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"Ski resorts" won't exist in 10 years
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Date: January 24th, 2019 3:49 PM Author: ruddy bawdyhouse french chef Nobody under 30 can afford this hobby anymore (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655192) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 4:54 PM Author: bistre station Hopefully CSLG loses his entire investment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655561) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 5:08 PM Author: histrionic resort regret That hurts my feelings, brother. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655644) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 3:49 PM Author: bistre station You can afford it, as you remind us every single day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37662771) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 7:08 PM Author: Exciting Bronze School Cafeteria Pervert 120 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37656464) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 7:28 PM Author: Bateful iridescent school weed whacker ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37656550) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 10:49 PM Author: Cracking pale skinny woman center Wow cool poast (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37657898) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 9:26 AM Author: razzle grizzly hell Lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37659546) |
Date: January 24th, 2019 3:51 PM Author: Jade Out-of-control Puppy Tons of people are rich man. Wtf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655208) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 3:52 PM Author: ruddy bawdyhouse french chef Not shityoungs they are all literal unemployed marxists (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655214) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 3:52 PM Author: Poppy odious quadroon Fuhlame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655213) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 3:54 PM Author: nighttime step-uncle's house masturbator lol aspen, brek, etc are straight up BOOMING right now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655224) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 10:02 AM Author: Slippery Roast Beef Are they? What are their revenue numbers compared to the 90's? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39380865) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 3:56 PM Author: Vibrant shivering goal in life boltzmann in quebec i've gotten a lift ticket + rental for $30 US. US prices are out of control and will hopefully come down when no longer supported by boomers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655231) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 3:57 PM Author: ruddy bawdyhouse french chef Prices at mt hood have quadrupled in 20 years & the mountain didnt get any bigger. Insane flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655239) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 4:03 PM Author: crimson adventurous idiot cf law school tuition (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655276) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 4:53 PM Author: Duck-like Spectacular Kitty oregon and washington resorts have all been invaded by californians. they take weeklong "winter holidays" and spend lavishly. locals get priced out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655555) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 5:10 PM Author: ruddy bawdyhouse french chef I can't believe anyone would take a holiday to mt hood it is pure shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655650) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 5:23 PM Author: Lascivious mewling giraffe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655725) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 5:25 PM Author: ruddy bawdyhouse french chef ??
Read the poast i was replying to |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 5:28 PM Author: Lascivious mewling giraffe ha fair enough (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655754) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 5:25 PM Author: Electric Shimmering Stain Alpha Hey dumbass if the mountain got bigger prices would go down cuz supply of mountain would increase (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655744) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 5:28 PM Author: ruddy bawdyhouse french chef Shit maybe the Mt. St Helens "eruption" was really a planned detonation by developers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655752) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 5:28 PM Author: Provocative idiotic cruise ship place of business obvsly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655759) |
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Date: January 7th, 2020 1:03 AM Author: Coral Round Eye 180 you had me mad as fuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39391030) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 3:57 PM Author: Arrogant ticket booth corn cake skiing is pretty cheap if you want it to be (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655243) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 3:59 PM Author: Lascivious mewling giraffe it's never really "pretty cheap" but it's certainly not (or doesn't need to be) as bad as window prices might indicate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655255) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 9:00 AM Author: Floppy Parlour Ticket at Wildcat is $30. 2,000 ft vertical drop and pretty damn good skiing.
https://www.skiwildcat.com/lift-tickets/ |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 7:37 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle silver associate This is my neighborhood. Just took some kids up KING PINE.
Up there, you can get season/package tickets to every resort around (3+) for a couple hundred. Not bad value if you want a week of skiing.
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Date: January 24th, 2019 4:00 PM Author: ruddy bawdyhouse french chef (Backcountry bro) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655256) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 4:06 PM Author: Lascivious mewling giraffe lol at anyone who thinks backcountry skiing is an economical alternative to normal resort shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655291) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 12:48 PM Author: pea-brained arousing base rigor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39381384) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 4:06 PM Author: Arrogant ticket booth corn cake you can work in NYC and hit the slopes every night after work if you wanted to (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655296) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 4:09 PM Author: Lascivious mewling giraffe (guy who commutes from the poconos) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655304) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 4:11 PM Author: Mahogany Boistinker Chapel How does this work? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655313) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 4:15 PM Author: Arrogant ticket booth corn cake get in your car and drive there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655329) |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 1:03 PM Author: soul-stirring pungent deer antler where at night? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39386966) |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 7:24 PM Author: Arrogant ticket booth corn cake yes dumbass, you ski at night (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39389133) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 3:59 PM Author: obsidian site Sad. It costs a fortune to ski for a day (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655250) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 4:48 PM Author: Lascivious mewling giraffe true.
but it doesn't cost a fortune to ski for a season. |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 4:51 PM Author: Curious piazza it's never cheap but you can bring the average cost per day down if you ski at least 10-20 days (ski pass, ski share etc.) but you're still talking about reducing $200-400 per day down to $80-120 a day (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655548) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 6:48 PM Author: irradiated outnumbered dopamine messiness My cost per day is closer to 30 ($350 season pass) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37656314) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 7:26 PM Author: Curious piazza do you stay at the mountain? drive in every day? eat at the resort?
