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***UKRAINE TO JOIN NATO***
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Date: April 21st, 2023 11:08 AM Author: godawful salmon ratface cruise ship https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1649325969495269377?s=46
NEW - All NATO allies "agree Ukraine will become member." |
Date: April 21st, 2023 11:11 AM Author: godawful salmon ratface cruise ship https://twitter.com/spriter99880/status/1649313901664763904?s=46
NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg said after a visit to Kyiv that all NATO allies agree that Ukraine should become a member of the alliance. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 11:11 AM Author: godawful salmon ratface cruise ship https://twitter.com/nato/status/1649047066314940417?s=46
❝Ukraine’s rightful place is in the Euro-Atlantic family.
Ukraine’s rightful place is in NATO.
Over time, our support will help you make this possible.❞
@jensstoltenberg | #StandWithUkraine🇺🇦 |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 11:47 AM Author: razzle self-centered legend Putin genius triumph yet again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46213996) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 11:12 AM Author: Sooty domesticated box office people who are hurt Saw that. Great news. Probably years in the future but one day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46213830) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 11:54 AM Author: Curious Whorehouse I suspect the day before never. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214084) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 11:57 AM Author: primrose police squad Cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214099) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 1:01 PM Author: Exciting cerise office preventive strike (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214517) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:38 PM Author: Odious Foreskin Lmao @ Russiacucks
NATO exists to repel Russian mongrels from Europe, and guess what Ukraine is very good at? |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:39 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
Damn, so this is really happening. Wow.
When is it happening, btw? |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:48 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
TDNW? Brother? |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:49 PM Author: Mahogany messiness laser beams http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328295&mc=28&forum_id=2#46214574 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215112) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:50 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
Wow this "TBF" guy sounds like a real fag.
IMO he did ask a pretty simple and pretty fair question above, though. Maybe someone can actually answer it to blow him out, and THEN we can laugh at what a moron he is?
That would be the most effective thing to do here, IMO. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:06 PM Author: Mahogany messiness laser beams I dunno, did he? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215202) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:08 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
Yeah IMO.
So what's the answer, btw? |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:23 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
Quotemo? |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:49 PM Author: Mahogany messiness laser beams http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328295&mc=28&forum_id=2#46214574 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215113) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:16 PM Author: frum topaz temple "I Still Unload": This Man Is a "Nullo" Who Removed His Penis and Balls 559.91K
Simon Davis
10/16/14 11:10AM
Filed to: INTERVIEWS
In 1994, a South Florida man who goes by the name Gelding was surgically castrated. In 2011, he had his penis removed as well. He's a "nullo": A cisgender man who removes his external genitalia completely as a form of body modification, and he recently agreed to answer our questions—from "why?" to "what do balls taste like?"
Gelding is a nudist and describes himself as a submissive bear. Apart from his desire to use a pseudonym, he let it all hang out (so to speak) when I reached out to him and graciously answered every question I had.
Is nullo your preferred term to describe yourself and others like you who are castrated and have removed their penis?
Yes, the reason that we use that it is not transgender. It's simply nullification of what you've got. A friend of mine Mack in San Francisco likes to use the term "mascunull", because I remain as masculine as they come with fur and so forth. But I no longer have the parts.
What are some misconceptions people have about nullos?
A few men don't know their own physiology to the point where they think if they lose their balls they can't come any more. And that's false. If you look at the physiology you see that the fluids are made by the seminal vesicles and the prostate. Very little of the fluid and the content is produced in the testes. I still unload.
But the active ingredient for impregnating someone isn't there.
Right.
Do you get a lot of people who think you're trying to become a woman?
Absolutely. And it's mostly the medical profession who sees the sexes as either male or female. And anyone who wants to alter any part of that is in some way suffering from gender dysphoria. They don't like themselves for some reason and they want to change gender. And that's absolutely false.
It's not a dysphoria. I see it in the positive way of working toward something, rather than away from something. Many of the guys instead of putting a negative feel on it see it as a positive. Being castrated is a positive to them. Rather than removing something that they dislike, they are moving in the direction that they want. I went through a long set of psychological evaluation sessions with a psychologist here in town, because that was necessary in order to have the penis removed.
You've previously discussed your 1994 castration. However, I didn't find anything on your penis removal in 2011. Can you talk about that?
I knew I was uncomfortable in having frankly large male parts. I would quite often sit on my own balls because they were loose unless I wore something tight and held them in I would sit on them and squash them. That got me into trouble playing soccer in college when they forced us to wear these hard plastic cups. What happened was I fell on a guy's upright knee with the weight of another player behind me, so two of us fell on the knee. The knee happened to hit the middle of the plastic cup and imploded and tore me up. I was severely injured.
The doctor saved everything but over a period of time the nerves gave me some problems and I had aches in my testicles all the time. When I was in the military service they tried doing a varicose vein removal but that didn't help, it just made matters worse. They thought I was suffering from varicose veins. So after leaving the service I had them removed. And that removed that little problem but I still had the nerve sensations in the penis which woke me up at night. So I could get erect, but it was painful.
So I talked with my urologist and he said the only treatment for that was to make it numb, which is very dangerous because if you make something like that numb then you don't know if it's infected for some reason. Or remove it, but to do that he needs to cover his ass and asked for a psychological evaluation. And my own doctor is a professor at Nova Southeastern University here in. She is the most brilliant doctor I've ever met. So, I asked her about this problem and she was very forthright and said "well, we'll have to treat you". She didn't consider it something that was wrong with me, she said "we have to investigate." I went to see a psychiatrist and he spent a good 90 minutes with me and said "yes, I have just the person that can work with you." So the psychologist did a battery of personality tests and said "you're perfectly fine, your only problem is that you've got these physical problems which work on your nerves." And I said "yeah." And he said "it also works with your personality" because I'm a gay submissive and I always have been and it wasn't working right. So in order to to fix it I worked toward a goal of having things removed. And that was it. I'm working in a positive way to solve my own personal problem.
But was castration something you were contemplating prior to the injury?
Yes. For whatever reason I was always embarrassed by the size of what I had. It didn't fit my personality.
Do you remember when you the fantasy to remove your testicles first occurred?
I had a baby face in high school, there was one of these bullies and he said "you have a man's equipment but you're still a boy" and he squeezed my balls in the shower. He was on the football team, I was on the soccer team showering together and he said "you shouldn't have such big equipment" so he squeezed my balls and at that point it was just a fantasy for me. So how about getting rid of them for some reason?
When did it go from fantasy to aspiration?
It became a fetish thing where I would do sort of more self destructive things with them like putting rubber bands around them and needles through the balls and whatnot. It's a progression which a lot of guys go through. It's something that works on them and they say "Well, how about if we just have them off? Then I won't be bothered by this constant urge to hurt them". And this is where a psychologist gets into the dysphoria. It's very difficult to distinguish whether it's a dislike for something or instead you're working towards something else. I always thought when I was on the beach—I was also on the swim team—and we had Speedos, it was difficult to pack everything in frankly. I would be embarrassed and everybody was looking and here I am and I've got the biggest package and I'm not the biggest guy and I got a whole lot of looks from everybody.
I had a big dick, it got damaged and I was a bottom. I didn't want to use it, I got pushed into using it, I had to take all sorts of medications and was tired of being somebody else's tool.
Broadly speaking, how can someone know that being a nullo is something they actually want to go through with as opposed to something they fantasize about?
That's something really for a psychologist to answer, but in talking to all the guys that I've been talking with, they try to come up with all sorts of different rationalizations to justify it. In my case, my medical situation really didn't justify it because I was just uncomfortable with what I had. It wasn't medically necessary. But I felt that I would be much more comfortable having the issues of having the sensation but not being able to use it well. It was something like a guy having a useless appendage and it's something he has to carry around, and it becomes baggage after a while.
If someone starts/botches the process on their own, what would you recommend they do? Should people use a cover story to avoid getting in trouble?
No. Go to the emergency room. Today, they have been exposed to a lot more of the literature out there than they were 20 years ago. They're not going to be institutionalized. I mean years ago they used to institutionalize guys that were gay.
How would you say the breakdown is between gay and straight men for nullos?
I would have to say it's mostly gays. I don't know of a straight guy who became a nullo.
You had said in a previous interview that for castrations it's about a two to one for gay to straight men that decide to do it.
I've heard of a couple of straight guys who decided that they were making too many babies so they had their balls off so they could take testosterone and continue. I know quite a few bodybuilders both gay and straight whose testes have shrunk because of the steroids they are taking which are bad for their health. So they got castrated and now they're on medically injected testosterone which is good for them. It's not as harmful as oral steroids are or some of the other shit that they're pumping into themselves.
How would you recommend people do their penectomy and castration?
In the last couple of years, my friend Mack from San Francisco ran into Dr. Crane from Brownstein & Crane and he met him, and I don't know how the two of them had the discussion, and then I had a phone interview with Dr. Crane and I explained my situation with him and now Dr. Crane is no longer doing just transgender type of procedures but [also] genital modifications.
So in a way, you educated him.
The protocol that the doctors use for transgender people is called the Harry Benjamin protocol. So for example Dr. Reed in Miami, before you go to his clinic you have to take female hormones for six months and show some development of breasts and whatnot, some feminine characteristics before he will deal with you. And why do that when you simply want to get the genitals removed?
