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Date: June 30th, 2009 2:25 AM Author: bateful coffee pot how many markets are you going to hit? how many bids per market? any double-office bids? worried that avg # interviews will be lower given that most firms are only interviewing one day? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12121801) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 3:10 AM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug 2 2/3 to 1, 1/3 to other a couple yes |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 3:31 AM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122091) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 3:40 AM Author: Jet-lagged Home Personal Credit Line 20 min apiece (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122118) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:07 AM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122152) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 3:12 AM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug firms bring more than 1 person (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12140030) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 3:14 AM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12140038) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:56 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug i don't know, but i know that many firms do over 50 interviews in 1 day (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12142275) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 4:41 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12143046) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:58 AM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug sup dood. are we FRIENDS/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122615) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 12:39 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12123825) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 12:56 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug why not :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12123933) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 1:19 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12124071) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 1:20 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug yes. unless you're abcd, that section's weird. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12124077) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 1:24 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12124106) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 1:28 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug will you tell me what big section you are in (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12124133) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 1:33 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12124176) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 1:37 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug But you have no friends. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12124212) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 1:39 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12124222) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 1:43 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug I will be your FRIEND. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12124250) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 2:28 AM Author: Magical Beta School Cafeteria thats fucked up dood. why the hate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12130748) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 10:12 AM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug its not real hate, dood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12140551) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 3:43 AM Author: Magical Beta School Cafeteria 1
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:19 AM Author: frum awkward abode headpube I heard you guys have detailed GPA #s for all the firms. Can you post them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122160) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:33 AM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122171) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:36 AM Author: frum awkward abode headpube Any Dallas firms would be helpful! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122174) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:46 AM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122187) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:47 AM Author: frum awkward abode headpube 3.0 at NYU. That is not too comforting in general, and especially ITE
EDIT: REALLY appreciate the help. I better get set for dings at these firms and hope for NY. Maybe Stroock will take a shot on me |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:50 AM Author: frum awkward abode headpube I understand if you don't feel comfortable, but would you email me your list? I would feel much more comfortable if our school would give us something like this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122196) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:55 AM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122206) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:56 AM Author: frum awkward abode headpube I mean like the entire list. I did TX and NY. We have 50 bids so I didn't want to ask you to list ALL of them. But I totally get it if it's supposed to be super secret. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122207) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 5:04 AM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122226) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 5:08 AM Author: frum awkward abode headpube No problem. Thanks for the info you shared. Good luck d00d (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122237) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 1:18 PM Author: diverse forum lol@winstead. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12124062) |
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Date: July 16th, 2009 12:43 PM Author: jet institution multi-billionaire lol 2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12261238) |
Date: June 30th, 2009 3:47 AM Author: Magical Beta School Cafeteria how worthless do you think the GPAs ocs gave us are for figuring chances with firms ITE? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122137) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:13 AM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122159) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:21 AM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122162) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:29 AM Author: bateful coffee pot is boston your preferred market?
I've got a similar situation. I'm using just over half of my bids on my home market and have remaining bids I want to use. So I'm going with NY/DC as my backup, but problem is that they are major markets and I'm thinking my bids will be wasted since they are for popular/top firms. Haven't talked to OCS yet. |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:31 AM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122170) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:37 AM Author: frum awkward abode headpube Median? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122176) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:47 AM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122189) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:52 AM Author: frum awkward abode headpube It's cool. I'm 3.0 on 3.3 curve. I have talked to another sub 3.0 MVP guy and Columbia guy. We are thinking of starting a firm and it will be super prestigious. We will point and laugh at UT/UCLA types (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122199) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:53 AM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122202) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:58 AM Author: frum awkward abode headpube You sound like a great fit for our prestigious firm. We are DEDICATED to getting people from all the t14 with 3.0 or less. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122211) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 5:01 AM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State to be truly prestigious you must require LSAT score on resume. Better yet, in lieu of transcript, ask for LSAT score report. |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 5:02 AM Author: frum awkward abode headpube I think that's an AWESOME idea! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122222) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:54 AM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122204) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:40 AM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122177) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:46 AM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State Thats my intuition as well. (Although I do think you should cut out one of your two markets). I just dont know whether OCS is talking out of their ass, or they know something we dont know. |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:51 AM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122197) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:50 AM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State also--smaller firms = smaller classes. ITE, they might be able to fill their class of 9 with solid GPAers. I dont know if the ITE increase in selectivity will cause firms to be choosier with GPA or personality/fit. |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:53 AM Author: At-the-ready claret jewess Regarding the "low" gpa for the firms: do you guys think it means that anyone who meets the "low" will be in contention, or are the "low" gpa people almost always URMS or have connections? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122201) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:54 AM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State It beats bidding on firms where LOW is higher than mine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122203) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:56 AM Author: At-the-ready claret jewess I'm kinda curious because my GPA is just high enough to meet the "low" for most firms, but way below the median. Wondering if that means I'm fucked at all these places or whether I'm in the ballpark and can get a callback if I don't mess up the interview. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122209) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:59 AM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State high enough to meet low, but below median for most firms = 3.2-3.3 range? Better safe than sorry. If you do your DD, though, I'd imagine that you could definitely cull your list down to 30. I'm having a problem coming up with 30 firms where it wouldn't be a blatantly wasted bid. |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 5:02 AM Author: At-the-ready claret jewess no, i'm somewhere between 2.9 and 3.0, but that seems to be just above the "low" for many NY firms. though obviously, waaay below median.
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Date: June 30th, 2009 5:04 AM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122224) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:59 AM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122212) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 5:02 AM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State Right, somebody always has to be "the one". Im sure that the "low" that is currently listed was one of those mavericks who looked at the info and said, fuck it.
If you have the balls, kudos to you. My debts outweigh my balls. |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 5:05 AM Author: Magical Beta School Cafeteria Question: What's the deal with uploading resumes and updating with journals? If you got onto a journal and think you are going to do that one, should you put it on, and then update it if you get LR? i didnt understand the ocs email today. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122228) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 5:05 AM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State My understanding is that if you have extenuating circumstances, they will allow updating until noon July 17. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122229) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 5:10 AM Author: Magical Beta School Cafeteria yeah i just reread, i guess if you are admitted to a journal after 7/6 they'll let you upload the amendment (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122239) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 5:15 AM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122245) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 5:18 AM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122248) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 5:22 AM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122254) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 5:25 AM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122260) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 5:28 AM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122267) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:58 AM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug i was pretty sure it was MTTLR? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12122612) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 12:39 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12123827) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 1:29 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12124141) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 1:31 PM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State ?? what rankings? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12124161) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 1:36 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12124203) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 1:56 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug hadn't heard the poor management thing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12124377) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 8:12 PM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State IIRC, they didn't even have a cite-check component, no? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12127586) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 12:20 AM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug Fuk no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12129546) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 8:12 PM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State ranked? by who? by what metric? how do the others rank? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12127576) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 8:15 PM Author: emerald lascivious national http://lawlib.wlu.edu/LJ/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12127615) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 8:22 PM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State Awesome, thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12127667) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:36 AM Author: charcoal drunken dog poop What's the deal with UM strongly recommending that we keep our GPAs off our OCI resume?