my point is that unless you live at the base of a ski resort and only eat home cooked meals, the ski pass plus lodging/dining expenses rapidly add up. buying a season pass/renting a share or a ski cabin can bring those costs down but it's still a lot more than a hobby like running or hiking. |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 8:54 PM Author: irradiated outnumbered dopamine messiness I drive in for the day (usually around 1.5 hours) and bring a lunch. I realize that’s not the norm, but those extra costs some people are racking up are optional. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37657166) |
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Date: January 7th, 2020 10:31 AM Author: Coral Round Eye lol at "the only skiing around me is at a resort"mos (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39391984) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 9:27 AM Author: lavender exhilarant haunted graveyard theater *registers for one cheap community college class*
*gets student rate* |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 4:02 PM Author: crimson adventurous idiot If you're a local it make sense to get the pass (Ikon or Epic depending on where you live) then go 15-20 days in a season. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655271) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 5:29 PM Author: Provocative idiotic cruise ship place of business If you're local, you should be getting in 100 days (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655769) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 10:52 PM Author: dashing garnet whorehouse hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37657917) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 11:48 AM Author: Alcoholic Plum Location Philosopher-king Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39381132) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 4:04 PM Author: cobalt boyish box office There are like 11 million households in the US with over $1 million in assets. Tons and tons of rich people will be going to Aspen for the foreseeable future. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655283) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 4:11 PM Author: ruddy bawdyhouse french chef Can't pay for après with your home equity (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655314) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 4:53 PM Author: Passionate national security agency you can though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655559) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 10:10 AM Author: Black naked roommate , said Moshe's yarmulke to the goy baseball cap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39380878) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 4:12 PM Author: fragrant address Link to that stat?
It also costs like $15k to take a family of four to Aspen for a week. |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 4:49 PM Author: Lascivious mewling giraffe only if you really want it to cost 15k (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655533) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 6:20 PM Author: cobalt boyish box office https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/21/us-added-700000-new-millionaires-in-2017.html
The U.S. now has more than 11 million millionaire households, according to Spectrem Group, up more than 6 percent from 2016. The number of new millionaires and the total population of millionaires set records. Spectrem defines millionaire households as those with at least $1 million in investible assets, not including primary residence. |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 9:02 AM Author: Floppy Parlour So go to sugarloaf or Waterville valley valley or sugarbush. You don’t need to pick the literally most expensive mountain in the country. That’s like complaining that golf is expensive because pebble beach costs $1,000. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39380730) |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 2:55 AM Author: Concupiscible deep preventive strike That’s it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39385442) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 4:58 PM Author: Snowy fanboi forum Good flame bruh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655591) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 5:04 PM Author: Pearly marvelous police squad Lots of dumbs and/or poors ITT. If your work doesn't allow you to work from home, LOL at you. You can literally rent a condo near Poconos or Windham for 3 months and ski everyday. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655625) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 6:06 AM Author: motley internal respiration LOL @ calling others dumbs/poors while suggesting that someone should rent a condo so they can ski on the east coast (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39380556) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 5:27 PM Author: vigorous topaz hall Short MTN (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655749) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 5:29 PM Author: Lascivious mewling giraffe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655775) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 5:32 PM Author: Mahogany Boistinker Chapel Please provide how-tos and advice for a skimo in MFH. Thank. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655792) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 7:38 PM Author: Lascivious mewling giraffe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37656608) |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 1:05 PM Author: soul-stirring pungent deer antler do you fly to salt lake? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39386973) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 4:52 AM Author: Lascivious mewling giraffe i ended up with 38 days (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39380502) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 5:42 PM Author: fiercely-loyal plaza They’ll exist. Lots of Chinese tourists are invading ski resorts. They will often just pay the lifet ticket just to go to the top of the gondola at places like Jackson hole while wearing designer clothes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655871) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 5:44 PM Author: heady orchid genital piercing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37655883) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 6:21 PM Author: cobalt boyish box office JFC what a nightmare (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37656111) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 6:23 PM Author: Buck-toothed Light Range (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37656120) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 6:23 PM Author: crimson adventurous idiot they put a shrimp buffet up there too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37656127) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 6:31 PM Author: cobalt boyish box office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37656175) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 7:38 PM Author: Lascivious mewling giraffe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37656610) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 12:02 AM Author: Indigo swashbuckling principal's office ladyboy (Top of Mt Everest) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37658295) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 6:32 PM Author: ruddy bawdyhouse french chef Now im picturing a mainland chink trying to pronounce Corbet's Couloir (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37656189) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 6:46 PM Author: Exciting Bronze School Cafeteria Pervert (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37656291) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 6:52 PM Author: Provocative idiotic cruise ship place of business (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37656345) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 7:38 PM Author: Lascivious mewling giraffe nice one (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37656611) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 11:17 AM Author: Mahogany Boistinker Chapel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37660376) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 9:05 AM Author: copper rigpig stag film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39380735) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 10:10 AM Author: Black naked roommate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39380879) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 12:49 PM Author: Charismatic sneaky criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39381394) |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 7:28 AM Author: Frozen indecent orchestra pit psychic 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39385668) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 7:22 PM Author: Duck-like Spectacular Kitty supposedly this happens a lot in russia. chinese tour groups fly from beijing or chengdu or harbin to vladivostok and spend their time being bused around various mountains and ski resorts, taking photos. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37656522) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 10:11 AM Author: Black naked roommate Do they even ski? I can only imagine them crashing into each other causing some unnecessary deaths. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39380884) |
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Date: January 7th, 2020 2:16 AM Author: beta market their slitty little eyes make it impossible (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39391208) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 9:34 PM Author: stimulating chocolate nowag stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37657432) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 12:01 AM Author: cerise bisexual brunch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37658283) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 12:08 AM Author: sticky gas station persian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37658329) |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 7:58 AM Author: cyan library fortuitous meteor I have seen this in the Swiss alps too. They put a watch shop for Chinese tourists in the top of Jungfraujoch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39385703) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 6:44 PM Author: Vivacious national legend lol skiing is cheaper than a round of golf
i figured this was a climate change thread, which is why skiing actually won't exist |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 8:53 PM Author: fragrant address Ljl no it’s not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37657155) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 10:57 AM Author: Vivacious national legend well yes if you define "skiing" as "I must take my family to Aspen or Chamonix for two weeks and we must stay in our own private villa with an instructor and five star dining apres" which it appears some of you are trying to do.