If anything, wouldn't additional testosterone be what you'd need after castration?
Men who get castrated, they do get depressed if they don't start fairly right away on testosterone. Because the falling hormone causes hot flashes first of all, and then the loss of libido. You lose all interest in sex and everything else.
Are there any changes that occur to the body as a result?
Body changes are minimal really. If you lose your balls, you won't lose all your hair.
What about voice? Is that a myth?
Voice doesn't change, no. The larynx is a hard tissue, and the voice box and everything else is a hard tissue. But the timbre of your voice is a factor of the larynx. I sang in the college choir, I know about these things.
One thing I noticed while reading testimonials is that many people seem to try their hand at castration and penectomy but then go to the doctor only if it goes wrong. How much of this would you say is due to the medical profession's reluctance to remove healthy body parts and how much is due to people's general fear of discussing this type of thing with their doctor or therapist?
You know about the Hippocratic oath right? "First do no harm". They have to be convinced that what they are doing is in fact an improvement on your health. Which is why the surgeon is requesting a psychological evaluation. And the psychologist comes back and says "yeah, he's going to be uncomfortable where he is, he's going to be more improved, better mood, better this, better that" and so forth. So from a totality point of view, it's going to get better after he gets modified.
And let me tell you my mood has improved dramatically since going nullo. I don't miss the baggage. I don't miss the fact that I get into sex with a guy, he expects me to perform in some ways, now he doesn't have that expectation. In fact, quite a few guys find it very arousing that they don't have to have that distraction.
Are there other benefits?
Another thing is, guys who are aroused by my situation are very aroused. I've got some guys who are pursuing me a lot. And they just like this idea, because there's nothing there to be in the way. Face to face fucking is very pleasurable. And when they're doing that I actually wet their stomachs with my fluids. And this one guy, he likes to go down on me. He's a bi guy and he said he does this with his girlfriend so he goes down there and starts licking me. And he just loves that idea. He loves the idea that I have a hairy chest and what is to him a very tiny vagina that he can't fuck but he can lick and he can enjoy being the male role. I've even got a straight guy here in town who likes to fuck me because I don't have any male genitals and he doesn't feel threatened by that.
Are there any downsides?
One of the most obvious cons is I have to sit to pee, or I have to use one of these female urination devices. It's an odd funnel shaped device that you can use if there's only a men's urinal. Also, some times I get urinary tract infections. There's a shorter path to the bladder through what I've got now. So I've got to be very careful and keep it clean. I can't get guy fingering me down there because it's the inside of the urethra so it's sensitive.
Do you ever get "phantom dick" syndrome when you are reaching for it out of habit?
A lot of the nerves are bundled on the base of the penis where most of the sensation comes from. It's not along the length of penis but on the base of the penis is where most of the sensations are. And I wake up in the morning with a feeling that I have a big dick that's erect.
In your experience, what percentage of castrations are done by non-medical professionals? How about penectomies? What are the safety risks for each? Would you say one is more difficult than the other for a layman?
I would above three quarters [by non-medical professionals]. And that number is lower than say twenty years ago. There are not as many today.
Which are not as many?
The amateur cutters. There are a lot of wannabes that are successful that manage to stay below the radar of the authorities because they run into trouble because of their lack of skill. Because if you mess up there are problems there. But if you're very careful in choosing the men you work with so that you have very low risk involved, which is age (you don't do old men), you don't do very overweight men, you don't do men who smoke, who don't take drugs and anything else. If you take these fairly low-risk guys and you do it well, then there won't be any problems. Once these guys get castrated, most of them simply become very private and they don't brag about things. They sort of withdraw from pursuing anything else because they've reached their goal.
So is the the percentage of amateur cutters lower today due to more people with medical training performing castrations?
Yes. They are finding that there is a living in this if they do it among other things.
How about with penectomies? I would imagine (and hope!) there's fewer amateurs performing these.
Almost all of them are done by medical professionals. That's tricky, yeah. More tricky. It's sort of major surgery and it's been done by some amateurs. They're fairly good with their surgical techniques. I was actually at one and the guy did a fairly good job but it took a long time and it was a very involved, very slow process. I've heard of only three or four done by cutters in the past and they have left active participation in this.
When you do a penectomy you have to re-route the urethra, yes?
Yes, what I did with this is I knew where I was going with this in 1999 and I contacted my urologist in Hollywood [Florida], an old guy who was just about to retire and I talked to him very carefully and said "in the future I'm going to want the penis removed". And he said "OK, we can do a urethral relocation in the base of the penis".
So how do things like ejaculation and urination work when you've rerouted the urethra and no longer use the penis for them?
With ejaculation, just before you reach the peak, all the fluid is there at the base of the penis, and right before orgasm happens it's the urethra that acts like a rail gun and expels the semen. So when you don't use the penis, there's no force behind it. It just flows out.
What happens to the body parts after removal?
Quite a few [cutters] collect them. They preserve them, they put them in jars. One guy embedded his in plastic and now it's an ornament somewhere. This typically happens when you're in a master/slave dominant/submissive relationship and the submissive gives up his balls to his partner for keepsake. And then you get into this S&M thing where the dominant partner controls and regulates the libido of the submissive. Especially if the submissive is on say androgel where the turnaround time from full sexiness to limp dick is about on the order of a week. The reaction time for the transdermal is very fast. Whereas the injections wear off after two to three weeks. The half life of the testosterone I'm taking is eight days.
You mentioned consumption of body parts in another interview. Is that for real?
It is for real, yes. Some guys do that. Think about the Testy Festy, where they go there and every year there they have concentration of people who are into eating sheep and bull nuts and rocky mountain oysters. I know a few cutters that don't charge anything for their work, the only charge they have is that they get the nuts afterwards.
Is this something that you've tasted?
Yes, as a matter of fact they do taste a little like chicken. Actually I would have to say they taste as much like chicken as they do roast pork. But it all depends on how you cook them. If you cook them in salted butter then they might be saltier than they might otherwise be.
How do you like them cooked?
I went to a cutter's place and he was having an event where he cut a number of guys and I was assisting him there. And what I did is I cooked them up in some butter with some mushrooms. Quite good with a nice red merlot wine.
Cheers to that, Gelding. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 11:14 AM Author: Violet nursing home Outstanding. Fuck Russia and fuck Russiacucks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46213842) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 11:54 AM Author: Curious Whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214081) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:39 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
I'm here and prepared to absolutely go buckwild.
But first, can we get an actual date when this will happen? Right now I just see someone saying it's going to happen, but it looks like they forget to specify a date. When will Ukraine actually become a NATO member? I'll happily accept a year, we don't need to get too specific here ;) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:49 PM Author: Mahogany messiness laser beams http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328295&mc=28&forum_id=2#46214574 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215114) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:54 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215120 |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 11:50 AM Author: comical canary clown time to nuke Ukraine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214005) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 11:51 AM Author: Sinister Doobsian Round Eye theyve been saying this since 2008. you need unanimous consent and germany, france, turkey, and hungary wont agree. the us probably wouldnt either
if its ok to impeach trump for some retarded bullshit, why isnt ok for folks to drag biden through the streets like some deposed arab despot over this? i dont want nucleqr war over the fucking donbas. everyone that thinks otherwise should cluster in the same states so that russia can aim their iskanders at just them leave the rest of us alone
i hate that im bearing even an incrementally higher risk of dying because of the mental illness of others |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 11:53 AM Author: razzle self-centered legend remember when US sending anti-tank missiles to Ukraine was going to cause nuclear war? and when sending tanks was going to lead to nuclear holocaust? and how Putin wouldn't tolerate the US sending Patriot missile batteries to Ukraine and would surely press the button? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214073) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:01 PM Author: lavender mood rehab "Poking the bear hasn't yielded any danger, so let's go ahead and rape it" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214116) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:03 PM Author: razzle self-centered legend "all of my predictions of doom have proven wildly inaccurate, here is why you should keep listening to me" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214125) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:04 PM Author: lavender mood rehab sorry brother, you got owned IMO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214130) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:07 PM Author: razzle self-centered legend ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214154) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:05 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse "We haven't all died yet, let's keep risking mass death over *flips page* Ukraine and NATO expansion which is needed because, uh, 'geopolitical goals of establishment elites.' Oh." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214139) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:06 PM Author: razzle self-centered legend sup TMF. surely your predictions of nuclear apocalypse aren't motivated reasoning by a disingenuous Russian kike. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214145) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:31 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
CR, I hear their ICBMs and nukes don't even work anymore. Time to invade Moscow IMO! |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:16 PM Author: frum topaz temple "I Still Unload": This Man Is a "Nullo" Who Removed His Penis and Balls 559.91K
Simon Davis
10/16/14 11:10AM
Filed to: INTERVIEWS
In 1994, a South Florida man who goes by the name Gelding was surgically castrated. In 2011, he had his penis removed as well. He's a "nullo": A cisgender man who removes his external genitalia completely as a form of body modification, and he recently agreed to answer our questions—from "why?" to "what do balls taste like?"
Gelding is a nudist and describes himself as a submissive bear. Apart from his desire to use a pseudonym, he let it all hang out (so to speak) when I reached out to him and graciously answered every question I had.
Is nullo your preferred term to describe yourself and others like you who are castrated and have removed their penis?