Based on my GPA, I estimate that I'm top 25%ish (if not higher), and in light of my failure to get on any journals, it seems to me that it might be a good idea to have on there. Why does Career Services seem to discourage that? |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 11:56 AM Author: pink soggy base You're not going to get any interviews based on your GPA, and the employers are going to have your transcript anyway, so what would be the point of putting it on there? You'll just look like a douche. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12123590) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 11:57 AM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12123593) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 12:02 PM Author: pink soggy base 2 - NYC/Chi or NYC/La 20 NYC - 10 Chi/LA No Yes
And for those going by the low GPA #, my career services officer told me that those are almost always URMs.
If you're sub 3.0 ITE and not an URM, you're pretty much screwed for OCI. Mass-mailing will be important. |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 12:36 PM Author: Opaque vivacious community account Man, I am doing almost a majority of multi-office bids, didn't realize that would be so rare. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12123803) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 12:40 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12123830) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 12:48 PM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State Is this rare? Not recommended? Prior to my talk with OCS, which advised me to bid home, I was bidding on NY and DC. And all the firms that were interviewing for NY and DC, I was just planning on signing up for both, you know? Even like Cadwalader, which hasn't hired a single person in DC from Mich in the last 8 yrs |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 12:57 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug does a multi-office bid take 2 bid slots?
if i bid on say, thacher's nyc and DC office, is that 2 bids or 1 if it's only one entity in Symplicity? |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 1:00 PM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State Was under impression it was latter Figured it was an easy way to stretch 30 bids into interviewing at 45 offices, even if some of thes eoffices had no track record of hiring anyone, let along hiring anyone with this GPA. |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 1:07 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug i will interview at latham nyc for the lulz, in that case (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12124004) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 1:07 PM Author: Opaque vivacious community account It's definitely one slot (and one interview).
But the reason not to bid on all 27 Jones Day offices is fear of seeming too uncommitted. |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 1:10 PM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State But what if i'm doing just NY and DC, which are my 2 markets anyways. Still no good? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12124023) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 1:12 PM Author: Opaque vivacious community account Well, I'm doing it, so obviously I don't think that. But it seems like most people in the thread aren't doing much, so maybe they know better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12124034) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 1:14 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug i will probably do...3 or 4 if they are 1 bid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12124045) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 1:14 PM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12124048) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 2:14 PM Author: pink soggy base It can also mean that they didn't turn in the info. It doesn't mean there were no offers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12124533) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 2:24 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12124623) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 1:14 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12124044) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 1:17 PM Author: Opaque vivacious community account 2 markets, 20-25 firms in one, 15-20 in the other. Multi-office wherever there are offices in both. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12124060) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 1:17 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12124058) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 1:18 PM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State NY and DC of the single offices, 2/3 NY, 1/3 DC i was planning on hitting ALL the double office interviews, although the discussion above makes me rethink that decision and yes. |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 1:20 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12124081) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 1:22 PM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12124092) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 1:29 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug indeed, every student must have a plan "B" for OCI (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12124146) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 1:55 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug whereare your #s (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12124370) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 2:25 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12124630) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 3:24 PM Author: Appetizing plaza 2 mkts - Chicago and secondary 15-20 Chi, 5 or so other couple # of interviews is major concern
Hard to find more Chi firms, and consultant wasn't sure I'd need to. Seems risky though, and OCS would shoot me. |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 3:30 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug consultants are way less conservative than ocs. ocs is pissy at me for not bidding 30 in one market. like i want to work at greenberg traurig chicago (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12125247) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 3:54 PM Author: Appetizing plaza I hate OCS. In so many instances they're being completely ridiculous, leaving the students to separate out what is solid advice and what is alarmist BS. It'd be nice to have a resource we could trust.
EDIT: Though to be fair, I've found them more reasonable one-on-one. |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:11 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12125575) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 4:22 PM Author: Appetizing plaza I've heard a couple of people with logical reasons for a three-market strategy. Isn't the OCS line that employers will perceive you as uncommitted? If they're not multiple office bids, how do they know? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12125659) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 5:13 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12126007) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 6:47 PM Author: Opaque vivacious community account Do we need some kind of letters of recommendation or list of references ready for OCI? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12126791) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 8:27 PM Author: emerald lascivious national don't think OCI firms at any school ask for this, do they? it's the upside of being reduced to the sum of ur grades. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12127708) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 8:31 PM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12127745) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 8:38 PM Author: racy smoky kitchen juggernaut All DC firms (throwing out some non-oci apps to CA and another small markets).
GPA is 3.8-3.9. I'm bidding on the top 30 firms in DC in order of prestige (W&C 1, Cov 2...), stupid idea? |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:03 PM Author: Magical Beta School Cafeteria I'm shooting for NYC and am too scared to do this. My GPA is lower (3.6-3.7) but I'm planning on mixing in a bunch of the crappier NY firms. I think my GPA is above most of the medians, but I'm afraid they are all going to be much more selective this year. With a 3.8-9, I don't think your strategy is stupid though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12127953) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 3:54 PM Author: lime exhilarant place of business athletic conference my gpa is about the same, pretty uniform grades.
glad i don't have any B- or B bombs, but would sure like more As or an A+ to wow the interviewers.
are your grades uniform or varied? got any B- bombs? A+ bombs?
nyc here as well.
i'm doing mostly that strategy but not the most prestigious - sullcrom and cravath i'm kind of ignoring...
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Date: July 1st, 2009 4:16 PM Author: diverse forum Would you rather have an A+ and a B or an A and a B+? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12134068) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 3:44 AM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12140135) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:19 PM Author: flushed arrogant ratface set Why only D.C.? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12128089) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 12:16 AM Author: racy smoky kitchen juggernaut don't have a ton of connections to dc, so by only bidding on dc firms i'm showing a commitment. i'm not sure how much i believe this but career services seems to think it will help and i don't feel like taking any chances. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12129516) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 9:57 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12128389) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 12:18 AM Author: racy smoky kitchen juggernaut lowest ranking are firms like cooley, orrick, venable, howrey, kl gates, etc. top 10 are firms such as w&c, cov, a&p, h&h, wilmerhale, gdc, kirkland, sidley. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12129535) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 10:06 PM Author: Opaque vivacious community account I'm not quite sure why you value prestige over layoffs, practice area, culture, hours, bonuses, fit, etc. but I don't think you're aiming too high - 30 deep in any market is reaching some pretty unselective firms, and DC is surviving the best of anybody. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12128452) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 10:17 PM Author: Magical Beta School Cafeteria I'm kinda dumb, but how is everyone else factoring past layoffs into who they bid for? Are people avoiding firms that have had massive layoffs, or are they thinking house is cleaned now and whoever they hire will be fairly safe since the firm size has already been taken down to a more sustainable size? Are there specific firms people are avoiding b/c of layoffs? Also, does deferred start dates mean they probably wont be hiring this year? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12128534) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 12:21 AM Author: racy smoky kitchen juggernaut i've thought about this too. seems like firms like latham and orrick can't possibly lay off more associates. but then again, they could dissolve too. i think all firms are going to drastically reduce hiring but those that get offers from oci this year should be in good shape in terms of getting a permanent offer in 2010. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12129551) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 12:14 AM Author: racy smoky kitchen juggernaut prestige to me equals no layoffs, bonuses, practice areas. there's a reason williams & connolly is the most prestigious firm in dc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12129507) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 11:44 PM Author: Wonderful hospital Interviewing for multiple offices doesn't count as multiple bids? Are you sure? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12129313) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 12:03 AM Author: Anal stage kitty As long as it's one of the multioffice bids, it's just one.