there are plenty of ski resorts on the east coast that are day trips from the cities that you can do a lift ticket and rentals for $100-$150 a day for an adult. obviously less for kids and obviously less if you own your own stuff. |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 11:15 AM Author: Lascivious mewling giraffe can't believe i'm agreeing with you on something for the first time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37660360) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 11:20 PM Author: lime cerebral heaven (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37658039) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 9:16 AM Author: Arrogant ticket booth corn cake skiing isn't cheaper than golf and lol at "climate change" fake science actually making a difference. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37659490) |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 2:57 AM Author: Concupiscible deep preventive strike Even if their temperature models weren’t completely wrong every time, 2 degrees would just move everything a bit north, wouldn’t end skiing lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39385445) |
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Date: January 7th, 2020 1:36 PM Author: Coral Round Eye it's 2 degrees global average temperature, not everything just shifts up 2 degrees
a core part of climate change is the *std deviation* is going to increase, which is less like "today is 60, so it'll be 62 in the future" and more like "this week was 60, 62, 60, 62, 60, 62, averaging out to be 61, but it'll be 72, 52, 72, 52, 72, 52, averaging out to be 62"
which is why the solution isn't "just do farm 1 degree further north" bc the growing seasons are going to be more erratic and it's going to be harder to produce a crop when a normal above-freezing season is going to be half below-freezing, destroying the ground crops |
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Date: August 23rd, 2023 12:10 AM Author: racy lake crackhouse Very AZN response.
Western corporate farmers have solved this problem.
You can have your spies go ahead and steal our rootstock now. Lol @ Chinese malthusians. Classic |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 2:56 AM Author: Concupiscible deep preventive strike Wow, we got a SCIENTIST over here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39385443) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 7:08 PM Author: Exciting Bronze School Cafeteria Pervert It is insanely expensive when you factor in flights, lift tickets, gear, hotels, rental cars, food. Easily $500-$1000 a day (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37656460) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 7:39 PM Author: Lascivious mewling giraffe you don't always have to fly out west, man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37656614) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 10:48 PM Author: pea-brained arousing base rigor tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37657893) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 1:36 PM Author: Exciting Bronze School Cafeteria Pervert Ljl @ paying $ to ski small, low angle resorts in the east covered in ice and and shitty snow. If Im going skiing Im doing it at a real mountain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37661585) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 1:37 PM Author: ruddy bawdyhouse french chef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37661597) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 3:17 PM Author: Lascivious mewling giraffe mountains like stowe, sugarbush, whiteface, sugarloaf are pretty fucking awesome mountains man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37662523) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 8:16 AM Author: Nubile cheese-eating hissy fit rehab Yes much better than most east coast but still a 6 hour drive each way from MFH, still expensive and still very dependent on snow snow conditions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39380664) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 8:54 PM Author: fragrant address Estimate the cost for a family of four to go to Aspen for 5 days and stay in decent accommodations (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37657162) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 10:48 PM Author: ruddy bawdyhouse french chef 5 grand (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37657891) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 9:24 AM Author: fragrant address ljl way too low. That would barely cover airfare and accomodations (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37659534) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 10:49 PM Author: pea-brained arousing base rigor If you're worried about this then you shouldn't be going to Aspen. Go ski Winter Park or a million other great Colorado resorts without the name brand recognition. Hell, Loveland is one of my favorite resorts and some of the best skiing I've had in my entire life has been there despite it being a) cheap and b) basically a resort for locals. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37657900) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 11:56 PM Author: fiercely-loyal plaza It gets exponentially more expensive once you have children. I just bought ski clothing for my 3 year old and it’ll last him 2 seasons tops. Factor in rentals and lessons and you’re running about $200/day for one child alone.
We get the mountain collective pass every year so save a bunch on lift tickets but plenty of people are shelling out $150/day for lift tickets for a family of 4-5 people. |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 12:02 AM Author: cerise bisexual brunch buy it at nordstrom and return it in 2 years! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37658290) |
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Date: January 8th, 2020 1:49 AM Author: Insanely Creepy Locus Famous Landscape Painting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39397460) |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 2:25 AM Author: mind-boggling pisswyrm tanning salon how about you just not ski retard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39385402) |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 2:45 AM Author: wine temple (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39385428) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 9:58 PM Author: pea-brained arousing base rigor This is silly.
1. It is cheap for locals
2. If you ski a bunch, you can get season passes for reasonable amounts
3. Super expensive places like Aspen aren't necessary for people that just want to ski. Plenty of places are far cheaper and have specials midweek and such
4. There are college specials, old people's specials, etc. |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 10:51 PM Author: swollen public bath cr, and most people who ski are locals who get season passes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37657910) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 10:57 PM Author: pea-brained arousing base rigor Exactly. And I'm loling at people here bitching about the cost and then asking about Aspen. That's like saying "fuck, cars are too expensive these days! What does that new Lambo SUV cost anyway?"
If you really love to ski and don't have money you get a season pass for a local hill. |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 9:25 AM Author: fragrant address I don't think you understood what I was saying dude (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37659541) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 9:27 AM Author: pea-brained arousing base rigor Ok, explain it to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37659552) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 10:58 AM Author: Vivacious national legend funny because there's multiple people saying what TMF is saying (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37660216) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 1:37 PM Author: Exciting Bronze School Cafeteria Pervert A lot of people in the country dont have a local hill, man. The vast majority, actually. And ljl at getting a season pass to someplace with 300 feet of vertical in the midwest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37661606) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 3:57 PM Author: pea-brained arousing base rigor I think you are looking at it wrong. The question isn't whether non-rich people in Atlanta or Indianapolis or whatever pay to go skiing. It is whether there are enough locals + people willing to fly out to support the ski resorts that are currently open. The answer is "yeah, definitely."
