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WHITE WOMAN IN MICHIGAN PULLS GUN ON A YOUNG BLACK WOMAN AND MOM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZhdMcrBuDU&feature=emb_...
Crimson infuriating boltzmann
  07/02/20
Odds this will be reported accurately by the MSM?
glassy hell
  07/02/20
i eagerly await Taylor Lorenz's totally fair and reasonable ...
Brindle deer antler
  07/02/20
why did she get out of the van? it looked like the encounte...
glittery brunch
  07/02/20
thoughts on what transpired?
Crimson infuriating boltzmann
  07/02/20
Looks like the blacks started charging her vehicle, get behi...
glassy hell
  07/02/20
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territorial old irish cottage gaping
  07/02/20
Woman: "They stood behind my car making it unsafe!"...
supple hilarious native
  07/03/20
One of the worthless blacks got behind her car to block it. ...
Green indecent liquid oxygen
  07/02/20
Walk us through why brandishing the gun was okay in this sit...
abusive locus
  07/02/20
Because violently charging someone’s vehicle and preve...
glassy hell
  07/02/20
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territorial old irish cottage gaping
  07/02/20
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Crimson infuriating boltzmann
  07/03/20
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talented clear depressive
  07/02/20
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ebony awkward affirmative action coffee pot
  07/02/20
She was clearly trying to escape the situation, was being bl...
Titillating property preventive strike
  07/02/20
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territorial old irish cottage gaping
  07/02/20
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ebony awkward affirmative action coffee pot
  07/02/20
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tantric associate juggernaut
  07/02/20
A white woman was just charged with a felony in Michigan for...
Bateful bawdyhouse philosopher-king
  07/02/20
Link on the charge? That’s an excellent but oddly spec...
tantric associate juggernaut
  07/02/20
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/wayne-county/20...
Bateful bawdyhouse philosopher-king
  07/02/20
facing 93 days. hmmm.
glittery brunch
  07/03/20
he literally just said why
talented clear depressive
  07/02/20
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territorial old irish cottage gaping
  07/02/20
Like I said in the other thread, I don't think the gun was n...
Cocky hyperventilating half-breed
  07/03/20
okay, see it now "bitch you gonna hit me!?!" hits...
glittery brunch
  07/02/20
“These white people, they so racist” *sobs*
Sick Garrison Pisswyrm
  07/02/20
The only thing racist in the video are the blacks
glassy hell
  07/02/20
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tantric associate juggernaut
  07/02/20
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abusive locus
  07/02/20
So the black women flipped out over a tiny everyday simple m...
walnut motley library
  07/02/20
You ignorant
Titillating property preventive strike
  07/02/20
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territorial old irish cottage gaping
  07/02/20
https://www.wxyz.com/news/oakland-co-sheriff-to-address-vira...
floppy rigpig
  07/02/20
Real story is that this guy was the husband and not her fath...
Titillating property preventive strike
  07/02/20
Okay compare the description in that article with what actua...
glassy hell
  07/02/20
The black woman wanted to escalate. White woman not only too...
floppy rigpig
  07/02/20
you think only threat is to property when someone is willing...
glittery brunch
  07/02/20
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glassy hell
  07/02/20
when they were inside the car yes, threat to property is the...
floppy rigpig
  07/02/20
they coudln't drive away without hitting the lady. that's th...
glittery brunch
  07/02/20
Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:03 PM Author: sealclubber they co...
abusive locus
  07/02/20
As far as I know they could have drove away. The window wasn...
floppy rigpig
  07/02/20
how did she make the white lady angry?
glittery brunch
  07/03/20
You think a white woman calling the cops on black people, on...
Maize wonderful famous landscape painting
  07/03/20
i think we just witnessed how far too many blacks/whites/cri...
glittery brunch
  07/03/20
Pulling a gun isn't deadly force. Shooting it at someone is....
Impertinent bipolar stain indirect expression
  07/03/20
I wish black people would learn a 2nd adjective beside &ldqu...
bisexual cracking codepig
  07/02/20
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sienna appetizing home
  07/02/20
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federal travel guidebook location
  07/02/20
Racist
Sick Garrison Pisswyrm
  07/02/20
lol 180
big marketing idea water buffalo
  07/03/20
Look, fuck Shaniqua and her daughter here obviously, but hav...
nighttime feces
  07/02/20
In the rush for anti-SHANIQUA arguments XO misses the simple...
floppy rigpig
  07/02/20
Exactly. While I’m on her side, drawing down here is a...
nighttime feces
  07/02/20
Her husband also should have known better - you can tell he ...
floppy rigpig
  07/02/20
Lol libs also using this to call for gun reform. No, open ...
glassy hell
  07/02/20
Lol what's the case here for the guy at all? Using the car a...
Titillating property preventive strike
  07/02/20
No idea what he even did wrong
glassy hell
  07/02/20
The both possessed one pistol. Not a crimbro but what?
nighttime feces
  07/02/20
Yea the only case for this guy is if he have her the gun. Bu...
Titillating property preventive strike
  07/02/20
Not going to rewatch right now but doesn’t she draw fr...
nighttime feces
  07/02/20
She racked the slide, yes
jet halford
  07/02/20
They rushed her car mid movement and tried to prevent her fr...
glassy hell
  07/02/20
Right this is the argument I would make and that her lawyers...
nighttime feces
  07/02/20
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sienna appetizing home
  07/02/20
Warranting lethal force? Are you a lawyer?
floppy rigpig
  07/02/20
Yeah cr, running up behind someone’s moving vehicle so...
glassy hell
  07/02/20
So you'd do the same thing and pull a gun on her? If so, ...
floppy rigpig
  07/02/20
Lol youre such a bitch.
glassy hell
  07/02/20
(Guy with no idea of muzzle discipline)
floppy rigpig
  07/02/20
In my CCW class, the instructor had to teach some similar bo...
electric school
  07/02/20
There was no threat to this white lady’s life
jet halford
  07/02/20
Lol at whites living anywhere near places like Detroit
glassy hell
  07/02/20
Now imagine everyone involved is asian
multi-colored fantasy-prone background story rigor
  07/02/20
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1v7ICW1w9xg
glassy hell
  07/02/20
REMINDER: this happened because the left/MSM is gaslighting ...
glassy hell
  07/02/20
I'm sure the whole thing was being recorded bc the women fe...
Titillating property preventive strike
  07/02/20
Yeah but its also an indication of how much entitlement that...
floppy rigpig
  07/02/20
Lol the black woman literally threatens to “beat her w...
glassy hell
  07/02/20
And in the current climate in this country you’re goin...
nighttime feces
  07/02/20
And then she gets in the car and they could have driven away...
floppy rigpig
  07/02/20
They were prevented from driving away
glassy hell
  07/02/20
They were trying to drive away, the lady literally blocks th...
idiotic aphrodisiac locale multi-billionaire
  07/02/20
They were backing up and then drive FORWARD after the gun is...
floppy rigpig
  07/02/20
So now she fired the gun?
glassy hell
  07/02/20
Dont pull a gun on someone you're not willing to shoot. ...
floppy rigpig
  07/02/20
That black dude would have been justified in drawing a weapo...
lavender offensive lodge stock car
  07/02/20
100%. TCR here tho is to just film them back and say nothing...
nighttime feces
  07/02/20
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jet halford
  07/02/20
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hairraiser transparent mexican
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tantric associate juggernaut
  07/02/20
xo's favorite Mexican-American CGWBT conservahero reporter i...
