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Lab rats pick stocks, beat hedge funds

http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2014/09/hed...
bearded filthpig
  09/23/14
What's the rat fund fee structure?
Out-of-control faggot firefighter mexican
  09/23/14
180
Sticky site sneaky criminal
  09/23/14
180
Spectacular Macaca
  09/23/14
A billion
Wonderful french chef
  09/23/14
Cartoon world
Floppy geriatric ceo national security agency
  09/23/14
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Glassy talking piazza
  09/23/14
How is this cartoon world? Everyone knows random beats dir...
Vibrant Alcoholic Hissy Fit
  09/23/14
lol @ the jew casino.
Jet infuriating school
  09/23/14
did you just coin this phrase?
Smoky cerebral pozpig
  09/23/14
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dark contagious state preventive strike
  09/23/14
biglaw mice getting styled on hard
Spectacular Macaca
  09/23/14
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brindle factory reset button
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walnut point chad
  09/23/14
mice: "but we did everything right!"
Galvanic pontificating bbw location
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self-centered regret
  09/23/14
Shit man I need to cop some rats
twisted background story
  09/23/14
(jew banker recruiting at HYP
brindle factory reset button
  09/23/14
the genetic twist just puts it over the top.
Sticky site sneaky criminal
  09/23/14
I would love to write the PPM for that fund. Risk Disclo...
180 center halford
  09/23/14
haha, a buddy and I were discussing this and the first thing...
Histrionic school cafeteria
  09/23/14
this actually seems reasonable. they are basically training ...
duck-like address
  09/23/14
omg i dont even know if this is fucklaw or fucklaw parody...
brindle factory reset button
  09/23/14
not fucklaw. there is a large literature about various ne...
duck-like address
  09/23/14
the only reason it's not a random pick is because it's Pavlo...
Sticky site sneaky criminal
  09/23/14
many machine learning algorithms will look pavlovian
Spectacular Macaca
  09/23/14
what does the fact it's Pavlovian have to do with anything?
duck-like address
  09/23/14
the pumo bro is right though
big onyx area digit ratio
  09/23/14
wtf
Sticky site sneaky criminal
  09/23/14
but rats can't get you the sweet insider deals, e.g. hft. th...
cerise generalized bond
  09/23/14
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-06/hedge-funds-trail-s...
duck-like address
  09/23/14
what about those studies (like the one that compares univers...
cerise generalized bond
  09/23/14
“outperformed *some* of the world’s leading human fund manag...
cerise generalized bond
  09/23/14
It's antisemitic bro
walnut point chad
  09/23/14
Wait are you implying that Jews are rats?
Glassy talking piazza
  09/23/14
http://www.rattraders.com/ 180 site "We are conti...
Motley antidepressant drug party of the first part
  09/23/14
180
bearded filthpig
  09/23/14
The idea that it's all random is appealing but this isn't re...
Arrogant cruise ship
  09/23/14
Wasn't George Costanzas fake charity The Human Fund?
ocher box office shitlib
  09/23/14
wow, very zeke morrisian
indigo station cuck
  09/23/14
omg yes
Multi-colored translucent famous landscape painting
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bearded filthpig
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Date: September 23rd, 2014 7:48 AM
Author: bearded filthpig

http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2014/09/hedge-fund-rats.html

One project is Michael Marcovici’s Rat Trader. The book describes the training of laboratory rats to trade in foreign exchange and commodity futures markets. Marcovici says the rats “outperformed some of the world’s leading human fund managers.” The rats were trained to press a red or green button to give buy or sell signals, after listening to ticker tape movements represented as sounds. If they called the market right they were fed, if they called it wrong they got a small electric shock. Male and female rats performed equally well. The second generation of rattraders, cross-bred from the best performers in the first generation, appeared to have even better performance, although this is a preliminary result, according to the text. Marcovici’s plan, he writes, is to breed enough of them to set up a hedge fund.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380387)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:10 PM
Author: Out-of-control faggot firefighter mexican

What's the rat fund fee structure?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26383972)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 7:49 AM
Author: Sticky site sneaky criminal

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380390)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 7:55 AM
Author: Spectacular Macaca

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380394)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 7:56 AM
Author: Wonderful french chef

A billion

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380395)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:03 AM
Author: Floppy geriatric ceo national security agency

Cartoon world

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380402)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:18 PM
Author: Glassy talking piazza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26384025)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 9:43 PM
Author: Vibrant Alcoholic Hissy Fit

How is this cartoon world? Everyone knows random beats directed picks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26384495)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:03 AM
Author: Jet infuriating school

lol @ the jew casino.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380405)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 11:12 AM
Author: Smoky cerebral pozpig

did you just coin this phrase?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380968)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:27 PM
Author: dark contagious state preventive strike



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26384066)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:10 AM
Author: Spectacular Macaca

biglaw mice getting styled on hard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380408)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:17 AM
Author: brindle factory reset button



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380418)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:50 AM
Author: walnut point chad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380462)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:52 AM
Author: Galvanic pontificating bbw location

mice: "but we did everything right!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380465)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:16 AM
Author: self-centered regret



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380417)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:19 AM
Author: twisted background story

Shit man I need to cop some rats

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380422)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:22 AM
Author: brindle factory reset button

(jew banker recruiting at HYP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380424)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:24 AM
Author: Sticky site sneaky criminal

the genetic twist just puts it over the top.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380426)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:27 AM
Author: 180 center halford

I would love to write the PPM for that fund.