Yes, the reason that we use that it is not transgender. It's simply nullification of what you've got. A friend of mine Mack in San Francisco likes to use the term "mascunull", because I remain as masculine as they come with fur and so forth. But I no longer have the parts.
What are some misconceptions people have about nullos?
A few men don't know their own physiology to the point where they think if they lose their balls they can't come any more. And that's false. If you look at the physiology you see that the fluids are made by the seminal vesicles and the prostate. Very little of the fluid and the content is produced in the testes. I still unload.
But the active ingredient for impregnating someone isn't there.
Right.
Do you get a lot of people who think you're trying to become a woman?
Absolutely. And it's mostly the medical profession who sees the sexes as either male or female. And anyone who wants to alter any part of that is in some way suffering from gender dysphoria. They don't like themselves for some reason and they want to change gender. And that's absolutely false.
It's not a dysphoria. I see it in the positive way of working toward something, rather than away from something. Many of the guys instead of putting a negative feel on it see it as a positive. Being castrated is a positive to them. Rather than removing something that they dislike, they are moving in the direction that they want. I went through a long set of psychological evaluation sessions with a psychologist here in town, because that was necessary in order to have the penis removed.
You've previously discussed your 1994 castration. However, I didn't find anything on your penis removal in 2011. Can you talk about that?
I knew I was uncomfortable in having frankly large male parts. I would quite often sit on my own balls because they were loose unless I wore something tight and held them in I would sit on them and squash them. That got me into trouble playing soccer in college when they forced us to wear these hard plastic cups. What happened was I fell on a guy's upright knee with the weight of another player behind me, so two of us fell on the knee. The knee happened to hit the middle of the plastic cup and imploded and tore me up. I was severely injured.
The doctor saved everything but over a period of time the nerves gave me some problems and I had aches in my testicles all the time. When I was in the military service they tried doing a varicose vein removal but that didn't help, it just made matters worse. They thought I was suffering from varicose veins. So after leaving the service I had them removed. And that removed that little problem but I still had the nerve sensations in the penis which woke me up at night. So I could get erect, but it was painful.
So I talked with my urologist and he said the only treatment for that was to make it numb, which is very dangerous because if you make something like that numb then you don't know if it's infected for some reason. Or remove it, but to do that he needs to cover his ass and asked for a psychological evaluation. And my own doctor is a professor at Nova Southeastern University here in. She is the most brilliant doctor I've ever met. So, I asked her about this problem and she was very forthright and said "well, we'll have to treat you". She didn't consider it something that was wrong with me, she said "we have to investigate." I went to see a psychiatrist and he spent a good 90 minutes with me and said "yes, I have just the person that can work with you." So the psychologist did a battery of personality tests and said "you're perfectly fine, your only problem is that you've got these physical problems which work on your nerves." And I said "yeah." And he said "it also works with your personality" because I'm a gay submissive and I always have been and it wasn't working right. So in order to to fix it I worked toward a goal of having things removed. And that was it. I'm working in a positive way to solve my own personal problem.
But was castration something you were contemplating prior to the injury?
Yes. For whatever reason I was always embarrassed by the size of what I had. It didn't fit my personality.
Do you remember when you the fantasy to remove your testicles first occurred?
I had a baby face in high school, there was one of these bullies and he said "you have a man's equipment but you're still a boy" and he squeezed my balls in the shower. He was on the football team, I was on the soccer team showering together and he said "you shouldn't have such big equipment" so he squeezed my balls and at that point it was just a fantasy for me. So how about getting rid of them for some reason?
When did it go from fantasy to aspiration?
It became a fetish thing where I would do sort of more self destructive things with them like putting rubber bands around them and needles through the balls and whatnot. It's a progression which a lot of guys go through. It's something that works on them and they say "Well, how about if we just have them off? Then I won't be bothered by this constant urge to hurt them". And this is where a psychologist gets into the dysphoria. It's very difficult to distinguish whether it's a dislike for something or instead you're working towards something else. I always thought when I was on the beach—I was also on the swim team—and we had Speedos, it was difficult to pack everything in frankly. I would be embarrassed and everybody was looking and here I am and I've got the biggest package and I'm not the biggest guy and I got a whole lot of looks from everybody.
I had a big dick, it got damaged and I was a bottom. I didn't want to use it, I got pushed into using it, I had to take all sorts of medications and was tired of being somebody else's tool.
Broadly speaking, how can someone know that being a nullo is something they actually want to go through with as opposed to something they fantasize about?
That's something really for a psychologist to answer, but in talking to all the guys that I've been talking with, they try to come up with all sorts of different rationalizations to justify it. In my case, my medical situation really didn't justify it because I was just uncomfortable with what I had. It wasn't medically necessary. But I felt that I would be much more comfortable having the issues of having the sensation but not being able to use it well. It was something like a guy having a useless appendage and it's something he has to carry around, and it becomes baggage after a while.
If someone starts/botches the process on their own, what would you recommend they do? Should people use a cover story to avoid getting in trouble?
No. Go to the emergency room. Today, they have been exposed to a lot more of the literature out there than they were 20 years ago. They're not going to be institutionalized. I mean years ago they used to institutionalize guys that were gay.
How would you say the breakdown is between gay and straight men for nullos?
I would have to say it's mostly gays. I don't know of a straight guy who became a nullo.
You had said in a previous interview that for castrations it's about a two to one for gay to straight men that decide to do it.
I've heard of a couple of straight guys who decided that they were making too many babies so they had their balls off so they could take testosterone and continue. I know quite a few bodybuilders both gay and straight whose testes have shrunk because of the steroids they are taking which are bad for their health. So they got castrated and now they're on medically injected testosterone which is good for them. It's not as harmful as oral steroids are or some of the other shit that they're pumping into themselves.
How would you recommend people do their penectomy and castration?
In the last couple of years, my friend Mack from San Francisco ran into Dr. Crane from Brownstein & Crane and he met him, and I don't know how the two of them had the discussion, and then I had a phone interview with Dr. Crane and I explained my situation with him and now Dr. Crane is no longer doing just transgender type of procedures but [also] genital modifications.
So in a way, you educated him.
The protocol that the doctors use for transgender people is called the Harry Benjamin protocol. So for example Dr. Reed in Miami, before you go to his clinic you have to take female hormones for six months and show some development of breasts and whatnot, some feminine characteristics before he will deal with you. And why do that when you simply want to get the genitals removed?
If anything, wouldn't additional testosterone be what you'd need after castration?
Men who get castrated, they do get depressed if they don't start fairly right away on testosterone. Because the falling hormone causes hot flashes first of all, and then the loss of libido. You lose all interest in sex and everything else.
Are there any changes that occur to the body as a result?
Body changes are minimal really. If you lose your balls, you won't lose all your hair.
What about voice? Is that a myth?
Voice doesn't change, no. The larynx is a hard tissue, and the voice box and everything else is a hard tissue. But the timbre of your voice is a factor of the larynx. I sang in the college choir, I know about these things.
One thing I noticed while reading testimonials is that many people seem to try their hand at castration and penectomy but then go to the doctor only if it goes wrong. How much of this would you say is due to the medical profession's reluctance to remove healthy body parts and how much is due to people's general fear of discussing this type of thing with their doctor or therapist?
You know about the Hippocratic oath right? "First do no harm". They have to be convinced that what they are doing is in fact an improvement on your health. Which is why the surgeon is requesting a psychological evaluation. And the psychologist comes back and says "yeah, he's going to be uncomfortable where he is, he's going to be more improved, better mood, better this, better that" and so forth. So from a totality point of view, it's going to get better after he gets modified.
And let me tell you my mood has improved dramatically since going nullo. I don't miss the baggage. I don't miss the fact that I get into sex with a guy, he expects me to perform in some ways, now he doesn't have that expectation. In fact, quite a few guys find it very arousing that they don't have to have that distraction.
Are there other benefits?
Another thing is, guys who are aroused by my situation are very aroused. I've got some guys who are pursuing me a lot. And they just like this idea, because there's nothing there to be in the way. Face to face fucking is very pleasurable. And when they're doing that I actually wet their stomachs with my fluids. And this one guy, he likes to go down on me. He's a bi guy and he said he does this with his girlfriend so he goes down there and starts licking me. And he just loves that idea. He loves the idea that I have a hairy chest and what is to him a very tiny vagina that he can't fuck but he can lick and he can enjoy being the male role. I've even got a straight guy here in town who likes to fuck me because I don't have any male genitals and he doesn't feel threatened by that.
Are there any downsides?
One of the most obvious cons is I have to sit to pee, or I have to use one of these female urination devices. It's an odd funnel shaped device that you can use if there's only a men's urinal. Also, some times I get urinary tract infections. There's a shorter path to the bladder through what I've got now. So I've got to be very careful and keep it clean. I can't get guy fingering me down there because it's the inside of the urethra so it's sensitive.
Do you ever get "phantom dick" syndrome when you are reaching for it out of habit?
A lot of the nerves are bundled on the base of the penis where most of the sensation comes from. It's not along the length of penis but on the base of the penis is where most of the sensations are. And I wake up in the morning with a feeling that I have a big dick that's erect.
In your experience, what percentage of castrations are done by non-medical professionals? How about penectomies? What are the safety risks for each? Would you say one is more difficult than the other for a layman?
