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CA BAR Takers: Essay Question
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Date: June 28th, 2012 1:23 AM Author: wild selfie stock car I'm licensed in another state and am taking the CA bar right now. Since I'm working full time I'm not taking BARBRI.
For the essays, I'm curious what they said in the lectures about the formatting. Is it just IRAC the fuck out of everything or is there anything else? |
Date: June 28th, 2012 1:25 AM Author: Maize mood IRAC + headings + underline important words like reasonable person, promissory estoppel, etc. etc. shit like that, actually promissory estoppel would be a heading, you'd underline the elements of promissory estoppel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1981117&forum_id=2#20973047) |
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Date: June 28th, 2012 1:28 AM Author: wild selfie stock car thanks. A few other questions.
What is the essay grade scale?
Second, Barbri said essentially no one had ever failed the NY exam who got at least 140+ on the MBE. Did they say any MBE score essentially guaranteed passing on the CA bar? |
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Date: June 28th, 2012 1:31 AM Author: Maize mood i don't actually remember my score, but it was over 140 on the MBE and i failed. that being said i didn't take barbri and i took a sps course that actually told me to skip free points on the essays. they basically told me bro if it's obvious that there's a contract in a contract's essay don't talk about offer acceptance and consideration. there's no point focus on the topics that there's a lot to talk about, when i hired a tutor they were like dude if u just did x, y and z on this essay and on this essay you'd have passed already, i basically threw away like 30 easy points on each essay.
if u score a 140 on the MBE it's pretty hard to fail, you can borderline fail all of your essays and be fine. but if you already passed the bar someplace else u don't take the mbe right? |
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Date: June 28th, 2012 1:35 AM Author: excitant puce police squad pit You should really out that SPS course so other people don't take it, brother. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1981117&forum_id=2#20973134) |
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Date: June 28th, 2012 1:37 AM Author: Maize mood kaplan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1981117&forum_id=2#20973165) |
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Date: June 28th, 2012 1:32 AM Author: Lemon Organic Girlfriend Office pretty sure that's impossible in CA because MBE isn't worth half of the points like it is in NY. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1981117&forum_id=2#20973112) |
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Date: June 28th, 2012 1:35 AM Author: wild selfie stock car thanks. What is a good essay/PT score? I know CA has that weird scoring system 50-70 or whatever it is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1981117&forum_id=2#20973148) |
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Date: June 28th, 2012 1:36 AM Author: Maize mood it goes up to 100, but it's exceedingly difficult to get a score that high from what i heard from rumors (this was from some guy that took the bar like 5 times tho). u wanna be scoring 70+ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1981117&forum_id=2#20973161) |
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Date: June 28th, 2012 1:40 AM Author: wild selfie stock car so is 70 an average score or is that like the 80th percentile. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1981117&forum_id=2#20973202) |
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Date: June 28th, 2012 1:41 AM Author: Maize mood 70 is right around what your essay needs to be to be "passing" eh it was 65 or around there actually, but 70 is like you're safe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1981117&forum_id=2#20973204) |
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Date: June 28th, 2012 3:31 AM Author: Green goal in life temple A 70 is a very solid essay. I took the exam last year and it was scary to see failing essays that scored a 55 which looked very similar to 70s.
If you can average a 65 on the essays you're in very good shape. |
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Date: June 30th, 2012 5:40 PM Author: Jade Toilet Seat false. 70 is well above average. almost everyone ends up getting 55-65s (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1981117&forum_id=2#20991692) |
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Date: June 30th, 2012 7:14 PM Author: wild selfie stock car Does any website actually have the confirmed average passing essay score?
This website says 70 is borderline average
http://www.law.berkeley.edu/files/BarPrepHandout04.22.08.pdf |
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Date: July 1st, 2012 12:59 AM Author: Jade Toilet Seat assuming u get equally low on mbe/essay/pt i think u need to average 62.5 on the essays. lots of people do solid on the mbe + pts though so u can screw up essays quite a bit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1981117&forum_id=2#20994332) |
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Date: June 28th, 2012 3:57 AM Author: peach appetizing parlour genital piercing Subject: CA Bar Tutor here. A few things:
1) I hope you're taking the full exam with MBE and not just the attorney's exam (only essays). The MBE will help raise your score (and to a comment above, MBE's don't transfer into CA).