Also, for kids learning to ski, the 300' vertical drop local hill is fine. I remember going to these as a kid at my school's ski club and had a blast. |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 10:58 AM Author: Vivacious national legend exactly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37660219) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 10:50 PM Author: swollen public bath its not that expensive if you can drive to the slopes, maybe a few hundred per season
most people who ski are locals |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 12:01 AM Author: appetizing hospital Skiing seems like flame compared to poasting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37658282) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 12:21 AM Author: Tantric Theatre Candlestick Maker To me, skiing is not fun enough to justify the expense or effort. Plus once you're over 25 there is just an enormous injury risk that probably isn't worth taking.
But I think this prediction is pretty dumb. Skiing is very Instagramable, so shrews will continue to do it. |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 12:21 AM Author: cerise bisexual brunch cr. injury risk is too high -- http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4177815&mc=100&forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37658381) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 12:24 AM Author: Tantric Theatre Candlestick Maker It sounds like you're an idiot, but I know a lot of people who were very good skiers but then in their 40s just took a bad turn and tore up their knee. Your body just isn't really meant to be turning at 40 mph at a certain age. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37658394) |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 2:19 AM Author: Flesh harsh dingle berry yarmulke You're an idiot.
You're not even supposed to be "turning" when skiing (other than racers who need to combine pivots with carves), unless you're going like 10mph at which point you're not injuring yourself.
You just put your skis on edge, flex your legs and ride the carve. Very hard to get injured if you know how to ski.
30+ years of skiing and never injured. I don't know anyone who got injured in my years of skiing other than: racers, idiot beginners who tried to do a black run, drinking + skiing, and freestyle mos who hurt themselves doing jumps.
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Date: January 6th, 2020 2:29 AM Author: Lascivious mewling giraffe "30+ years of skiing and never injured. I don't know anyone who got injured in my years of skiing other than: racers, idiot beginners who tried to do a black run, drinking + skiing, and freestyle mos who hurt themselves doing jumps."
lol fucking kill yourself |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 8:09 AM Author: Flesh harsh dingle berry yarmulke (idiot beginner with torn acl) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39385718) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 12:21 AM Author: ruddy bawdyhouse french chef I'm going skiing tomorrow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37658382) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 12:43 AM Author: magenta laughsome abode laser beams I live in MFH and am the definition of an intermediate skier. Not sure whether or not I agree with OP but here's some info:
I've taken the ski bus twice this season. $95 gets you a ride both ways from downtown and a lift ticket.
I also have another trip planned on East Coast. I'll be staying at a friend's parent's place so it'll prob be ~$350pp for me and gf.
Also have another trip to UT planned in March for me and gf. I was blown away by how LITTLE it's going to cost. All in will be ~$1300 for me and gf.
I think the key is to 1) have friends who are locals 2) own your skies and equipment and 3) Not get sucked into the resort shit.
I am getting two three-day weekend trips and two day trips this season and will be spending like $1200. |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 9:26 AM Author: fragrant address Explain how its only $1300 for 2 people to go to Utah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37659548) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 11:27 AM Author: Lascivious mewling giraffe yeah, that doesn't seem doable even with sub-300 airfare (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37660468) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 1:41 PM Author: Exciting Bronze School Cafeteria Pervert It’s not. Last trip to Utah for me and the gf, 6 days of skiing came in around $2500 all in and that’s for an absolutely horrid hotel. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37661649) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 3:01 PM Author: magenta laughsome abode laser beams $550 flights books way back when $300 lift tix (this was biggest surprise) $200 air bnb for two nights (nights in the ends will be with good friend in SLC) $250 for food
I think the big difference is we are going to SKI, not to shrew out. Idk like I said above, it's a huge advantage to have friends who are locals. I was blown away by how little this trip cost to book
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Date: January 25th, 2019 6:27 PM Author: vigorous topaz hall Dude no way lift tickets are $300 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37663814) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 11:32 AM Author: Dull Feces i get really bored skiing and don't know how people do it more than 4-5 days a season (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37660535) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 11:38 AM Author: pea-brained arousing base rigor Do you get bored hiking too? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37660602) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 11:39 AM Author: Dull Feces hiking sucks posting is life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37660609) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 11:43 AM Author: pea-brained arousing base rigor Thank you for your contribution. You are free to leave this thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37660652) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 1:31 PM Author: Arrogant ticket booth corn cake how does any person not get bored "hiking"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37661541) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 2:22 PM Author: pea-brained arousing base rigor Because you're in nature, relaxing, usually talking, or thinking about random things, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37662039) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 10:15 AM Author: Black naked roommate Love hiking. Creat little games along the way. See who can skip rocks the farthest, try and creat a new path (if doable), etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39380894) |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 9:31 AM Author: Supple maroon clown meetinghouse i rarely say this but u suck lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39385915) |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 5:30 PM Author: pea-brained arousing base rigor ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39388588) |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 7:51 PM Author: Arrogant ticket booth corn cake So it’s golf minus the whole doing stuff part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39389312) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 1:06 PM Author: Floppy Parlour I can hike for 6 hours and not get bored (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39381493) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 1:28 PM Author: ruddy bawdyhouse french chef In the lodge having lunch now, barely anyone here at all, had fresh tracks all morning. Skiing is a white sport and the coubtry is browning (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37661514) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 1:42 PM Author: Exciting Bronze School Cafeteria Pervert How is Montana brother? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37661659) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 1:42 PM Author: ruddy bawdyhouse french chef Creepy post (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37661665) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 1:50 PM Author: Lascivious mewling giraffe mt hood? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37661738) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 2:22 PM Author: pea-brained arousing base rigor Nice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37662047) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 5:23 PM Author: Indigo swashbuckling principal's office ladyboy Hows Meadows? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37663392) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 5:21 PM Author: fiercely-loyal plaza Speaking of expensive, just bought a new obermeyer jacket to replace my 10 year old north face one for below 20 degree weather. It was 40% off though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37663383) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 5:37 PM Author: razzle grizzly hell what about when it gets cold? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37663496) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 7:00 AM Author: galvanic sepia headpube shrine Now rate me as a classic Stan Getz tune. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39380600) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 6:28 PM Author: Anal comical halford mental disorder You underestimate how many people are still rich and how many rich kids are running around (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#37663820) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 7:19 AM Author: Aromatic white lodge There’s more rich white Americans than ever you dumb shit. There is a difference between percentage and total number you dirty son of a goat. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39380610) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 8:08 AM Author: hilarious mexican the actual threat to ski resorts is climate change, although there are some with enough altitude that they'll be ok for a while (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39380660) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 9:03 AM Author: Floppy Parlour (guy who is about to turn to mueller/Russia conspiracy theories) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39380733) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 9:44 AM Author: hilarious mexican it's not like there will be no snow at all, but it won't be reliable enough for long seasons and snowmaking cuts into resort profitability so they'll lose money (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39380815) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 1:08 PM Author: titillating yellow tank space (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39381504) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 1:09 PM Author: titillating yellow tank space arent they getting like record levels of snow for the past several years of "climate change?"