I would above three quarters [by non-medical professionals]. And that number is lower than say twenty years ago. There are not as many today.
Which are not as many?
The amateur cutters. There are a lot of wannabes that are successful that manage to stay below the radar of the authorities because they run into trouble because of their lack of skill. Because if you mess up there are problems there. But if you're very careful in choosing the men you work with so that you have very low risk involved, which is age (you don't do old men), you don't do very overweight men, you don't do men who smoke, who don't take drugs and anything else. If you take these fairly low-risk guys and you do it well, then there won't be any problems. Once these guys get castrated, most of them simply become very private and they don't brag about things. They sort of withdraw from pursuing anything else because they've reached their goal.
So is the the percentage of amateur cutters lower today due to more people with medical training performing castrations?
Yes. They are finding that there is a living in this if they do it among other things.
How about with penectomies? I would imagine (and hope!) there's fewer amateurs performing these.
Almost all of them are done by medical professionals. That's tricky, yeah. More tricky. It's sort of major surgery and it's been done by some amateurs. They're fairly good with their surgical techniques. I was actually at one and the guy did a fairly good job but it took a long time and it was a very involved, very slow process. I've heard of only three or four done by cutters in the past and they have left active participation in this.
When you do a penectomy you have to re-route the urethra, yes?
Yes, what I did with this is I knew where I was going with this in 1999 and I contacted my urologist in Hollywood [Florida], an old guy who was just about to retire and I talked to him very carefully and said "in the future I'm going to want the penis removed". And he said "OK, we can do a urethral relocation in the base of the penis".
So how do things like ejaculation and urination work when you've rerouted the urethra and no longer use the penis for them?
With ejaculation, just before you reach the peak, all the fluid is there at the base of the penis, and right before orgasm happens it's the urethra that acts like a rail gun and expels the semen. So when you don't use the penis, there's no force behind it. It just flows out.
What happens to the body parts after removal?
Quite a few [cutters] collect them. They preserve them, they put them in jars. One guy embedded his in plastic and now it's an ornament somewhere. This typically happens when you're in a master/slave dominant/submissive relationship and the submissive gives up his balls to his partner for keepsake. And then you get into this S&M thing where the dominant partner controls and regulates the libido of the submissive. Especially if the submissive is on say androgel where the turnaround time from full sexiness to limp dick is about on the order of a week. The reaction time for the transdermal is very fast. Whereas the injections wear off after two to three weeks. The half life of the testosterone I'm taking is eight days.
You mentioned consumption of body parts in another interview. Is that for real?
It is for real, yes. Some guys do that. Think about the Testy Festy, where they go there and every year there they have concentration of people who are into eating sheep and bull nuts and rocky mountain oysters. I know a few cutters that don't charge anything for their work, the only charge they have is that they get the nuts afterwards.
Is this something that you've tasted?
Yes, as a matter of fact they do taste a little like chicken. Actually I would have to say they taste as much like chicken as they do roast pork. But it all depends on how you cook them. If you cook them in salted butter then they might be saltier than they might otherwise be.
How do you like them cooked?
I went to a cutter's place and he was having an event where he cut a number of guys and I was assisting him there. And what I did is I cooked them up in some butter with some mushrooms. Quite good with a nice red merlot wine.
Cheers to that, Gelding. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 11:56 AM Author: Purple Violent National It won't happen as long as there's a hot war in ukraine. It's more of a long-term goal. NATO will continue to expand and Russia will wither. And people won't drag biden through the streets over ukraine. The xo pro-russia or isolationist view is not at all popular. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214092) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 11:57 AM Author: Curious Whorehouse No one in the US is actually ready or willing to die for NATO. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214098) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:05 PM Author: Purple Violent National After this debacle, no one is going to challenge NATO in Europe. Russia's military industrial complex has been destroyed. You have to buy weapons from NATO countries, especially the US. They're literally the only game in town. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214140) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:08 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse Yes, I'm sure the entire world will just bend the knee to NATO, despite completely hating everything about those countries. That's totally how humanity works. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214156) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:09 PM Author: razzle self-centered legend looking forward to more lessons about "how humanity works" from a deranged Russian Jewish ghoul who thought Putin would take over Ukraine in two weeks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214161) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 4:23 PM Author: confused macaca (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215628) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:12 PM Author: Purple Violent National Oh yeah, they totally hate us. Lol half the leadership in russia vacations in western europe. Even their wives and children hang out in the west while the west takes their money and sends weapons to ukraine to kill their countrymen. Russia is finished as a foe to the west. Whether the US can do the same in east asia is another question. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214175) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:15 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse That's a ridiculous position. The reality is that China can't afford to have Russia become a Western puppet. As long as that remains true I don't think Russia is going anywhere as an adversary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214199) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 8:29 PM Author: frum topaz temple you pee sitting down and fart cum from your asshole (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46219005) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:26 PM Author: hairraiser lilac parlour keepsake machete most people are isolated from war. just look at the last 3 decades. people will clamor for war because it feels righteous and those with boots on the ground are poors.
they don't really consider the risk of nuclear war. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:30 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse I understand that, but that means the "support" for this stuff is extremely shallow. If it started costing people everyone would get outraged very quickly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214993) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:44 PM Author: hairraiser lilac parlour keepsake machete people see the costs indirectly. like, afghanistan cost trillions but people don't really see the cost of it because it's obfuscated behind a bunch of government debt that people don't really understand. so, even though it might be shallow, it's deep enough people will still support up until they see direct costs.
anyone who votes for war should be required to be drafted into it. it's obscene we allow people to piss american money and lives away, risking the world's destruction, because it's unlikely to impact them directly and they want to be rightthink people hanging a ukraine flag in their lawn. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:52 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse I agree with all of that. I'm just pointing out that anything like this that has a very strong chance of exploding (after all, how many empires trying to conquer the world didn't end up imposing unsustainably high costs on their people and ultimately collapse because of them?). Considering the effort isn't particularly popular, it seems like it will fail sooner rather than later.
I'll give you some examples. Many were fighting for Rome right up until the end. The British Empire had fervent loyalists willing to fight for the expansion of the Empire. We have pretty much no one willing to die for the expansion of NATO. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:57 PM Author: Odious Foreskin yes, the Russian empire will collapse because of this stupid senseless war that Russia can’t win. I’m glad we agree on that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215156) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:01 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse Russia is definitely going to win this war. The question is how long it will take. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215178) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:04 PM Author: Odious Foreskin Thanks, TMF. I love when you say stupid shit openly and clearly
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Russia is definitely going to win this war. The question is how long it will take.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=#)” |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:06 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
You got him, brother!
Hey can you answer my questions about timeline on your statements that Russia is going to be expelled from Ukraine, the "Russian Empire" will collapse, etc? |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:02 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
Big news!
When?
Also while we're talking timeline, don't forget this pending question: http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215130 |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:04 PM Author: Sinister Doobsian Round Eye im neither pro-russia nor isolationist. i do have a three digit iq though.
this means i think its idiotic that the united states continues to pay for the national defense of a bunch of free riding wealthy european states. it isnt 1945 and 2 million battle hardened red army soldiers arent bearing down on western europe.
nato collectively spends over 2 trillion per year on defense. putin spends 65 billion and cant even take ukraine. if europe cant fend off russia without big brother, they deserve whatever they get
the idea of expanding us security obligations to more deadbeats in a strategic backwater seems stupid. let me know if ukraine starts making semiconductor chips though.
if you think americans want to bleed and bankrupt themselves over the fucking donbas, we dont inhabit the same universe |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:05 PM Author: razzle self-centered legend lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214138) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:06 PM Author: Sinister Doobsian Round Eye this is a very thoughtful response that proves youre smarter than my left testicle (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214149) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:07 PM Author: razzle self-centered legend "im neither pro-russia nor isolationist" is as far as i needed to read to see that you are full of shit and arguing in bad faith and the rest wasn't even worth reading. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214155) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:12 PM Author: Sinister Doobsian Round Eye you shouldve stuck with “lol” instead of proving definitively that youre mentally disabled
i resent european free riding, i think asia matters far more than europe, and i think its illogical to risk a broader nuclear conflict with a wounded and insecure russia that should be a natural ally vis-a-vis china
these are obvious points people have made forever. its easier to say im arguing in bad faith than to try and prove that 1+1=29822882 so i do get it. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:13 PM Author: razzle self-centered legend lmaooooooooooooooooo
is this mandy? |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:13 PM Author: Sinister Doobsian Round Eye youre a retarded homosexual (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214188) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 1:45 PM Author: black boyish garrison blood rage Lol at this 80 IQ mouth breather bragging about his "three digit IQ." You clearly have not thought about this at all.
Let's take the very pessimistic assumption that there is no benefit to the U.S. from having all of the wealthiest countries in the Western world treaty-bound to defend us if we are attacked. (Side note: The only time Article V has ever been invoked was when the U.S. was attacked on 9/11.) The EU is one of our largest trading partners. And people who have never opened history books forget the fact that up until 1945, the history of Europe was just one war after another. The main purpose of NATO/the EU/European integration was not to defend against the Commies (although that was a big part of it). It was to integrate Europe so tightly that additional European wars would be unthinkable.
And it has been an absolutely unbelievable success. If you looked at a European history book in 1945 and said that there would not be another major war in Europe for another 80 years, they would have locked you in the loony bin. But yet here we are.