FYI though you'll generally end up only interviewing with someone from the office you put #1. |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 3:59 PM Author: Hairraiser sooty new version location 3.61, HYP undergrad, onto a secondary journal, waiting for LR so i can rock out at Munger and go back home to the West Coast... i freakin' hate this arctic wasteland. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12133869) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 10:05 PM Author: Idiotic rambunctious legend ticket booth GL dood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12137241) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 9:20 PM Author: Painfully honest blue potus using all bids on chicago offices. dumb? shrewd? i'm pretty set on it, and don't think i can even feign interest in other markets. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12136852) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 9:30 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug gpa? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12136942) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 9:48 PM Author: Painfully honest blue potus 3.43 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12137087) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 9:56 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug i'm only a bit above you and i couldn't bear to bid on some of those firms in chicago. some are .3 below you as of last year. some pay 145k. some have "deferred indefinitely." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12137164) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 9:57 PM Author: Painfully honest blue potus so just random firms in new york or what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12137172) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 10:00 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug i'm also quite favorably inclined to work in NYC.
i picked 18 chicago firms (and some of these are even trash) and 12 NYC firms. they weren't random. |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 9:42 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12137033) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 9:40 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12137020) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 9:42 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug this is also my worry. i plan on putting at least one high. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12137031) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 9:48 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12137080) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 9:55 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug median gpa >= your gpa+.1 yes, definitely a reach.
my current top 5 is a no data (but easier target from what i see on other school's charts) and 4 targets (+ or - .05, mostly -) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 10:01 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12137207) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 9:47 PM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State at a certain point
having a good shot at a shitty job > having a shitty shot at a good job
I'd love to interview at Debevoise, my mommy says they'll love me because i'm such a great guy, but there's no way in hell that's appearing anywhere in my top 15. |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 9:55 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug gpa? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12137154) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 9:57 PM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State 2.9 everything is a reach going by LOWs. if they haven't hired anyone with a 2.9 in the last 8 years, they ain't starting now. |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 9:58 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug right. my situation with debevoise-like firms is moar complicated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12137182) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 10:00 PM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State (perceived) chance of landing job x your desire for job = bid value rank accordingly? |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 9:59 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12137188) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 10:02 PM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State well, the truth also is that i can't really come up with more than 20 firms where i feel i might have a flying spaghetti's chance in hell. so 1-20 are firms that i think i might have a chance 21-30 are "wasted bids"--but then again, unless i'm expanding to a third market, i can only have wasted bids. |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 10:03 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug 2.9's rough dood. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12137228) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 10:05 PM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State Yeah dude. I've never been a high achiever--I don't know why I thought I would suddenly change in my mid-20s.
it's still higher than my frosh/soph GPA in college |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 9:57 PM Author: Opaque vivacious community account My 7 most selective are all in my top 11, just because it seems like higher bids will be needed to even get an interview. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12137173) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 9:59 PM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State You don't think ITE will scare other bidders away? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12137191) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 10:01 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug cravath got 60-odd #1 bids last year.
you're basically betting NONE of the people who would do that are going to because of ITE, if you rank them down in the teens or 20s |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 10:03 PM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State hmmm, true. must change bid strategy. btw, do you mind sharing the aforementioned GPA chart from other schools? |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 12:01 AM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug section? :p (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12138560) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 12:43 AM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12139025) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 12:44 AM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug o thats so much effort
do you know who i am |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 12:51 AM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State no clue haha section? im in the alleged gunner section |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 12:53 AM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug ijkl? sry dood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12139147) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 12:55 AM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State every fucking gunner here
how is IJKL a gunner section? i was under the impression that they were the most "chill". i used to wish i was IJKL.
and you? |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 12:55 AM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug efgh has the acronym, ijkl allegedly has the reality.
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 12:58 AM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State granted, I didn't go out much, so my interaction with IJKLers have been limited, but they seemed to be a much less gunnerish bunch than EFGH, which not only has gunners, but also a fair share of actually smart people who were silent but deadly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12139184) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 1:00 AM Author: Opaque vivacious community account Not a single person in IJKL stands out as someone I would expect to have top grades. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12139197) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 1:03 AM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12139216) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 1:04 AM Author: Opaque vivacious community account Not really, I expect there are some smart people who are quiet, but there aren't a lot of loud know-it-alls. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12139228) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 1:06 AM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State gunner, by definition, is a sort of a person who's not all that smart, no? and more often than not does not have top grades (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12139245) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 1:09 AM Author: Opaque vivacious community account Yeah, maybe, but I think EFGH prides itself on being successful gunners. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12139266) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 1:22 AM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12139331) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 1:23 AM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug except you, natch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12139343) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 1:27 AM Author: Opaque vivacious community account I doubt I would, I don't offer any brilliancies in class. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12139380) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 1:51 AM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug o. i have no idea if you do or not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12139550) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 3:49 AM Author: Jet-lagged Home Personal Credit Line i haven't heard you say anything retarded, which places you 'moar brilliant' then at least 90% of the section. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12140147) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 3:47 AM Author: Jet-lagged Home Personal Credit Line it's hard to get a feel for your classmates when you don't socially interact with anybody. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12140142) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 12:30 PM Author: Opaque vivacious community account I meant more what one could discern just from class. Hollywood assured me that from the first day one would be able to tell the top students (or those doomed to a hilarious comeuppance) merely from the quality of their repartee. If you can't trust the movies, what can you trust?
Actually, the two guys I know who got the best grades both complained/bragged about how much work they were doing. One even said that he felt anxious and unhappy if he had any free time. That's not to say I really anticipated their success beforehand, since I tend to doubt the marginal efficacy of grinding. However, even if there's no strong causation effect of that level of diligence, I probably should have realized there'd be a correlation. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 12:39 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12141398) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 10:08 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12137256) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 10:10 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug enough to rank them down at 15 or so after your 15 safeties/targets that ocs recommends? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12137270) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 10:19 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12137377) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 10:23 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12137407) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 10:14 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12137313) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 10:24 PM Author: Opaque vivacious community account Yeah, I am judging selectivity essentially by the posted GPA medians.
