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what's more credited neurosurg or mathematician/physicist
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Date: May 26th, 2013 6:37 PM Author: White razzmatazz parlour keepsake machete just wondering, i'm dumb as shit so not gonna be either (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2266238&forum_id=2#23273962) |
Date: May 26th, 2013 6:38 PM Author: Internet-worthy area mediation what do you mean by credited?
hopefully you're aware that most mathematicians and physicists have chosen that job because they're very passionate about their field, don't give a fuck about prestige, and probably would have done poorly in other careers |
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Date: May 26th, 2013 6:40 PM Author: awkward carnelian masturbator LJL at mathematicians and physicists doing poorly in other careers. they have enough brainpower to just about any job that doesn't require patting clients on the ass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2266238&forum_id=2#23273984) |
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Date: May 26th, 2013 6:49 PM Author: Internet-worthy area mediation maybe poorly is the wrong word, but they wouldn't necessarily excel.
they also tend to be the kind of people that don't give a fuck about making 80k or 400k |
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Date: May 26th, 2013 6:44 PM Author: White razzmatazz parlour keepsake machete i'm saying, let's compare top mathematicians like the guys who get fields medals, etc.
to average joe shmucks who go to no-name med school, match neurosurg (fairly tough but not as hard as mastering real analysis, let alone becoming a top mathematician) and pulling high 6 digits in their 30's
what's more credited, simple
ok better questions, what has more value to society, what do people see as better
which requires more brainpower? two different types of personalities obviously
is there any point to studying academic math anyway? if you're a 150 iq dweeb why not go into meritocratic nsurg. you'll get beaten out by 115 iq jocks with alpha male presence and social skills? idk |
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Date: May 26th, 2013 6:53 PM Author: Internet-worthy area mediation most fields medalists do not care about making "high six figures." But actually, many fields medalists do or have the opportunity to make mid six figures, so I'm not sure money is much of an advantage.
If you think being a neurosurgeon isn't as hard as real analysis, wtf? I mean real analysis requires some slight abstract thinking skills, but surgery is an incredibly difficult thing to master.
People probably see being a neurosurgeon as being more valuable to society, which is perfectly fair. you're actually saving lives, while the vast majority of mathematicians and physicists contribute an incremental understanding of things that may never be important at all.
there is no point to being an academic mathematician unless you really love math |
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Date: May 26th, 2013 7:00 PM Author: White razzmatazz parlour keepsake machete it's mind-blowing to me how some people don't care about making money. anyway, there are only like 50 fields medalists but tons and tons of nsurgs making a lot more money with a lot less intellectual firepower. but maybe you can't say that nsurgs couldn't cut it in academic math -- all you can say is that they never had interest in algebraic topology and all that other bullshit, and they decided to go into something useful
i mean, learning surgery takes time, but you have 7 years of residency to do it. and a lot of it is scutwork (bringing attendings coffee, paperwork, etc.) that is not really learning.
what i meant by that is, it takes a couple weeks or a few months of really intense memorization to get a high step 1 score, which is all you need to match into neurosurg. but it takes at least a year to really get down real analysis pat.
so you're saying the only intellectual difference between neurosurgeons and mathematicians is basically just interest? that makes sense.
if you had the chance to be an average mathematician or an average neurosurg, what's the better route? |
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Date: May 26th, 2013 6:48 PM Author: burgundy kitty hospital there is a HUGE intellectual difference between star mathematicians and grinder low-tier mathematicians
the star mathematicians are drawn to math because it's the only area that intellectually stimulates them
for these guys, doing the work of a doctor or lawyer would be as boring as having a doctor do secretary work |
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Date: May 26th, 2013 6:48 PM Author: Internet-worthy area mediation cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2266238&forum_id=2#23274027) |
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Date: May 26th, 2013 6:52 PM Author: White razzmatazz parlour keepsake machete i have shadowed academic radiation oncologists
it is some complex high-level shit man, i dunno about saying it would be boringly easy to anyone |
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Date: May 26th, 2013 7:08 PM Author: burgundy kitty hospital (guy who has never felt the raw intellectual horsepower of an elite mathematician)
but seriously, elite math dudes find even very adjacent fields like theoretical statistics and applied mathematics BORING. i doubt they would have much trouble with medicine. |
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Date: May 26th, 2013 7:14 PM Author: White razzmatazz parlour keepsake machete just cause you find it boring doesn't mean you're above it. if it's so easy, why aren't all the major problems of theoretical statistics solved, since obviously the arithmetic geometers or whatever could have solved all their problems?
i've been around algebraic geometers, representation theorists, etc. at decent institutions. was never at mit/harvard but whatev. i knew len ng (at duke) who was a god-tier child prodigy (3x putnam all 3 years of harvard ug). sharp guy but would any top mathematician stand out in a crowd as being ultra smart? idk. maybe you're right, the mathematicians are smarter than all of us. i guess my middling iq is good enough though |
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Date: May 26th, 2013 7:17 PM Author: burgundy kitty hospital pretty sure most of the theoretical work in statistics are done by mathematicians who work in mathematical statistics. the hardest graduate class a statistics PhD candidate has to take is basically a watered down version of graduate real analysis, which is a first semester course for a math grad student.
