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From the other (actually countless other) thread
Fragrant Flirting Range
  06/04/06
ha! THE PROFESSION IS SUPPOSED TO BE IMMUNE TO THE FORCES OF...
bipolar police squad
  06/04/06
You are wise.
titillating space fat ankles
  06/04/06
Enforcing standards of performance =/= limited the supply of...
galvanic stage telephone
  06/04/06
yes because in the good old days the old boys who founded th...
bipolar police squad
  06/04/06
i think it's part cartel, part standards (at least from an h...
dashing queen of the night
  06/04/06
why is valen so stupid?
Yapping navy alpha quadroon
  06/04/06
All unaccredited, for-profit, and online/correspondance &quo...
Deranged forum sweet tailpipe
  06/04/06
and roughly half of the non-profit "traditional" l...
bipolar police squad
  06/04/06
"and roughly half of the non-profit "traditional&q...
Fragrant Flirting Range
  06/04/06
The half-way mark is somewhere in the Santa Clara to McGeorg...
Arousing Drunken Senate
  06/04/06
you're a retard, as always. online school students are usual...
Yapping navy alpha quadroon
  06/04/06
do you have any idea how many TTT and TTTT grads NEVER find ...
bipolar police squad
  06/04/06
i'm sure there are several. but i doubt the percentage is th...
Yapping navy alpha quadroon
  06/04/06
since you're so confident the number is really high, why don...
Racy Therapy
  06/04/06
exactly.
Fragrant Flirting Range
  06/04/06
"3rd, 4th and 2nd tier schools all serve a useful purpo...
Deranged forum sweet tailpipe
  06/04/06
There wouldnt be enough litigators w/ 100 schools
Fragrant Flirting Range
  06/04/06
Of course there would. There are currently well over 1 MILLI...
Deranged forum sweet tailpipe
  06/04/06
haha, what a completely vacuous analysis. now tell us "...
Yapping navy alpha quadroon
  06/04/06
Imagine you're on trial for your life, who would you want to...
Deranged forum sweet tailpipe
  06/04/06
why is it so hard for you to understand that there are other...
Fragrant Flirting Range
  06/04/06
first, you didn't answer the question. it should have been o...
Yapping navy alpha quadroon
  06/04/06
Given the outcome of that trial they might want to rethink. ...
Arousing Drunken Senate
  06/04/06
it's not about what you WANT. instead, it's about what you ...
Slippery library crotch
  06/04/06
now imagine you're filling in some legal forms, or you need ...
Racy Therapy
  06/04/06
1 MILLION? thanks for the caps jackass. the number itself ...
Fragrant Flirting Range
  06/04/06
Last I heard there were roughly 250 Million people in the US...
Deranged forum sweet tailpipe
  06/04/06
there are way more than 250 mill people in the US.
Yapping navy alpha quadroon
  06/04/06
http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html 298,...
Arousing Drunken Senate
  06/04/06
I dont need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows, a...
Fragrant Flirting Range
  06/04/06
According to www.census.gov, there are currently 298,899,985...
Deranged forum sweet tailpipe
  06/04/06
does "licensed" mean "practicing"?
Slippery library crotch
  06/04/06
killingyousoftly seems to be very bad with interpreting basi...
Yapping navy alpha quadroon
  06/04/06
"Practicing" means "licensed", but not t...
Deranged forum sweet tailpipe
  06/04/06
don't a lot of people leave the profession, due to dissatisf...
Slippery library crotch
  06/04/06
A lot of people leave Biglaw due to satisfaction, but not th...
Deranged forum sweet tailpipe
  06/04/06
because you were claiming that we had too many lawyers. you...
Slippery library crotch
  06/04/06
That might be your worst assumption yet.
Fragrant Flirting Range
  06/04/06