I didn't determine the necessity of high bidding by that (if anything, high GPA should scare some people away), but there's a big overlap between selectivity and expected bid competition (mostly to do with Vault rankings/prestige, layoffs, firm stability, number of offices and class size), so that's how it worked out. |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 10:45 PM Author: Appetizing plaza I did this too. Do you think the top firms will get that much more selective on GPA ITE? I'm right at the GPA for the highest Chi firms, and I kinda feel like I have a better shot at some of them than the firms with small offices.
How did you guys factor in size of summer class? |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 10:53 PM Author: Opaque vivacious community account Size of summer class was pretty much my strongest factor in ranking. I figure more people will bid on it just because it has a bigger profile and more people will bid on it because they think they have a better chance with a bigger class size, not to mention I personally want to get the interview more. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12137794) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 11:09 PM Author: Appetizing plaza I did the same, thinking largely along the same lines. Did you send yours to OCS? And if so, did they seem to accept this rationale or did they just see selective firms at the top and hate it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12137999) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 11:49 PM Author: Opaque vivacious community account I sent them a resume and my bids for review.
They returned the resume with some random lines crossed out, but no comments, explanations or replacements.
They made no comments on my bids and suggested I should schedule a phone appointment. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 1:50 AM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12139541) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 3:50 AM Author: Jet-lagged Home Personal Credit Line There were comments and suggestions on mine when I opened the word doc, but they just showed up as crossed-out lines when viewed as HTML through the email client browser. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12140148) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 12:33 PM Author: Opaque vivacious community account Ah, good catch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12141340) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 9:55 PM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12137158) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 10:02 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12137220) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 10:03 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug yes, they're backed up like 3-5 days (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12137224) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 10:04 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug anyone wonder how many of our FRIENDS are poasting ITT without knowing who they are (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12137232) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 10:06 PM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12137244) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 10:08 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug "Class of '11 XO POASTERS"
great idea |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:08 AM Author: pink soggy base I know who most of you are. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12139669) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:15 AM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12139705) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:31 AM Author: pink soggy base Not really that hard to figure out dood. Some people out themselves easily. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12139766) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:33 AM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12139775) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:47 AM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug lets trade xo poster identies plz (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12139862) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 7:23 PM Author: pink soggy base let's do it dood. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12144017) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 4:37 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug k email me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12151084) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 1:08 AM Author: charismatic aggressive brunch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12139253) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:04 AM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug i'd probably be willing to look a few up...what school are you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12139640) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:59 AM Author: charismatic aggressive brunch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12139953) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 3:11 AM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug cleary mean 3.64 median 3.67 covington mean 3.7 median 3.7 deb mean 3.57 median 3.58 dpw mean and median 3.67 pw mean 3.48 median 3.5
tell me when you got it, gonna yank these |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 10:52 AM Author: charismatic aggressive brunch Thanks a ton dude, got it. GL with OCI. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12140726) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 3:04 AM Author: bateful coffee pot its hilarious that OCS disabled the PRINT option on the pdf document (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12139983) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 3:08 AM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12140006) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 3:11 AM Author: bateful coffee pot srsly, i also like how OCS pulled a fast one with the 2009 data format. the old datasheet by markets was much more helpful (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12140026) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 3:22 AM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12140067) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 3:30 AM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug its still up, change "8" to "7" in the link (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12140091) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 7:29 PM Author: pink soggy base Is no one interested in LA? I'm not the biggest fan of the city, but the firms there seem less selective than even New York. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12144060) |
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Date: July 4th, 2009 5:36 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12157147) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 4:34 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug i want mlr decisions (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12151066) |
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Date: July 4th, 2009 5:54 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12157274) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 1:12 PM Author: racy smoky kitchen juggernaut Yeah, my grades aren't going to get me on (A, A, A, A, B+, B+) but maybe the magic formula of grades/write-on will get me on. I guess my writing sample wasn't complete crap though as I got on Law Reform. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12161784) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 2:43 PM Author: Bespoke Autistic Sneaky Criminal Cruise Ship First of all, those grades might be good enough for you to get on in the "grade-on" section. And if you used your MLR note for MJLR, you're probably in great shape; I remember on of the MJLR staff encouraging people not to use their MLR notes because those are typically worse than the LP papers since they're not edited. So it sounds like you're golden. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12162299) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 3:48 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12162735) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 3:51 PM Author: Bespoke Autistic Sneaky Criminal Cruise Ship Me either, but most people's aren't, so I'm not going to get too hung up about it. If you don't make it on, are you going to try to write a "publishable note" and get on MLR 3rd year? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12162751) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 4:01 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12162841) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 4:01 PM Author: Bespoke Autistic Sneaky Criminal Cruise Ship Wait, does that mean you didn't apply to any secondary journals? Bold move. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12162848) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 4:08 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12162902) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 4:09 PM Author: Bespoke Autistic Sneaky Criminal Cruise Ship I think that was a smart move, actually. I spread myself too thin trying to cover all my bases with secondaries + MLR. You probably put together a much better app w/o the burnout. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12162917) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 4:12 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12162952) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 3:02 PM Author: flushed arrogant ratface set Mich people, can you please tell me the GPA data for Gibson Dunn SF, NY and DC? And Kirkland for SF, NY and DC? Tyia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12162452) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 3:08 PM Author: pink soggy base How does this help you if you don't go to Michigan? I don't understand this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12162511) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 3:09 PM Author: flushed arrogant ratface set I'm at a peer school and it'll give me an idea of how deep in the class they go. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12162513) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 3:10 PM Author: Bespoke Autistic Sneaky Criminal Cruise Ship Doesn't your peer school offer this kind of information? If not, wow -- I thought OCS sucked, but not giving you guys any data ITE is pretty stupendous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12162518) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 3:15 PM Author: flushed arrogant ratface set No. it fucking sucks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12162542) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 4:23 PM Author: indigo doctorate H gives no grade info, only callback/offer/accept etc. info. They also send panicky emails to students telling them to meet with OCS ASAP. Then none of the career counselors is free for an appointment. What a shithole. |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 3:14 PM Author: pink soggy base We're really not supposed to share the info.
Gibson
NYC - Top 40% DC - Top 25% SF - Top 25%
Kirkland
NYC - Top 33% DC - Top 15 - 20% SF - Top 15 - 20% |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 3:15 PM Author: flushed arrogant ratface set ty ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12162543) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 4:48 PM Author: pink soggy base TBF,
You might mis-read this. The % listed is a conservative guess of what I think the median GPA offer corresponds to on our curve. E.G. The median GPA at Gibson NYC was a 3.34 |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 4:21 PM Author: indigo doctorate ty although this means my shitty Harvard grades will lead to employment at Pryor Cashman |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 4:45 PM Author: pink soggy base ITE, I will take any market paying job I can get. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163204) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 4:55 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163300) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 5:00 PM Author: pink soggy base Chicago consultant told me no later than mid-August. I told him that I was sending them off at the beginning of August, and he said even better. I don't trust OCS to do shit, so I'll do it myself.