electric school
  07/02/20
Savanah Hernandez @sav_says_ 3h Replying to @sav_says_ I...
electric school
  07/02/20
Unnnnngh
glassy hell
  07/02/20
If the blacks here were white XO would be jumping on this Ka...
floppy rigpig
  07/02/20
Agree. No heroes here. The mom+daughter team were out of lin...
Alcoholic double fault forum
  07/02/20
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jet halford
  07/02/20
look, even "insane right-wing gun nut" agrees with...
Alcoholic double fault forum
  07/02/20
Wouldnt calling the cops be even worse since they police are...
talented clear depressive
  07/02/20
trump will never be reelected now
heady incel
  07/02/20
they're trying to provoke the white people so hard to get a ...
territorial old irish cottage gaping
  07/02/20
and they succeeded. It was a good day for BLM when that woma...
floppy rigpig
  07/02/20
Everyone saying pulling out a gun is going too far, ask your...
Mustard Immigrant
  07/02/20
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electric school
  07/02/20
Make the black woman stop what? She was running her fat mout...
nighttime feces
  07/02/20
Did you miss the part where she hit the car and stopped them...
Mustard Immigrant
  07/02/20
So? Smacking a car is life threatening?
jet halford
  07/02/20
in this context, yes. the black woman continuously upped the...
Mustard Immigrant
  07/02/20
She hit the back of the car. I would agree with pulling th...
jet halford
  07/02/20
cr. i've been watching people get cars smashed up for no rea...
electric school
  07/02/20
This was one woman and her daughter, not some drug-frenzied ...
jet halford
  07/02/20
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floppy rigpig
  07/02/20
difference of degree, not kind
charcoal psychic
  07/03/20
Yes, sitting in the car and calling the cops is the correct ...
jet halford
  07/02/20
Cr if some jogger decides to hold you up you're required to ...
Sooty Cruise Ship
  07/02/20
Pulling out a gun is a serious thing. Under your thresho...
floppy rigpig
  07/02/20
Very well said and cogent.
Crimson infuriating boltzmann
  07/02/20
Cr you call the cops to shoot them.
nighttime feces
  07/02/20
The cops are defunded now dipshit
Maize wonderful famous landscape painting
  07/03/20
durr. you blame, you blame no blame to the shit heads who w...
glittery brunch
  07/04/20
CR Feminism and it’s consequences...
Stubborn Area
  07/05/20
your exactly right: she lost all patience, which was exactly...
big marketing idea water buffalo
  07/03/20
but, doing what we all consider to have been her best choice...
glittery brunch
  07/05/20
...
electric school
  07/02/20
I know these movements. The black women thought the white wo...
idiotic aphrodisiac locale multi-billionaire
  07/02/20
You can tell by their tone and cadence they were not the typ...
abusive locus
  07/02/20
yeah, not sure where War Machine is getting this from the...
Alcoholic double fault forum
  07/02/20
heh. I've grown up with women like this my entire life.
idiotic aphrodisiac locale multi-billionaire
  07/03/20
His sister is in the video
Maize wonderful famous landscape painting
  07/03/20
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buff stirring dragon nowag
  07/02/20
you know that black bitch is crazy b/c she had absolutely no...
walnut motley library
  07/02/20
They want to be martyrs like Big Floyd.
electric school
  07/02/20
This whole incident, reading the twitter comments, etc. remi...
Alcoholic double fault forum
  07/02/20
We need to shut down social media and go back to physical fo...
Cocky hyperventilating half-breed
  07/02/20
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canary antidepressant drug heaven
  07/02/20
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heady incel
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Scarlet volcanic crater
  07/02/20
why did they insist on calling the cops? the cops were just ...
startled ratface
  07/02/20
You're a fucking idiot if you don't want to kill niggers lik...
Seedy Regret Stead
  07/02/20
(Clayton Bigsby)
floppy rigpig
  07/02/20
There may be a difference of opinion as to who was right and...
Sooty Cruise Ship
  07/02/20
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/02/us/michigan-woman-pulls-g...
territorial old irish cottage gaping
  07/02/20
I'm just curious where everyone sees this bullshit headed. ...
ebony awkward affirmative action coffee pot
  07/02/20
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territorial old irish cottage gaping
  07/02/20
if there is a white person without white guilt on the jury, ...
flickering chocolate candlestick maker crotch
  07/02/20
I get that, but merely arresting and prosecuting every white...
ebony awkward affirmative action coffee pot
  07/02/20
Gee, it's almost like that's the whole point of this "m...
Seedy Regret Stead
  07/02/20
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flickering chocolate candlestick maker crotch
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jet halford
  07/03/20
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ebony awkward affirmative action coffee pot
  07/04/20
why was the guy fired? he didn't do anything at all except p...
startled ratface
  07/02/20
Because it ruins his life and sends a warning to other white...
ebony awkward affirmative action coffee pot
  07/02/20
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jet halford
  07/03/20
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tantric associate juggernaut
  07/02/20
The sheriff explained the charges by saying that “any ...
glittery brunch
  07/03/20
An article on Thursday about an altercation between two wome...
charcoal psychic
  07/03/20
By Alan Yuhas and Michael Levenson 🤔
Swashbuckling dog poop ticket booth
  07/03/20
You shouldn't have a gun pulled on you for trying to start a...
sapphire foreskin
  07/02/20
Gun laws seem very fact intensive. The other side committed ...
multi-colored fantasy-prone background story rigor
  07/02/20
i don't see anyone giving the white woman credit for being p...
aqua charismatic public bath toaster
  07/02/20
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tantric associate juggernaut
  07/02/20
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laughsome shrine love of her life
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Crimson infuriating boltzmann
  07/02/20
This was not justified self defense. See a therapist about y...
dashing dopamine factory reset button
  07/03/20
there are plausible arguments on both sides here, but I bet ...
flickering chocolate candlestick maker crotch
  07/03/20
this is why i don't carry a gun. i would be too inclined to ...
Brindle deer antler
  07/03/20
douse yourself in duck sauce, faggot. these niggers deserve ...
Trip lay dysfunction
  07/03/20
(azn)
floppy rigpig
  07/03/20
Standing behind the car was false imprisonment but more impo...
Scarlet volcanic crater
  07/03/20
chilmata, address this last sentence. what do you think the ...
glittery brunch
  07/03/20
The teenage girl was not a threat to the people in a 2,000 p...
dashing dopamine factory reset button
  07/04/20
"They could have backed out slowly." They DID. ...
Scarlet volcanic crater
  07/04/20
So you believe they were justified in running them over? ...
dashing dopamine factory reset button
  07/04/20
Once she blocked my exit, I would have felt I was at reasona...
Scarlet volcanic crater
  07/04/20
Lol you pussy
dashing dopamine factory reset button
  07/04/20
i don't think a firearm was warranted, but i do think they s...
glittery brunch
  07/04/20
Amazing post-moniker synergy.
dashing dopamine factory reset button
  07/04/20
What I don’t get is why the husband has been charged w...
Poppy Trust Fund Institution
  07/03/20
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Crimson infuriating boltzmann
  07/03/20
it's not clown world, it's fucking preposterous based on the...
glittery brunch
  07/03/20
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ebony awkward affirmative action coffee pot
  07/04/20
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bisexual cracking codepig
  07/04/20
Maoism is a beautiful thing like that. Yankeestan no longer ...
Elite boistinker
  07/04/20
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territorial old irish cottage gaping
  07/05/20