Explain to me the logic in paying $150+K to attend a FTT or ...
Deranged forum sweet tailpipe
  06/04/06
I never said people should go to them
Fragrant Flirting Range
  06/04/06
touche.
Deranged forum sweet tailpipe
  06/04/06
because most of these people are perfectly fine with the shi...
Slippery library crotch
  06/04/06
and here's another reason
Slippery library crotch
  06/04/06
average starting salary =/= average lifetime salary.
Yapping navy alpha quadroon
  06/04/06
That's right, there's always the chance they might strike go...
Deranged forum sweet tailpipe
  06/04/06
here it is again: "average starting salary =/= average ...
Yapping navy alpha quadroon
  06/04/06
Perhaps you misunderstood my response. I said FTT's/unacc...
Deranged forum sweet tailpipe
  06/04/06
very bad reasoning. first, if we were to extend your latest ...
Yapping navy alpha quadroon
  06/04/06
Wow, and you criticize me for thinking in black-and-white? ...
Deranged forum sweet tailpipe
  06/04/06
<< (a) the average JD practicing law (in some form) pr...
Arousing Drunken Senate
  06/04/06
i have no idea where you got the idea that i think TTTs serv...
Yapping navy alpha quadroon
  06/04/06
Have you ever been to JDJive.com? Spend a half hour readi...
Deranged forum sweet tailpipe
  06/04/06
that many graduates of a certain school do doc review or oth...
Yapping navy alpha quadroon
  06/04/06
"that still doesn't mean we should close that school, u...
Deranged forum sweet tailpipe
  06/04/06
not all law school graduates are competing for a slave assoc...
Yapping navy alpha quadroon
  06/04/06
Jesus christ, get off this Biglaw kick. I'm not so simplemin...
Deranged forum sweet tailpipe
  06/04/06
just in case it's not obvious yet, temporary unemployment (i...
Yapping navy alpha quadroon
  06/04/06
What I mean is that many JD's are forced to work in NON-LEGA...
Deranged forum sweet tailpipe
  06/04/06
um, graduates who can't pass the bar *shouldn't* be able to ...
Yapping navy alpha quadroon
  06/04/06
Perhaps I should've qualfied my post as "gainful LEGAL&...
Deranged forum sweet tailpipe
  06/04/06
By your claims, one would get the impression that 2/3 of the...
Fragrant Flirting Range
  06/04/06
lol, we don't need a nanny state. adults take risks. adult...
Slippery library crotch
  06/04/06
JdJive
sapphire hateful volcanic crater
  06/04/06
Again, I never said anything about shutting down 2nd tier sc...
Deranged forum sweet tailpipe
  06/04/06
I would take it further and cut down 3rd and 4th tier school...
provocative dingle berry dilemma
  06/04/06
you also seem to think that third tier and fourth tier law s...
Racy Therapy
  06/04/06
Not all of them, just those with horrendously low admissions...
Deranged forum sweet tailpipe
  06/04/06
what accredited school admits non-URM's with 140s?
Racy Therapy
  06/04/06
140 should killself. 140?
provocative dingle berry dilemma
  06/04/06
well that was not responsive.
Racy Therapy
  06/04/06
The OP's idiotic argument goes the following: 1) high num...
provocative dingle berry dilemma
  06/04/06
the very fact that we call them TTT's indicates that demand ...
bipolar police squad
  06/04/06
alternatively, this could be an argument for opening more me...
Racy Therapy
  06/04/06
The ambulance chaser part was a separate point, not a conclu...
Fragrant Flirting Range
  06/04/06
Not really. The ambulance chaser thing was further elaborat...
provocative dingle berry dilemma
  06/04/06
aside from the one or two liberal faggots, or the group of t...
Yapping navy alpha quadroon
  06/04/06
You are giving an extremely hypothetical situation where TTT...
provocative dingle berry dilemma
  06/04/06
whoa, this is very bad reasoning. if the only options availa...