EDIT: yep https://theknow.denverpost.com/2019/10/31/colorado-ski-resorts-record-october-snowfall/227714/ |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 1:43 PM Author: hilarious mexican that's colorado, which will be OK for a while.
the alps and Northeast are in rapid decline. |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 2:22 AM Author: Flesh harsh dingle berry yarmulke Have you ever been to the alps lol.
My last time skiing in the alps last year there was so much snow that they had to close huge sections of the mountains for avalance risk and I was borderline stranded because there was so much massive snowfall that my skis would constantly get stuck and I couldn't move. I had to take my skis off and walk like 1km carrying all my gear down to the next lift to get back down. |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 7:30 AM Author: Lascivious mewling giraffe (guy who lucked out and booked a trip in january 2018) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39385672) |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 8:12 AM Author: Flesh harsh dingle berry yarmulke The French alps were crazy good last year when I was there. I was in Austria the year before in early December and it was also fine.
The greatest variability in the snow I've noticed is that in the early/late season, the snow melts and freezes over night, meaning the snow is shit during the morning but gets better in the afternoon. But I prefer to get my skiing done in the morning so I have all afternoon/evening to do be drunk and do other stuff. |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 9:56 PM Author: hilarious mexican i had some friends go and get shut out because there was no snow. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39390011) |
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Date: January 7th, 2020 12:27 AM Author: Flesh harsh dingle berry yarmulke In the alps? Did they go in like November? Most of the AAA resorts in the alps are high enough that there is plenty of snow starting in November. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39390886) |
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Date: January 7th, 2020 2:03 AM Author: Lascivious mewling giraffe good luck at chamonix in november (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39391178) |
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Date: January 7th, 2020 3:59 AM Author: Flesh harsh dingle berry yarmulke You're absolutely right - lack of snow in November is devastating.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9KgeHKo3o4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asVxx7pbbas
I totally get that you can get screwed trying to ski in early December out west, but the alps are just a different beast. The high end resorts are so high up (even Chamonix is like 1,000M altitude and that's on the low-end, you have places that are 2,000M or higher) that you get reliable snow very early and very late in the season. The Euro ski racing season starts in like October.
But in all seriousness, I do most of my alpine skiing in early December/late November when it's a lot cheaper. There's plenty of snow and all the pistes are open at this time. The only downside is, you don't really have much powder, and the snow cam be pretty crap in lower areas (hard and icy because it melts and refreezes overnight), although everything still will be covered in snow, it's just not the "good" snow.
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Date: January 5th, 2020 8:58 AM Author: Floppy Parlour (guy who has never been to one of the 100 ski mountains on the northeast) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39380721) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 10:51 AM Author: canary diverse kitchen Skiing is not expensive it’s just become a status thing for shrews and Asians. Cf Nutella in this thread. It sucks because it’s ruining some good mountains but there’s plenty of places that aren’t as instagrammable that are still fun. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39380981) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 12:49 PM Author: pea-brained arousing base rigor Protip: this has been true for decades at the expensive resorts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39381396) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 1:56 PM Author: canary diverse kitchen It’s gotten way worse in the last 5 years. Rich people have been skiing in fancy resorts for almost a century but the Asians and instagram have taken it to another level. This also means places like Aspen have become a lot less exclusive and are just cash cows for Big Travel. The great irony of the Nutella mindset is that anything she’s into loses real status by virtue of her pursuing it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39381739) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 8:51 PM Author: pea-brained arousing base rigor That has more to do with the increasing population of wealthy Asians in America than anything else. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39383675) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 9:14 PM Author: canary diverse kitchen Not really, snow sports have gotten huge in China in the last few years. And like I said the truly rich have moved on. There are all kinds of private ski clubs and super expensive lodges. Aspen is proleville compared to a decade ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39383812) |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 2:26 AM Author: Flesh harsh dingle berry yarmulke What is this "private ski clubs" you speak of?
You don't need a membership to ski at the best mountains in the world and there are no "private only zones" at these mountains, partly because in most of these places a company doesn't actually own the mountain, they merely have the right to operate the lifts and maybe provide ski patrol services. |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 8:23 AM Author: canary diverse kitchen Yes there are. If you have to ask....