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Date: July 2nd, 2020 3:53 PM
Author: Crimson infuriating boltzmann

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZhdMcrBuDU&feature=emb_logo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536236)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:00 PM
Author: glassy hell

Odds this will be reported accurately by the MSM?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536270)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:33 PM
Author: Brindle deer antler

i eagerly await Taylor Lorenz's totally fair and reasonable hot take on twitter any minute now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536399)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:01 PM
Author: glittery brunch

why did she get out of the van?

it looked like the encounter was over?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536273)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:08 PM
Author: Crimson infuriating boltzmann

thoughts on what transpired?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536298)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:08 PM
Author: glassy hell

Looks like the blacks started charging her vehicle, get behind it, created an unsafe situation etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536301)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:28 PM
Author: territorial old irish cottage gaping



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536717)



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Date: July 3rd, 2020 8:06 AM
Author: supple hilarious native

Woman: "They stood behind my car making it unsafe!"

Police: "Uh, so, you got out of your car with a loaded gun?"

Woman: "Yes."

XO: SHE DID NOTHING WRONG!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40540006)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:10 PM
Author: Green indecent liquid oxygen

One of the worthless blacks got behind her car to block it. If the van continued, the black would claim the white racists intentionally hit her

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536308)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:13 PM
Author: abusive locus

Walk us through why brandishing the gun was okay in this situation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536318)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:16 PM
Author: glassy hell

Because violently charging someone’s vehicle and preventing them from backing out without running over someone created an imminently harmful situation?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536331)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:31 PM
Author: territorial old irish cottage gaping



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536738)



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Date: July 3rd, 2020 3:03 PM
Author: Crimson infuriating boltzmann



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40541898)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:32 PM
Author: talented clear depressive



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536745)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 7:48 PM
Author: ebony awkward affirmative action coffee pot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40537430)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:24 PM
Author: Titillating property preventive strike

She was clearly trying to escape the situation, was being blocked from doing so, and had a reasonable expectation of getting worldstarred by these women who were only escalating.

This is not legal analysis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536361)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 6:04 PM
Author: territorial old irish cottage gaping



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536944)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 7:49 PM
Author: ebony awkward affirmative action coffee pot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40537433)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 11:16 PM
Author: tantric associate juggernaut



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40538822)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:26 PM
Author: Bateful bawdyhouse philosopher-king

A white woman was just charged with a felony in Michigan for blocking a black woman's car from backing out of a space. In Michigan you are allowed to use deadly force to prevent the commission of a violent felony, which this is.

Therefore she is 100% justified, which is why she was initially arrested but released without charges.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536365)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 11:16 PM
Author: tantric associate juggernaut

Link on the charge? That’s an excellent but oddly specific inversion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40538826)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 11:27 PM
Author: Bateful bawdyhouse philosopher-king

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/wayne-county/2020/07/02/livonia-woman-who-blocked-other-womans-car-parking-lot-charged/5365262002/

So this woman only got a misdemeanor, so nvm my analysis is partly off. However hitting the car might elevate the charge.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40538892)



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Date: July 3rd, 2020 12:00 AM
Author: glittery brunch

facing 93 days. hmmm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40539110)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:33 PM
Author: talented clear depressive

he literally just said why

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536748)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:33 PM
Author: territorial old irish cottage gaping



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536750)



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Date: July 3rd, 2020 8:07 AM
Author: Cocky hyperventilating half-breed

Like I said in the other thread, I don't think the gun was necessary for the situation, but the woman had very good trigger control, so I'll allow it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40540012)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:18 PM
Author: glittery brunch

okay, see it now

"bitch you gonna hit me!?!" hits van.

white woman gets out with gun

crazy blacks see crazy white woman with a gun and don't run away or back down.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536343)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:02 PM
Author: Sick Garrison Pisswyrm

“These white people, they so racist” *sobs*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536278)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:09 PM
Author: glassy hell

The only thing racist in the video are the blacks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536305)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 11:17 PM
Author: tantric associate juggernaut



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40538833)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:12 PM
Author: abusive locus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536312)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:17 PM
Author: walnut motley library

So the black women flipped out over a tiny everyday simple mistake and escalated until the white lady felt threatened enough to pull a gun, meanwhile news already reporting on the racist white lady ljl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536339)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:22 PM
Author: Titillating property preventive strike

You ignorant

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536355)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 6:04 PM
Author: territorial old irish cottage gaping



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536945)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:20 PM
Author: floppy rigpig

https://www.wxyz.com/news/oakland-co-sheriff-to-address-viral-video-of-woman-pulling-gun-on-mom-daughter-in-lake-orion

Facing assault charges

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536348)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:25 PM
Author: Titillating property preventive strike

Real story is that this guy was the husband and not her father

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536362)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:31 PM
Author: glassy hell

Okay compare the description in that article with what actually happened in the video.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536382)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:38 PM
Author: floppy rigpig

The black woman wanted to escalate. White woman not only took the bait but stupidly escalated it - fucking over not only herself but her family as well - by whipping out her pistol.

