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Dean of my T14 exaggerating about placement?
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Date: March 7th, 2010 11:31 PM Author: bespoke hairy legs home I met the dean of my T14 last week at an alumni reception. I asked him how current students were faring in the tough job market, and he claimed that grads of my alma mater were generally unaffected. He said 100% of the Class of '09 had jobs, and 95% of this year's class would have jobs.
I assume he's full of shit, but is there any way to verify this? |
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Date: March 7th, 2010 11:34 PM Author: Amethyst fear-inspiring azn yarmulke lol if you can't figure this out you probably should reconsider your choice of profession (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244311&forum_id=2#14328234) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 9:19 AM Author: Sooty stirring lay 100% (of alumni who returned phone calls from OCI 9 months after graduate and were actively "seeking employment" had obtained some kind of employment)
That 100% figure just ignores people who don't respond, people who are unemployed for several months, people who have given up on finding work, and people who aren't working in law. |
Date: March 7th, 2010 11:32 PM Author: Fantasy-prone Amber Range International Law Enforcement Agency do a survey. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244311&forum_id=2#14328194) |
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Date: March 7th, 2010 11:32 PM Author: At-the-ready Soul-stirring Dilemma Half-breed Post an ad on craigslist for unemployed grads of your school and see who responds? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244311&forum_id=2#14328199) |
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Date: March 7th, 2010 11:38 PM Author: bespoke hairy legs home
Nah, I'm too lazy to do either of these. I'm just curious, that's all, I don't really care either way.
I just found the numbers he gave me to be incredible based on what I've heard elsewhere, including this board, and was hoping there was an easy way to confirm or deny them.
My school is in the Northeast, and the dean claimed that the more "remote" T14 schools (like Duke or MIchigan) were the ones hit hard by the recession.
Maybe he just figured I was a typical horse's ass alum who would eagerly write checks to the school after hearing this? He was wrong though (at least about writing checks). |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 12:15 AM Author: startling french chef fortuitous meteor So, it is either CLS, NYU, Penn, or Cornell. I am guessing Cornell. Penn seems too far south to say Northeast, and you probably would have said CCN for CLS or NYU. If it is one of CCN, then, the number of 3Ls with jobs does not mesh with 100%. I can attest to this from the 3Ls I know.
Maybe he meant 100% of the people who responded to the survey. |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 12:33 AM Author: bespoke hairy legs home He didn't mention any survey. I'm guessing it was based on non-scientific data.
When I was a student the dean knew almost nobody, so I highly doubt he knows what he's talking about. |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 12:34 AM Author: adventurous parlor new version Hint: the survey is only sent to the top 5% of your class lmfao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244311&forum_id=2#14329044) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 12:36 AM Author: dead cumskin TCR. You learn this in "statistics 200 series". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244311&forum_id=2#14329058) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 12:35 AM Author: bespoke hairy legs home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244311&forum_id=2#14329048) |
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Date: March 7th, 2010 11:35 PM Author: Dark crackhouse Jobs =/= good jobs people at T14 would normally get
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:09 AM Author: painfully honest box office hunting ground is the law school you graduate from your alma mater? always just thought it was your college... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244311&forum_id=2#14330552) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:12 AM Author: big marketing idea same here but i dont think graduation is necessary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244311&forum_id=2#14330553) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:17 AM Author: Salmon pea-brained tanning salon i always thought it was where you got your llm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244311&forum_id=2#14330555) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 10:29 AM Author: Amethyst fear-inspiring azn yarmulke underrated (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244311&forum_id=2#14330980) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:37 AM Author: vigorous deep feces cruise ship In modern times, it is often a school, college, or university attended during one's formative years,[1] which is usually interpreted to mean from where one earned one's first degree or doctorate, or both.[2] (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244311&forum_id=2#14330564) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:41 AM Author: greedy legal warrant tank LOL the second footnote doesn't even backup the interpretation assertion regarding first degree and later degrees. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244311&forum_id=2#14330566) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:51 AM Author: vigorous deep feces cruise ship true. you should fix it in the sandbox (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244311&forum_id=2#14330571) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:54 AM Author: greedy legal warrant tank *has an interpretation of a definition* *writes sentence on interpretation, citing only the definition* *smiles as idiots link his contribution as proof of interpretation* |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:22 AM Author: clear concupiscible piazza it's so easy for the law schools to lie, lie, lie. i don't know how we can stop them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244311&forum_id=2#14330559) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 7:50 AM Author: Comical whorehouse He's right, especially if you consider that by "have jobs" he means "eventually, possibly after bar results are out" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244311&forum_id=2#14330570) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 8:39 AM Author: Alcoholic maniacal rehab at my t14 career services is trying to pawn off short-term "fellowships" on unemployed recent grads to game the employment data. it's really despicable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244311&forum_id=2#14330624) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 9:30 AM Author: painfully honest box office hunting ground motive might be despicable, but they are helping people in the end. i mean, it's their job to make sure that people get jobs. im not sure how you can fault them for not doing theirs.
granted, i know your OCS has been conspicuously inactive since EIW, so perhaps they should be doing even more? |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 10:28 AM Author: Alcoholic maniacal rehab i agree that helping people is good, but what i fault them for is booking these as "jobs" for the purpose of employment data. seems clear the purpose isn't to "do their jobs" but rather to mislead future students with dishonest post-grad employment data. if they were serious about doing the right thing, they would implement a program like this and still count its recipients as "unemployed," which really they are (grant is only a temporary benefit) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244311&forum_id=2#14330974) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 9:17 AM Author: excitant obsidian abode cuck The dean of a law school is a glorified salesman. Why would you not take anything he says with a grain of salt? This is not even worthy enough to start a thread about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244311&forum_id=2#14330662) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 9:51 AM Author: Ruby Spectacular Water Buffalo People Who Are Hurt The shameless lies of people like this are yet another reason I'm giving up on LS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1244311&forum_id=2#14330781) |
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Date: March 8th, 2010 10:50 AM Author: Smoky Aphrodisiac Locus I would guess no school save perhaps YHS have 100% for '09 and 95% for '10. Like some here have pointed out, you said T14 and not some other designation (like T6); I'm assuming that analysis is correct.
I'm a 3L at MVP and I can assure you that the '10 number is absolutely impossible ... unless you count barrista as employment. Such numbers were not even credible in good times, and were only achieved through 'creative accounting'. Imagine then ITE.
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