The reason to defend Ukraine is not because we care about the Donbas or Ukraine more generally. The objective is to show every future revanchist autocrat in Europe that if you try to violate the post-World War 2 order, the consequences are going to be so severe that you don't even want to think about it. Even if you don't think that saving European lives counts for anything, a stable and prosperous Europe will continue to buy iPhones and Teslas and watch Hollywood movies. And the cost of sending some weapons to Ukraine is trivial compared to the economic benefit to the U.S. from trading with a stable and prosperous Europe. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 4:15 PM Author: Sinister Doobsian Round Eye You started to frame NATO as something other than a mechanism for allowing Europe to free ride on US defense spending (which every single post world war president has complained about). I couldn’t keep reading, unfortunately.
China is the closest other great power and it can’t even project naval power across the Taiwan strait. good thing Poland is in nato with us so they can help fend off China when they try to trek across the Pacific Ocean with a bunch of fishing boats though
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:02 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse "why isnt ok for folks to drag biden through the streets like some deposed arab despot over this"
Most Americans can't find Ukraine on the map and nothing related to foreign policy positions on Ukraine are going to matter to most people, at least not directly and so long as US isn't directly involved in sending troops. However, the fallout related to the economy and such could absolutely cause instability.
I'll also note that "arab despots" are typically overthrown due to bad economic conditions and often with outside influence fueling the fire (specifically, our intel agencies). |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 11:53 AM Author: Curious Whorehouse Rate XO Orban's response: https://twitter.com/PM_ViktorOrban/status/1649364183538974720
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:03 PM Author: soul-stirring costumed cuck Hungarians do have a lot to fear from a Ukraine that wins this war, its true (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214127) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:06 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse They also are never going to agree to die fighting Russia for Ukraine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214148) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:07 PM Author: soul-stirring costumed cuck They are going to get their shit took in the Carpathians if Russia does not win so yeah I agree (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214152) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:03 PM Author: tripping blathering business firm international law enforcement agency So there goes any incentive for Russia to back down. But then again no one in Biden admin wanted peace. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214129) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:04 PM Author: soul-stirring costumed cuck Yup the gloves are finally coming off and it's "over" for "the" Ukraine - this was the final red line. Expect big things to happen in two weeks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214133) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:05 PM Author: razzle self-centered legend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214142) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:07 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214150) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:06 PM Author: Duck-like hall azn Buy sunblock stock NOW (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214144) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:08 PM Author: Bearded cerebral pistol LMAO Ukraine will never, and I repeat, NEVER, become a member of NATO. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214159) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:09 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214165) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:33 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215004) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:11 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse By the way, the reason this is happening is not because Ukraine is actually going to become a NATO member, but that there's a bunch of bad news coming from the front lines for Ukraine and NATO wants them to keep fighting anyway. This is sending them "hope." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214170) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:14 PM Author: razzle self-centered legend Yes TMF, the walls are closing in, Kharkov will belong to the czar in no time! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214197) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:15 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse You're confusing me with Are Reptile with the czar talk and all that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214204) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:23 PM Author: primrose police squad I've never been able to keep you two straight (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214365) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 1:53 PM Author: Duck-like hall azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214797) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:31 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214994) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:25 PM Author: Odious Foreskin they’re both fags, but unlike are reptile TMF actually believes the shit he posts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215328) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 5:40 PM Author: Violet nursing home You’re the dumbfuck who assured us Kyiv’s fall was imminent. Sit the rest of the war out in your “hot tub pond” you fucking moron. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215943) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:27 PM Author: Chest-beating market sweet tailpipe russia files ex post facto motion with united nations supreme court to keep nato from interfering with its war with ukraine granted |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 12:29 PM Author: drab disturbing lodge it's like the couple that are fucking but they won't make it official until 3 years in (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214403) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 1:24 PM Author: Sooty domesticated box office people who are hurt i enjoyed russiacucks' meltdown ITT.
"poking the bear"
bruh the bear never existed it was just an old dog in some rags barking about "muh nukes"
fucking tell me when Russia finishes taking Bakhmut in month 14 of its epic war. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:28 PM Author: hairraiser lilac parlour keepsake machete no one is scared of russia's conventional military. people are worried about pushing them into a corner and deploying nukes. just because their tanks are poorly maintained doesn't mean their nuclear arsenal is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214981) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:32 PM Author: soul-stirring costumed cuck Hm top redditor "gunneratttt" is an authority on the russian nuclear arsenal, he's read a lot of upvoted posts about it! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46214999) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:41 PM Author: hairraiser lilac parlour keepsake machete are you? is anybody? after going to war because iraq 100% had WMDs i'm not really confident in the intelligence community. it's definitely plausible that russia's ICBM's are shit now. but why would we risk worldwide nuclear devastation on that because of some eastern european backwater? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215046) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:45 PM Author: Odious Foreskin the US has completely infiltrated the Russian government. we hear everything and we sure as fuck would know well in advance if they were even thinking about reaching for the red button (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215082) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:47 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse Same US government that fucked up dealing with the Taliban, a bunch of people with a tech level lower than your typical Texas militia? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215097) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:51 PM Author: Odious Foreskin this is about Russia. the Taliban have honor and integrity compared to Russian bureaucrats who would sell their own country out for a lake house in Europe
Lmao look where the Russian defense budget is going towards
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:55 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse Are you pretending that Ukraine is not even more corrupt than that?
In any event, the war is forcing Russia to take anti-corruption seriously for the first time. Ukraine? Not so much. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:57 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
You're asking a guy who calls Russians "mongrelized subhuman orcs" and pretends that Ukrainians (like his wife) are blonde blue eyed Aryan ubermen even though the two populations are basically genetically identical
Ironically, he himself also happens to be a 5'4" brown-skinned Mexican who moved to Ukraine specifically to fuck prostitutes (like his wife) because he couldn't get laid in America |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:00 PM Author: Odious Foreskin Ukraine has been fighting corruption for years, including recently
link to any Russian anti corruption drive? I just gave you a very recent example of one of the main Russian generals being obscenely corrupt, not to mention Shoigu’s shenanigans, and you mumble some bs |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:02 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse "Ukraine has been fighting corruption for years"
I'm so glad I wasn't drinking when I read this. That could have ended badly. JFC, do you get Shareblue style talking points on this nonsense? |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:05 PM Author: Odious Foreskin no comment on Ivanova’s wife? or are you just jealous of their lifestyle from your swamp? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215196) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:17 PM Author: Odious Foreskin TMF? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215277) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:24 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse I have no idea what's real and what's propaganda but I tend to assume all senior politicians in that part of the world are corrupt. I'm sure they're way richer than I am. But then again, take a look at what happens to the likes of Al Gore and Obama once they leave office. Same shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215322) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:26 PM Author: Odious Foreskin lmao leave office… 1/2 of the Russian defense budget is straight up stolen
and that’s fine until you’re going up against NATO weapons and 500k pissed off ukrainains |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:28 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse I've got bad news about how the US defense budget works. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215354) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:29 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
"1/2 of the Russian defense budget is straight up stolen"
CR, and in that way, we're totally different -- shit like that would never happen here in America!
Anyway brb gotta go drop my fatigues and take a shit in an ULTRALUXURIOUS $500,000 military toilet. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:49 PM Author: hairraiser lilac parlour keepsake machete (colin powell)
we fucked up with wmds when iraq was allowing us to inspect for them. how can you be the least bit confident in what the intelligence community says about russian nuclear strength? |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:53 PM Author: Odious Foreskin have you been paying attention since February 2022? US IC has been spot on, mostly because Russians have zero integrity or loyalty to anyone or anything expect the might USD
ghastly people |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:58 PM Author: hairraiser lilac parlour keepsake machete i think gathering information on military strategy, condition of equipment, etc. is far easier than getting ultra-state secrets like their nuclear arsenal. i've seen the IC fail over and over again my entire adult life. i wouldn't risk 1% chance of nuclear war to directly intervene in ukraine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215162) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:03 PM Author: Odious Foreskin who’s talking about directly intervening?
we are supporting a (flawed) democratic country fight off a mongrel invasion from the East with no risk to our troops. if that isn’t worth a “1%” increase in some supposed risk for a 90% reduction in the mongrels’ conventional military capability then I don’t know what to tell you |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:06 PM Author: hairraiser lilac parlour keepsake machete if they joined nato we would have to directly intervene to honor the alliance.
you seem to have a particular animus towards russians for ethnic reasons. i really don't care and would like to just hold hands and sing kumbaya. spend us money addressing the myriad of domestic problems we have than treating life like it's a game of EU4. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:09 PM Author: Odious Foreskin they will join NATO only after Russia is defeated, numbnuts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215224) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:11 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse So like I said, the day before never. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215247) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:13 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
"you seem to have a particular animus towards russians for ethnic reasons."
You're literally (literally) talking to a ~5'4" tall shit-brown Mexican/Guatamalan man who emigrated to Ukraine as a grown adult specifically to "fuck whores." That's not a joke.
So yeah, I don't think his problem with "Russians" stems from some deep-seated "ethnic" tensions... |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:40 PM Author: Odious Foreskin have you games this out?
when they want the Baltic’s and say they will nuke us, what do we do then?
then when they want control over Poland?
letting them take Ukraine would be nothing short of Chamberlain level appeasement, full stop |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:45 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
CR, they need to be stopped and frankly they need to be invaded and taught a lesson.