How effective do you think mass-mailing is going to be? Maybe more so in the past, but shit, everyone is doing it this year. It doesn't seem like it's going to help that much.
ETA: If you're spending the summer in one of your targeted markets, you can do that shit now. Sent some off 3 weeks ago, and I've got screening interviews already lined up. |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 5:08 PM Author: bateful coffee pot
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Date: July 5th, 2009 8:52 PM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State I don't trust OCS to do shit, either, but it just kinda seems that firms would prefer someone that (1) knows how to follow directions and (2) isn't going to flood their inbox. Plus, if send through OCS, it would be in a pile of resumes marked "From Michigan OCS", while resumes sent directly would be in a pile marked "etc".
I mean I don't really know either, so I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on this. |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 5:43 PM Author: Frisky Dingle Berry Mother goddamn, this thread got long.
rising michigan 3L, LR, summering at v5. taking q's about UM OCI, LR etc (at least to extent generalizations are possible ITE) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 5:45 PM Author: flushed arrogant ratface set What was your GPA 1L year, and 2L year? (or approximate ranges if you're concerned about outing) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163727) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 5:48 PM Author: Frisky Dingle Berry Mother nah i'm not one of these random xoxo racists, i don't really care if i get outted. this is a throwaway account anyway. 3.85 1L, 3.84 2L (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163747) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 5:50 PM Author: flushed arrogant ratface set why'd you go down? i thought the curve got significantly easier in 2L (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163756) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 5:52 PM Author: Frisky Dingle Berry Mother stopped working so hard...also the difference between an A and an A- is often kind of a tossup, unless it's a seminar (which i haven't done), or unless you're clearly a genius (which i'm not). so a 3.85 represents a random tossup of As and A-s (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163773) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 5:54 PM Author: flushed arrogant ratface set do you know anyone with a 4.0+? if so, would you have thought he/she was smart even i fyou didn't know his/her grades? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163783) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 5:57 PM Author: Frisky Dingle Berry Mother i know someone who is rumored to have a 4.1 or thereabouts...i've never had a class with this person, but i'm sure he/she is very smart. wouldn't necessarily know it just from talking to him/her though. but this person is an extremely hard worker. there's always 1-3 ppl every year who graduate summa. pretty amazing accomplishment. though the bullshit thing about summa is since not all classes at UM are graded on an A+ curve, you basically have to either be so smart as to never get an A-, or specifically pick your classes so that you have a chance at an A+ or two (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163794) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 5:55 PM Author: Bespoke Autistic Sneaky Criminal Cruise Ship Since you weren't taking seminars, were you taking those non-1L "1L" courses that 2Ls/3Ls warned were GPA busters? Like Admin, Fed Courts? Because I am hoping to take these classes but not hurt my GPA and it looks like they didn't hurt you...would be good to know. Thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163792) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 6:02 PM Author: Frisky Dingle Berry Mother no, i didn't take any of the gunner classes, mostly just stuff i was interested in. if you're doing a journal, take a couple credits of independent study to write a note. also, i've heard a clinic is a good way to keep your gpa up and actually learn shit. i wouldn't take more than one or two of the hardcore classes each semester. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163819) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 6:15 PM Author: Bespoke Autistic Sneaky Criminal Cruise Ship Thanks. Really appreciate your advice and time to help out. Congrats on doing so well. How are you feeling about getting a permanent offer at your firm? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163892) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 6:19 PM Author: Frisky Dingle Berry Mother np bro, i remember being pretty nervous around this time last year, and ITE it's gotta be worse i imagine. in fact i know it is, because i'm definitely worried about getting a permanent offer, though the firm i'm at hasn't tried to put fear in our hearts about large #s of no-offers like a lot of places have. basically i just keep my head down, work hard, kiss ass, and don't get too drunk at firm events (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163916) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 6:03 PM Author: flushed arrogant ratface set is there a sense among the MLR people that you guys are elite and the others are plebes? And do the lower GPAd MLR people believe they're better than the high GPA people who failed to make MLR? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163825) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 6:06 PM Author: Frisky Dingle Berry Mother well, i guess there's a slight feeling of prestige, but that's largely tempered by all the extra busy-work you end up doing relative to your friends. the way someone described it to me was that being on a journal is like having a credit card. you incur a huge charge during OCI, and spend the next two years paying it off. and people on journal (or anyone else in the school that i know of) don't openly discuss GPAs...that would be kind of douchey |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 5:45 PM Author: Bespoke Autistic Sneaky Criminal Cruise Ship Can you give us a more specific time estimate about when we can expect to hear from MLR? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163730) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 5:46 PM Author: Frisky Dingle Berry Mother all grades were due last week, and the board was meeting this weekend to discuss marginal candidates, so i imagine this coming week or maybe next. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163736) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 5:48 PM Author: Bespoke Autistic Sneaky Criminal Cruise Ship Awesome, thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163742) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 5:48 PM Author: flushed arrogant ratface set is there any AA at all? is there any kind of unspoken policy to give URMs a bump?> (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163743) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 5:50 PM Author: Frisky Dingle Berry Mother no, in fact we have no idea who a candidate is when deciding. after the legislative fallout to grutter, we're not allowed to do AA in any way whatsoever. which is kind of a problem, given that last year there were 0 URMs on LR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163755) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 5:54 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163784) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 5:58 PM Author: Bespoke Autistic Sneaky Criminal Cruise Ship Also, is there a MLR waitlist? If so, do people traditionally get off of it? I can't imagine that many people would say "no" ITE... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163797) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 5:59 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163800) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 6:01 PM Author: Frisky Dingle Berry Mother i don't know about a waitlist. basically they call, tell you you're on, and then you accept or reject. i accepted right away, but i assume you could probably ask for a little bit of time to decide. but since MLR is the last journal to let ppl know, they probably would want to know pretty soon, since it's not like you're waiting to hear from anyone else. i think the calls are spaced out over a day or two, so anyone who asked for time would probably get a little of it, and if they rejected they would go to the next name down on the list. so yeah i guess there may be an informal sort of waitlist. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163813) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 5:58 PM Author: Frisky Dingle Berry Mother there's no bottom-cutoff gpa for LR...i know that it can range pretty low for some people who get on and just happen to be awesome writers. if i had to guess, i would say the average gpa is probably around 3.3 or 3.4 for applicants. so you'd probably need a 3.8+ to grade on (assuming of course your writing entry isn't total shit). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163799) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 6:03 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163823) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 6:08 PM Author: Frisky Dingle Berry Mother there's a grading rubric, and A,B,C are the only grades, but we can note if someone was on the fringe of a higher or lower grade. i believe 5 ppl grade each entry, and the highest and lowest grade among these 5 is each dropped, and the other 3 averaged. style, content, typos and formatting all affect a grade. in fact mis-formatting could mean disqualification (i wasn't looking for that, because i'm not that anal). i was mostly interested in writing style and whether someone was making a plausible argument. we had a lot of latitude in grading (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163849) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 6:12 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163876) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 6:15 PM Author: Frisky Dingle Berry Mother we were supposed to do 20% As, 20% Cs, and 60% Bs. an A to me was just really well-written. like you could tell the person was smart from reading it. good argument, good writing style, minimum or no errors (typos, etc.). i didn't bump anyone up or down because i disagreed with them, as long as they were persuasive. i'd give a slight edge to creative arguments, because i got bored reading the same stuff over and over. some of the entries really were not good, and those were the Cs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163889) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 6:10 PM Author: Frisky Dingle Berry Mother i bid only nyc, and like an asshole pretty much bid in straight vault order. went 19/20 among screenings and 5/5 on callbacks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163866) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 6:14 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163885) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 6:16 PM Author: Frisky Dingle Berry Mother it's gonna be a rough year, and you should definitely bid conservatively, but i think if your credentials are ok and you don't act like a spaz during screenings/callbacks, things should be ok. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163898) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 6:30 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163988) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 6:36 PM Author: Frisky Dingle Berry Mother marginally. any other year i'd probably tell you it isn't worth it, but ITE i think any kind of bump helps (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12164018) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 6:46 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12164091) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 6:48 PM Author: Frisky Dingle Berry Mother yeah i had a couple back-to-back weeks where i billed 80 hours each week. which sucked. now i don't have too much to do...but i guess that's the nature of corporate work. so firm life kind of sucks, but it's what we've signed up for. and unlike years past, we've got to gun for the opportunity now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12164107) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 6:52 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12164137) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 6:15 PM Author: flushed arrogant ratface set why not W&C? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163888) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 6:16 PM Author: Frisky Dingle Berry Mother don't want to do lit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163901) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 5:55 PM Author: pink soggy base How come people with shitty GPAs never take q's? I plan to change this next year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163791) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 6:05 PM Author: flushed arrogant ratface set are there rumors of any hookups among the MLR peeps? all that citechecking late into the night, the MLR parties, it's got to ahve led to something, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163835) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 6:09 PM Author: Frisky Dingle Berry Mother lol, tyft (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163855) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 6:10 PM Author: flushed arrogant ratface set are there any MLR parties? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163863) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 6:12 PM Author: Frisky Dingle Berry Mother i think only one since orientation week, but i didn't go. MJIL has the best happy hours, they've got more $ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163873) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 5:51 PM Author: Balding elastic band stock car This is the successor to The Horde? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12163764) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 6:57 PM Author: Mind-boggling Cuckoldry Native For the people who are below 3.0, how does it make you feel that all of Partyacre beat you on the curve? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12164173) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 7:12 PM Author: flushed arrogant ratface set what's partyacre? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12164247) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 7:58 PM Author: pink soggy base (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12164543) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 8:02 PM Author: bateful coffee pot that name is ridiculous (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12164587) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 8:03 PM Author: flushed arrogant ratface set and they're dominating in class, too? and get all the hot blondes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12164600) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 8:05 PM Author: bateful coffee pot they probably bang each other. a degree of self infatuation is required to come up with a name for their group (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12164616) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 8:07 PM Author: pink soggy base (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12164632) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 2:50 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug DESCRIBE the girl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12171113) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 2:58 PM Author: pink soggy base (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12171170) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 3:09 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug link pic and/or out via my xo email? morbidly curious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12171227) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 3:14 PM Author: pink soggy base Email? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12171254) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 3:17 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug pandabear@animalcollective.com (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12171275) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 3:22 PM Author: pink soggy base Got it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12171311) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 3:23 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug ty shoot me an email we can talk michigan/xo gossip (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12171323) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 3:24 PM Author: pink soggy base Check your spam mail too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12171328) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 3:28 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug nothing there dood. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12171355) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 3:35 PM Author: pink soggy base Sent again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12171415) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 3:39 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug nm got it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12171439) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 3:57 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug hit u back (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12171618) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 7:56 PM Author: pink soggy base LOL. I heard they got half of the book awards in EFGH last semester. I was surprised. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12164528) |
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Date: July 5th, 2009 10:10 PM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12165836) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 3:38 PM Author: Mind-boggling Cuckoldry Native If you are who I think you are, a guy told me a funny story about the day you got high with him at the beginning of the year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12171428) |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 1:51 AM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12176797) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 6:53 PM Author: Appetizing plaza God damn is OCS unhelpful. "Bid review" = generic advice to bid more conservatively. Worth following up or just ignore them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12172901) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 7:15 PM Author: Bespoke Autistic Sneaky Criminal Cruise Ship When do you submit your data/hear back from them? I didn't submit until the deadline but I have yet to hear a word... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12173064) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 7:58 PM Author: Appetizing plaza I submitted the night before the deadline. Heard back late afternoon. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12173329) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 8:12 PM Author: Bespoke Autistic Sneaky Criminal Cruise Ship Thanks. I wouldn't bother trying to follow up w/them -- they've made it pretty clear they don't know much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12173424) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 9:28 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12174110) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 9:48 PM Author: Appetizing plaza Maybe they're sending you more than a paragraph. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12174337) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 8:28 PM Author: Slate property talk to the market consultants. the one i talked to straight up said 'half your bids are bullshit, don't waste bids on such shitty firms.' i was overbidding a secondary market. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12173553) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 8:33 PM Author: Appetizing plaza lol I did. OCS apparently did not like the consultant's suggestions.
I'm so sick of all this, I think I'm just going to submit them tonight and be done with the whole damn thing. |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 8:59 PM Author: pink soggy base OCS is crazy. They are just really being overly conservative and trying to cover their asses. Even in good times they gave people bullshit advice. I say do whatever is half-way between what they say and what seems sensible to you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12173799) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 9:17 PM Author: Bespoke Autistic Sneaky Criminal Cruise Ship I agree that they are crazy, but the thing is that if more 2Ls had listened to their advice there might be fewer 2Ls (now 3Ls) who are unemployed/underemployed right now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12174003) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 9:29 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12174129) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 9:33 PM Author: pink soggy base He/She's partially right. A lot of folks didn't mass mail in the beginning of the OCI season, and a lot didn't bid enough safety firms.
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Date: July 6th, 2009 9:43 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12174297) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 9:47 PM Author: Bespoke Autistic Sneaky Criminal Cruise Ship Agreed. Bidding conservatively won't change the fact that, since so few employers are coming to EIW, we won't get hardly any interviews, and those interviews we do get won't translate into hardly any offers. If only I had gone to law school a few years ago...or waited a few more years... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12174332) |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 12:33 AM Author: pink soggy base How many fewer employers are coming? I didn't really notice any difference between who NALP said was coming and who appeared on Symplicity. The only ones that I really noticed were ones that never really could get Michigan students in a good economy. And even those are doing resume collection.