Yapping navy alpha quadroon
  06/04/06
Woah. Once again. you are in your hypothetical world. THIN...
provocative dingle berry dilemma
  06/04/06
examine your claim for a moment, becuase i'm not sure you've...
Yapping navy alpha quadroon
  06/04/06
Yes. The prestige will go up. Loyola solo practitioner...
provocative dingle berry dilemma
  06/04/06
LOL
Yapping navy alpha quadroon
  06/04/06
solo practice will NOT be the same. It will be kind of like...
provocative dingle berry dilemma
  06/04/06
3rd, 4th and 2nd tier schools all serve a useful purpose: th...
titillating space fat ankles
  06/04/06
"I'm not going to continue." good idea.
Yapping navy alpha quadroon
  06/04/06
Who gives a shit. So you have to actually do good work to b...
Fragrant Flirting Range
  06/04/06
ha! If only it were that simple. Shitloads of people coming ...
bipolar police squad
  06/04/06
good, then you shouldnt be worried about the erosion of the ...
Fragrant Flirting Range
  06/04/06
120
Harsh Den
  06/04/06
Lawyers are not pop-tarts or widgets. Please try again.
cream pervert
  06/04/06
Law stopped being a 'learned profession' a long, long time a...
Fragrant Flirting Range
  06/04/06
My point is that not everything can be justified or explaine...
cream pervert
  06/04/06
If you believe we have too much litigation, wouldnt it make ...
Fragrant Flirting Range
  06/04/06
the trial lawyer lobby is to powerful and who the fuck do yo...
bipolar police squad
  06/04/06
Economic forces (too many lawyers, not enough work) have a w...
cream pervert
  06/04/06
lol
Slippery library crotch
  06/04/06
??
cream pervert
  06/04/06
There is enough work
Fragrant Flirting Range
  06/04/06
I wish I could find a link to the paper, but the gist of it ...
cream pervert
  06/04/06
now there's an "optimum" number of lawyers. you'r...
Slippery library crotch
  06/04/06
All of your counter-arguments are well supported and on-topi...
cream pervert
  06/04/06
i enjoyed the irony of this post.
Slippery library crotch
  06/04/06
Keep dodging you clueless retard.
cream pervert
  06/04/06
why are you so angry? are you one of those ttt grad's doing...
Slippery library crotch
  06/04/06
I'm not angry at all. I was just stating a fact.
cream pervert
  06/04/06
opinion \= fact
Slippery library crotch
  06/04/06
You were dodging and you are a clueless retard. It is not m...
cream pervert
  06/04/06
i pointed out that the market is a great regulator of the de...
Slippery library crotch
  06/04/06
Where?
cream pervert
  06/04/06
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&for...
Slippery library crotch
  06/04/06
That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Also, g...
cream pervert
  06/04/06
Actually, in 2000 the ABA estimated that only 1/3 of the dem...
Fragrant Flirting Range
  06/04/06
That seems preposterous.
cream pervert
  06/04/06
Employment of lawyers is expected to grow about as fast as a...
Slippery library crotch
  06/04/06
"Demand," in the economic sense, refers to WILLING...
Arousing Drunken Senate
  06/04/06
"meaningless material good" eh.
Yapping navy alpha quadroon
  06/04/06
You are being such an ignorant fool. Just stfu and kill sel...
provocative dingle berry dilemma
  06/04/06
Its understandable why an ambulance chase would be hated by ...
Fragrant Flirting Range
  06/04/06
There are serious negative consequences that arise from an e...
cream pervert
  06/04/06
Yes, just as there are serious consequences of too many friv...
Fragrant Flirting Range
  06/04/06
I disagree. I cannot prove you wrong, but I'd like to see s...
cream pervert
  06/04/06
The alternative is to do nothing, or at best less. Personal...
Fragrant Flirting Range
  06/04/06
It's your assumption that personal injury is little guy vers...