When do you think that will happen, btw? Since they've now been exposed as a paper tiger that can't do shit. We don't have any reason not to invade them and teach them a lesson, so what's stopping us? |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:46 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse Schrodinger's Russia: where it simultaneously is a loser that can't ever capture Ukraine, we'll just bring them into NATO, whatever, but is also such a crazy threat that it can take over all of Europe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215093) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:49 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
Schrodinger's War: Where this pathetic attempt at an invasion is basically over already because Putin is now on death's door (for the second year in a row) and Russia is alllllmooooosssssstttttt out of ammo (" " " ")...
...but, also, simultaneously, America URGENTLY needs to send Zelenskyyy another massive $500,000,000 aid package BY TOMORROW in order to help bolster Ukrainian defense efforts, THIS IS SUPER DUPER IMPORTANT THERE'S NO TIME TO WASTE DEBATING ANY OF THIS. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:56 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215145) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:50 PM Author: hairraiser lilac parlour keepsake machete (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215121) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:56 PM Author: Odious Foreskin disingenuous scum lmao
I’m talking about capitulating to their every Russian wish cuz muh nukes omg
obviously it took you fags years to control Chechnya, which is Russia, and you can’t even take Bakhmut after a year, so you have zero chance to win anywhere without nukes. so Russiacucks worried about nukes and WWIII are just timid and that’s all
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:01 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse I mean when you get down to it Ukraine is also historical Russian land so it isn't really any different than Chechnya except in size/scale and foreign support. Even right down to the fact that millions of Ukrainians fled during the war to Russia, not even including the people that chose to live in Russian held territory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215173) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:08 PM Author: Odious Foreskin TMF, never not defending a defunct empire. even the one that persecuted your ancestors and sent you ugly mongrels running to the US
such a sad little boy you are |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:11 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse At least I'm not paid (not very much) to post total nonsense about a people I have no relation to and that I'm not actually going to risk my skin for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215244) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:17 PM Author: Odious Foreskin you’re defending the literal dregs of the earth mongrels who murder children on the reg and behead people with zero repercussions
a very honorable thing, indeed |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:23 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse Ukrainians openly brag about killing Russian civilians, talk about ethnic cleansing if they ever retake Donetsk and Crimea (they won't) but they certainly bragged about what they did to those they deemed "collaborators" around Kharkov who DARED do things like accept Russian food parcels (they didn't evacuate along with Russian troops because it never occurred to them they would get labeled collaborators by neo-Nazi battalions and tortured/killed). The most remarkable thing is that in return, most (no, not all) of the Russian "war crimes" are entirely made up.
I suspect that once this is over stories of the shit that went down that was NATO funded will start to seep out. This happens after all of these dumb wars. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:28 PM Author: Odious Foreskin lmao @ you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215351) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:29 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse Great (non)retort. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215358) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:48 PM Author: hairraiser lilac parlour keepsake machete why was chamberlain the one negotiating with hitler? because it was a EUROPEAN PROBLEM. and the US, very wisely, stayed out of it until our support was necessary. and what happened? we arose as the world's leading super power and had an unprecedented economic miracle.
it's not our business. let UN or european countries deal with european problems. it is unconscionable that we spend american lives and money on this so that wealthy european countries don't have to. american is not a rich company. it is a country with a handful of rich people and corporations and millions of working poor.
also, in one poast you're saying the russia military is a pathetic husk and the next one you're saying they're like pre-WW2 germany. which one is it? if they are in such pisspoor shape then why is our support even necessary? |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:10 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse "and the US, very wisely, stayed out of it until our support was necessary"
Actually, I'll go farther than that. We largely stayed out of it until directly attacked at Pearl Harbor. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:20 PM Author: Odious Foreskin we should have marched on Moscow. that way scum like you and your family would have stayed there instead of running to our white country (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215295) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:29 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse I'm sure your family in Mexico or wherever they were would have loved to watch that if they had TVs or electricity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215363) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:44 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse "no one is scared of russia's conventional military"
One thing to keep in mind here is that the West has thrown in hundreds of billions of dollars/euros to knock Russia out of Ukraine and Russia is still advancing. There's a huge psyops push to pretend that this is some huge Russian failure but the amount of resources spent to fight them has been phenomenal and they're still fighting and nowhere near spent. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:46 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
Huh? What are you talking about, retard? The war is over, Russia lost.
(BTW on a totally unrelated note, we NEED to send Zelenskyyy another $500 million TOMORROW, this is URGENT!) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:49 PM Author: Odious Foreskin hundreds of billions lmao
in direct military assistance it’s like $60 billion combined from US/EU, and Russia is advancing maximum one street per week in one small sliver of Donbas
and that’s after Russia retreated like bitches since April of last year
all your child killing, head hunting mongrel compatriots are gonna die or retreat back to their shithole country very soon. and hopefully we send mongrels like you and your ratfaced wife back to Russia too |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:52 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
"[Russians]... are gonna die or retreat back to their shithole country very soon"
Wow, when is "very soon," btw? Can we get a year? Is it this year? Next year? |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:57 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse So you want to go on record for when "very soon" is going to be? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215151) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:59 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
He's a little busy right now but he'll definitely circle back and respond to this question just like he always circles back and responds to my questions about why he's an ultra-nationalist ex-military proud Ukrainian patriot on the internet (who lives in Kiev), but oddly he hasn't ever bothered to actually join the fight for his beloved adopted homeland IRL |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:03 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215185) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:10 PM Author: Odious Foreskin in three days, of course 🤣 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215228) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:11 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
Zing! Gottem.jpg
But seriously though, just between you and me, when is the real date here? |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:12 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215249) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 4:10 PM Author: Smoky Principal's Office Jew I am firmly on the anti-war side, but this argument is trash. The West is intentionally limiting Ukraine’s ability to strike at distance.
This war has revealed that the US + key allies would capture Moscow in days if both sides were limited to conventional warfare. The problem with this reality is that it makes Russia more likely to use nuclear weapons in response to the threat of a direct conventional conflict with the West.
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:34 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
CR, Russia is a paper tiger they can't do shit.
...so when are we invading *their* borders, btw? I really think they need to be taught a lesson about what that's like. Fuck them! I mean, America hasn't hesitated to invade a bunch of other countries in the last few decades, time to head over to Russia!
So when is that happening, now that they've been exposed as a paper tiger who can't do shit? You want to give us an estimate? I'll take a year -- this year? Next year? 2025? Surely before 2025, right? I mean, they can't do shit and they sorely need to be taught a lesson, everyone agrees! |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:41 PM Author: Motley hell factory reset button (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215052) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:45 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215084) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:37 PM Author: jade effete church prole clown world! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215019) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:38 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
Wow this is really big news.
So when will Ukraine officially be joining NATO? This year? Next year? I mean it's now clear that this is actually happening and isn't just totally meaningless bullshit talk, right? When's the big day? |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:49 PM Author: Mahogany messiness laser beams http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328295&mc=28&forum_id=2#46214574 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215111) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:54 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215120 |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:45 PM Author: Motley hell factory reset button I made a long thread about this when the war started and in it generally the consensus was if Russia nuked Kiev the rest of the world wouldn’t do shit about it.
So for all you people talking about Russia as a paper tiger how do you account for the possibility of Russia deploying nuclear weapons? If this raises the chance from .1% to .2% isn’t that unacceptable?
Edit: And by “this” I don’t mean this stupid announcement but the fevered dreams expressed by Ukraine supporters ITT of it actually joining NATO someday.
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:48 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215100) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:53 PM Author: soul-stirring costumed cuck I thought the point itt is that european problems are for europeans. If Russia nukes some europeans why would you care (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215134) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:57 PM Author: Motley hell factory reset button Weird logic to apply to the folks ITT who seem to consider this a good idea for Ukraine.
But as for me, while I think there’s a very high likelihood we’d do nothing about it such as is expressed in that thread, that’s far from certain (especially in a world where we presumably would have voted for Ukrainian entry into NATO) and so the Kiev fact pattern raises the chance for nuclear war.
That’s of course putting aside the more general risk that at any point a flare up involving Ukraine would cause Article 5 to be in play even after this war is resolved.
So if we consummated this move, we’d increase the chance for Kiev catching a nuke, at least marginally increase the chance for nuclear war involving us, but this is a good idea? |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:58 PM Author: soul-stirring costumed cuck Ok good point, we should let Russia have its "sphere of influence", defined as everywhere that Russia wants to control but has a 0.02% chance of throwing a nuke when it starts to lose the invasion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215159) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:01 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
This "b-b-but where do we DRAW the LINE" kike-tier kvetching is really compelling, IMO.
"B-b-but if we let America invade Mexico when Mexico wants to join a military alliance with China, how do we know America won't be invading Peru next?!"
Wow great point, Ari. I guess America will just have to let Mexico join a military alliance with China if Mexico wants to do that, I mean, that's the way it's gonna have to be in the modern world going forward, IMO. Right?.... Ari?.... |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:01 PM Author: Motley hell factory reset button Well NATO already has a large border with Russia. So your appeal to absurdity doesn’t really work here. We actually hemmed in Russia very well with NATO, just not w/r/t places like Belarus, Ukraine and the Caucasus that, well, you can understand why Russia would feel like those are in its backyard.