From what my counselor told me, in a normal economy 75% of students got their summer job through OCI. This year, they are conservatively expecting 50% to get them through OCI. That means that the other 25% are just going to have to hustle. The jobs are out there. They just won't necessarily be coming to you. For instance, I started my list of NON-OCI NYC firms and it's at 60 already, and I haven't even gone through Martindale. There are tons of firms out there. People are just going to have to get over not working at a v-100. How much longer is everybody really going to be chasing prestige? That shit is old. |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 1:46 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12179428) |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 1:48 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12179446) |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 2:00 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug i did. "put more safeties at the top"
response: "but then won't i fail to get interviews at targets/reaches?"
counter: silence |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 2:16 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12179678) |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 2:34 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug in top 10, right now:
2 reaches (0.05+ median) 8 targets if you define those as within .1 - 2 are nearly .1 less though. |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 2:46 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12179988) |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 2:47 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug my reaches are .08 and .1 above (ranked 10th and 2nd)
my targets are as low as .07 below, but all at least .01. |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 2:58 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12180115) |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 3:00 PM Author: Appetizing plaza You don't need to wait for OCS, they're definitely going to tell you to go more conservative. I received generic advice to that effect for:
1 - .05 above GPA 3 - at GPA 3 - .1 below GPA 3 - .2 below GPA |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 3:01 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12180147) |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 3:13 PM Author: Appetizing plaza My GPA is high for the market; that's just kinda how it worked out. Though they said go more conservative, if I change it, it'll be the other way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12180262) |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 3:02 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug i just don't want to work for firms that are .2 below my gpa. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12180158) |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 3:00 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug one of my firms in t10 has no grade info, i just presume that i can take .1 off from what the median at cornell is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12180137) |
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Date: July 9th, 2009 3:12 AM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12196257) |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 5:01 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12181106) |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 5:02 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug WEST COAST FIRMS ARE INTERVIEWING MORE HEAVILY ON THE WEST COAST?!@?!?!?#?$234
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Date: July 7th, 2009 5:04 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12181137) |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 5:03 PM Author: Opaque vivacious community account That's not surprising for California firms and offices. I am sure we kill them in Detroit BigLaw! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12181127) |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 5:04 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug
Date: July 7th, 2009 5:01 PM Author: querkee_at_boalt
dude i just got a look at the symplicity list of firms interviewing at michigan and our OCI is WEAK. i almost shit my pants. most firms there are interviewing for different offices separately and many over two days. Dykema, Miller, Varnum to name a few. even Drinker Grand Rapids gets its own interview team. compare that to our OCI list.
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Date: July 7th, 2009 5:05 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12181150) |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 5:06 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug do they get WLRK? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12181154) |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 5:11 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12181196) |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 5:11 PM Author: bateful coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12181192) |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 10:37 PM Author: Wonderful hospital number on symplicity decreased again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12184006) |
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Date: July 8th, 2009 11:24 AM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug rude (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12187594) |
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Date: July 9th, 2009 3:10 PM Author: glittery persian . (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12199317) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 11:03 AM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug rude again! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12207046) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 6:23 PM Author: Bespoke Autistic Sneaky Criminal Cruise Ship why is everybody so quiet here today? is this the calm before the storm of LR news next week?!?! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12210608) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 6:25 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug Busy with UVA and cls lr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12210626) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 6:29 PM Author: Bespoke Autistic Sneaky Criminal Cruise Ship I thought you were considering rejecting UVA's LR so that you could focus on CLS and MLR? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12210656) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 6:31 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug They offered me EIC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12210674) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 6:39 PM Author: Bespoke Autistic Sneaky Criminal Cruise Ship so what are you going to do now? reject CLS and MLR? i know you're a superstar, but something's gotta give... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12210743) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 6:42 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug Deciding next week. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12210765) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 6:43 PM Author: Bespoke Autistic Sneaky Criminal Cruise Ship Wish you the best of luck with your difficult decision, friend. What does your girlfriend suggest? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12210781) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 6:59 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug Haven't consulted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12210938) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 7:01 PM Author: Bespoke Autistic Sneaky Criminal Cruise Ship Rude. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12210956) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 6:41 PM Author: Titillating Ocher Faggotry Friendly Grandma 0, I did that in 2005.
EDIT: I'm assuming I still qualify as "Michigan People" |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 6:54 PM Author: Bespoke Autistic Sneaky Criminal Cruise Ship What did you do in 2005? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12210894) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 7:02 PM Author: Titillating Ocher Faggotry Friendly Grandma I didn't get anything better than the firm I spent my 2L summer with so I accepted my offer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12210964) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 7:03 PM Author: Bespoke Autistic Sneaky Criminal Cruise Ship A job is better than no job. 2005 was a much better time to be in law school...I'm jealous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12210975) |
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Date: July 11th, 2009 12:17 AM Author: cerebral ladyboy voyeur I'm spending 27 bids on Chicago, 3 elsewhere. Probably no double-office things, don't want to work in NY. Is it going to be a slaughter at the Holiday Inn in August? More importantly, will someone with between a 3.4 and a 3.5 live through it?
I just can't comprehend the complete disconnect between OCS and the market consultant. |
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Date: July 11th, 2009 12:28 AM Author: Opaque vivacious community account Market consultant is more optimistic? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12213571) |
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Date: July 11th, 2009 1:29 AM Author: cerebral ladyboy voyeur Market consultant is optimistic, but almost too much I think. It made me feel good, but I doubt both jones day and skadden belong in my top 5. I don't know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12213898) |
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Date: July 11th, 2009 1:50 AM Author: pink soggy base Maybe a little TOO optimistic. He even thinks that I will get a job in Chicago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12214027) |
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Date: July 11th, 2009 2:07 AM Author: Appetizing plaza I also had a huge disparity between OCS and the consultant. I seem to recall in that recorded market talk him thinking a 20% hiring decrease, though that was in March. Still, when talking to him just a week or two ago he used a 60% decline as ridiculous hypothetical while scoffing at the idea. He might be right, but he seems to envision much smaller cutbacks than xoxo wisdom. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12214133) |
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Date: July 11th, 2009 1:19 AM Author: Appetizing plaza I think you're fine. I'm also doing Chicago, and if you managed to find 27 bids, you've reached some very unselective firms. I know it's ITE, but your grades are solid. I know you will (we all are), but I really don't think you need to worry.