1L Crim Law Answer: The pistol only would have been justified if there was an actual threat of bodily harm. There was only threat to property here which doesnt justify the threat of lethal force

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536433)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:45 PM
Author: glittery brunch

you think only threat is to property when someone is willing to put herself in harm's way of your vehicle in order to prevent you from leaving peacefully?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536470)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:46 PM
Author: glassy hell



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536481)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:50 PM
Author: floppy rigpig

when they were inside the car yes, threat to property is the most obvious/clear threat here. if they started breaking the car's windows/going nuts, you'd have more of a point and drawing the gun would have been more justified

they should have just drove away or even just stayed inside the car/called the cops

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536517)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:03 PM
Author: glittery brunch

they coudln't drive away without hitting the lady. that's the point.

she did hit the van's back window or maybe the back pillar

staying in the vehicle and calling the police was the best move, but

do we require people to always choose the best move?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536602)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:06 PM
Author: abusive locus

Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:03 PM

Author: sealclubber

they coudln't drive away without hitting the lady. that's the point.

she did hit the van's back window or maybe the back pillar

staying in the vehicle and calling the police was the best move, but

do we require people to always choose the best move?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536624)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:09 PM
Author: floppy rigpig

As far as I know they could have drove away. The window wasn't smashed nor does the video show that there was a sustained attack - it looks like a petty smacking of the car.

We don't require people to make the best move but drawing a gun on someone disproportionately is a crime. If I was on the jury, I'd believe that Shaniqua thought she could be in imminent danger/battery, thus meeting the apprehension requirement for assault. Gunslinger here is guilty (not the husband though)

Tl;dr - you can't whip out your gun on someone because they make you angry.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536637)



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Date: July 3rd, 2020 1:04 AM
Author: glittery brunch

how did she make the white lady angry?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40539413)



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Date: July 3rd, 2020 1:03 AM
Author: Maize wonderful famous landscape painting

You think a white woman calling the cops on black people, on camera, was the best move?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40539411)



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Date: July 3rd, 2020 1:08 AM
Author: glittery brunch

i think we just witnessed how far too many blacks/whites/criminals interact with police.

while this interaction resulted in nothing, sometimes the white lady/cop pulls the trigger and people end up dead who otherwise would have lived had they not challenged the gun toter

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40539424)



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Date: July 3rd, 2020 7:23 AM
Author: Impertinent bipolar stain indirect expression

Pulling a gun isn't deadly force. Shooting it at someone is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40539903)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:28 PM
Author: bisexual cracking codepig

I wish black people would learn a 2nd adjective beside “ignorant”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536371)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:49 PM
Author: sienna appetizing home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536514)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:53 PM
Author: federal travel guidebook location



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536543)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:04 PM
Author: Sick Garrison Pisswyrm

Racist

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536609)



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Date: July 3rd, 2020 1:00 AM
Author: big marketing idea water buffalo

lol 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40539403)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:39 PM
Author: nighttime feces

Look, fuck Shaniqua and her daughter here obviously, but having said that...

In my CCW class the instructor ran through the requirements in our state that need to be met to use deadly force in self defense, but then distilled it to one simple question: would you rather face PROSECUTION with the full weight of the state and it’s resources behind it than the threat that you’re currently facing. I’ve never been criminally prosecuted but can imagine it would suck balls, especially for if for a serious felony. Most of the time the answer to the simple question is going to be no, especially in the current insane anti white political climate in this country. If the answer is yes then at least you’ll have no regrets.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536436)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:43 PM
Author: floppy rigpig

In the rush for anti-SHANIQUA arguments XO misses the simple rule that you also don't point a weapon at something you're not willing to fire at.

The intent of the car lady was probably to intimidate. Thus, pointing a pistol was stupid as hell

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536459)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:45 PM
Author: nighttime feces

Exactly. While I’m on her side, drawing down here is an objectively stupid move.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536469)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:47 PM
Author: floppy rigpig

Her husband also should have known better - you can tell he was trying to de-escalate but she probably wears the pants (Dat Jewish matriarch temper)

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/oakland-county/2020/07/02/woman-pulls-gun-orion-township-michigan/5365854002/

They're charged and he's lost his job

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536491)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:52 PM
Author: glassy hell

Lol libs also using this to call for gun reform.

No, open carry would have prevented this stupid shit from escalating in the first place.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536539)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:54 PM
Author: Titillating property preventive strike

Lol what's the case here for the guy at all? Using the car as deadly force when trying to flee

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536554)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:55 PM
Author: glassy hell

No idea what he even did wrong

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536560)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:55 PM
Author: nighttime feces

The both possessed one pistol. Not a crimbro but what?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536557)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:57 PM
Author: Titillating property preventive strike

Yea the only case for this guy is if he have her the gun. But watch her hold it. This isn't her first day at the rodeo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536575)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:00 PM
Author: nighttime feces

Not going to rewatch right now but doesn’t she draw from her own waistband and chamber a round?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536593)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:19 PM
Author: jet halford

She racked the slide, yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536690)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:48 PM
Author: glassy hell

They rushed her car mid movement and tried to prevent her from leaving, creating a dangerous situation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536496)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:50 PM
Author: nighttime feces

Right this is the argument I would make and that her lawyers will make, but you only draw if you’re going to shoot unless you’re a peace officer. If you’re going to use deadly force just run the dumb bitch over if that’s the justification, much easier to defend that action.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536521)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:50 PM
Author: sienna appetizing home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536525)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:50 PM
Author: floppy rigpig

Warranting lethal force? Are you a lawyer?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536523)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:54 PM
Author: glassy hell

Yeah cr, running up behind someone’s moving vehicle so you can be run over and accuse the driver of racism is nbd

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536549)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:55 PM
Author: floppy rigpig

So you'd do the same thing and pull a gun on her?