Risk Disclosure

The trading system is dependent on rodents and their ability to hear and react to ticks. It is possible that a rodent may misinterprete the tick. There is also a possibility that the rodents will eat each other as a result of continously guessing wrong. Further, there is a risk that PETA will try to rescue the rodents or unionize them. This may result in substantial loss of profit s or actual loss to the fund.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380432)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 11:15 AM
Author: Histrionic school cafeteria

haha, a buddy and I were discussing this and the first thing we went to was PETA and unionization risks. Risk of accidental release of rat poison was also discussed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380979)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:32 AM
Author: duck-like address

this actually seems reasonable. they are basically training a complex neural network on market data, which we know can represent highly complex, non-linear functions. there is also evidence that "dumber" animals are better able to reason under uncertainty (suggesting that certain cognitive abilities have been lost in our evolution), so it wouldn't surprise me if a relatively small-brained animal was better than us at time series prediction.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380441)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:33 AM
Author: brindle factory reset button

omg

i dont even know if this is fucklaw or fucklaw parody

amazing either way

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380442)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:36 AM
Author: duck-like address

not fucklaw.

there is a large literature about various neural network architectures being used for market prediction on price data. what is so surprising about a biological version being used for the same purpose?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380447)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:38 AM
Author: Sticky site sneaky criminal

the only reason it's not a random pick is because it's Pavlovian. your poli sci shithead theories about neural nets and all that stuff are not even applicable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380450)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:41 AM
Author: Spectacular Macaca

many machine learning algorithms will look pavlovian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380452)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:48 AM
Author: duck-like address

what does the fact it's Pavlovian have to do with anything?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380460)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:11 PM
Author: big onyx area digit ratio

the pumo bro is right though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26383977)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:35 AM
Author: Sticky site sneaky criminal

wtf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380446)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:48 AM
Author: cerise generalized bond

but rats can't get you the sweet insider deals, e.g. hft. the rich still do way better in hedge funds than the average joe in vanguard, schwab, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380461)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:52 AM
Author: duck-like address

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-06/hedge-funds-trail-stocks-by-the-widest-margin-since-2005.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380464)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 9:01 AM
Author: cerise generalized bond

what about those studies (like the one that compares university endowments) that show the roi on large portfolios is much better than that on small ones?

do you think these wily hedge funds could be hiding earnings to lower taxes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380474)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 9:07 AM
Author: cerise generalized bond

“outperformed *some* of the world’s leading human fund managers."

it can't be that obvious, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380479)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 9:08 AM
Author: walnut point chad

It's antisemitic bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380481)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:21 PM
Author: Glassy talking piazza

Wait are you implying that Jews are rats?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26384039)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 9:12 AM
Author: Motley antidepressant drug party of the first part

http://www.rattraders.com/

180 site

"We are continuously crossing the best trading rats with each other in order to breed specialists in various markets for our clients. The second generation of top traders ususally shows a much better performance compared to their parents."

"The decision was correct, Lehman gets a bonus after shorting the USD."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380485)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 10:18 AM
Author: bearded filthpig

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380737)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 10:48 AM
Author: Arrogant cruise ship

The idea that it's all random is appealing but this isn't really convincing. Of course "some" managers will underperform random during certain periods of time, especially short-term.

There's also a self-reinforcing effect to stock pickers -- the fact that so many people are analyzing and picking stocks makes it hard to outperform the market precisely because the effect of all those pickers is efficiency. If you had a market without much analysis/stock-picking, skilled stock pickers would be more effective.

Hedge Funds are largely flame, but that's as much because of their fee structure as their skill, i.e. any alpha they have is going to be cancelled out or more by their expense.

One other point -- this just says "human fund managers" -- that could also be mutual funds.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380872)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 11:27 AM
Author: ocher box office shitlib

Wasn't George Costanzas fake charity The Human Fund?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26381031)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 10:50 AM
Author: indigo station cuck

wow, very zeke morrisian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380881)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:25 PM
Author: Multi-colored translucent famous landscape painting

omg yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26384061)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:08 PM
Author: bearded filthpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26383960)