So yea Russia gets to flex its foreign policy in these former Russian Empire/Soviet bloc countries the same way we feel comfortable flexing…pretty much everywhere else. That means nuclear war is virtually off the table. Or we can fuck around in their tiny sphere and find out. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:10 PM Author: soul-stirring costumed cuck Yeah good point, and if all these former soviet countries which inexplicably want nothing to do with Based Russia don't like being in this new sphere and get their own nuclear weapons, I guess we'll just have to improvise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215233) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:12 PM Author: Motley hell factory reset button Huh? Get their own nukes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215255) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:15 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse Basically, this a way of saying that NATO will start sneak proliferation, as though this won't result in Russia spreading nuclear tech all over the world too. All fun and games until Mexican cartels suddenly have tactical nukes and can blow up NYC if the US doesn't release their fave kingpin. Or until our next move in Syria results in a mushroom cloud. This is SURELY the way forward to peace! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215267) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:19 PM Author: Motley hell factory reset button (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215290) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 4:33 PM Author: soul-stirring costumed cuck Why would NATO need to sneak proliferation? If based patriots declared that Russia can occupy Finland why wouldn't the finns make their own WMD? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215667) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:07 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse Maybe declaring that we control the world is fucking dumb and inevitably going to result in WW3. Why is it that only the West has "spheres of influence" and can change regimes whenever we feel like it but countries can't push back on changes pushed by our own intel agencies right on their own borders in lands they historically controlled? It makes zero sense, and it makes even less sense to risk thermonuclear war over. Especially for shit our own populations aren't actually willing to fight for (Ukraine, Taiwan, etc.). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215213) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:11 PM Author: hairraiser lilac parlour keepsake machete it's neocolonialism where all the countries in our "sphere of influence" are essentially vassal states that exist to enrich (a very select group) of americans.
of course, ukraine-loving libs profess to hate this stuff, but they're gnashing their teeth over sending us forces to ukraine because "putin bad man". |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:12 PM Author: soul-stirring costumed cuck Whoa man yeah don't like colonialism, that's why russia needs a sphere of influence and Amerikkka needs to back off (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215256) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:23 PM Author: hairraiser lilac parlour keepsake machete it's ironic you are dogging me for being a (former, 10 year retired) redditor when you are spouting the exact shitlib npc talking points that i could copy and paste from /r/politics that caused me to leave the site. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215309) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:12 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
"a very select group of americans"
We can say "Jews" here, brother. XO isn't Reddit. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:13 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse Ukraine-loving libs are the definition of useful idiots. There's a reason you see them with masks and jabs on their twitter profiles. When this all goes tits up they'll switch to Taiwanese flags next. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215263) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:19 PM Author: Odious Foreskin try having a GDP larger than Florida before you try to make claims over 100 millions people outside your borders 🤣🤣 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215288) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:26 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse So it isn't that you object to spheres of influence or any of that, you just think Russia doesn't have a high enough GDP to fight this war, which you've been saying since day 1 and has been wrong. Here we are, over a year later, and Russia is showing 0 sign of running out of anything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215337) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:29 PM Author: Odious Foreskin 🤣🤣🤣🤣
god damn you are a dumb fuck, TMF |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:04 PM Author: Sooty domesticated box office people who are hurt concern troll. Ukraine deserves to be free of the russian yoke and if they want to join NATO more the merrier.
if you let russia play the bully they'll keep doing it. collectively everyone decided Ukraine (2022) was the last straw, and so it shall be. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:06 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
Can you define "last straw"? Does that mean Russia needs to be fully expelled from Ukraine before the fighting can be allowed to end? Does that mean Russia needs to have its own borders invaded in order to teach it a lesson?
Just curious, I always enjoy taking the temperature of just how deep the naive insanity runs on the other side of this debate (even as you call us "delusional morons"). |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:18 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse "Ukraine deserves"
I always love this. Here's a reality check. You live in the US and that's a good thing because if you still lived in Ukraine then you wouldn't be allowed to leave the country. You could be grabbed off the street and sent to whatever hole they decided, with or without weapons. If you protested they could kill you on the spot. This is significantly worse than the situation for people in Russia, btw.
But you're here so you post this nonsense about what Zelinsky's government "deserves" as though it isn't a pawn in a long-planned game and those in the country have zero say in the matter. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:20 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
No, Ukraine *deserves* freedom and security and peace. That's settled political science, and that's definitely how the real world ackkkkshually works in 2023.
This whole war is a lot like that one amazing scene in "Star Wars: The Empire Dies Another Day," when Luke Skywalker's disabled (but magical) obese gay half-black younger sister bravely defeats the army of evil CGI Stormtro.... |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:28 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse Oh woooow, you're right. But I really see this as more like in the Harry Potter galaxy when a trans wizard was picked on by Voldemort and then Harry Potter showed up and... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215349) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:31 PM Author: Motley hell factory reset button (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215372) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:31 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
OMG yeah I totes stan that scene (awesomesauce!), but now that I think about it, I think this is really more of a "Game of Thrones" situation. This article explains why:
http://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5190377&mc=52&forum_id=2#45154886 |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:48 PM Author: Sooty domesticated box office people who are hurt this is what people believe. sure the US is playing a cynical game here but to the benefit not detriment of ukraine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215461) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 7:52 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse There is no monolithic Ukraine. The benefit is to Zelinsky and maybe his closest associate. Others in the country suffer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46217131) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:50 PM Author: Odious Foreskin TMF posting firsthand accounts is hilarious
🤣🤣 |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:19 PM Author: Motley hell factory reset button So you’re confident that if Ukraine joins NATO and Russia, say, sends troops into the Donbas, we will treat that territory as if it were soil of any member state and retaliate? Because right now Article 5 has never been tested like that, so it’s a credible threat to Russia that we’d start WW3 if it invaded any member country. If we let in a country like Ukraine and there is even a chance we hesitate on a decision like that, we lose that bright line deterrence. And ironically, that would embolden Russia.
But I’m sure you’ve accounted for that in your analysis. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:33 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse This is exactly what these guys don't realize. If you actually want Russia to be open to a peace agreement then this is the absolute worst way to encourage that. If you're in the Russian government then any permanent peace means Ukraine joins NATO, is further emboldens, and the war is likely to return but next time with actual NATO troops on the ground. Therefore, whether you want to keep fighting or not you absolutely have a duty to until Ukraine stops existing.
This is why I think the entire purpose of this is to a) try to keep the Ukrainians fighting despite all the bad news coming out of the country, especially since they tried to claim there were initial gains in the "counter-offensive" that turned out to be totally false, and b) create a situation where Russia won't push too hard for a peace either. This basically keeps the war going for the foreseeable future. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:47 PM Author: Motley hell factory reset button That is also a very cr here. Again, these egghead Ukraine supporters undoubtedly have thought of that and this more than them just saying yolo in the face of a nuclear arsenal.
But my point was actually the opposite of that one and demonstrates that either way we all lose. Yes, Russia has to account for that possibility and there is a chance that we actually would invoke Article 5 if that happened. But also a likely scenario is we’d let Ukraine in but then be hesitant to defend a place like Donbas. If that happens we might as well kiss NATO goodbye.
So yes this prolongs the war by placing Russia in a bind, it risks Russia escalating the war in ways we don’t want, it risks NATO ending up at war with Russia over territory that isn’t meaningful strategically to NATO, and it risks that there is a fissure that opens in Article 5 deterrence, all so that a bunch of libs who would never dream of picking up a gun and fighting can beat their chests on Twitter. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:50 PM Author: Sooty domesticated box office people who are hurt "So you’re confident that if Ukraine joins NATO and Russia, say, sends troops into the Donbas, we will treat that territory as if it were soil of any member state and retaliate?"
yes.
"Because right now Article 5 has never been tested like that"
I know, Ukraine is even in NATO. It isnt even really a prospective member given the situation. But here we are. The US/West are funding its economy and its war effort.
"If we let in a country like Ukraine and there is even a chance we hesitate on a decision like that, we lose that bright line deterrence. And ironically, that would embolden Russia. "
'a country like that' you mean like czechia, slovakia, poland, estonia, latvia, lithuania, finland hungary, unified germany? |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:55 PM Author: Motley hell factory reset button How dumb do you have to be to conflate funding a war effort and invoking Article 5 as if it’s your own soil being invaded, and to conflate Ukraine (esp) Donbas) and Germany? Serious question. How bad was the concussion? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215504) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 4:05 PM Author: Sooty domesticated box office people who are hurt the baltics were as much part of the USSR as was Ukraine.
Poland is the home of the Warsaw Pact.
And for Ukraine, we are sending hundreds--thousands of vehicles, billions of dollars, millions of rounds of ammunition, some of our best AA weapons.
IMAGINE what we would do for an actual NATO member.
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Date: April 21st, 2023 4:33 PM Author: Motley hell factory reset button Yea good thing all of world history starts in 1945 and ends in 1991!
At least you’ve backed off the most absurd pieces of your poast like your reference to Germany.
You don’t know anything about Russian history if you think those countries are on equal footing to Ukraine in the minds of Russians.
And you’re ignoring the intervening years since 1991 when these countries were admitted into NATO and there had been a lengthy period that they’ve been member countries without open conflict involving occupied parts of their countries that include ethnic Russians.