The best skiing is by snowcat or helicopter and both of these things have exploded over the last decade. |
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Date: January 7th, 2020 12:29 AM Author: Flesh harsh dingle berry yarmulke No there isn't. What you're referring to are those lame "private" resorts (more like lodges). They may or may not have their own "private" crap section of the mountain cordoned off or their own "private" shit 2 person lift off the side of the mountain, but there is no way they have "private" access to the main ski areas at places like Vail.
Helicopter skiing is something anyone can do as long as you pay. There is nothing private about it at all. And heli skiing has been huge among the big spender crowd since at least the early 2000s. And it's not nearly as expensive as people think it is. |
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Date: January 7th, 2020 12:54 AM Author: Lascivious mewling giraffe do you mean private ski resorts in china?
because that's not a thing here. |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 2:32 AM Author: mind-boggling pisswyrm tanning salon >>anything she’s into loses real status by virtue of her pursuing it. fucking headshot |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 2:58 AM Author: Concupiscible deep preventive strike (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39385446) |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 11:23 AM Author: fiercely-loyal plaza Lol, you haven’t posted regularly in many years and last two times have been to just take shots at me. Shouldn’t someone who is pursuing his passions of cutting edge M&A law be happier?
I’m just taking family vacations. Status couldn’t be further from my mind. |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 6:49 PM Author: kink-friendly sienna marketing idea nursing home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39388932) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 1:05 PM Author: Floppy Parlour So go to sugarloaf or Waterville valley valley or sugarbush. You don’t need to pick the literally most expensive mountain in the country. That’s like complaining that golf is expensive because pebble beach costs $1,000.
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Date: January 6th, 2020 12:23 AM Author: Lascivious mewling giraffe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39384939) |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 2:36 AM Author: Lascivious mewling giraffe sugarbush is my favorite mountain on the east coast. in terms of vibe it's my favorite in the US. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39385416) |
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Date: January 7th, 2020 10:57 AM Author: mentally impaired mad-dog skullcap yeah sugarbush is great. i went there for a bachelor party in 2013. Very chill. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39392105) |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 8:31 AM Author: Flesh harsh dingle berry yarmulke This is CR. Even at the big fancy mountains, there are many cheap options for lodging and food if you're willing to deal with a few minor inconveniences.
I don't get east coast types who fly out west. Much better off just flying to Europe if you're going to spend that much $$$. You can get great deals on flights, and lifts are generally under $100 a day and you can find lodging for much less than what Aspen charges you.
Part of the problem is for a lot of people a trip to Aspen or Vail is like their "once in a lifetime trip" so they'll blow through their money without cutting any corners, which raises prices for everyone. At least in Europe, skiing is a very common pasttime for a large portion of the population so prices can't go up without pissing everyone off. Less than $100 for a day pass in the alps! |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 11:58 AM Author: Supple maroon clown meetinghouse cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39386625) |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 4:46 PM Author: mentally impaired mad-dog skullcap I really loved Waterville Valley when I went in like 2004. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39388392) |
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Date: January 7th, 2020 2:00 AM Author: Lascivious mewling giraffe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39391169) |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 8:14 AM Author: Provocative idiotic cruise ship place of business LJL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39385723) |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 4:28 PM Author: Submissive Glittery Office Trust Fund https://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/06/travel/escapes/06ski.html
On No-Nonsense New Hampshire Slopes
By BILL PENNINGTONFEB. 5, 2009
Wildcat has steep and expert trails, a good test for skiers or riders. Brian Post for The New York Times IT is a subtle realization on the final five minutes of the drive to the venerable Wildcat Mountain in New Hampshire: Something is missing. Actually, lots of things are missing.
There are no houses, hotels, restaurants, gas stations, banks, shops, traffic lights or billboards. Just miles of tree-lined hills. Finally, there is a sign for the ski area, a parking lot and a lodge.
And that’s about it. Carved into a peak in the White Mountain National Forest 76 years ago, Wildcat is a ski area in a preserve. If not for the fast lifts and snowmaking guns, you could say it is a ski area in a time capsule.
“We don’t have a lot of people looking for cell service or a Wi-Fi connection,” said Tom Caughey, Wildcat’s general manager, who first worked at the resort as a teenager. “People come here, put their boots on and go skiing on trails hand-cut by the Civilian Conservation Corps with an understanding for the natural flow of the mountain.
“And our busiest day is a crowd equal to the slowest day at other mountains.”
A ski trip to the White Mountains of northern New Hampshire can be many things, including sophisticated dining and elegant lodging in a quintessential New England village down the road. The region also has outlet shopping, festivals and art shows.
But a journey to the soul of New Hampshire skiing means visiting its oldest and most iconic mountains, places like Wildcat, the first Eastern ski area on federal Forest Service land, or the nearby state-owned Cannon Mountain in Franconia, which in 1967 hosted the first World Cup ski races in North America.
These areas have served up three-quarters of a century of American skiing and don’t bend toward trends. They are idiosyncratic, even anomalous, places, so far from the industry bustle that you can ski 100,000 vertical feet in a single day.
They are big, tough mountains. They have enough soft edges to have trained hundreds of thousands of children to ski and ride, but they reflect New Hampshire customs and a New Hampshire ethos. People outside Northern New England always think of Vermont and New Hampshire as one place, like sibling states. On a map, they look similar — inverted images of one another, like interlocking bookends.
In truth, as anyone from either state will tell you, they could not be more different. And that’s instantly recognizable when you cross the border between the states, the Connecticut River. Consider it the Checkpoint Charlie of Northern New England.
Heading west into Vermont, the landscape turns from industrial to rural. Heading east into New Hampshire, the politics turn from environmentally and fiscally liberal to determinedly conservative and frugal.
