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Lab rats pick stocks, beat hedge funds

http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2014/09/hed...
Umber elite dog poop school
  09/23/14
What's the rat fund fee structure?
Sinister Jap Business Firm
  09/23/14
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Spectacular chest-beating corn cake
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twisted cowardly antidepressant drug
  09/23/14
A billion
Rose Circlehead
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Cartoon world
wonderful angry meetinghouse rigpig
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Diverse haunting range
  09/23/14
How is this cartoon world? Everyone knows random beats dir...
supple tattoo
  09/23/14
lol @ the jew casino.
arrogant hot wrinkle school cafeteria
  09/23/14
did you just coin this phrase?
Peach Effete Station Marketing Idea
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Deranged Telephone
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biglaw mice getting styled on hard
twisted cowardly antidepressant drug
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sapphire cheese-eating death wish senate
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Trip Puce Private Investor Shitlib
  09/23/14
mice: "but we did everything right!"
vivacious indecent bawdyhouse
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irate transparent trailer park idiot
  09/23/14
Shit man I need to cop some rats
boyish salmon round eye therapy
  09/23/14
(jew banker recruiting at HYP
sapphire cheese-eating death wish senate
  09/23/14
the genetic twist just puts it over the top.
Spectacular chest-beating corn cake
  09/23/14
I would love to write the PPM for that fund. Risk Disclo...
Clear talented brunch turdskin
  09/23/14
haha, a buddy and I were discussing this and the first thing...
tripping blue casino gaming laptop
  09/23/14
this actually seems reasonable. they are basically training ...
Alcoholic home karate
  09/23/14
omg i dont even know if this is fucklaw or fucklaw parody...
sapphire cheese-eating death wish senate
  09/23/14
not fucklaw. there is a large literature about various ne...
Alcoholic home karate
  09/23/14
the only reason it's not a random pick is because it's Pavlo...
Spectacular chest-beating corn cake
  09/23/14
many machine learning algorithms will look pavlovian
twisted cowardly antidepressant drug
  09/23/14
what does the fact it's Pavlovian have to do with anything?
Alcoholic home karate
  09/23/14
the pumo bro is right though
Low-t hominid
  09/23/14
wtf
Spectacular chest-beating corn cake
  09/23/14
but rats can't get you the sweet insider deals, e.g. hft. th...
vibrant outnumbered dilemma affirmative action
  09/23/14
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-06/hedge-funds-trail-s...
Alcoholic home karate
  09/23/14
what about those studies (like the one that compares univers...
vibrant outnumbered dilemma affirmative action
  09/23/14
“outperformed *some* of the world’s leading human fund manag...
vibrant outnumbered dilemma affirmative action
  09/23/14
It's antisemitic bro
Trip Puce Private Investor Shitlib
  09/23/14
Wait are you implying that Jews are rats?
Diverse haunting range
  09/23/14
http://www.rattraders.com/ 180 site "We are conti...
bronze beady-eyed market pozpig
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Umber elite dog poop school
  09/23/14
The idea that it's all random is appealing but this isn't re...
Soggy High-end Toilet Seat Point
  09/23/14
Wasn't George Costanzas fake charity The Human Fund?
odious theater stage doctorate
  09/23/14
wow, very zeke morrisian
Dull sadistic useless brakes
  09/23/14
omg yes
orange slap-happy hall friendly grandma
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Date: September 23rd, 2014 7:48 AM
Author: Umber elite dog poop school

http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2014/09/hedge-fund-rats.html

One project is Michael Marcovici’s Rat Trader. The book describes the training of laboratory rats to trade in foreign exchange and commodity futures markets. Marcovici says the rats “outperformed some of the world’s leading human fund managers.” The rats were trained to press a red or green button to give buy or sell signals, after listening to ticker tape movements represented as sounds. If they called the market right they were fed, if they called it wrong they got a small electric shock. Male and female rats performed equally well. The second generation of rattraders, cross-bred from the best performers in the first generation, appeared to have even better performance, although this is a preliminary result, according to the text. Marcovici’s plan, he writes, is to breed enough of them to set up a hedge fund.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380387)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:10 PM
Author: Sinister Jap Business Firm

What's the rat fund fee structure?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26383972)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 7:49 AM
Author: Spectacular chest-beating corn cake

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380390)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 7:55 AM
Author: twisted cowardly antidepressant drug

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380394)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 7:56 AM
Author: Rose Circlehead

A billion

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380395)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:03 AM
Author: wonderful angry meetinghouse rigpig

Cartoon world

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380402)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:18 PM
Author: Diverse haunting range



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26384025)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 9:43 PM
Author: supple tattoo

How is this cartoon world? Everyone knows random beats directed picks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26384495)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:03 AM
Author: arrogant hot wrinkle school cafeteria

lol @ the jew casino.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380405)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 11:12 AM
Author: Peach Effete Station Marketing Idea

did you just coin this phrase?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380968)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:27 PM
Author: Deranged Telephone



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26384066)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:10 AM
Author: twisted cowardly antidepressant drug

biglaw mice getting styled on hard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380408)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:17 AM
Author: sapphire cheese-eating death wish senate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380418)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:50 AM
Author: Trip Puce Private Investor Shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380462)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:52 AM
Author: vivacious indecent bawdyhouse

mice: "but we did everything right!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380465)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:16 AM
Author: irate transparent trailer park idiot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380417)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:19 AM
Author: boyish salmon round eye therapy

Shit man I need to cop some rats

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380422)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:22 AM
Author: sapphire cheese-eating death wish senate

(jew banker recruiting at HYP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380424)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:24 AM
Author: Spectacular chest-beating corn cake

the genetic twist just puts it over the top.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380426)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:27 AM
Author: Clear talented brunch turdskin

I would love to write the PPM for that fund.