Again, the idea that we’re finding a proxy war is very different from the Article 5 commitment to defend Ukraine as if we were attacked. If Poland or Estonia were invaded by Russia tomorrow, I would expect us to put boots on the ground. Or at least that the deterrent message. How can you be sure we’d do the same with Ukraine? |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 4:45 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
You're talking to a very proud ethnically and culturally Polish man (read into that statement what you will) who readily admits that he is VERY emotional about this issue, to the point that he would genuinely support a boots-on-the-ground full-scale military invasion of Moscow using American troops, "consequences be damned." In fact, he's said so many times before on XO.
Just FYI. Things start to make a little more sense when you step back and realize who is actually arguing against you from behind the other screen (usually it's a "haha wow holy shit" moment IMO). |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 4:49 PM Author: Motley hell factory reset button Thank you. No kidding you probably saved me some time arguing with this retard further. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215737) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 4:51 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215741) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:56 PM Author: Odious Foreskin we need to understand that there is no chance of WWIII with Ukraine. it’s either Russia decides to use nukes because they can’t beat their neighbor (they can’t) or they withdraw
in a conventional war the US alone sends Russia packing over a long weekend |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 4:04 PM Author: Motley hell factory reset button I’m talking about future state where Ukraine is a member of NATO and Russia tries something. Because the alternative here would be we admit a country while under partial foreign occupation which makes no sense.
So your answer is a bizarre nonsequitur. Yes there is a chance of WWIII if Russia invaded Ukraine as a NATO ally and that causes us to invoke Article 5. At best your answer suggests that we would not invoke Article 5 to avoid WWII which is also dangerous and self defeating because it makes Article 5 a sham. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 2:59 PM Author: Flickering Love Of Her Life Candlestick Maker *after the current war. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215165) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:05 PM Author: Adventurous doctorate *fart* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215199) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:27 PM Author: obsidian dilemma corn cake Wow so Putin’s paranoia was totally off base (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215346) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:30 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
I'm just glad that he's literally a drooling screaming vegetable sitting around in diapers right now (because of his advanced terminal cancer) so he isn't even really capable of seeing and understanding any of this.
That's all true, btw.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/diaper-wearing-vladimir-putin-suffered-nervous-breakdown-after-switching-to-stronger-cancer-medicine-kremlin-insiders-claim/ar-AA1a7U5E?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=97a65d6435534766b162d3a866a90ff5&ei=12 |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:30 PM Author: Odious Foreskin yeah cuz NATO wasn’t on Russia’s border many years ago….
Ukraine is about Russia trying to hold onto its feeble empire. has nothing to do with NATO unless you think being 100-200km close to Moscow is cause for a massive land war |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:31 PM Author: obsidian dilemma corn cake Western leaders want every single Ukrainian dead apparently (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215374) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:33 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse I think they see two possibilities:
1. Ukraine loses. This is likely but at least Russia will acquire only a bombed out country with much of the useful population dead. They will have to spend heavily to obtain their victory. Dead Ukrainians are preferable to people joining the Russians as they did post-WW2.
2. Ukraine wins. Unlikely but then given the way our "assistance" is structured the West will own Ukraine and the survivors will fight in NATO. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:34 PM Author: Odious Foreskin same for Finns right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215386) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:54 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse OMG BUT WHAT ABOUT MOLDOVA. Jfc, wtf does that have to do with anything? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215499) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:58 PM Author: Odious Foreskin we expanded NATO to Finland and Russia didn’t do a fucking thing. massive border there and Russian occupied territory that Finland wants back
why would Ukraine joining NATO at some indeterminate date in the future cause any reaction? |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 4:02 PM Author: obsidian dilemma corn cake You’re a literal Mexican. Russia is in Ukraine right now. Western saber rattling about joining NATO makes it harder to negotiate peace and makes it more likely that Russia will continue killing Ukrainians and pursue more territory for defensive reasons. Hence, western leaders must want more Ukrainians to be killed. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 4:09 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
He's not even Mexican, he's like Guatemalan or something. Mexico probably wouldn't even let him into their country through their own southern border.
Otherwise, CR |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 9:02 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46219501) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 9:01 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse Because Finland isn't Ukraine. Ukraine was a core holding of Russia and was ruled from Moscow during the USSR. They didn't even care about Finland enough to push taking it post WW2. Since the fall of the USSR, Finland was increasingly abandoning neutrality anyway and by now they were NATO in all but name. That has nothing to do with Russia's reaction to places like Ukraine and Belarus. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46219498) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:35 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
OK this was fun guys and as usual the retarded Trumpkin Putinmos got BLOWN THE FUCK OUT (great job everyone), but now that we're done with all that, back to the original question:
When is Ukraine *actually* being inducted into NATO? I want to plan a party, but I didn't see any actual date indicated in this glorious and triumphant press release. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:39 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse For extra credit: when is Ukraine going to expel those "mongrel" Russians and then start advancing into Russian territory to "teach them a lesson?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215407) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:40 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
I hear from a really smart and popular guy (also a highly credible source, jacked ex-military stud who literally lives in Kiev) that the answer here is "very soon," although he hasn't had a chance to clarify exactly what that means as far as a firm date. But surely sometime in the next few months, if not sooner, I would imagine. Tick tock! |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:43 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse I'm sort of surprised that the Ukrainians suddenly stopped touting their "counter-offensive" that just started. I can't imagine why. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215433) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:55 PM Author: Sooty domesticated box office people who are hurt *squat dances through the piles of MAF poasters about a country fighting an invading army with the aid of its neighbors and friends* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215506) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 3:58 PM Author: Odious Foreskin as always, it’s all Jews and various mudbloods supporting a mongrel invasion of Europe
nothing new under the sun |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 4:02 PM Author: Sooty domesticated box office people who are hurt if you'd told me in 2021 that XO poasters en masse would bemoan a white, christian, european country fighting off a russian invasion with the aid of europe and the US, presrving its culture and its heritage, i would have laughed it off.
truly shocking. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 4:05 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
Relatedly, it's been really shocking and amazing to watch the entire (((((Zionist American MSM Apparatus)))) go 100% ALL IN on FULLY SUPPORTING "a white, christian, european country fighting off" some filthy mongrelized invading army in order to "preserve its culture and heritage" -- costs be damned!
What the hell made the rabidly anti-white, anti-Christian, anti-traditionalist cabal of spiteful hook-nosed kikes who own and control MSNBC, WaPo, NYT, etc so goddamn based?! |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 4:09 PM Author: Sooty domesticated box office people who are hurt "What the hell suddenly made the notoriously evil and spiteful Jews who run MSNBC, WaPo, NYT, etc so goddamn based?!"
Russia sent an army into Ukraine potentially destabilizing Eastern Europe and sabre-rattling about taking the Baltics and Poland, etc.
And that being done with the threat that nuclear weapons will be used.
Is that supposed to be a trick question? |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 4:11 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
Damn, I guess suddenly those rich media kikes (who famously despise white people and traditional white culture and want to see it all literally eradicated ASAP) just decided to do an abrupt 180 on those two key issues and instead pull out their massive checkbooks and financially support valiant efforts to preserve white life and traditional white culture, in this one special and unique and particular instance.
Very based of them!
Thanks for explaining this to me, my Polish friend. Thanks to your wisdom and brilliant insights, it all makes sense now IMO. |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 5:40 PM Author: razzle self-centered legend 50% of this thread is now TBF and a Russian Jew pumo blank-bumping each other in a circlejerk. Great stuff! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46215942) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 7:59 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
Thankfully, the other 50% was a bunch of highly intelligent and extremely well-educated insightful 'Ukrainemos' making a lot of smart and nuanced points that are pretty much always backed up by realwoLOL sorry I couldn't even finish typing that one out |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 8:08 PM Author: razzle self-centered legend *cue TMF blank bump of this steaming turd in 3...2...* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46217816) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 8:33 PM Author: confused macaca Lol @ based to be queer having the same opinion as retarded kike TMF (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46219277) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 8:36 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
Thanks for the input, online liberal Jewish man!
(PS: Don't forget to schedule your next booster shot, FLW ;)) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 8:43 PM Author: confused macaca (Self hating jewish retard) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46219463) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 8:45 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
Lol FLW |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 8:48 PM Author: Motley hell factory reset button Do you support Ukraine’s entry to NATO? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46219467) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 8:51 PM Author: Amber Passionate Abode Quadroon To be fair,
(Insert a snarky rejoinder that doesn't actually respond to this question -- odd case -- but does end with him devastatingly calling you a "chink" or a "gook," or maybe going full throttle and commanding you to "go back to China, Chang")
You've made a powerful enemy by calling out FLW like this, btw. He'll never forget! |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 9:37 PM Author: confused macaca Looks like it really pisses off jewish retards like are reptile, TMF and To Be Kike so yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46221210) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 9:21 PM Author: exhilarant wild location Lol I don't even think libs give a shit about the Ukraine anymore, just the Jews printing money off of the war. I guess we know who is in control. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46220354) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 9:24 PM Author: Marvelous really tough guy skinny woman Could see some kind of negotiated settlement where russia keeps what they have while ukraine joins NATO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46220366) |
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Date: April 21st, 2023 9:30 PM Author: Curious Whorehouse There's no way Russia would accept that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5328307&forum_id=2#46220793) |