These cultural realities are important to enjoying a winter trip to northern New Hampshire. While Vermont skiing can be like a soft-focus Christmas card scene, New Hampshire’s best mountains are rugged and a bit thorny. They are unadorned and practical.
But they pack a thrilling and thorough alpine adventure. Wildcat and Cannon, for example, have long been known for their steep and expert trails, and there’s little question that any intermediate or better skier or rider should venture to both mountains to test their skills. They won’t baby you, and they are full of not-so-secret backcountry stashes when you tire of the sanctioned trails.
Still, challenge is not the entire reason to see these historic ski areas at least once. The no-nonsense New Hampshire approach also means ski areas left in a natural setting. The view from the 4,062-foot summit of Wildcat Mountain, an eye-level vista of Mount Washington and Tuckerman’s Ravine, is consistently voted among the most scenic in all North American ski resorts by readers of Ski magazine. There is also no on-site lodging at either Wildcat or Cannon, which gives both places a parklike landscape.
While these mountains will not baby you, they need not intimidate. As with nearly any mountain, most of the terrain is rated for beginners and intermediates.
“We’re not an extreme skiing area,” Mr. Caughey said.
In fact, Wildcat’s best trail might be Lynx, a blue square intermediate. It rolls, winds and plunges 2,100 feet from top to bottom.
Cannon, meanwhile, takes pride in being a vacation from the resort experience, and has verifiable contrarian roots: It was home mountain of the champion skier Bode Miller, who skied to his own drummer. Cannon is also where the sight of dogs walking through the lodge doesn’t turn a head. It’s where a junior racer waited in a lift line next to his grandfather, who was dressed in a full-length, zipped, tan Carhartt work suit. It’s where the lodge has a brown-bag basement, but in fact, people all over the lodge are unwrapping sandwiches made at home.
Just as there are no fashion police at Cannon, there is no one discouraging the cost-effective brown-bagging tradition, something prohibited at many ski resorts. Cannon’s general manager, John DeVivo, admits that his children brown-bag it, too.
“We preach value and a mountain in its natural state,” Mr. DeVivo said. “You can’t force people to do something in that setting. Half of our product is the snow and trails — what you’re skiing and riding on. The other half of our product is invisible. It’s what you don’t see — you don’t see a McDonald’s or a holistic health spa.”
You also won’t see many New Yorkers at Cannon and Wildcat. The northern New Hampshire skiing populace is a mix of in-staters, those few who have wandered over from Maine or ventured up from Rhode Island, and lots of people from eastern Massachusetts.
If you make your base the beautiful village of Jackson, you are 10 minutes from Wildcat and about an hour from Cannon. Ski areas like Attitash and Bretton Woods are also nearby, down winding roads dotted with private ski clubhouses and roadhouse bars with signs welcoming “skiers, small fries and motorcycles.”
Just two miles out of Jackson is Black Mountain, a small, hidden jewel. At Black, you can park within 50 yards of the lodge, won’t be fighting lift lines and your descent will be unhurried and undisturbed. Like a lot of New Hampshire skiing, it’s an informal small-mountain experience in a big-mountain setting.
These aren’t classic destination resorts, the all-inclusive ski areas with slopeside hotels and amenities. But there is a natural, straightforward and plainspoken appeal. And there’s nothing wrong with doing your skiing on the mountain, then spending the rest of your day in a thriving, old New England village.
In Jackson, there are art galleries, antiques shops, a large ski touring center, stores and restaurants. For lodging right in the heart of everything, the elegant Wentworth Inn, a village fixture since the mid-19th century, has an Old World feel. And its dining room has imaginative and artfully prepared entrees like Gulf of Maine lobster and Vermont goat cheese cannelloni (in New Hampshire they don’t mind borrowing from their neighbors), with baby greens, leeks, tomato confit and a white wine reduction ($28).
The drive to the White Mountains of New Hampshire might be a little farther than some people want to go, and it might be a little less scenic — until the final stage. But once inside the national forest, it’s about the pristine landscape. As you drive through the quiet of the mountains, it is then that you realize nothing is missing. |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 4:31 PM Author: Beady-eyed New Version welp, glad I got all my skiing in before the prices went up.
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Date: January 6th, 2020 4:44 PM Author: mentally impaired mad-dog skullcap it's gotten annoyingly expensive. A day pass at a shitty mountain like Mountain Creek is now $80. Any decent New England mountain and it's like $120 and more if you go out west. Plus all the gear and overpriced chicken fingers, and it just becomes not worth it especially for people with lots of kids. I used to love snowboarding but it just feels too expensive now and more of a hassle than it's worth. |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 6:47 PM Author: fiercely-loyal plaza (Dupa forcing twins in 8 years to take turns sharing a lift ticket)
You’re right though even shitty mountains are expensive. We go to mountain high which is closest place and window rate is $89 ($80 discounted if you buy in advance). Group lessons for kids are $160. But it’s still 50% cheaper than any real resort so better for kids to learn there than at mammoth or even big bear. |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 7:10 PM Author: mentally impaired mad-dog skullcap I'm thinking of taking my 5.5 year old to learn this year. Is that the right age? I feel like my 4 year old is too young still. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39389077) |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 7:17 PM Author: ruddy bawdyhouse french chef As soon as they can walk they can ski. The earlier the better (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39389111) |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 7:24 PM Author: fiercely-loyal plaza 5 is the right age. 4 is a little young if they don’t show the interest but younger sibling may be motivated seeing older one do it. Kids who do it very young (2-3) generally live right by a slope such that their parents can take them all the time. At 3-4, they still have trouble maintaining the pizza and you can get an edge wedge on amazon to help out.