If so, you're a trigger-happy dude who shouldn't have a gun

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536563)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:57 PM
Author: glassy hell

Lol youre such a bitch.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536573)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:01 PM
Author: floppy rigpig

(Guy with no idea of muzzle discipline)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536598)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:57 PM
Author: electric school

In my CCW class, the instructor had to teach some similar boilerplate but also asked us if we'd rather be carried by 6 than judged by 12.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536577)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:20 PM
Author: jet halford

There was no threat to this white lady’s life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536696)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:56 PM
Author: glassy hell

Lol at whites living anywhere near places like Detroit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536566)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:58 PM
Author: multi-colored fantasy-prone background story rigor

Now imagine everyone involved is asian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536578)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:05 PM
Author: glassy hell

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1v7ICW1w9xg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536613)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:00 PM
Author: glassy hell

REMINDER: this happened because the left/MSM is gaslighting blacks into thinking every white person is racist. Many are now emboldened by this, taking videos of any mundane interaction with a white person, escalating encounters that shouldnt be, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536595)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:04 PM
Author: Titillating property preventive strike

I'm sure the whole thing was being recorded bc the women feared for their black bodies after the assault and wasn't at all some race baiting shit to make the news

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536606)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:04 PM
Author: floppy rigpig

Yeah but its also an indication of how much entitlement that this woman has in thinking she can whip out a gun whenever her temper blows over without consequences.

I saw this thinking that the black woman physically punched her or something - the response was not warranted.

Also, lol at XO rushing to defend this JAPpy Karen

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536612)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:07 PM
Author: glassy hell

Lol the black woman literally threatens to “beat her white ass” in the video.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536627)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:10 PM
Author: nighttime feces

And in the current climate in this country you’re going to rely on that? Gotta operate in reality

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536641)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:12 PM
Author: floppy rigpig

And then she gets in the car and they could have driven away.

JFC, is this even a law/prestigious board anymore? Or is this just NPC 4chan/stormfront wanting 100 bumps for some anti-black shtick regardless of the nuances of the situation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536652)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:13 PM
Author: glassy hell

They were prevented from driving away

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536659)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:13 PM
Author: idiotic aphrodisiac locale multi-billionaire

They were trying to drive away, the lady literally blocks their exit with her body.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536661)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:16 PM
Author: floppy rigpig

They were backing up and then drive FORWARD after the gun is pulled.

Even if this was the case and there was a human chain around the car, they should have called the cops.

Remember that video of the meth-freaks harassing a black family inside the car? Do you think they would be justified in jumping out and popping everyone with a gun?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536675)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:17 PM
Author: glassy hell

So now she fired the gun?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536681)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:18 PM
Author: floppy rigpig

Dont pull a gun on someone you're not willing to shoot.

The charge of assault is appropriate

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536686)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:47 PM
Author: lavender offensive lodge stock car

That black dude would have been justified in drawing a weapon yeah

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536839)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:08 PM
Author: nighttime feces

100%. TCR here tho is to just film them back and say nothing. Don’t get me wrong I wish that weren’t the case, but if I bump into a black woman and she started laying into me calling me a cracker and filming I’m just going to get in my car film her back and say nothing until she leaves. I’m not independently wealthy and need my LOLJOB to pay my mortgage and feed my kids. I’m not losing everything for some chimped out negress unless I’m in fear for my life, which frankly I wouldn’t have been here. I guess I’m not a pregnant jewess tho.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536631)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:22 PM
Author: jet halford



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536698)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 10:04 PM
Author: hairraiser transparent mexican



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40538300)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 11:21 PM
Author: tantric associate juggernaut



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40538850)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:05 PM
Author: electric school

xo's favorite Mexican-American CGWBT conservahero reporter is on this:

Savanah Hernandez @sav_says_

White woman ALLEGEDLY bumps into black teen. Black teen calls her racist, her black mom then harasses the white couple for several minutes/threatens to beat their ass, they try to drive away, black woman follows then hits their car, white woman then gets out of car and pulls gun

https://twitter.com/sav_says_/status/1278736339966574597

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536616)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:06 PM
Author: electric school

Savanah Hernandez @sav_says_

3h Replying to @sav_says_

I'M DONE WITH ANYONE WHO ANTAGONIZES, HARASSES AND THREATENS PEOPLE AND THEN CRIES RACISM WHEN THE PERSON THEY'RE ATTACKING DEFENDS THEMSELVES.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536623)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:07 PM
Author: glassy hell

Unnnnngh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536630)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:14 PM
Author: floppy rigpig

If the blacks here were white XO would be jumping on this Karen for being an entitled Jewess.

This "Savannah Hernandez" just wants attention from conservatives (i.e., $$$) for re-tweeting NPC'ing right wing viewpoints. She'd drop your cause at the first sign of real trouble

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536669)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:19 PM
Author: Alcoholic double fault forum

Agree. No heroes here. The mom+daughter team were out of line and looking for a fight, etc. Abhorrent behavior. But the white woman took the dial up to 11 waaaaaay too quick. Massive, unwarranted escalation. Should have stayed in the car and threatened to call the police and then actually called the police if the mom and daughter didn't walk away.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536692)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:23 PM
Author: jet halford



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536703)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:49 PM
Author: Alcoholic double fault forum

look, even "insane right-wing gun nut" agrees with me. thx bro!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536846)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:32 PM
Author: talented clear depressive

Wouldnt calling the cops be even worse since they police are racist and literally hunt down and murder black people? If I was black I'd prefer having a gun pulled on me by a non-racist white person like the lady instead of a racist police officer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536743)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:18 PM
Author: heady incel

trump will never be reelected now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536685)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:27 PM
Author: territorial old irish cottage gaping

they're trying to provoke the white people so hard to get a karen video

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536713)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:29 PM
Author: floppy rigpig

and they succeeded. It was a good day for BLM when that woman pulled out her gun

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536722)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:28 PM
Author: Mustard Immigrant

Everyone saying pulling out a gun is going too far, ask yourself what else would have made the black woman stop. Who was trying to de-escalate and remove herself from the situation, who was escalating?

She escalated, threatened violence, brought in race, then blocked and hit the car preventing the situation from immediately ending. Would more "discussion" have brought the confrontation to an end? Should the white couple have just sat in the car for an indeterminate amount of time? What else should the white couple have done?

I see nothing wrong with what the white woman did. her patience finally ran out. It is racist to assume that the white woman should have an unlimited amount of patience and restraint but the black woman needn't have any. Again, who wore out whose patience and created the situation.

Now, look at who lost their jobs and is being charged. If you lawyers want to bring an actual legal defense, yes it is reasonable to fear for your life when someone is threatening you with violence, hits your car, and blocks you from leaving the situation. At that point, it is foreseeable and reasonable to believe they would physically harm you or a loved one.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536718)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:31 PM
Author: electric school



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536739)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:34 PM
Author: nighttime feces

Make the black woman stop what? She was running her fat mouth and I get the said I’ll beat your ass but are you willing to pull a gun on a black person bc of that alone in the current climate? I wouldn’t trust a Wayne county jury to find that action reasonable or the threat lethal and imminent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536757)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:37 PM
Author: Mustard Immigrant

Did you miss the part where she hit the car and stopped them from leaving thus continuing the encounter and escalating from yelling and verbally threatening violence to contact?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536775)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:39 PM
Author: jet halford

So? Smacking a car is life threatening?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536787)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:47 PM
Author: Mustard Immigrant

in this context, yes. the black woman continuously upped the ante and became MORE aggressive as the confrontation continued. Remember, the black woman prevented the confrontation from ending.