2) A good strategy is to learn the fuck out of the MBE subjects and prof responsibility. You'll rape the MBE, and you'll also do well on roughly half of the essay portion (as PR is always guaranteed for the most part, and MBE subjects will involve 35-50% of the essay portion).
3) You're practicing so you should do well on the PTs. Take all this into account, and it really doesn't matter what you do on the random as fuck wills or community property essays. That said, those are easy too.
4) For scoring, a 65 is technically failing and 70 is technically passing based on an average. You'll probably get some mixture of 70s and 65s, with maybe a 75 or 80 thrown in with a 60 possibly if you just blank on one.
5) The formula I think is 34% MBE, 26% PT's, and 40% essays on a 2000 pt scale. Everything is converted into some #, don't even bother trying to figure it out. You're supposed to get like a 1440 or so , but that doesn't mean you need to get 72% right per se.
6) Definitely IRAC and be elementary as possible. Tons of headings and subheadings, make sure to address tandem issues always (e.g., conversion AND trespass to chattels). If you just read a bunch of sample answers, you can see the general structures you need for any given essay in each subject. It's pretty formulaic.
7) You won't know everything...but take solace in the fact that everyone else won't either (and most will know less). |
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Date: June 30th, 2012 4:42 PM Author: wild selfie stock car thanks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1981117&forum_id=2#20991298) |
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Date: June 30th, 2012 4:48 PM Author: Odious gold juggernaut do I just IRAC the fuck out of everything? I mean, do I literally break down all the elements of a rule?
E.g., burglary--every element gets a heading:
Breaking and Entering Of a dwelling Of another at Night With an intent to felony therein
like that? the barbri sample answers dont always do that but im going to do that shit for security. |
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Date: June 30th, 2012 6:07 PM Author: Green goal in life temple Yes, this is how the bar graders expect it, especially if it's a major issue. I don't think it's possible to have too many headings, but if you don't have enough the grader will fuck you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1981117&forum_id=2#20991829) |
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Date: June 30th, 2012 6:35 PM Author: Odious gold juggernaut that's what i thought because they probably jsut read the headers and some analysis and give u a grade
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Date: July 1st, 2012 12:41 AM Author: mind-boggling overrated house well that is burglary lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1981117&forum_id=2#20994236) |
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Date: July 1st, 2012 12:48 AM Author: Odious gold juggernaut love u (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1981117&forum_id=2#20994273) |
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Date: June 30th, 2012 11:45 PM Author: racy sooty school cafeteria stain if you don't know the law make it up
most importantly use all the facts. if you don't know how a given fact implicates a law, just make it up |
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Date: June 30th, 2012 11:59 PM Author: Odious gold juggernaut hmmm I have trouble spotting issues because their facts are more subtle (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1981117&forum_id=2#20993913) |
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Date: July 1st, 2012 12:02 AM Author: racy sooty school cafeteria stain whose facts? most issues on the bar are not very subtle. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1981117&forum_id=2#20993943) |
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Date: July 1st, 2012 12:03 AM Author: Odious gold juggernaut CA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1981117&forum_id=2#20993961) |
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Date: July 1st, 2012 12:36 AM Author: racy sooty school cafeteria stain The fact patterns are short and all facts are there for a reason. If you don't know why make something up but make sure to talk about the facts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1981117&forum_id=2#20994200) |
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Date: July 1st, 2012 1:01 AM Author: Irradiated nibblets (retard) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1981117&forum_id=2#20994342) |
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Date: July 1st, 2012 12:04 AM Author: offensive plum garrison azn no. irac is highly DISFAVORED. dont do that. please. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1981117&forum_id=2#20993966) |
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Date: July 1st, 2012 12:06 AM Author: Odious gold juggernaut stfu (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1981117&forum_id=2#20993981) |
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Date: July 1st, 2012 1:01 AM Author: Jade Toilet Seat cr. bar essay graders prefer long prose in the way of mark twain. be sure to use lots of semicolons. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1981117&forum_id=2#20994343) |