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People who get extra time on the bar exam/LSAT for ADHD - cred?
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Date: June 6th, 2012 11:00 PM Author: Salmon infuriating locale will these people be fucked over in any way for doing this, practically speaking? I'm thinking applying for extra time now that I know it's possible. I space out a lot, need to take frequent breaks, and have a horrible memory. I'm scared it will affect me on the bar exam too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1965303&forum_id=2#20840248) |
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Date: June 6th, 2012 11:32 PM Author: electric jet center no of course not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1965303&forum_id=2#20840619) |
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Date: June 6th, 2012 11:47 PM Author: Salmon infuriating locale explain...? i won't be fucked over in practice or do you mean for requesting accommodations? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1965303&forum_id=2#20840800) |
Date: June 6th, 2012 11:29 PM Author: Salmon infuriating locale i'm applying anyway, despite being a bit late. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1965303&forum_id=2#20840591) |
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Date: June 6th, 2012 11:31 PM Author: Salmon infuriating locale (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1965303&forum_id=2#20840618) |
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Date: June 6th, 2012 11:35 PM Author: electric jet center When I was very young, a psychiatrist ran a battery of tests and told my parents that I had a very high IQ and that I should start school a year early. Although I was supposed to be considered "gifted" I always struggled in school, but with the help of tutors and my parents, I always made average grades, though it was not easy. I was not diagnosed with ADD until I was 20. I was a senior in college at the time and was almost finished with my undergrad education, so aside from medication, I was not aware of special accommodations like extended time and alternate testing environment. However, after my first semester of law school and making the worst grades I had ever made in my life, a number of professors, after learning of my ADD and reviewing my exams with me, suggested that I apply for special accommodations. Ever since then, I have had the extended time and alternate testing environment, and my grades have substantially improved.
However, as I enter my third year of law school, I have started the process of applying for the Bar Exam in my state and have learned that in order to apply for special accommodations, I will have to get a whole battery of psychological testing done to submit with my application. I understand this requirement (which is costing me over $2,000), however, I have also been informed that very few people are actually granted special accommodations for the bar exam and that because I was not diagnosed until later in life and because I am doing well in law school (which is due in large part to the special accommodations I have been given) it is unlikely that I will receive the special accommodations, even if the psychological testing and evaluations confirm my ADD diagnosis and the need for special accommodations.
I feel as though I am being penalized not only because I was not diagnosed late in life, but also because I have worked hard to get good grades in law school. Apparently, if I was on the verge of flunking out of law school, I would have a better chance of receiving the accommodations.
Since all of this has started, I have been researching Adult ADD and have come to realize that many women like myself have suffered for years before being diagnosed. I was just wondering if anyone else out there has encountered a similar problem with late diagnosis and receiving special accommodations for graduate and/or professional testing and has any suggestions for dealing with this problem. |
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Date: June 6th, 2012 11:39 PM Author: Effete Confused Pistol Cuckold My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink, he would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy, the sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical, summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds, pretty standard really. At the age of 12 I received my first scribe. At the age of fourteen, a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum, it's breathtaking, I suggest you try it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1965303&forum_id=2#20840693) |
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Date: June 6th, 2012 11:44 PM Author: Sapphire Menage ti, oc, tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1965303&forum_id=2#20840755) |
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Date: June 7th, 2012 10:46 PM Author: judgmental trump supporter Woody Allen? I recognize this from somewhere. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1965303&forum_id=2#20845949) |
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Date: June 7th, 2012 11:27 PM Author: out-of-control garrison messiness A. Powers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1965303&forum_id=2#20846431) |
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Date: June 6th, 2012 11:42 PM Author: Salmon infuriating locale Yes, I have a similar story...thanks for sharing. It's almost 12 am and I have to head off, so I can't get too detailed, but in brief... basically, I have had the psychological testing done and I think there's an addendum you can include in the application to explain why you believe accommodations should be granted/how it has impacted you - you should write something similar to the above. You seemed to describe your issues and the reasons for accommodation well, and maybe with some supporting letters from profs (if they were the ones who recommended you get tested) - or reference to profs referring you on your psych documentation, that could help. I'd suggest getting the testing done if you really think you can't pass the bar exam without it, or it would be much more difficult and you're unsure of whether you'd pass. It's worth it IMHO.
