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Date: October 9th, 2005 9:37 PM Author: trip bearded death wish No-firm specific questions, please. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=275779&forum_id=2#4010177) |
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Date: October 9th, 2005 9:37 PM Author: swashbuckling windowlicker ticket booth What sort of efficiency should I expect as a first-year? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=275779&forum_id=2#4010187) |
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Date: October 9th, 2005 9:41 PM Author: trip bearded death wish It depends on your personality, more than anything. I'm probably at 85-90% after a month. I can focus for long periods of time without getting distracted and am pretty good about not wasting time. In my first couple weeks I had some downtime, but that is typical of being a newbie.
If you're efficient as a 4th year, you'll probably be efficient as a first year. |
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Date: October 9th, 2005 9:57 PM Author: Hairraiser cuckoldry native "If you're efficient as a 4th year, you'll probably be efficient as a first year."
What? |
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Date: October 9th, 2005 10:01 PM Author: trip bearded death wish In my little experience, efficiency is fairly immutable. You're either an efficient lawyer or you're not. Your efficiency as a 1st year is probably your efficiency as a 4th year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=275779&forum_id=2#4010407) |
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Date: October 9th, 2005 10:02 PM Author: mentally impaired french chef main people but you seem to say taht if someone is efficient as a 4th year, he's efficient as a 1st year, but guess what, 1st years have never been 4th years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=275779&forum_id=2#4010424) |
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Date: October 9th, 2005 10:03 PM Author: trip bearded death wish You get the idea, logical precision aside. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=275779&forum_id=2#4010435) |
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Date: October 9th, 2005 9:39 PM Author: Lascivious orchid point tank If you go into litigation do you have any choice but to strive for partnership? Are all the good exit opportunities hogged by the corporate guys? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=275779&forum_id=2#4010207) |
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Date: October 9th, 2005 9:43 PM Author: trip bearded death wish There's plenty of in-house jobs for litigators. GCs at companies that are always being sued (or suing) are often lit guys rather than corporate guys. If you're into government, it seems that there are more government jobs on the lit side. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=275779&forum_id=2#4010248) |
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Date: October 9th, 2005 10:03 PM Author: mentally impaired french chef main people define "plenty". this "information" you are spreading is stinks of inaccuracy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=275779&forum_id=2#4010433) |
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Date: October 9th, 2005 10:22 PM Author: Splenetic Nursing Home Place Of Business I don't know why people persist in this. When I summered in-house, many of the lawyers talked about other in-house opportunities that preferred a litigation background. Think about it. Most companies (i.e. not the Fortune 500 or so) are only going to have maybe one lawyer. If so, the GC's job is to make sure the company stays out of trouble. That usually means avoiding being sued by employees/consumers/etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=275779&forum_id=2#4010591) |
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Date: October 9th, 2005 9:40 PM Author: Aromatic Nudist Meetinghouse Multi-billionaire how engaging is the work, do the days fly by, or does it feel like mindless drudgery (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=275779&forum_id=2#4010222) |
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Date: October 9th, 2005 9:41 PM Author: Lascivious orchid point tank Ha, like 1st year litigators talk to clients. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=275779&forum_id=2#4010233) |
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Date: October 9th, 2005 9:49 PM Author: trip bearded death wish "Client contact" is very overrated. Nobody wants to talk to the clients. While they pay our salary, they're generally seen as an annoying pain in the butt. Good experience in litigation would be taking depos and writing briefs, not calling a client back to cover your ass when he wants to know why he hasn't heard from the firm in 3 months. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=275779&forum_id=2#4010297) |
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Date: October 9th, 2005 9:45 PM Author: trip bearded death wish The work is pretty interesting so far. I'm getting good assignments, for whatever reason. I'm not sure whether I'll be sick of it in 2 years, but I'm happy now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=275779&forum_id=2#4010272) |
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Date: October 9th, 2005 9:40 PM Author: Histrionic filthpig circlehead do you like being bossed around by 1st yr analysts from nyu stern undergrad? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=275779&forum_id=2#4010226) |
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Date: October 9th, 2005 9:46 PM Author: trip bearded death wish I'm in litigation. I guess I don't have to worry about that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=275779&forum_id=2#4010279) |
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Date: October 9th, 2005 9:52 PM Author: Aromatic Nudist Meetinghouse Multi-billionaire Is clerking really as highly valued as this board makes it out to be, also is making partner easier in a secondary market. Im assuming those with better credentials would stay in better markets NYC, DC, LA, etc.. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=275779&forum_id=2#4010325) |
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Date: October 9th, 2005 9:59 PM Author: trip bearded death wish Clerking is valued in many ways. It is almost essential for academia and high-level government work. Very useful if you want to do appellate litigation.
If you want to be a regular biglaw associate, it probably won't help you that much. People say that you'll get better work if you clerk, but that is hard to quantify. The partners will know if you have clerkship-level credentials even if you don't clerk. A clerk who is turning out mediocre work product isn't going to be a star for long. And it doesn't seem to help much for partnership decisions.
Making partner in a secondary market is obviously easier. The lower your firm's PPPs, the easier it will be to make partner. A firm with $2 million PPPs is looking for much more than one with $600,000 PPPs. |
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Date: October 9th, 2005 10:06 PM Author: Aromatic Nudist Meetinghouse Multi-billionaire would you say it would be better to start in a more competitve market like NYC get your 5 years experience then lateral to a secondary market. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=275779&forum_id=2#4010460) |
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Date: October 9th, 2005 10:09 PM Author: trip bearded death wish Who knows. It depends what you want to do with your life. If your goal is to be a partner at a firm in a secondary market, don't bother with NYC. If you think you might want to do something elitist in the future, having the NYC biglaw name might help. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=275779&forum_id=2#4010480) |
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Date: October 9th, 2005 10:23 PM Author: Aromatic Nudist Meetinghouse Multi-billionaire Thanks for all the info. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=275779&forum_id=2#4010594) |
Date: October 9th, 2005 9:40 PM Author: 180 Party Of The First Part Halford should I work at the highest-ranked firm I get an offer at (V20 NY) or should I work at a lower ranked firm in a secondary market (V40-50) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=275779&forum_id=2#4010217) |
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Date: October 9th, 2005 9:44 PM Author: trip bearded death wish Where do you want to be? Is your firm one of the best in the secondary market? How is each firm for your intended practice areas? Think about those questions, as vault ranking isn't everything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=275779&forum_id=2#4010262) |