EDIT: As long as you aren't picky. |
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Date: July 11th, 2009 1:36 AM Author: cerebral ladyboy voyeur Thanks. I don't think I'm picky; at this point any job from oci will do. And yeah, I'm basically bidding on every Chicago firm coming to mich at this point. I feel like we can't really count on getting anything past bid 15 though... thoughts? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12213948) |
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Date: July 11th, 2009 2:00 AM Author: Appetizing plaza It's all speculation, but seems like as good of an idea as any. They say 18-22 interviews is (or rather was) average. Scale that back a little to account for fewer employers, and I would guess that anything past 15 or so you get because they simply didn't fill the interview schedule. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12214097) |
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Date: July 11th, 2009 2:40 AM Author: Opaque vivacious community account I wonder if there will be a lot of yield protection this year. If half the law review interviews at Cadwalader in their ITE panic, the firm isn't going to want to spend a lot calling back 50 people who view them as a last resort, especially with money as short as it is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12214236) |
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Date: July 11th, 2009 2:51 AM Author: Appetizing plaza I too thought about this, but Christ, that's the last thing we need. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12214284) |
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Date: July 11th, 2009 3:51 PM Author: cerebral ladyboy voyeur They should understand that many good students will be settling for less prestigious firms ITE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12216523) |
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Date: July 14th, 2009 2:23 AM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug this hasnt been bumped for a while (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12239126) |
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Date: July 14th, 2009 9:46 PM Author: racy smoky kitchen juggernaut Rate my list, 3.84 and LR:
1) Williams & Connolly
2) Covington & Burling (Washington, DC)
3) Munger Tolles & Olson (Los Angeles, CA)
4) Quinn, Emanuel (Redwood Shores, CA)
5) Kirkland & Ellis (Washington, DC)
6) Cleary, Gottlieb, Steen & Hamilton (Washington, DC)
7) Gibson Dunn & Crutcher (Washington, DC)
8) Arnold & Porter LLP (Washington, DC)
9) Hogan & Hartson (Washington, DC)
10) WilmerHale (Washington, DC)
11) Sidley Austin (Washington, DC)
12) Jenner & Block (Washington, DC)
13) Jones Day (Washington, DC)
14) Crowell & Moring LLP (Washington, DC)
15) O'Melveny & Myers (Washington, DC)
16) Dickstein Shapiro (Washington, DC)
17) Ivins, Phillips & Barker (Washington, DC)
18) Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld (Washington, DC)
19) Latham & Watkins (Washington, DC)
20) Steptoe & Johnson (Washington, DC)
21) Simpson Thacher & Bartlett (Washington, DC)
22) Paul Hastings Janofsky & Walker (Washington, DC)
23) Morgan Lewis & Bockius (Washington, DC)
24) Baker Botts L.L.P. (Washington, DC)
25) Vinson & Elkins (Washington, DC)
26) Venable (Washington, DC)
27) Cooley Godward Kronish (Washington, DC)
28) Patton Boggs (Washington, DC)
29) Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman LLP (Washington, DC)
30) Irell & Manella (Los Angeles, CA) |
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Date: July 14th, 2009 9:58 PM Author: indigo doctorate shut up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12246477) |
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Date: July 14th, 2009 10:11 PM Author: racy smoky kitchen juggernaut dude, everyone should be nervous. since i posted this i just realized that quinn emanuel and morgan lewis pulled out of oci. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12246628) |
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Date: July 14th, 2009 10:28 PM Author: Opaque vivacious community account Munger won't fill up, so ranking it #3 is pretty extreme. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12246793) |
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Date: July 14th, 2009 11:02 PM Author: sienna impertinent marketing idea ceo *ding ding ding*
enormous douchebag alert. |
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Date: July 15th, 2009 4:06 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug 30? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12253496) |
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Date: July 29th, 2009 7:03 PM Author: Opaque vivacious community account WTF, did it just drop from 178 to 164 in a few hours? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12379215) |
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Date: July 29th, 2009 7:13 PM Author: Wonderful hospital I have 29/30 bids now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12379284) |
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Date: July 30th, 2009 1:27 PM Author: Exciting regret pozpig I have 27/30 bids now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12385026) |
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Date: July 29th, 2009 8:44 PM Author: boyish red roast beef shrine OCS is a wuss. they know firms were dropping out like flies after bidding ended, and up until now they didn't inform us. i gave them a piece of my mind today. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12380073) |
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Date: July 29th, 2009 8:47 PM Author: henna circlehead antidepressant drug yeah, and they haven't taken them off symplicity so no one can tell who is gone.
tell me what they say.
it's also my understanding you don't get your bids "pushed up" either - you lost your #1, you don't get one. |
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Date: July 29th, 2009 8:58 PM Author: boyish red roast beef shrine i called yesterday to ask if more firms were dropping out. they said "yes, a few."
i wrote a scathing email to them today, telling them they should be notifying students immediately which firms/offices were no longer attending. they are screwing over students like me who are summering in their target markets and may actually have a chance to line up interviews before going back. their response was they were compiling a list and were going to email students over the new few days. also gave me BS about how it could be a waste of time to contact those firms since them pulling out indicates they're probably not having an SA class or are delaying hiring (not true for firms only pulling out certain offices. truth is no one wants to come out here). |
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Date: July 29th, 2009 9:05 PM Author: Concupiscible church building lettuce wait a fucking minute---they haven't emailed people when firms students have actually bid on are no longer interviewing?? that is gross incompetence, unprofessional and downright offensive to MLS students. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12380372) |
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Date: July 29th, 2009 9:09 PM Author: boyish red roast beef shrine yeah, i got a DLA piper email today. a lot of offices (not firms) have pulled out of chicago within the past week and i won't be surprised if that's happened here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12380423) |
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Date: July 29th, 2009 9:14 PM Author: cerebral ladyboy voyeur i'm going to have like 3 screening interviews (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12380475) |
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Date: July 29th, 2009 9:41 PM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12380674) |
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Date: July 29th, 2009 9:01 PM Author: cerebral ladyboy voyeur how hard could it be for them to move someone's bids up? this whole process could be so fucking easy... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12380307) |
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Date: July 29th, 2009 9:42 PM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12380678) |
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Date: July 29th, 2009 9:43 PM Author: amethyst laser beams columbia also has the courtesy to email student when firms they bid on have pulled out, without having their hand forced by ATL. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12380689) |
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Date: July 29th, 2009 9:45 PM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12380702) |
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Date: July 29th, 2009 10:05 PM Author: cerebral ladyboy voyeur yeah, i don't even want a replacement bid (too much to ask, of course), just for my bids lower than the dropped one to be bumped up. unfortunately it looks like this isn't even going to happen. i plan on calling ocs tomorrow but i fear that the line will be busy... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12380869) |
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Date: July 29th, 2009 10:16 PM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12380957) |
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Date: July 29th, 2009 10:25 PM Author: cerebral ladyboy voyeur i'm so screwed. thanks for the update though; now i can spend my phone call bitching instead of asking questions and then bitching. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12381031) |
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Date: July 29th, 2009 10:29 PM Author: Aromatic Electric Furnace State (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12381064) |
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Date: July 29th, 2009 10:31 PM Author: boyish red roast beef shrine why do you need to work with them?
i never talked to OCS before this summer, and still they have not been helpful with one single thing. |
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Date: July 29th, 2009 10:39 PM Author: Wonderful hospital No wonder everyone hates law students. Fucking whiners. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12381167) |
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Date: July 29th, 2009 11:41 PM Author: boyish red roast beef shrine OCS is generally unhelpful everywhere. just expressing the prevailing sentiment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12381759) |
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Date: July 29th, 2009 10:57 PM Author: cerebral ladyboy voyeur yeah, of course, if everyone bitched something would happen but individually it is not in one's interest, so nothing will happen. well fuck 'em anyways, i doubt they do anything for people who strike out at oci (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1030518&forum_id=2#12381353) |