it's not that mathematicians are "above" statistics, it's that they're above the type of work they do in statistics. mathematicians could achieve the same results but the work entails a lot of experimentation, whereas mathematicians are so smart that they CHOOSE to deal with the subject abstractly, so they concentrate on theory.
also lol @this flame, 110 IQ guy who knew lenhard ng. |
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Date: May 26th, 2013 7:27 PM Author: White razzmatazz parlour keepsake machete bro, that makes sense. i've never done a statistics phd. the question is, there are sometimes simple applications of theory that are unsolved. most mathematicians, when they choose to study pure theory, do not attempt to solve such problems. even within math, think about combinatorics or group theory and how popular they are compared to something like langlands, p-adic rep theory or category theory in a place like harvard. anyway, i'm sure that if the mathematicians cared, the unsolved stats problems would go away. you're right. but what's wrong with coming up with clever/better ways to do experimentation? or finding a theoretical way to undercut the experimentation? anyway.
also, what is flame? i'm new here. i legit knew lenny ng, i took classes with him. |
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Date: May 26th, 2013 7:30 PM Author: burgundy kitty hospital i'm 100% sure you're flame. a 110 IQ guy would not be taking graduate math classes with lenhard ng at harvard so stfu.
that's like telling a doctor that there's nothing wrong with figuring out more efficient ways to do flow charts. sure that might have a huge practical impact, but it's work that is intellectually beneath him. |
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Date: May 26th, 2013 7:35 PM Author: White razzmatazz parlour keepsake machete lenny ng is at duke dumbass, and i took classes with him as my professor
OK, i get what you're saying. guess all that math shit is above me. |
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Date: May 26th, 2013 7:39 PM Author: burgundy kitty hospital you said you "knew" him so i assumed you knew him as a peer.
if you simply took a calc I class with him as the prof, then that experience is completely irrelevant to this discussion.
also, as a 110 IQ guy, you obviously haven't learned the subjects you're name-dropping (with respect to harvard's curriculum and research areas, no less) in this thread, so another reason i called you flame |
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Date: May 26th, 2013 7:43 PM Author: White razzmatazz parlour keepsake machete the class was on surgery of 3-manifolds
yeah i'm not trying to sound smart, just listing the kind of crazy shit the mathematicians are studying |
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Date: May 26th, 2013 7:11 PM Author: aggressive bronze dopamine step-uncle's house i know a neurosurgeon very well. we used to be mere acquaintances, but now i'd say we're on friendlier terms. he's 33 and basically a fucking baller. recently put down a $25k deposit on the full-sized supercharged Range Rover for which he paid $15k over sticker, at something like $125k total. rents a house in a gated community in socal at something like $6k a month, and the house isn't even that nice. plans to purchase a house in the 1m range in the next year or two. is married with a daughter.
whenever we hang out i can't help but be insanely jealous of his life. he gets wined and dined by medical reps at the best restaurants all over the country, and sometimes gives speeches where he makes $10k for 15 minutes of his time.
the kicker? i don't think he's that much smarter than you, or me, or really, anyone else here except perhaps doobs. he's a lot smarter than doobs. |
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Date: May 26th, 2013 7:15 PM Author: White razzmatazz parlour keepsake machete exactly. who's "smarter", this guy or a mathematician making 120k studying the langlands program? idk. seems like mathematicians are the aspies and the nsurgs are striving for "real life success" (which sounds pretty damn good).
if he's 33 that means he's only been practicing nsurg for a year or two. it's fucking insane that he's that wealthy already. you sure he's only 33? |
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Date: May 26th, 2013 7:19 PM Author: aggressive bronze dopamine step-uncle's house yep, positive. he got a full-ride for both ug and med school. pretty unreal.
idk wtf the langlands program is. i'd much rather be a neurosurgeon. |
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Date: May 26th, 2013 7:28 PM Author: White razzmatazz parlour keepsake machete that's pretty sick. i'm still an ugrad, i doubt i'll be able to get into med school for free. but damn. i wonder if all nsurg's end up like him, or if he's a special case? do you know any other docs? are you sure your friend wasn't a genius? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2266238&forum_id=2#23274234) |
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Date: May 26th, 2013 7:33 PM Author: aggressive bronze dopamine step-uncle's house ANTONEEE WHY U NO STUDY RIGHT NOW? WE NO HIRE BOAT TO COME FROM SAIGON FOR U TO WORK HERTZ MANAGEMENT TRAINEE PROGRAM. U NO STUDY U NO MAKE 37 ON MCAT. U NO GO TO JAMAICA MED SCHOOL U GO TO BERKREE. U GO STUDY RIGHT NOW (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2266238&forum_id=2#23274274) |
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Date: May 26th, 2013 7:44 PM Author: Shimmering Lascivious University I know somebody who couln't cut it in undergraduate analysis 1 and she's in med school now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2266238&forum_id=2#23274353) |