cream pervert
  06/04/06
from a defense attorneys perspective
sapphire hateful volcanic crater
  06/04/06
"apart from a rise in premiums" Sounds like ge...
cream pervert
  06/04/06
If the guy gets sick from Mr Chow serving sweet and sour pig...
Fragrant Flirting Range
  06/04/06
Right, but does the guy getting sick deserve a 3 million dol...
cream pervert
  06/04/06
A) What one deserves from a given settlement is a compl...
Fragrant Flirting Range
  06/07/06
Wow. A typical ambulance chaser mentality. Don't you thi...
provocative dingle berry dilemma
  06/04/06
"Don't you think there are better ways to inform possib...
Fragrant Flirting Range
  06/04/06
Dude. A frivolous defense does not HARM the society as much...
provocative dingle berry dilemma
  06/04/06
I never said they were equal, dOOd. And if the claim is wea...
Fragrant Flirting Range
  06/04/06
Nope. have you heard of settlement? And some times the...
provocative dingle berry dilemma
  06/04/06
Trust me, I wish it was more prestigious but unfortunately t...
Fragrant Flirting Range
  06/04/06
Because of three reasons: 1) english is the only language...
provocative dingle berry dilemma
  06/04/06
usually the plaintiff harrasses the defense to settle.
provocative dingle berry dilemma
  06/04/06
we don't have enough law schools. firms are so desperate for...
Ruby kitchen cuckoldry
  06/04/06
Joke?
cream pervert
  06/04/06
it's his shtick. sometimes his sarcasm is sweetly subtle; so...
Yapping navy alpha quadroon
  06/04/06
Only a FAG would refer to himself as "enchilada". ...
titillating space fat ankles
  06/04/06
this is true.
Yapping navy alpha quadroon
  06/04/06
He's an excellent poster, so I give him the benefit of the d...
cream pervert
  06/04/06
he means we don't have enough QUALITY law schools
Slippery library crotch
  06/04/06
To equalize supply and demand, the ABA should eliminate 22-1...
Irradiated territorial dysfunction theatre
  06/04/06
even that really isnt necessary, make the number a nice roun...
supple indian lodge
  06/04/06
haha
Yapping navy alpha quadroon
  06/04/06
Prices (i.e. salaries) will have no trouble equalizing suppl...
Arousing Drunken Senate
  06/04/06
nah, let's get rid of all of 3-187. yale and stanford, one o...
Racy Therapy
  06/04/06
Now THAT is going against the market force . We need more l...
provocative dingle berry dilemma
  06/04/06
no way man, lawyers just sue people which is inefficient bec...
Racy Therapy
  06/04/06
You need more than that! 200+ lawschools with 70% bar passa...
provocative dingle berry dilemma
  06/04/06
no! litigation is a drain on society! your analysis is flawl...
Racy Therapy
  06/07/06
yes, but it's a moot point, because aside from about 6 or 7 ...
Diverse talking crackhouse internal respiration
  06/04/06
It depends what your goals are. If you have goals more like...
Arousing Drunken Senate
  06/04/06
Bull Connor, mirror, and J. Cohen win. There are clearly...
Deranged forum sweet tailpipe
  06/04/06
The market is obviously not willing if there are many 35K TT...
provocative dingle berry dilemma
  06/04/06
You can handle these folks, somatic. Regrettably, I have a b...
Deranged forum sweet tailpipe
  06/04/06
I have to go too. READE! Are there. help me out!
provocative dingle berry dilemma
  06/04/06
why do you faggots care if some crappy lawyers will never ge...
lake hell trust fund
  06/04/06
Bar in US=joke TTT attorneys=damaging general prestige of R...
provocative dingle berry dilemma
  06/04/06
anyone who thinks we should shut down T3 and T4 schools has ...
Know-it-all boyish lay
  06/07/06
and there are more than enough T2 and even T1 lawyers handli...
bipolar police squad
  06/07/06