I basically have the same difficulties as you, except I also have memory issues and when I have to concentrate intensely, i tend to go slower.. I can't focus intensely on anything, it's almost like my mind is divided. I lose energy quickly. However, I've never taken any drugs for it besides concerta and I don't want to take any on a long-time basis due to the severity of side effects and the fact that I don't view it as a long-term solution. My main issue isn't even so much the bar exam but how this will affect me in practice. Are you worried about that as much? |
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Date: June 7th, 2012 10:50 PM Author: aromatic wagecucks theater stage "Ever since then, I have had the extended time and alternate testing environment, and my grades have substantially improved."
holy shit man. since your grades improved once you got extra time it's clear that you're a genius with crippling add. |
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Date: June 6th, 2012 11:37 PM Author: Effete Confused Pistol Cuckold I remember reading somewhere that 60% or so of 170+ are the ADHD/learning disability types who get time extensions.
kind of a dirty little secret. |
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Date: June 6th, 2012 11:50 PM Author: Hideous big stag film No way...link (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1965303&forum_id=2#20840836) |
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Date: June 7th, 2012 2:26 AM Author: Aquamarine swashbuckling library hominid lol, law students. people who get special accommodations should be shunned. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1965303&forum_id=2#20841436) |
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Date: June 7th, 2012 8:54 AM Author: Hideous big stag film The stat is complete bull shit I am sure, but if it was true then my 177 with regular timing is quite a bit more impressive.
But yeah, there should be a notation that people got extra time. |
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Date: June 7th, 2012 9:52 AM Author: elite supple mad-dog skullcap Yeah...there's a notation on the MCAT score sheet noting if the taker had accommodations.
They don't do the same for the LSAT? Really? |
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Date: June 7th, 2012 10:26 AM Author: Aphrodisiac startled immigrant They do (or at least they used to when I was applying). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1965303&forum_id=2#20842136) |
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Date: June 7th, 2012 10:54 AM Author: Hideous big stag film They do? That's good. I dont even think there should be accommodations, really. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1965303&forum_id=2#20842296) |
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Date: June 7th, 2012 10:37 PM Author: Salmon infuriating locale I got extra time on the LSAT and yes, there was a notation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1965303&forum_id=2#20845848) |
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Date: June 7th, 2012 10:46 PM Author: aromatic wagecucks theater stage lol u bitchmade pussy. why did you get extra time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1965303&forum_id=2#20845958) |
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Date: June 7th, 2012 11:50 AM Author: cordovan laughsome parlor That's ridiculous if true, I actually took ritalin as a kid also and still did faily well, would have done extremely well w extra time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1965303&forum_id=2#20842502) |
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Date: June 7th, 2012 10:47 PM Author: aromatic wagecucks theater stage anyone who can't get a 170 w extra time is completely fucking retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1965303&forum_id=2#20845964) |
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Date: June 7th, 2012 3:02 AM Author: ruddy parlour azn bar exam lolwut? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1965303&forum_id=2#20841581) |
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Date: June 7th, 2012 11:48 AM Author: charcoal concupiscible school nothing in the real word (job/client/judge/court) is going to give you "extra time" because you have a learning disability, why would theses tests that are supposed to prepare you for real life give you extra time? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1965303&forum_id=2#20842498) |
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Date: June 7th, 2012 1:19 PM Author: 180 associate business firm i am not sure i understand the underlying logic. certainly no one would support giving time extensions to people with lower IQs, which is the most important factor influencing LSAT scores (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1965303&forum_id=2#20842781) |
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Date: June 7th, 2012 10:36 PM Author: Salmon infuriating locale Just because you need extra time for a standardized test doesn't mean you necessarily will at trial or on dispositions, etc. Standardized test conditions aren't exactly equivalent to real world challenges. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1965303&forum_id=2#20845842) |
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Date: June 7th, 2012 10:48 PM Author: aromatic wagecucks theater stage why do you "need" extra time. unless you have no hands or your blind or you have chronic explosive diarrhea and you have to shit every 5 minutes you don't need extra time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1965303&forum_id=2#20845973) |