I made the mistake of doing swim lessons at 3 and after lots of money and tears, he’s finally kind of swimming like 10 feet. Could’ve spared everybody by just starting at 4 and getting to the same level faster and cheaper. |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 8:16 PM Author: mentally impaired mad-dog skullcap Ty. Yeah we started my daughter with swim at 4 and she really took to it. Encouraged by her success we signed my son up at 3 and it was a disaster. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39389457) |
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Date: January 7th, 2020 12:37 AM Author: Flesh harsh dingle berry yarmulke There is no "right age" unless you're desperately trying to turn them into a ski racer.
Genetics and natural athleticism play a huge role in how quickly kids are able to learn to ski.
But for the average child with crap genes, they'll lack the balance and strength to even form a pizza properly and learn all sorts of really bad habits that will literally take years to undo. The biggest thing that keeps intermediate skiers from progressing is their utter inability to use their inside ski edge, thus forming perpetual a-frames that limits their ability to carve on steep or icy terrain. This is because of the overemphasis on learning from the "pizza" at an early age, which emphasizes exclusively the use of only the outside leg. And then it will take at least 2-3 years of concerted effort to retrain them to ski using their inside leg.
Thus the goal is to minimize the pizza phase for kids as much as possible and get onto parallel quickly so they don't learn the bad habits, and quickly adapt to using both legs instead of just the outer leg. But most kids are too weak and clumsy so they spend months if not entire seasons on pizza which is counterproductive. And young kids who can't pick things up naturally are also too young to really understand the specific instructions given by the adults/instructor so you end up with kids learning bad habits. It's just a terrible cycle that could have been avoided if you simply waited until they were 7 or 8 to teach them to ski.
The whole mantra of "earlier the better" for kids' activities is only true if your kid is like in the 99th percentile of natural talent and you need every advantage to turn them into a world class talent, or at least good enough to get a scholarship to college. For the rest, it's just misery and will do more harm than good. |
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Date: January 7th, 2020 10:02 AM Author: mentally impaired mad-dog skullcap I think you are probably wrong about this one. if kids are anything, they are adaptable. i'd think that if you get a kid out on the slopes at age 5 instead of 7, the chances that the kid develops debilitating bad habits is probably zero especially if the plan is to do a decent amount of skiing each season.
I don't think there is a particular advantage to a kid learning to ski at 5 instead of 7 aside from the joy of learning a new fun activity, but the idea that it is harmful seems a little silly. |
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Date: January 8th, 2020 12:54 AM Author: Flesh harsh dingle berry yarmulke It's not silly - there is a reason why you see so many teenagers and adults who have good balance and clearly are competent skiers, but skiing with massive a-frames and they struggle massively on bumps, ice, steeps and moguls, despite having skied for years.
The biomechanics of most run of the mill ski instruction relies on beginning all skiers on the snowplough, and learning to turn through the use of pivoting and weighting the outside leg. They then move on to some variation of a stem-Christie turn, which was developed in like the 1960s when skis were long and not shaped.
With so much emphasis on learning to turn using the outside leg, the inside leg just kid of sits there unused other than as a balancing device, when in fact the inside leg is what should be used to initiate the turn in the first place. In other words, the way you should be skiing is completely the exact opposite of how you spend your formative years learning.
This is a commonly known problem among the ski instructor and racing crowd by the way:
https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=84851
https://www.quora.com/If-parallel-skiing-is-a-goal-why-waste-time-on-skiing-snowplough
As you can see, most people are talking about getting away from the snowplough as quickly as possible, but this requires balance and strength. Most young kids (5 or younger) lack the balance and strength so they linger on snowplough far too long. So then once they get older and strong enough, they have to spend literally years practicing initiating turns using the inside ski, which requires an entirely different transition and biomechanics than a traditional outside-ski dominated transition.
Disclaimer: I am in the Harold Harb school of thought so my views obviously go against whatever the Professional Ski Instruction Association is teaching or licensing. |
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Date: January 7th, 2020 10:25 AM Author: Slippery Roast Beef You're on XO. I'm 99.999th percentile athletic and my wife is 99th. I think our kid will be jumping 30 foot cliffs by age 5. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39391952) |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 7:28 PM Author: Arrogant ticket booth corn cake season passes for kids are like a few hundred bucks. plenty of mountains charge literally nothing for kids under 5 also (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39389170) |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 8:15 PM Author: Lascivious mewling giraffe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39389456) |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 8:17 PM Author: mentally impaired mad-dog skullcap Yeah free lift ticket but $200 for the day at ski school. Alternatively you can have a great day on the slopes shredding with your 3 year old. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39389468) |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 4:46 PM Author: walnut cruel-hearted newt thought this would be a climate change thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39388389) |
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Date: January 6th, 2020 8:20 PM Author: trip senate saw this for days; thought it would be a climate change thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39389492) |
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Date: January 7th, 2020 12:27 AM Author: talented startled karate set DUE TO GLOBAL WARMING (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39390889) |
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Date: January 7th, 2020 12:28 AM Author: zombie-like dilemma i miss skiing i stopped going around age 12 because of middle school basketball |
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Date: January 7th, 2020 12:56 AM Author: Lascivious mewling giraffe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39391012) |
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Date: January 7th, 2020 12:37 AM Author: aphrodisiac potus hunting ground ITT: stuffwhitepeoplelike (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39390931) |
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Date: January 7th, 2020 12:41 AM Author: Flesh harsh dingle berry yarmulke Dude you realize Koreans love skiing too right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39390952) |
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Date: January 7th, 2020 9:03 AM Author: Supple maroon clown meetinghouse yes its mostly asians on the slopes nowadays (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#39391624) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2023 11:58 PM Author: aphrodisiac potus hunting ground (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4185699&forum_id=2#46703407) |