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Date: June 4th, 2006 5:11 PM
Author: Fragrant Flirting Range
Subject: From the other (actually countless other) thread

Absolutely not. The number of law schools is a function of our free market/supply and demand system. People say there are too many bc it lowers their prestige of calling themself a lawyer, but thats really just tough shit. Ambulance chasers are an important part of the system, its strange that the masses view them in such low regard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908041)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:15 PM
Author: bipolar police squad

ha! THE PROFESSION IS SUPPOSED TO BE IMMUNE TO THE FORCES OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND. ITS THE ABA's fucking job to police schools and make sure the supply of lawyer is LIMITED. HTFH. The reason the ABA was first founded was to limit admission. It really takes nothing much to practice law, anyone can learn to do it without law school, law school exists solely as a barrier to entry.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908063)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:27 PM
Author: titillating space fat ankles

You are wise.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908142)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:27 PM
Author: galvanic stage telephone

Enforcing standards of performance =/= limited the supply of lawyers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908144)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:29 PM
Author: bipolar police squad

yes because in the good old days the old boys who founded the ABA were really thinking about "standards of performance" and not protecting themselves. Is anyone this fucking naive?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908156)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:57 PM
Author: dashing queen of the night

i think it's part cartel, part standards (at least from an historical explanation). but, i think fear of malpractice should be good enough to provide deterrence, even in the absence of the ABA and bar-accredidation; so these organizations probably are wasteful.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908353)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:29 PM
Author: Yapping navy alpha quadroon

why is valen so stupid?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908158)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:18 PM
Author: Deranged forum sweet tailpipe

All unaccredited, for-profit, and online/correspondance "law schools" are akin to trade schools like DeVry Institute.

All these TTTs and FTTs might as well give you a free toolbox at graduation.

Face it, degrees from most TTTs/FTTs are just not marketable. Attending these schools is an absolute waste of money, and it takes all the suckers who enroll a full 3 years to figure it out.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908079)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:19 PM
Author: bipolar police squad

and roughly half of the non-profit "traditional" law schools also need to go.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908084)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:44 PM
Author: Fragrant Flirting Range

"and roughly half of the non-profit "traditional" law schools also need to go."

so youre basically saying every school up to and including Tulane is okay, but anything after that is questionable. thats good non-partisan logic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908262)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:24 PM
Author: Arousing Drunken Senate

The half-way mark is somewhere in the Santa Clara to McGeorge range, isn't it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908561)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:22 PM
Author: Yapping navy alpha quadroon

you're a retard, as always. online school students are usually already gainfully employed when they enroll in online courses. and 3rd, 4th and 2nd tier schools all serve a useful purpose: the graduates of these schools become defense attorneys, ambulance chasers, corporate attorneys, judges, and public interest advocates. the law as a profession isn't merely about biglaw. this is so obvious only an xoxo retard could completely ignore it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908110)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:24 PM
Author: bipolar police squad

do you have any idea how many TTT and TTTT grads NEVER find legal jobs at all?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908118)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:28 PM
Author: Yapping navy alpha quadroon

i'm sure there are several. but i doubt the percentage is that high. you're too stupid for me to take seriously, so i'm just going to have to go with my gut, which, incidentally, is in accord with common sense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908151)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:29 PM
Author: Racy Therapy

since you're so confident the number is really high, why don't you cite us an authority? because i think nearly everyone can find a job for at least 50k. obviously you won't be living like a king with debt and a 50k job, but it's not nearly as bad as never finding a legal job at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908605)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:24 PM
Author: Fragrant Flirting Range

exactly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908119)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:32 PM
Author: Deranged forum sweet tailpipe

"3rd, 4th and 2nd tier schools all serve a useful purpose"

...to make money/enlarge endowments. Keep in mind I never belitted 2nd tier schools (which I believe, as you do...serve a "higher" purpose). I'm mostly referring to the 3rd/4th tier schools with sub-50% bar passage rates.

"the law as a profession isn't merely about biglaw"

Of course it's not, but there are more than enough folks at the Top 100 schools who don't go the biglaw route that can fill all the legal roles you've listed above (judges, defense attorneys, public interest, etc.)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908179)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:36 PM
Author: Fragrant Flirting Range

There wouldnt be enough litigators w/ 100 schools

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908206)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:40 PM
Author: Deranged forum sweet tailpipe

Of course there would. There are currently well over 1 MILLION licensed attorneys in the United States. That's roughly one out of every 250 people in the country.

Keeping in mind: (a) the average JD practicing law (in some form) practices until age 50, and (b) almost all law schools have more than 300 students (total), and some law schools have well over 1000 students...there would be a very healthy supply of attorneys to fill our country's legal needs if we just cut the amount of American law schools in half.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908231)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:43 PM
Author: Yapping navy alpha quadroon

haha, what a completely vacuous analysis. now tell us "what our country's legal needs" are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908256)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:51 PM
Author: Deranged forum sweet tailpipe

Imagine you're on trial for your life, who would you want to represent you?