What is then the next logical step in that observed behavior pattern? How can one reasonably assume it would stop? Was there even a way it would stop other than the ending we saw?

Tell me, if there was no gun drawn, what happens next?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536834)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:56 PM
Author: jet halford

She hit the back of the car. I would agree with pulling the gun if she broke Passenger or driver widow glass, or maybe even just smacked it.

If black woman comes around to the side to keep upping the ante, then maybe, but not the back of the car.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536897)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:39 PM
Author: electric school

cr. i've been watching people get cars smashed up for no reason, getting dragged out of their cars and beaten.

this is scary stuff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536788)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:57 PM
Author: jet halford

This was one woman and her daughter, not some drug-frenzied BLM mob.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536905)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 6:21 PM
Author: floppy rigpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40537034)



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Date: July 3rd, 2020 7:16 AM
Author: charcoal psychic

difference of degree, not kind

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40539897)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:37 PM
Author: jet halford

Yes, sitting in the car and calling the cops is the correct move at that point. I carry almost everywhere I go and there was no reason to draw on that woman.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536778)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 6:52 PM
Author: Sooty Cruise Ship

Cr if some jogger decides to hold you up you're required to wait there for as long as it takes for the cops to respond

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40537228)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:44 PM
Author: floppy rigpig

Pulling out a gun is a serious thing.

Under your threshold (which is dictated by some nebulous standard of reasonableness i.e., not expecting "unlimited patience"), someone can pull out a gun when their patience runs dry and when they're not under imminent danger of bodily harm.

If you think that this couple was under imminent danger of bodily harm, then I hope you're not a lawyer because that would be a pretty shitty defense. They were in greater physical danger while they were outside the car having an altercation (in which the Karen doesn't pull out a gun).

There were many alternatives to the escalation of pulling a gun when someone hits your car. Note too that they did not surround the fucking car either. Staying in the car and calling the cops would be the right thing to do and doesn't involve "unlimited patience."

Calling the cops is what's expected of people in this situation and should be the behavior of people in a civilized society. Yes, she threatened to beat her ass. Also note however that she doesn't physically touch her and keeps her distance. There's a difference between "smack talk" and a threat communicating a real apprehension of harm. Context is important.

On a side note, I blame the fucking husband for not controlling his woman and not stopping her from pulling a gun in a situation like this. It's funny that this woman also feels that the cops are going to side with her in this situation (Note that she only says she wants to call the cops while she's pointing a pistol at an unarmed woman - she's so deluded and entitled that she thinks she's in the right. It reminds me of boomers who think they know "the law" without any actual knowledge of the law. Such an attitude stems from their constant narcissism and self-righteous - they FEEL right all the time so they must be)

Anyone supporting this kind of behavior further enables/encourages women doing shit like this, which will only make things worse. Note that many of the BLM incidents of "overt" racism involve white women.

It's because most guys know better than to escalate stupid shit situations like this because we have a sense of the consequences. White dudes not being able to control their women are a big cause of this problem. Sadly, the white knights on this board defending this woman suggest that this problem will only get worse.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536821)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 11:14 PM
Author: Crimson infuriating boltzmann

Very well said and cogent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40538806)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 11:27 PM
Author: nighttime feces

Cr you call the cops to shoot them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40538893)



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Date: July 3rd, 2020 1:21 AM
Author: Maize wonderful famous landscape painting

The cops are defunded now dipshit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40539480)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 10:51 PM
Author: glittery brunch

durr. you blame, you blame

no blame to the shit heads who were confronting whitey?

you ignorant

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40548481)



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Date: July 5th, 2020 12:35 PM
Author: Stubborn Area

CR

Feminism and it’s consequences...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40550233)



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Date: July 3rd, 2020 1:37 AM
Author: big marketing idea water buffalo

your exactly right: she lost all patience, which was exactly what the two black antagonists wanted. they were trying to paint her into a corner where there were only bad choices left to her. whether or not she, in fact, found herself with no good option, she gave the provocateurs exactly what they wanted in the end.

I can understand making snap decisions in short time under adrenaline while you are feeling 'threatened' in some sense. the strongest 'Karen, don't draw!' argument poasters are making ITT, albeit from the comfort of their post hoc detached observer vantage point, is that at the end of the day despite her frustration level and, yes, probably some subjective physical fear but surely also some subjective awareness of our current 🤡🌎 BLM zeitgeist of the past month, this Karen still gifted them a video of a white person pointing a loaded gun at an unarmed black mother who was, putatively anyway, trying to come to the aid of her child (her acting like a total jerk in so doing notwithstanding).

from what I saw the sheboon was wrongfully using 'force' to impede the car but not *really* threatening any physical harm to the occupants once inside. like I said, I can understand how she'd snap in the heat of the moment, but understanding how she got on that path isn't the same as it being the best of all possible paths. I could see myself ending up the same if I were in her shoes, but after the fact I'd probably really wish I'd just put the car in park, locked the doors and called police/waited for them to leave me alone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40539527)



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Date: July 5th, 2020 1:38 PM
Author: glittery brunch

but, doing what we all consider to have been her best choice would have resulted in both whiteys getting charged with hate crimes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40550549)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:30 PM
Author: electric school



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536735)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:34 PM
Author: idiotic aphrodisiac locale multi-billionaire

I know these movements. The black women thought the white woman was alone and were surrounding her. She 100% would've been jumped if her husband didn't show up when he did.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536753)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:37 PM
Author: abusive locus

You can tell by their tone and cadence they were not the type to jump someone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536777)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:50 PM
Author: Alcoholic double fault forum

yeah, not sure where War Machine is getting this from

they seemed unhinged, but I didn't sense there was going to be any actual physical violence

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536859)



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Date: July 3rd, 2020 12:53 AM
Author: idiotic aphrodisiac locale multi-billionaire

heh. I've grown up with women like this my entire life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40539372)



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Date: July 3rd, 2020 1:47 AM
Author: Maize wonderful famous landscape painting

His sister is in the video

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40539548)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:53 PM
Author: buff stirring dragon nowag

z

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536873)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:34 PM
Author: walnut motley library

you know that black bitch is crazy b/c she had absolutely no fear of that gun whatsoever

at least the daughter was still a bit freaked out about it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536755)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:35 PM
Author: electric school

They want to be martyrs like Big Floyd.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536762)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:43 PM
Author: Alcoholic double fault forum

This whole incident, reading the twitter comments, etc. reminds me of the "Scissor" concept (see: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/22/opinion/covington-catholic-march-for-life.html ). Depressing as hell.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536809)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:44 PM
Author: Cocky hyperventilating half-breed

We need to shut down social media and go back to physical forms of media only, including work e-mail.