Risk Disclosure

The trading system is dependent on rodents and their ability to hear and react to ticks. It is possible that a rodent may misinterprete the tick. There is also a possibility that the rodents will eat each other as a result of continously guessing wrong. Further, there is a risk that PETA will try to rescue the rodents or unionize them. This may result in substantial loss of profit s or actual loss to the fund.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380432)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 11:15 AM
Author: tripping blue casino gaming laptop

haha, a buddy and I were discussing this and the first thing we went to was PETA and unionization risks. Risk of accidental release of rat poison was also discussed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380979)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:32 AM
Author: Alcoholic home karate

this actually seems reasonable. they are basically training a complex neural network on market data, which we know can represent highly complex, non-linear functions. there is also evidence that "dumber" animals are better able to reason under uncertainty (suggesting that certain cognitive abilities have been lost in our evolution), so it wouldn't surprise me if a relatively small-brained animal was better than us at time series prediction.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380441)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:33 AM
Author: sapphire cheese-eating death wish senate

omg

i dont even know if this is fucklaw or fucklaw parody

amazing either way

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380442)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:36 AM
Author: Alcoholic home karate

not fucklaw.

there is a large literature about various neural network architectures being used for market prediction on price data. what is so surprising about a biological version being used for the same purpose?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380447)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:38 AM
Author: Spectacular chest-beating corn cake

the only reason it's not a random pick is because it's Pavlovian. your poli sci shithead theories about neural nets and all that stuff are not even applicable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380450)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:41 AM
Author: twisted cowardly antidepressant drug

many machine learning algorithms will look pavlovian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380452)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:48 AM
Author: Alcoholic home karate

what does the fact it's Pavlovian have to do with anything?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380460)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:11 PM
Author: Low-t hominid

the pumo bro is right though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26383977)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:35 AM
Author: Spectacular chest-beating corn cake

wtf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380446)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:48 AM
Author: vibrant outnumbered dilemma affirmative action

but rats can't get you the sweet insider deals, e.g. hft. the rich still do way better in hedge funds than the average joe in vanguard, schwab, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380461)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:52 AM
Author: Alcoholic home karate

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-06/hedge-funds-trail-stocks-by-the-widest-margin-since-2005.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380464)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 9:01 AM
Author: vibrant outnumbered dilemma affirmative action

what about those studies (like the one that compares university endowments) that show the roi on large portfolios is much better than that on small ones?

do you think these wily hedge funds could be hiding earnings to lower taxes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380474)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 9:07 AM
Author: vibrant outnumbered dilemma affirmative action

“outperformed *some* of the world’s leading human fund managers."

it can't be that obvious, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380479)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 9:08 AM
Author: Trip Puce Private Investor Shitlib

It's antisemitic bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380481)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:21 PM
Author: Diverse haunting range

Wait are you implying that Jews are rats?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26384039)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 9:12 AM
Author: bronze beady-eyed market pozpig

http://www.rattraders.com/

180 site

"We are continuously crossing the best trading rats with each other in order to breed specialists in various markets for our clients. The second generation of top traders ususally shows a much better performance compared to their parents."

"The decision was correct, Lehman gets a bonus after shorting the USD."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380485)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 10:18 AM
Author: Umber elite dog poop school

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380737)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 10:48 AM
Author: Soggy High-end Toilet Seat Point

The idea that it's all random is appealing but this isn't really convincing. Of course "some" managers will underperform random during certain periods of time, especially short-term.

There's also a self-reinforcing effect to stock pickers -- the fact that so many people are analyzing and picking stocks makes it hard to outperform the market precisely because the effect of all those pickers is efficiency. If you had a market without much analysis/stock-picking, skilled stock pickers would be more effective.

Hedge Funds are largely flame, but that's as much because of their fee structure as their skill, i.e. any alpha they have is going to be cancelled out or more by their expense.

One other point -- this just says "human fund managers" -- that could also be mutual funds.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380872)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 11:27 AM
Author: odious theater stage doctorate

Wasn't George Costanzas fake charity The Human Fund?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26381031)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 10:50 AM
Author: Dull sadistic useless brakes

wow, very zeke morrisian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380881)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:25 PM
Author: orange slap-happy hall friendly grandma

omg yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26384061)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:08 PM
Author: Umber elite dog poop school



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26383960)