Date: November 19th, 2007 8:48 AM Author: Sable patrolman Subject: Ready for a new day? I've got my fingers crossed for everyone in Antitrust! Here's hoping that maybe Tax will extend more offers too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913376) Date: November 19th, 2007 9:24 AM Author: Bull headed passionate institution boistinker So I gather that the consensus is that ATR will happen today . . . if you receive an offer, congratulations! (and please don't forget to post) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913414) Date: November 19th, 2007 10:53 AM Author: smoky titillating hunting ground hominid Subject: Offer! Just got the call from ATR! Accepted on the spot! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913517) Date: November 19th, 2007 10:56 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913521) Date: November 19th, 2007 11:00 AM Author: smoky titillating hunting ground hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913530) Date: November 19th, 2007 11:01 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease Double congrats!!! Are you coming out of a clerkship? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913532) Date: November 19th, 2007 11:01 AM Author: godawful point which field? you can edit afterwards if you want. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913534) Date: November 19th, 2007 11:03 AM Author: smoky titillating hunting ground hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913538) Date: November 19th, 2007 11:04 AM Author: godawful point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913540) Date: November 19th, 2007 11:05 AM Author: smoky titillating hunting ground hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913543) Date: November 19th, 2007 11:06 AM Author: godawful point thanks! and congrats! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913544) Date: November 19th, 2007 11:07 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913547) Date: November 19th, 2007 11:09 AM Author: smoky titillating hunting ground hominid no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913549) Date: November 19th, 2007 11:11 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913552) Date: November 19th, 2007 12:20 PM Author: godawful point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913765) Date: November 19th, 2007 12:30 PM Author: Sable patrolman I'm freaking out too. I keep hoping my phone will ring. It's worse than the third day after a good date. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913799) Date: November 19th, 2007 12:33 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease I think the fact that none of us have heard is a good sign. But I'm really crossing my fingers for a call from the field office. I'm not so sure what I'd do with an offer only from main... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913813) Date: November 19th, 2007 1:06 PM Author: Sable patrolman JdPriest heard from ATR. I'm crossing my fingers for a call from anywhere! :) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913924) Date: November 19th, 2007 4:21 PM Author: Infuriating legend space does anyone know if ATR (field or dc) still has calls to make or if they will have a second round of offers? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914663) Date: November 19th, 2007 4:23 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease no clue. Which field office did you interview with? edit: It's still early... my guess is that there are additional calls to be made. But maybe I'm just being optimistic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914670) Date: November 19th, 2007 4:26 PM Author: Infuriating legend space i asked out of curiosity - i'm hoping there are still some positions in dc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914681) Date: November 19th, 2007 4:27 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914688) Date: November 19th, 2007 4:35 PM Author: Infuriating legend space no really - i didn't even apply for a field office - i was honestly just curious (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914708) Date: November 19th, 2007 4:28 PM Author: Infuriating legend space i hope you're right - either that or second best scenario - a round 2 has yet to come (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914693) Date: November 19th, 2007 4:36 PM Author: smoky titillating hunting ground hominid Subject: Anti Trust Are you all hanging in there ok? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914710) Date: November 19th, 2007 4:41 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease yes, thanks. I'm jealous of your offer, though ;) I'm really fine with no offer from DC, because it would be such a tough decision given that I don't want to live in DC for three years. I'm kind of bummed about the field office, but after my interview I knew my chances were slim. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914726) Date: November 19th, 2007 4:43 PM Author: smoky titillating hunting ground hominid Keep the faith. You still might get a call from the field office. My guess is that each field office one operates independently. So I doubt that they all coordinated their calls for the same time. And it's only early afternoon for your field office too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914739) Date: November 19th, 2007 4:57 PM Author: godawful point i'm right there with you. i actually wanted DC, but now am not hopeful since fmrcoaclerk already got a call from NCE. i'm still holding out for a call from the field, but not as hopeful as i was coming into work this morning. ugh. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914788) Date: November 20th, 2007 10:11 AM Author: Aqua twinkling uncleanness stead Subject: Offer Got ATR-DC offer midday yesterday. Was given 2 weeks but accepted this morning. Despite rumors that they don't mean you really have two weeks, but rather that you better accept fast or lose it, they sounded earnest (and even urged me to take some time to think about it) -- suggests the window of calling is wider than I thought, so don't give up too soon. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8917488) Date: November 20th, 2007 10:56 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease thanks for the info. Who called to give the offer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8917533) Date: November 20th, 2007 11:47 AM Author: Aqua twinkling uncleanness stead One of the interviewers and someone else in the same lit section whom I hadn't met. I wasn't totally clear on how they're making calls. I was specifically offered a position in that lit section. Edit: Also, I think someone said something about commitments in one of the threads above. That varies by Division, they told me. ATR has no official commitment, and while you're expected to stay a couple of years, there's nothing binding, and some people even leave before the first is up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8917676) Date: November 20th, 2007 1:02 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8917859) Date: November 20th, 2007 1:29 PM Author: Aqua twinkling uncleanness stead The attorneys who offered me the job. And congratulations! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8917959) Date: November 20th, 2007 2:48 PM Author: Infuriating legend space but if a couple of years is expected, wouldn't it look bad to leave after a short period of time or hurt your chances of coming back later? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918191) Date: November 20th, 2007 3:01 PM Author: Aqua twinkling uncleanness stead The former, I'm not sure -- you can realize it's just not for you. They told me several people left after a year or just under. The latter? I would think so, but what do I know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918233) Date: November 20th, 2007 3:21 PM Author: Infuriating legend space there were a couple of links above on this site and one said leaving prior to whatever commitment you made took away your option to use them as a reference (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918290) Date: November 20th, 2007 3:47 PM Author: Aqua twinkling uncleanness stead I would imagine that would be the case with other divisions -- hell, it's probably a breach of contract. But no commitment is made in ATR, so I think there you're okay leaving and still getting a ref. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918380) Date: November 20th, 2007 3:50 PM Author: Infuriating legend space . . . (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918398) Date: November 20th, 2007 3:53 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease If they say that there's no committment, and truly seem to mean it, then I guess we have no reason to not take what they say at face value. I don't see why they would want someone working there who wants to be living somewhere else or doing something different. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918413) Date: November 20th, 2007 3:01 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease this is definitely something I am concerned about. I don't want to leave the Division, but I may have to leave or want to transfer for geographic reasons. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918234) Date: November 19th, 2007 5:09 PM Author: racy location (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914814) Date: November 19th, 2007 10:18 AM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault There is word from the DAAG level that OIL has "completed Honors Program hiring." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913465) Date: November 19th, 2007 10:36 AM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker What about EOIR? If you have not yet received a change to "finalist" should you be worried? If we are not selected will it say something like "not selected" on Avue? Thanks! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913496) Date: November 19th, 2007 10:48 AM Author: bat-shit-crazy duck-like stag film EOIR has selected finalists. Don't know if there is a second round though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913510) Date: November 19th, 2007 10:57 AM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker Thank you for the info. Do you know if they have selected all finalists? Does anyone know of anyone who is NOT planning on taking an offer? In the past, have different divisions made 2nd or 3rd round offers? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913525) Date: November 19th, 2007 10:58 AM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker Subject: Will we get an e-mail or a status change on Avue if NOT selected (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913526) Date: November 19th, 2007 2:26 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy duck-like stag film i don't plan on taking EOIR offer, if extended (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914224) Date: November 19th, 2007 1:10 PM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle What does this mean - that they turned in their picks, or that actual offers are going out now? Looks like we haven't had anyone actually get an EOIR phone offer yet, so maybe we're all just fine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913939) Date: November 19th, 2007 10:59 AM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle Yeah, my Avue status hasn't changed, and while I would have thought it was no big deal, thanks to this thread, now I'm getting kind of anxious. ugh. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913528) Date: November 19th, 2007 11:00 AM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker Are you a fellow EOIR hopeful? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913529) Date: November 19th, 2007 11:03 AM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle yup, and I thought my interview went great, so I'm going to be pretty cranky if this turns out badly :) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913536) Date: November 19th, 2007 11:10 AM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker yea, I'm sorry...i feel the same way. I wonder if people will decide NOT to take the position. My judge told me that every year there were people who did not take the offer. Also, did you apply that you would work at any office? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913550) Date: November 19th, 2007 11:16 AM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle Yeah - I am definitely not able to go anywhere (my husband does need to get a job wherever we go), but I'd consider more than 5 courts, so I ranked those 1-5 and then checked the box just to see what they'd say. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913563) Date: November 19th, 2007 12:49 PM Author: multi-colored fiercely-loyal lettuce Subject: OIL completion and EOIR offers Does this mean they only got the 5 spots and not the 20 or so they were seeking. I assume so, which is a bummer. Has anyone from EOIR gotten an offer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913862) Date: November 19th, 2007 1:03 PM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker Are you OIL and EOIR? Have you hear anything? Status change? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913916) Date: November 19th, 2007 1:17 PM Author: multi-colored fiercely-loyal lettuce Subject: Don't think Im OIL anymore but maybe EOIR. No word on any offer yet though, but status was changed friday. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913971) Date: November 19th, 2007 1:19 PM Author: racy location ditto. status changed on friday, but the judge i interviewed w/ said that i should hear by late november. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913975) Date: November 19th, 2007 1:31 PM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker i guess i'll just go cry. this is such a bummer. too bad we don't have a larger sample...i mean, it looks to me like no more than 4 have had their status change to finalist for EOIR. i guess hope springs eternal :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914023) Date: November 19th, 2007 2:04 PM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle I think we're all wigging unneccessarily - no one on the thread has gotten a call from EOIR, even the guy whose status changed, so everyone think positive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914123) Date: November 19th, 2007 1:47 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault I have no idea. The statement I heard is that OIL "has completed its Honors Program hiring." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914064) Date: November 19th, 2007 1:07 PM Author: Appetizing blood rage Just got the nod. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913927) Date: November 19th, 2007 1:08 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease congrats!! did you accept? Also - field office or main? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913930) Date: November 19th, 2007 1:21 PM Author: Appetizing blood rage didn't accept on the spot -- don't know why not. DC position. Will probably accept after lunch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8913984) Date: November 19th, 2007 1:45 PM Author: Charismatic pervert Subject: EOIR Calls Has anyone received a firm offer from EOIR? I am a finalist, but am getting worried. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914058) Date: November 19th, 2007 1:58 PM Author: godawful point did you interview with criminal enforcement people or with civil enforcement people? edit: oh, and congratulations, too! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914099) Date: November 19th, 2007 3:21 PM Author: Appetizing blood rage NCE Section. I have a crim background. Think it might just be a coincidence though, offer is for the whole section. Thanks! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914446) Date: November 19th, 2007 3:25 PM Author: godawful point i don't think it is a coincidence. from what i understood they hire people with a crim background to work in that part of the division. i have a crim background too. i had heard there were 2 spots in the crim area and 9 in the civil enforcement. but who knows. congratulations to you! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914474) Date: November 19th, 2007 3:32 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease who called to give you the offer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914510) Date: November 19th, 2007 7:23 PM Author: Infuriating legend space antitrust - let's all just hope there's a second round - who knows, people could decline at the last second (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8915238) Date: November 19th, 2007 2:14 PM Author: Marvelous violent athletic conference gas station so i went finalist status on friday, received a phone call telling me that i was a finalist and that my component was setting up a pre employment interview (drug use, credit) with HR in a few hours. Still have not heard back from DOJ. Anyone else experience this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914174) Date: November 19th, 2007 2:16 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease you're talking about the SLIP program. This thread is for entry-level HP positions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914180) Date: November 19th, 2007 2:25 PM Author: Bearded sanctuary Subject: Tax Has anyone received an offer from the Tax Division? Status went to "Selected for Finalist" on Friday, but have not heard anything. Has anyone, first-hand, received an offer from the Tax Division? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914222) Date: November 19th, 2007 2:32 PM Author: Sable patrolman I am in the same position as you. Selected as Finalist on Friday, but haven't gotten any first hand account of offers. Do you have the p# of the Tax person? I have her card, but I really don't want to call. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914248) Date: November 19th, 2007 2:40 PM Author: thriller liquid oxygen sneaky criminal Subject: Tax Division Why haven't I switched to "selected as finalist"? I'm still stuck at "selected for interview." Now I am REALLY nervous. :( I wouldn't contact her yet. I was told they wanted to have it done by Thanksgiving, but that's still two days away. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914279) Date: November 19th, 2007 2:43 PM Author: Bearded sanctuary Subject: Tax I have a sneaking suspicion that the Tax Division has not yet sent out offers. Like you, I do not want to call either for fear of sounding too anxious. My status did not change until late Friday afternoon, suggesting that maybe they are a little behind. But, the interviewer stated that offers would start going out around now. What was your experience? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914286) Date: November 19th, 2007 2:46 PM Author: thriller liquid oxygen sneaky criminal Subject: Exp. Not to give myself away: redacted (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914297) Date: November 19th, 2007 2:49 PM Author: Sable patrolman My status didn't change until late Friday as well. I actually thought that it wouldn't change at all, since so many people had gotten offers before my status had changed. Tax requires a four-year committment, so they may have a lengthier process to go through before extending offers, since they have to look at needs for four years. This is just me hoping. :) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914308) Date: November 19th, 2007 2:50 PM Author: thriller liquid oxygen sneaky criminal Were you an early interview? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914315) Date: November 19th, 2007 2:52 PM Author: Sable patrolman Yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914323) Date: November 19th, 2007 2:57 PM Author: thriller liquid oxygen sneaky criminal That makes me feel better. I was a later one. Maybe they're going in chronological order. I'll just keep telling myself that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914341) Date: November 19th, 2007 2:59 PM Author: Bearded sanctuary Subject: Tax You stated that so many people got offers before your status changed. Were you referring to the Tax Division? or just some of the offers that other divisions had offered the applicants that post on this website? I think that being selected as a finalist is a good sign for the both of us and we should hear good news by Wednesday afternoon. I do not think we should really worry unless it is December 2, 2007 and we have not heard anything. I think its the waiting and the uncertainty that is the hardest to deal with. You? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914356) Date: November 19th, 2007 3:07 PM Author: Sable patrolman I was refering to the other divisions. I haven't heard anything about Tax. I hope all is good. I won't really know for sure until my phone rings. Ring Dammit! Ring! And if I don't hear anything by Tuesday at 5, I'm calling my doctor for some Valium. The waiting is KILLING me! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914388) Date: November 19th, 2007 3:37 PM Author: Bearded sanctuary Subject: Tax (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914528) Date: November 19th, 2007 3:47 PM Author: magenta contagious piazza I know someone who was given an offer w/tax. Their status changed on Friday afternoon as well. Edit: sorry, meant to add that they were called Friday afternoon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914559) Date: November 19th, 2007 3:55 PM Author: Sable patrolman Thanks. It's always good to at least know what is going on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914577) Date: November 19th, 2007 3:44 PM Author: thriller liquid oxygen sneaky criminal Subject: Tax Quantity Does anyone know why Tax had so many positions open this year compared to every other division? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914550) Date: November 19th, 2007 2:52 PM Author: Jade outnumbered jew Subject: USAO Any one heard from any USAOs yet? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914322) Date: November 19th, 2007 2:57 PM Author: godawful point no, not yet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914344) Date: November 19th, 2007 6:25 PM Author: stimulating citrine university keepsake machete Subject: what division? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8915112) Date: November 19th, 2007 6:31 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease are you talking about antitrust or USAO? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8915131) Date: November 19th, 2007 7:02 PM Author: provocative lilac heaven roommate where did you interview? you need to offer up some info here dood. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8915194) Date: November 19th, 2007 5:12 PM Author: racy location Subject: EOIR UPDATE one of my refs were contacted today. they're still making their decisions. they interviewed about 200 pple for 50-55 positions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914824) Date: November 19th, 2007 5:23 PM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle thanks. I think I"ll refresh less obsessively tomorrow - we probably aren't finding out before the holiday. GL all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914848) Date: November 19th, 2007 5:34 PM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker Who told you that number? Also, when were you chosen as a finalist? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914883) Date: November 19th, 2007 5:46 PM Author: racy location from my reference.i think she asked them when they called her. my status changed on friday morning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914937) Date: November 19th, 2007 5:53 PM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker Subject: how many finalists get jobs? anyone know A) how many people were selected as finalists for EOIR? B) how many finalists willbe offered a position? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8914975) Date: November 19th, 2007 11:44 PM Author: Crystalline theater For those of you who interviewed with any of the divisions, were you in the SLIP program? If so, do you think that affected your chances at all? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8916411) Date: November 20th, 2007 9:20 AM Author: racy location i was slip finalist last year (OIL) but no offer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8917442) Date: November 20th, 2007 10:03 AM Author: swollen pisswyrm Subject: offer extended Hi. I was selected as a finalist on Friday. I got an offer yesterday morning, and I accepted it on the spot. I'm coming out of a clerkship. I was selected by one of the smaller components, i.e., they're only hiring a few people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8917480) Date: November 20th, 2007 10:55 AM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease which one? was it a field office? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8917529) Date: November 20th, 2007 11:23 AM Author: crusty menage ape I have a question for anybody in the DOJ HP. Let's say you go to a group, and after a year or two you realize you don't really want to do that particular line of work anymore, but would still like to stay in the DOJ. I have heard moving from group to group isn't that easy. Is this true? Let's say you desire to move within a branch, e.g., Civil Frauds to General/Financial Litigation (both of which are in the Civil Division's Commercial Litigation Branch). Thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8917614) Date: November 20th, 2007 12:59 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8917855) Date: November 20th, 2007 1:17 PM Author: smoky titillating hunting ground hominid Congrats! I know you were hoping for field, but still, that's great! Are you going to accept? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8917911) Date: November 20th, 2007 1:19 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8917919) Date: November 20th, 2007 1:22 PM Author: smoky titillating hunting ground hominid What are your other options? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8917932) Date: November 20th, 2007 1:34 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease go back to firm I summered at; re-apply for clerkships.... try to lateral to gov't later on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8917976) Date: November 20th, 2007 1:44 PM Author: Infuriating legend space Not too shabby. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918005) Date: November 20th, 2007 3:18 PM Author: Amethyst Ticket Booth dcthopeful, Congrats on the offer even though it's not your ideal position. Can you provide some more info? Was it a division-wide offer? Civil/Crim? Which section? Thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918279) Date: November 20th, 2007 3:07 PM Author: godawful point congrats, anyway, though! that's more than i can say. no offer from either DC or field. there's still the US atty i'm waiting on (not given out offers yet, from what i know) but we'll see. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918256) Date: November 20th, 2007 1:17 PM Author: Bearded sanctuary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8917904) Date: November 20th, 2007 1:22 PM Author: hot cracking sound barrier anyone heard from EOIR? this is killing me! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8917929) Date: November 20th, 2007 1:38 PM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle it's cold comfort, but I think it's better than NONE of us have heard than that some have and some haven't. hang in there team. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8917984) Date: November 20th, 2007 1:42 PM Author: hot cracking sound barrier yeah makes me feel better. perhaps they are taking longer because they are hiring the most by far with anywhere from 45-55... they had 49 on the application... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918000) Date: November 20th, 2007 2:07 PM Author: Carmine indian lodge friendly grandma yeah I haven't heard anything from EOIR either... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918067) Date: November 20th, 2007 1:37 PM Author: Beta forum electric furnace Anyone hear from CIVIL besides 2LandBored? Branch? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8917981) Date: November 20th, 2007 1:42 PM Author: crusty menage ape I know they've sent out some offers. I have accepted my offer. I don't know if there is another round or what is happening. Good luck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918001) Date: November 20th, 2007 2:08 PM Author: Cowardly Boyish School Marketing Idea Anyone hear anything from Civil Rights? No expectations... resume too liberal... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918075) Date: November 20th, 2007 2:53 PM Author: Aqua twinkling uncleanness stead Coworker got offer today ... and had plenty of left-wing credentials. HP hiring by now is supposed to not be political in Civil Rights, if you believe it... http://volokh.com/posts/1177777963.shtml (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918214) Date: November 20th, 2007 2:32 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease SF field office has completed hiring (and it wasn't me) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918145) Date: November 20th, 2007 2:34 PM Author: electric famous landscape painting Are field offices as competitive as main ATR? I assumed the USAOs would handle antitrust cases, particularly in the big districts like SDNY and ND Cal. Is it possible to move from an HP position in a field office to the USAO there? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918159) Date: November 20th, 2007 3:03 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease I think field offices are more competitive; they each hire only 1 (sometimes 2) people, and they interview more people per available position. I don't think the work they do is as exciting or cutting edge as in DC, but they get a lot of applicants who wouldn't apply to DC for geographic reasons. Did you get a field office offer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918242) Date: November 20th, 2007 3:12 PM Author: electric famous landscape painting No, just wondering about the role they play in relation to main DOJ. I'm only interested in Criminal stuff and I'm wondering if I should have looked into this route. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918263) Date: November 20th, 2007 3:19 PM Author: Infuriating legend space I know someone that works in a field and absolutely loves it because it's all criminal work and alot of responsibility. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918282) Date: November 20th, 2007 2:50 PM Author: Sable patrolman I received an offer from Tax this morning. They are definitely still calling people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918195) Date: November 20th, 2007 3:05 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease congrats! did you accept? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918248) Date: November 20th, 2007 3:25 PM Author: Charismatic pervert Subject: Still No Calls From EOIR So, a friend and I, both finalists with EOIR from the University of Texas, have still not heard anything. But from what it appears, nobody has received offers from EOIR. Is there anyone from a T14 that is considering EOIR? Did anyone else here preference Texas locations? The application for PMF opened today and I really do not want to go through another government application if EOIR is going to make an offer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918297) Date: November 20th, 2007 5:08 PM Author: Sable patrolman I was too flustered to accept. It felt like the call came out of nowhere bc I thought I had been rejected already. But now I'm happy. :) I'll accept very soon. I don't want others to have to wait on me. :) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918573) Date: November 20th, 2007 3:30 PM Author: thriller liquid oxygen sneaky criminal Congrats! Glad to know they're still working their way through the list. It'd make my month if tax calls me today or tomorrow. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918315) Date: November 20th, 2007 3:27 PM Author: Amethyst Ticket Booth dcthopeful, Congrats on the offer even though it's not your ideal position. Can you provide some more info? Was it a division-wide offer? Civil/Crim? Which section? Thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918304) Date: November 20th, 2007 3:28 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease Thanks. It was an offer for a specific section that does civil work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918307) Date: November 20th, 2007 3:31 PM Author: Amethyst Ticket Booth Thanks for the info. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918320) Date: November 20th, 2007 3:43 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918364) Date: November 20th, 2007 3:46 PM Author: Amethyst Ticket Booth I think sometimes they give division-wide offers and sometimes only certain sections are actually considering the candidate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918374) Date: November 20th, 2007 3:48 PM Author: Amethyst Ticket Booth btw, would very much appreciate to know when you make your final decision on the offer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918386) Date: November 20th, 2007 3:49 PM Author: Aqua twinkling uncleanness stead I applied for the summer program and was interviewed 2 years ago by several sections, told that any one of them could make me an offer. I know Civil Rights makes you rank. ATR pretty clearly doesn't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918394) Date: November 20th, 2007 3:53 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease Were you given an office-specific offer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918414) Date: November 20th, 2007 4:01 PM Author: Aqua twinkling uncleanness stead DC -- one of the lit sections. I didn't apply to any field offices. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918441) Date: November 20th, 2007 5:17 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy duck-like stag film Subject: EOIR EOIR is now extending offers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918603) Date: November 20th, 2007 5:28 PM Author: racy location i take it you got a call today? congrats, if so! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918634) Date: November 20th, 2007 8:53 PM Author: hot cracking sound barrier congrats! details? do you know of others that got calls? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8919482) Date: November 20th, 2007 5:28 PM Author: irradiated french pozpig Subject: EOIR finalist - and a big question I was selected as a finalist for EOIR but have not heard from anyone - one of my ref. stated that he just received a call this afternoon. My question is this: is it worth accepting an EOIR clerkship if it is one of the "bad" locations - in the middle of nowhere in the Deep South for example. In other words are all EOIR clerkships essentially equal? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918636) Date: November 20th, 2007 5:36 PM Author: racy location yea i wonder how much they consider your preferences too.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918667) Date: November 20th, 2007 6:03 PM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker Subject: EOIR Am i the only one on here waiting for EOIR whose status still says "Selected for Interview" ? I hope not! :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918805) Date: November 20th, 2007 6:35 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy duck-like stag film Subject: EOIR location I asked myself the same question. I boiled it down to networking opportunities. Obviously, the larger the court, the more judges and law firms you will come in contact with. That said, if you love immigration law, I'd say go for it. Can't really go wrong with a year or two at DOJ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8918929) Date: November 20th, 2007 7:20 PM Author: racy location very true! so where are you clerking? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8919102) Date: November 20th, 2007 8:40 PM Author: high-end coldplay fan double fault You will come into contact with judges. You will not come into contact with law firms. EOIR is great, but it's not really a foot in the door at the DOJ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8919427) Date: November 20th, 2007 8:44 PM Author: electric famous landscape painting what do EOIR clerks usually do after they finish? Move over to OIL? Immigration firms? other clerkships? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8919445) Date: November 20th, 2007 10:55 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy duck-like stag film Subject: post EOIR summered at large immigration court. Out of 4 JLCs: 1 went to OIL, 1 went to DHS, 1 went to a clerkship at state supreme court. There are plenty of opportunities. And yes, you will meet tons of immigration lawyers. But I suppose that depends what kind of person you are. Some people network better than others. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8920071) Date: November 21st, 2007 10:05 AM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker Subject: No change in Status Hi - Status still says Selected for Interview. Does anyone else still have this? If we are not selected will we be told? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8921527) Date: November 21st, 2007 10:23 AM Author: thriller liquid oxygen sneaky criminal Mine does too. If we're not selected, it's my understanding we get an email at some point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8921567) Date: November 21st, 2007 10:43 AM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker Thanks. I feel better not being the only one. Does anyone know if they are still making EOIR decisions about finalists? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8921590) Date: November 21st, 2007 12:27 PM Author: Charismatic pervert Subject: EOIR Finalists Someone from EOIR called my Immigration Professor yesterday. My Professor tried to call her back today, but the EOIR rep was out until Monday. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8921942) Date: November 21st, 2007 9:27 PM Author: curious magical philosopher-king Subject: no status change i'm chiming in for commisseration. i interviewed with EOIR 10/31. my status hasn't changed from "selected for interview." my stats: mid-first-tier school, bottom quarter (or even lower) of class. decent amount of immigration and HR work on resume, including UNHCR. 1L summer internship with a large USAO, 2L volunteer summer internship (not SLIP, alas) with a large immigration court. no moot court, no law review. my interview didn't go so well -- i wonder if that's what killed my chances. :( i'm really, really, really bummed right now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8923685) Date: November 21st, 2007 10:19 PM Author: Bearded sanctuary What was it about the interview that "didn't go so well?" The interview is part of the decision-making process. I would think they would assess the entire candidate and credentials. If you do not have a status change or a phone call by December 1, I have a suggestion for you. The PMF program application process began yesterday. The PMF program extends your eligibility for DOJ Honors for at least two years, (if you are a 3L) and quite possibly three years. Why don't you apply to the PMF (its not that hard to get in) and take a job with USCIS or another federal government agency that deals with immigation and then reapply to the honors program next year. The best part of the PMF program is the rotations. You can rotate to a component at Justice that deals with immigration (EOIR or OIL) and get yourself known. Then you can reapply, reinterview, and get selected. It sounds like alot of work, and not an instant result, but if you are serious about EOIR or OIL, you may have a better shot. Just my two sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8923900) Date: November 24th, 2007 12:29 PM Author: curious magical philosopher-king Thanks for the tip! I'm not going to hold my breath at this point...I think I'll start my application for the PMF program this weekend. I'm not sure if I'm competitive, given my crap grades, but I guess it's worth a shot. Thanks again for the advice! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8930259) Date: November 22nd, 2007 12:07 AM Author: Razzmatazz Windowlicker Subject: PMF Does anyone have any info on PMF? I was looking at the website and it seems REALLY competitive, unlike what the post above me said...also my best friend, who's clerking in the southern district next year, told me it was super selective. anyone have any links to any other blogs like this about PMF or about how to get involved. from what i read it sounded like you needed a sponsor or something??? Thanks! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8924531) Date: November 22nd, 2007 1:18 AM Author: multi-colored fiercely-loyal lettuce Subject: 3Llady Can you take turkey day off. Relax and eat some good food rather then driving yourself and everyone on here nuts about the job process with questions NOBODY coming on here is qualified to answer. Does your school have a career service center. Here, you want answers that you can take with a grain of salt... 1. likely the PMF is very competitive and you are not going to be able to get sponsored if you are not at the top of your law school class at a top law school. 2. and likely, If you are not selected as a finalist by now you are not still being considered for the job. 3. by likely I mean between 66 and 99.999% (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8924707) Date: November 22nd, 2007 2:38 AM Author: Infuriating legend space harsh. i know a couple of people that didn't get offers until mid-december - chances at this point are likely slim, but there is still a chance. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8924852) Date: November 22nd, 2007 6:11 PM Author: Bearded sanctuary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8925905) Date: November 25th, 2007 1:22 PM Author: racy location Subject: clarification sorry to sound redundant, but did anyone actually receive an offer from EOIR? i know there was one post that alluded to one, but it was still unclear. thanks! hope everyone had a great thanksgiving! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8934505) Date: November 25th, 2007 7:58 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy duck-like stag film Subject: offer received an offer. I was not planning on taking it, but I did because I was offered my first choice for location. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8936179) Date: November 25th, 2007 8:09 PM Author: racy location did they give you a choice in location or just offer your 1st choice? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8936220) Date: November 25th, 2007 8:20 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy duck-like stag film just first choice (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8936257) Date: November 25th, 2007 8:34 PM Author: racy location gotcha. do you mind me asking which city? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8936318) Date: November 26th, 2007 1:41 PM Author: Charismatic pervert Subject: How many other people are EOIR Finalists How many other people here are EOIR finalists? I am still anxiously waiting for a call. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8938674) Date: November 26th, 2007 1:43 PM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle It's a new week...anyone gotten a call or status change today? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8938675) Date: November 26th, 2007 5:17 PM Author: Charismatic pervert I am a finalist, but have still heard nothing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8939460) Date: November 26th, 2007 5:35 PM Author: 180 persian same here--finalist, no call yet (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8939536) Date: November 26th, 2007 5:50 PM Author: Charismatic pervert Are you hoping for EOIR? If so, would you mind telling me what area? I put down anywhere in Texas and luckily, we don't produce the best law students. Hopefully, there aren't many people competing against me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8939591) Date: November 26th, 2007 6:20 PM Author: 180 persian Yeah--EOIR hopeful-- I put anywhere, but Cleveland was number 1--I can't imagine too many people want to go there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8939702) Date: November 26th, 2007 7:15 PM Author: Charismatic pervert I put Houston as number 1 and Harlingen as no. 2. I can't imagine too many people who even know where Harlingen is! (It is located about 3 miles from the Mexican border, 30 miles from the Gulf in Far South Texas.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8939909) Date: November 26th, 2007 8:03 PM Author: 180 persian I bet Harlingen would be an interesting place to work. I hope we will get offers tomorrow. This waiting is killing me, but with the two holidays (Vet's day and T-giving), I have a feeling they have plenty of work left to do. Plus, if they are checking references, you have to imagine that they don't always get in touch on the first try, so they have to wait for return calls, etc. Hopefully we will know soon. Good luck to you! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8940054) Date: November 26th, 2007 8:48 PM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle ha - I interviewed with the ACIJ for TX and LA and he spent several minutes telling me how he always hopes he can get a clerk for the Harlingen court, but no one ever wants to move there. I sympathized, but was NOT about to volunteer (my top choices are the big E. Coast cities). I bet you are golden. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8940187) Date: November 27th, 2007 12:43 AM Author: Charismatic pervert Harlingen is one of the better places in the Valley. (Well, the Texas Valley). It is really close to two major detention centers (Port Isabel and Raymondville). Also, it is close to South Padre Island and Matamoros. Unfortunatly, ICE moves many asylum seekers from the Harlingen district to the STDC in Pearsall which is in the San Antonio District. I choose Harlingen as number two because of the wide diversity of detainees in the area. For example, Port Isabel houses asylum seekers, simple EWI's, derivative citizens, and more AgFels than you would believe. By the way, I am curious about the immigration clinics at other law schools. At the University of Texas, we deal nearly exclusively with detained asylum seekers. What do the others see? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8941142) Date: November 27th, 2007 9:29 AM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle Harvard's clinic deals mainly with affirmative asylum seekers, but also a few VAWA/victim visas, and family/green card/natz stuff for former asylum clients. When the New Bedford raid went down in March, a lot of the load switched to bond, deport defense, and the federal court suit for those folks (many of whom got shipped to Port Isabel, which is how I first heard of it.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8941912) Date: November 26th, 2007 8:38 PM Author: hot cracking sound barrier Actually Cleveland is my first choice- I REALLY WANT TO GO THERE. I'm from Ohio. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8940148) Date: November 26th, 2007 9:25 PM Author: 180 persian Maybe they will have 2 spots (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8940316) Date: November 27th, 2007 11:21 AM Author: hot cracking sound barrier doubt it. they only have one judge so very unlikely have two clerks for one judge. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8942143) Date: November 27th, 2007 11:25 AM Author: 180 persian Perhaps . . . hopefully since it's a new court, they will be expanding. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8942147) Date: November 27th, 2007 11:45 AM Author: hot cracking sound barrier let's hope, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8942182) Date: November 27th, 2007 4:55 PM Author: hot cracking sound barrier they are extending offers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8943279) Date: November 27th, 2007 5:23 PM Author: 180 persian so you got Cleveland huh? Congrats. Still hoping . . . (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8943407) Date: November 27th, 2007 5:27 PM Author: racy location congrats! when did you get the call? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8943425) Date: November 27th, 2007 5:52 PM Author: hot cracking sound barrier Thanks! She didn't call until 4:15 pm so my guess is they started late today...so if you didn't hear yet, no worries...particulrly if you don't live in the eastern time zone. As to 2 Step...as long as you checked the box that you would go anywhere, I think that you are fine. I had checked that box and also told that I did want Cleveland but I wanted the oppertunity more so I would go anywhere. I'm crossing my fingers for the both of you-- you'll be golden! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8943527) Date: November 27th, 2007 6:28 PM Author: Chartreuse cerebral trump supporter May I ask when your status changed to finalist? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8943749) Date: November 27th, 2007 7:30 PM Author: hot cracking sound barrier the friday before thanksgiving (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8944038) Date: November 27th, 2007 7:12 PM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle congrats - as anxious as it makes me, it's good to know they are at least out of their turkey coma and calling SOMEONE... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8943957) Date: November 27th, 2007 7:32 PM Author: hot cracking sound barrier keep hope also because according to NALP guidelines if you are given an offer before December 1st, you have to accept by December 1st. So, I accept that even if calls are going out now, more calls will be going out after December 1st. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8944045) Date: November 27th, 2007 8:23 PM Author: racy location yea - my reference told me that the guy told her it would take a couple of weeks....goodness have any of you gotten other offers? i already declined one to see how DOJ pans out, but i hate to shoot down another one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8944156) Date: November 27th, 2007 8:26 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease What type of offers did you shoot down? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8944165) Date: November 27th, 2007 8:42 PM Author: racy location state clerkship. i was able to get an extension in hopes that DOJ would make a decision by then, but no such luck. so i decline the offer + the judge was polite about it. that was not a fun phone call. everything seems so time-sensitive! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8944216) Date: November 28th, 2007 8:14 AM Author: Infuriating legend space did you decide what you were going to do with your offer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8945990) Date: November 27th, 2007 1:13 AM Author: splenetic church building 600th post. Nothing to add. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8941271) Date: November 28th, 2007 9:30 AM Author: racy location i already declined the clerkship w/ some regrets. but i think i would have regretted it more if i didnt see how DOJ ended up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8946047) Date: November 28th, 2007 5:29 PM Author: Infuriating legend space that's a really tough call - but, if the clerkship is still available to you, you could always apply for the honors program next year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8948125) Date: November 28th, 2007 7:08 PM Author: ultramarine regret mental disorder Subject: Just got my DOJ offer I just received my DOJ offer(s). Actually I received two options from EOIR and Civil. What should I do? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8948380) Date: November 28th, 2007 8:09 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease Civil seems to be far more selective and "prestigious," for what that's worth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8948649) Date: November 28th, 2007 8:17 PM Author: chocolate candlestick maker civil by a country mile unless you're an immigration law type. in that case it's a toss up. clerk in EOIR or permanent position in OIL? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8948706) Date: November 28th, 2007 8:25 PM Author: ultramarine regret mental disorder Clerk in EOIR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8948748) Date: November 28th, 2007 8:35 PM Author: chocolate candlestick maker hmm. i'd prolly go OIL, although i'm sure you could clerk for EOIR and then go to OIL. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8948802) Date: November 28th, 2007 8:50 PM Author: crusty menage ape I'd look into this to see if you really can do this. From as far as I can tell, EOIR is not that well respected, and I'm not sure it's really a foot in the door at the DOJ. I'm not trying to insult anyone, just putting some thoughts out there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8948875) Date: November 28th, 2007 9:40 PM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle Yup, this is done all the time. People clerk for EOIR, then sometimes spend a year or a couple as an EOIR atty advisor or with DHS, then become OIL litigators. Both my EOIR and OIL interviewers made this clear, and if you go look at the old OIL newsletters on their website where they welcome new hires there are examples of it. Normally I'd say, if you got offered a good court location and think you'd enjoy the clerk gig for a year, easy, do that because it doesn't foreclose OIL, or any other Honors job really. But the OIL interviewer indicated (and some on this thread confirmed) they were hiring a LOT of people this year (more than usual), so getting hired next year could be harder than it is now. Just something to think about - although in your position I think I'd still take the EOIR gig if I liked the site. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8949205) Date: November 28th, 2007 10:08 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy duck-like stag film Subject: OIL unless If you are ok with supporting the gov's position in immigration then its OIL. Within a few years, you will have argued in just about every circuit, which is quite awesome. If you see yourself as a pro-immigration advocate, then I'd say go the EOIR route. You might have to be a good little nazi for a year, but afterwards you should have your choice of private practice or non-profits. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8949423) Date: November 29th, 2007 7:52 AM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle FutureDOJer - had your Avue status changed to "Selected as finalist" before you got the call(s)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8951273) Date: November 29th, 2007 10:29 AM Author: Motley maize factory reset button wrinkle Subject: Rejection email Just got one, so I guess this is notice these are going out too. :( I had interviewed with EOIR and Civil-OIL, but then because of a positive response on another job situation, told OIL nicely I was no longer interested 11/15. I really thought I'd get an EOIR offer given my resume, and after my 5 court choices I checked that I'd consider going anywhere. I'm pretty confused and bummed. The email was a form one from the Avue system saying I hadn't been chosen as a finalist for the HP, some components fill extra vacancies after the normal time period though, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8951375) Date: November 29th, 2007 11:31 AM Author: 180 persian I guess I'm in DOJ purgatory My Avue status has changed to "Selected as Finalist, No Offer Issued" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8951452) Date: November 29th, 2007 12:25 PM Author: Charismatic pervert Same thing here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8951667) Date: November 29th, 2007 12:37 PM Author: 180 persian Any idea where this leaves us in the grand scheme? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8951702) Date: November 29th, 2007 12:46 PM Author: Charismatic pervert No idea. I have an interview with DHS Honors tomorrow. I was looking forward to the opportunity to cancel the interview. I believe that it would be a good time to begin searching for new jobs. I am going to start the PMF application tonight. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8951736) Date: November 29th, 2007 12:52 PM Author: racy location i just checked my status & same thing w/ the "selected as finalist but no offer issued"...... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8951762) Date: November 29th, 2007 1:22 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease My status says "Current Status:Finalist but No Offer Issued." I find this odd because I did receive an offer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8951863) Date: November 29th, 2007 1:37 PM Author: racy location that is strange. congrats on offer!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8951887) Date: November 29th, 2007 2:39 PM Author: Jade outnumbered jew Mine says: "Offer accepted." I guess it changes when you accept. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8952147) Date: November 29th, 2007 4:39 PM Author: hot cracking sound barrier congrats! what court? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8952659) Date: November 29th, 2007 3:27 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease Did anyone call to get an opinion on suitability issues? What did they say? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8952344) Date: November 29th, 2007 3:32 PM Author: racy location can you clarify? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8952362) Date: November 29th, 2007 3:34 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease You can call and get an advisory opinion on whether you'd pass the background check. Wonder if anyone did this, and what they gleaned from the conversation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8952368) Date: November 29th, 2007 3:43 PM Author: racy location ahh gotcha. havent gotten to that point yet. who runs the background checks...FBI or secret service? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8952396) Date: November 29th, 2007 7:20 PM Author: hot cracking sound barrier you know i think that it might be the EOIR because they have their "own lady" i was told. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8953335) Date: November 30th, 2007 3:06 PM Author: Charismatic pervert Subject: EOIR - Finalist, but Offer Made EOIR contacted me and told me that the application cannot continue until three references are contacted. They were unable to contact one of my references and wanted a second phone number. Maybe they are having the same delay for other people? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8957124) Date: November 30th, 2007 4:20 PM Author: Confused Cerise Lodge Water Buffalo My Avue status went from "Selected as Finalist" to "Finalist, but no offer issued," back to "Selected as Finalist." Anybody else have that happen? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8957394) Date: November 30th, 2007 4:26 PM Author: Charismatic pervert Just accepted an offer from EOIR at Harlingen. I wish the rest of you good luck with obtaining positions. Thank you for keeping me updated on the status of your applications. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8957412) Date: November 30th, 2007 4:45 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease mine did, and I was offered a position before it went to "no offer issued." Weird. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8957513) Date: November 30th, 2007 4:56 PM Author: 180 persian same thing happened to me today...I'm not holding my breath--Congrats Pizzo! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8957586) Date: November 30th, 2007 6:06 PM Author: racy location ditto. that just happened to me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8957907) Date: December 3rd, 2007 1:24 AM Author: greedy casino fanboi FIRST! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8969381) Date: December 4th, 2007 12:51 PM Author: racy location Subject: eoir offer they're still making calls! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8976236) Date: December 4th, 2007 1:27 PM Author: 180 persian Congrats--where you headed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8976354) Date: December 4th, 2007 2:08 PM Author: racy location new joisey (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8976498) Date: December 4th, 2007 2:09 PM Author: 180 persian Was that one of your choices? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8976502) Date: December 4th, 2007 2:10 PM Author: racy location yup - actually my 4th choice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8976507) Date: December 4th, 2007 2:14 PM Author: 180 persian Congrats--still not holding my breath (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8976533) Date: December 4th, 2007 2:23 PM Author: racy location hang in there...it's frustrating, i know (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8976601) Date: December 4th, 2007 2:26 PM Author: 180 persian Yeah... I have a sneaking suspicion that I'm done for as my 4th and 5th choices were big cities that a lot of people probably put first and second. Oh well my employment law final is a bit more pressing at the moment anyways (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8976622) Date: December 4th, 2007 2:59 PM Author: racy location hey...you never know. i am curious in how they place pple. i have my employment final in 2 wks. good luck! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8976803) Date: December 4th, 2007 5:51 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy duck-like stag film jus wondering, either one of you found a decent employment law supplement? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8977647) Date: December 4th, 2007 6:25 PM Author: 180 persian I don't have any of them, but my Prof. recommended the Employment Law in a Nutshell--he also recommended going online to the Dept. of Labor website--it gives a really simplistic breakdown of Title VII and other statutes that are relevant. Good luck--I have my own outline, but its from the Rothstein/Liebman book. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8977775) Date: December 4th, 2007 8:29 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy duck-like stag film thanks. I'll invest in the nutshell, beggars can't be choosers. My brain switched out of this class months ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8978400) Date: December 5th, 2007 10:43 AM Author: Confused Cerise Lodge Water Buffalo They're still making calls. I just got an offer for my top choice, which I accepted, so anything could happen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8980499) Date: December 5th, 2007 10:58 AM Author: racy location congrats! yea - i agree. i just found out that my reference only spoke to the eoir hiring dude this past MONDAY! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8980542) Date: December 5th, 2007 12:58 PM Author: hot cracking sound barrier congrats! what court? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8980973) Date: December 5th, 2007 1:39 PM Author: Confused Cerise Lodge Water Buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8981205) Date: December 5th, 2007 2:12 PM Author: hot cracking sound barrier congrats again! excellent! i'm sure this is a relief for you! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8981380) Date: December 5th, 2007 2:48 PM Author: Filthy razzle nursing home new to this thread. my status is listed as "selected as finalist", but no call from EOIR yet. i'm starting to get a little stressed out. did anyone who got an offer (congrats!) select the "i'll go anywhere" option during your interview? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8981514) Date: December 5th, 2007 4:58 PM Author: racy location i didnt, which i regretted after the interview b/c i thought that reduced my chances. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8982184) Date: December 5th, 2007 5:06 PM Author: hot cracking sound barrier i did. what i hear it helps tremendously. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8982214) Date: December 5th, 2007 5:16 PM Author: racy location (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8982263) Date: December 6th, 2007 10:09 AM Author: Filthy razzle nursing home great. thanks for the insight! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8985698) Date: December 21st, 2007 10:06 AM Author: stubborn trailer park national security agency Subject: OIL Anyone have any insight on when OIL will make the final cuts from the Finalists selected? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#9059100) Date: January 11th, 2008 2:54 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle French Chef Faggotry Is anyone else still hanging out in the no man's land of "selected as a finalist?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#9147735) Date: January 26th, 2008 1:35 PM Author: Claret Flirting Turdskin Base I am. But I finally emailed someone at DOJ and they told me that EOIR has completed its hiring process and thus I have not been selected. My status on the site still says "Selected as Finalist" and I never received a formal notification of my rejection. Frankly, I am pretty mad about all this. I really don't see any other reason for my rejection than the fact that I am liberal and that I admitted during my interview that my interest in immigration law originally stemmed from the personal immigration experience of someone close to me. Stupid to say that during an interview, right? But still, I have all of the qualifications necessary, on top of three full years of federal service and a ton of immigration law experience, and I was just being honest... I just read some of the news reports that came out around last April/May about political influence in the DOJ honors hiring process (ie DOJ systematically rejected applicants with "liberal" flags on their resumes) and am quite annoyed. Anyone want to commiserate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#9224170) Date: January 26th, 2008 1:40 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#9224194) Date: January 28th, 2008 1:38 PM Author: godawful point i am in the same boat as dcthopeful. my resume was clear about my liberal stance, and i too was hired through honors in the ATR division. furhtermore, it seemed clear that my interviewers were similar to me. but i certainly cannot speak for experiences in other sections. but i agree it is a crapshoot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#9233987) Date: January 28th, 2008 2:24 PM Author: comical embarrassed to the bone wagecucks mad cow disease See you in Washington DC this fall? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#9234228) Date: January 31st, 2008 10:41 AM Author: godawful point yep! 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