but either way, the average UCLA MBA makes about $400K in total comp 10 years out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4449221)

have a nice day, homo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4450750)

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89545 + 16993 * 0.6 + 22664 * 0.272 = 105,905

I'd say HLS is closer to $135000 with signing bonuses and bonuses

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4449272)

edit: I'm also applying to one biz school, but i'd never make a claim such as yours. Knowing the brilliant classmates at HLS I have, I know they will do really well and i'm in a luckier situation to have met them in a setting where we actually discuss topics we care about, rather than networking and knowing that your classmates might be judging you based on your networking-worthiness

That is why I'm not wasting two years in the U.S. going to biz school and am going to Europe for one year programs

By the way, I'm also only applying to INSEAD (maybe also IMD), a 10-month program. The entry requirement includes a foreign language other than English though.

http://www.mbamap.com/mba-careers/mba-salaries.htm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4449318)

I guess that shows that MBAs aren't worth much in terms of education.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4450914)

mba = joke

in the real world

quit talking.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4449537)

Wharton undergrads who get MBAs don't even make an average of 400K 10 years out, thus there is no reason to think the TTTs of UCLA do better. This is also to say nothing of the median (which is lower) and the fact that the people who actually respond to these surveys are much more likely to have higher salaries (and even be employed) than those who don't.

http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/wharton/surveys/WhartonAlumniSurveyReport.pdf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4451217)

edit: by the way, good job, i usually don't respond to flame, but it's good to remember this thread with solid proof

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4451281)

Average?

I hope you don't actually believe this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4450383)

Funny that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4450813)

Why don't you just get the cite off the brochure or whatever and post it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4450859)

still have to hit the gym and then i have a prestigious date tonight.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4451134)

alright, a date [Buzz]

dinner with friends [Buzz]

dinner alone [Buzz]

watching tv alone [Buzz]

alright, he's ogling the ladies in the Victoria's secret catalogue [Buzz]

... Sears catalogue [Ding!]

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4520946)

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/mba/brief/mbarank_brief.php

the average starting salary and bonus for the top 3 schools is between $105,000 and $110,000. In light of that fact I find it highly unlikely that UCLA's MBA grads (or any school that would take you for that matter) average $120,000 their first year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4450880)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4450934)

The thing is, if you can't be successful with a T14 JD degree, you'll likely not succeed even with an HBS degree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4450905)

Your incessant, unsubstantiated recitations about how much people make just annoy me, that's all. I challenged you to find proof, but all you have told us is "some businessweek article." Are you sure it wasn't the BW message board? I even linked to the UCLA brochure that shows you exaggerated the first year numbers, so why don't you come back here only when you can prove something?

i don't mean to be mean myself, but i'm just a bit annoyed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4451014)

for example, i know quite a few people at HLS who are going to Goldman, McKinsey (split with top NY firm), etc. I also know a critical mass of people who will be working overseas with highly connected folks

it's how you use your degree not what kind of degree you have.... many of the people figure this out when they're at HLS and know that the degree opens many doors rather than channel them to just one profession

Edit: I only cited GS and McKinsey because they appeal the most to MBAs. Personally I'd rather do something else

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4451109)

the bottom line = only go to law school if you want to be a lawyer. if you want to be a banker, there are far more effective ways to do this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4451129)

There were 5 UCLA MBAs who got offers from McKinsey

I know 4 HLSers who got offers from McKinsey from my section alone (about 75 people), and that's just of the people I know. They're also ramping up recruitment at HLS more and more each year. One recruiter said "HBSers usually overestimate their ability, and HLSers underestimate theirs."

Edit: not to mention these HLSers I know are 2Ls who are getting "internships." Probably more 3Ls can also get offers from McKinsey. The "internship" data for UCLA MBA doesn't look that great.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4451233)

UCLA had 5 McKinsey and 2 Goldman. I highly doubt the yield rates for those two were very low. Probably more than 50%.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4451414)

But GS or McKinsey isn't typically available to UCLA MBAs either

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4451398)

The only evidence we have is that there are 5 McKinsey, 3 Bain, no BCG, and 2 Goldman hires

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4451474)

At least at HLS or another top 6, the competition for these positions will be much less stiff since there a far fewer people will even be attempting to get these positions whereas at any B-school, you're competing with your whole class. The HLS name should easily be good enough to get a person into the door, someone whose done their research and interviews well shouldn't have much of a problem.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4451399)

"Secondly, MBAs are a known commodity, much more so than HLSers."

As someone whose worked in both biglaw and private equity, and dealt with many bankers, I'm pretty certain that HLS has more alumni at top levels of Goldman and Mckinsey than UCLA's bschool. I haven't seen these "phantom alumni" of UCLA's MBA school going most of Goldman's deals. The Goldman guys who have MBAs are disproportionately likely to be from Wharton, Columbia, or HBS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4451485)

If you can do a case interview even half as well as the business school folks, you have a decent shot.

Sorry to burst your bubble! Enjoy UCLA!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4520174)

Still itching for that MBA at UCLA over that HLS JD? Didn't think so.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4520198)

in a second

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4520202)

Come on man, there are weapons of mass destruction over there!

No you say? Bullshit - you are just making it up!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4520207)

hth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4562760)

and somehow i doubt this path was a smooth and certain as is suggested:

"I could easily continue with my biglaw job, make my 200k a year and keep going until they tell me I won't make partner."

among everyone i've seen leave at the same stage, quite the opposite was true.

but, of course, no one here has ever sucked at something and then moved onto something else, or gone to a 10th or 20th best school that isn't extraordinary in some hidden way. perhaps it's just a matter of attending "mba fairs."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4489395)

do you know that HBS has 32 buildings! That's like an entire college campus.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4489140)

No.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4511228)

bankers' compensation >>> lawyers' compensation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4520123)

business school != banker

Enjoy your

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4563512)

basically the reason why most people continue to go to ls.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4520127)

Enjoy the bullshit sales job.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4520145)

Of course, that assumes you will get one of those jobs, when you actually will probably go into sales, fail miserably, and "start your own business" to save face.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4520186)