From now on, all memos must be hand-distributed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536823)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 11:51 PM
Author: canary antidepressant drug heaven



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40539063)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:50 PM
Author: heady incel

douthat=180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536855)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 6:57 PM
Author: Scarlet volcanic crater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40537246)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:43 PM
Author: startled ratface

why did they insist on calling the cops? the cops were just as likely to kill them as the woman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40536813)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 6:29 PM
Author: Seedy Regret Stead

You're a fucking idiot if you don't want to kill niggers like this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40537109)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 6:31 PM
Author: floppy rigpig

(Clayton Bigsby)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40537117)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 6:55 PM
Author: Sooty Cruise Ship

There may be a difference of opinion as to who was right and wrong in this situation but at least we can all agree that diversity is are strength

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40537243)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 7:25 PM
Author: territorial old irish cottage gaping

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/02/us/michigan-woman-pulls-gun.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

Couple Charged After Videos Show White Woman Pulling Gun on Black Mother

Widely circulated videos showed a white woman pointing a gun at a Black woman as she filmed with her cellphone in a parking lot in Orion Township, Mich.

By Alan Yuhas and Michael Levenson

July 2, 2020

Updated 6:49 p.m. ET

A couple have been charged with felonious assault after widely circulated videos showed a white woman pointing a gun at a Black woman in a parking lot in Michigan, the authorities said on Thursday.

In the videos, the Black woman and her teenage daughter confront a white man and woman outside a Chipotle restaurant in Orion Township, Mich., on Wednesday. The exchange quickly escalates from an argument about an apology into accusations of racism, with a gun held only a few feet from the Black woman as she filmed with her cellphone.

At a news conference on Thursday, Sheriff Michael Bouchard of Oakland County, Mich., said the woman who had pointed the gun and her husband had each been charged with felonious assault, which carries a maximum penalty of four years in prison.

The Oakland County Prosecutor’s Office later identified the couple as Jillian Wuestenberg, 32, and Eric Wuestenberg, 42.

Both had guns in their possession when they were taken into custody, Sheriff Bouchard said.

The sheriff explained the charges by saying that “any weapon that could cause serious and potentially deadly injury can be charged as a felonious assault.”

The episode began when the two parties bumped into each other in the doorway of the Chipotle, Sheriff Bouchard said.

“One person said they didn’t realize they had bumped the other person with the food bag, and the other person felt they needed to get an apology,” he said. “Then it escalated from there.”

He urged members of the public to try to defuse tense situations at a time when many are on edge.

“My plea is, please let us all try to be that voice of calm in the storm, and remember each one of us is a human being that deserves respect,” he said.

As the videos spread on social media on Wednesday night, they quickly drew comparisons to footage taken on Sunday of a white man and woman pointing a semiautomatic rifle and a handgun at peaceful Black protesters on a private residential street in St. Louis. The demonstration was one of dozens against racism and police violence that have been taking place across the country for weeks.

The Detroit News, which reported on the Orion Township altercation early Thursday, shared both videos, the longer of which — at just over three minutes — shows more of the encounter. The News identified the mother as Takelia Hill and quoted her as saying that the argument began because the white woman had bumped into her daughter and was yelling “in my daughter’s face.” Ms. Hill could not be reached for comment.

The videos, recorded by Ms. Hill and her daughter on Wednesday evening, do not show what happened before the argument began. In one of the videos, Ms. Hill can be seen standing in front of the white woman, and her daughter says, “This ignorant woman bumped into a 15-year-old.”

After an angry, profanity-laced exchange, including accusations of racism and demands that the police be called, the white woman returns to her minivan and says through a lowered window that “you cannot just walk around calling white people racist.”

“This is not that type of world,” she says. “White people aren’t racist. No one’s racist. I care about you. I care about you and I’m sorry if you had an incident that has made someone make you feel like that. No one is racist. I’m sorry if you had something like that happen.”

As she speaks, Ms. Hill repeatedly asks, “Why would you bump her?”

The camera briefly turns away from the minivan as it backs out of a parking spot, and the teenager shouts for her mother to watch out.

Ms. Hill then asks whether the couple were trying to hit her with the minivan, and hits the back of the vehicle with her hand. The white woman exits the car holding a handgun and, using profanity, tells Ms. Hill to “get away.” The woman cocks the gun and points it at Ms. Hill, who is standing a few feet away.

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“You’re going to shoot me?” Ms. Hill says, and she, her daughter and the armed woman ask for someone to call the police. The woman tells Ms. Hill not to jump behind her car, which Ms. Hill denies doing, and then the woman begins to scream at Ms. Hill to back away. Crying can be heard. The woman eventually lowers the gun and gets back in the minivan, and it pulls away.

“Call the police, no, don’t go anywhere,” Ms. Hill says. “You were about to hit me with the car.”

Her daughter can be heard saying: “These white people, they’re so racist. They pulled a gun out on my mom.”

Sheriff Bouchard said the authorities responded after they received six 911 calls related to the altercation, each of which he played at the news conference on Thursday. He said officers ordered the white woman out of the van, put her on the ground, handcuffed her and took her gun.

Bryan Pietsch contributed reporting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40537327)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 7:51 PM
Author: ebony awkward affirmative action coffee pot

I'm just curious where everyone sees this bullshit headed. What exactly were they supposed to do in this situation?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40537447)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 7:59 PM
Author: territorial old irish cottage gaping



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40537496)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 10:00 PM
Author: flickering chocolate candlestick maker crotch

if there is a white person without white guilt on the jury, they will not be convicted

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40538268)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 10:05 PM
Author: ebony awkward affirmative action coffee pot

I get that, but merely arresting and prosecuting every white person who tries to defend themselves is going to make this country unlivable and embolden people to start shit with random white people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40538301)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 11:03 PM
Author: Seedy Regret Stead

Gee, it's almost like that's the whole point of this "movement"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40538737)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 11:49 PM
Author: flickering chocolate candlestick maker crotch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40539049)



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Date: July 3rd, 2020 6:56 AM
Author: jet halford



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40539873)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 9:03 PM
Author: ebony awkward affirmative action coffee pot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40548070)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 10:03 PM
Author: startled ratface

why was the guy fired? he didn't do anything at all except put his wife back in the car. why was he even charged?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40538293)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 10:06 PM
Author: ebony awkward affirmative action coffee pot

Because it ruins his life and sends a warning to other white people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40538309)



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Date: July 3rd, 2020 6:56 AM
Author: jet halford



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40539874)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 11:28 PM
Author: tantric associate juggernaut



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40538908)



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Date: July 3rd, 2020 1:12 AM
Author: glittery brunch

The sheriff explained the charges by saying that “any weapon that could cause serious and potentially deadly injury can be charged as a felonious assault.”

lol, no. that statement is patently ridiculous

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40539442)



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Date: July 3rd, 2020 7:11 AM
Author: charcoal psychic

An article on Thursday about an altercation between two women in a parking lot in Orion Township, Mich., misstated the race of one of the women and her husband. They are Jewish, not white.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/03/pageoneplus/corrections-july-3-2020.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40539891)



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Date: July 3rd, 2020 11:15 PM
Author: Swashbuckling dog poop ticket booth

By Alan Yuhas and Michael Levenson

🤔

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40544237)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 7:34 PM
Author: sapphire foreskin

You shouldn't have a gun pulled on you for trying to start a conversation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40537356)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 7:47 PM
Author: multi-colored fantasy-prone background story rigor

Gun laws seem very fact intensive. The other side committed an assault, battery and false imprisonment at the very least. It doesn't make sense that they weren't charged.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40537423)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 11:18 PM
Author: aqua charismatic public bath toaster

i don't see anyone giving the white woman credit for being pregnant.

to be honest, i understand a person being hyper sensitive to the possibility of a physical altercation when they're visibly pregnant.

false imprisonment is also a good point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40538837)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 11:29 PM
Author: tantric associate juggernaut



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40538912)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 8:53 PM
Author: laughsome shrine love of her life

Post removed by moderator for violating The Law of The Land.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40537865)



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Date: July 2nd, 2020 11:02 PM
Author: Crimson infuriating boltzmann



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40538731)



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Date: July 3rd, 2020 12:35 AM
Author: dashing dopamine factory reset button

This was not justified self defense. See a therapist about your anger issues if you can’t analyze this without race clouding the fact pattern for you. Are you really lawyers lol? Please don’t become judges.

So anyway, the white woman did not reasonably fear for her life when she got out of the car and brandished a gun.

You are a giant faggot if you think this was false imprisonment.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40539298)



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Date: July 3rd, 2020 12:51 AM
Author: flickering chocolate candlestick maker crotch

there are plausible arguments on both sides here, but I bet they take a plea

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40539364)



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Date: July 3rd, 2020 12:56 AM
Author: Brindle deer antler

this is why i don't carry a gun. i would be too inclined to overreact like she did. looks like they had enough space to drive away after they backed up. regardless, the husband could have fended her off with his bare hands.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40539385)



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Date: July 3rd, 2020 1:32 AM
Author: Trip lay dysfunction

douse yourself in duck sauce, faggot. these niggers deserve death.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40539514)



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Date: July 3rd, 2020 1:39 AM
Author: floppy rigpig

(azn)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40539536)



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Date: July 3rd, 2020 10:49 AM
Author: Scarlet volcanic crater

Standing behind the car was false imprisonment but more importantly it was designed to prevent the passengers from retreating to safety. It was literally trapping them in a dangerous situation with angry people threatening them.

Normally libs are all "you could have retreated!" but here they did retreat and the escape was blocked by angry people.

The reasonable inference is that the blockers meant to harm. The reasonable inference is that the blockers did not want the people in the car to reach a safe position.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40540613)



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Date: July 3rd, 2020 10:54 PM
Author: glittery brunch

chilmata, address this last sentence. what do you think the reasonable inference is?

flip around the races and does the black lady getting out of the vehicle get charged?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40544125)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 8:09 PM
Author: dashing dopamine factory reset button

The teenage girl was not a threat to the people in a 2,000 pound vehicle.

They could have backed out slowly. They could have called the cops.

If you are actually stupid enough to believe that brandishing a firearm was justified then you must be stupid enough to think it would have been justified to run the girl over. Right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40547869)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 8:30 PM
Author: Scarlet volcanic crater

"They could have backed out slowly."

They DID. And when they did the angry threatening people trapped them from retreating.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40547934)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 9:22 PM
Author: dashing dopamine factory reset button

So you believe they were justified in running them over?

Would YOU have felt your life was in imminent danger sitting inside a car with a morbidly obese black woman yelling at you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40548137)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 10:17 PM
Author: Scarlet volcanic crater

Once she blocked my exit, I would have felt I was at reasonable risk for serious bodily harm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40548361)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 11:09 PM
Author: dashing dopamine factory reset button

Lol you pussy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40548554)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 10:55 PM
Author: glittery brunch

i don't think a firearm was warranted, but i do think they should have run the stupid bitch over

slowly

however, it's not as if the stupid bitch is blameless. if we can cross areas of law. she acted like stupid bitch to an eggshell whitey and could have gotten got for her idiocy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40548496)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 7:59 PM
Author: dashing dopamine factory reset button

Amazing post-moniker synergy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40547837)



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Date: July 3rd, 2020 8:48 AM
Author: Poppy Trust Fund Institution

What I don’t get is why the husband has been charged with a felony and apparently fired from his job.

“Eric Wuestenberg, who is identified on the Oakland University website as a veterans support services coordinator, also was fired.

"We have seen the video and we deem his behavior unacceptable," university spokesman Brian Bierley said, adding he "has been notified that his employment has been terminated."

From what I saw, he tried to de-escalate the situation, woman threatened him verbally with bodily harm, he gets into van to drive away, woman runs up behind van and starts pounding on it.

Why get charged with a felony and fired for that? Clown world



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575234&forum_id=2#40540103)



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Date: July 3rd, 2020 10:48 PM
Author: Crimson infuriating boltzmann



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Date: July 3rd, 2020 10:52 PM
Author: glittery brunch

it's not clown world, it's fucking preposterous based on the video

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Date: July 4th, 2020 9:28 PM
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Date: July 4th, 2020 10:42 PM
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Date: July 4th, 2020 10:54 PM
Author: Elite boistinker

Maoism is a beautiful thing like that. Yankeestan no longer has ANY claim to moral superiority over the socialist block countries. Enjoy your cultural revolution.

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Date: July 5th, 2020 12:07 AM
Author: territorial old irish cottage gaping



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