Imagine you have to plan to acquire a new subsidiary corporation, and any wrong legal move can cost you tens of MILLIONS. Who would you want to represent you?

Imagine you are representing a man on trial for his life (bench trial), and all the facts and laws are on your side, but the prosecution has been playing to the court's sympathies for the entire trial. Who would you want on the bench?

If your answer to any of the above is a TTT/FTT over a 1st or 2nd tier graduate...you're just lying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908319)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:59 PM
Author: Fragrant Flirting Range

why is it so hard for you to understand that there are other jobs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908359)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:59 PM
Author: Yapping navy alpha quadroon

first, you didn't answer the question. it should have been obvious that you can't. that's what happens when you make retarded claims.

"If your answer to any of the above is a TTT/FTT over a 1st or 2nd tier graduate...you're just lying."

hmmm. it appears that the answer should be obvious, right? right. so if this is true, then i'm sure no big name corporate defendant would ever hire TTT counsel. and i'm sure no big name defendant accused of insider trading or securities fraud would ever hire someone from a school like . . . southwestern. right? right.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908362)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:29 PM
Author: Arousing Drunken Senate

Given the outcome of that trial they might want to rethink. But point taken.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908604)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:00 PM
Author: Slippery library crotch

it's not about what you WANT. instead, it's about what you can AFFORD.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908375)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:32 PM
Author: Racy Therapy

now imagine you're filling in some legal forms, or you need to write a very simple will. how much legal talent do you want to pay for? if your answer is that you are willing to shell out $500/hr so a hotshot from the top of his class at NYU can pull out the forms and fill in the blanks... you're just lying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908622)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:55 PM
Author: Fragrant Flirting Range

1 MILLION? thanks for the caps jackass. the number itself is irrelevant, its relative to demand. btw, 1 out of 250 people being a licensed attorney is a complete fabrication.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908343)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:00 PM
Author: Deranged forum sweet tailpipe

Last I heard there were roughly 250 Million people in the US (granted, last time I even checked this number was a few years ago).

I know for a fact that there are over 1 Million licensed attorneys in America because every major legal magazine ran a story last year when the landmark 1 Millionth license was handed out.

You do the math.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908372)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:02 PM
Author: Yapping navy alpha quadroon

there are way more than 250 mill people in the US.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908390)





Date: June 4th, 2006 9:41 PM
Author: Arousing Drunken Senate

http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html

298,901,118



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5909950)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:11 PM
Author: Fragrant Flirting Range

I dont need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows, and I dont need your fuzzy stats to know that the ratio is not 1/250. Think for a second about how many people don't even graduate high school. Then think about how many of those dont graduate college. Then think about how many of those dont get anything more than a BA. Add that to your own claims of all these poor people that cant even pass the bar

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908456)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:15 PM
Author: Deranged forum sweet tailpipe

According to www.census.gov, there are currently 298,899,985 people in America.

At the very LEAST, the ratio of lawyers-to-American citizens is 1:300. Does that number work better for you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908492)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:17 PM
Author: Slippery library crotch

does "licensed" mean "practicing"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908503)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:20 PM
Author: Yapping navy alpha quadroon

killingyousoftly seems to be very bad with interpreting basic facts. why is this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908527)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:21 PM
Author: Deranged forum sweet tailpipe

"Practicing" means "licensed", but not the other way around.

However, it would safe to assume that since the JD is a professional skills degree, that does not provide its holders with any special skills outside the legal field, that most people who are "licensed" make their living by "practicing" in some form or another.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908538)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:25 PM
Author: Slippery library crotch

don't a lot of people leave the profession, due to dissatisfaction? it's likely that they would keep an active license, however, for any number of reasons.

we need to know how many "licensed" lawyers are actually practicing 1) full time, 2) p/t, 3)occasionally, 4)never

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908580)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:29 PM
Author: Deranged forum sweet tailpipe

A lot of people leave Biglaw due to satisfaction, but not the profession as a whole. Many who can't stand firm life move on to government jobs, corporate in-house work, solo practice, etc. They still "practice", just in a different capacity.

Why do we need to know how many "licensed" lawyers are actually practicing?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908602)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:35 PM
Author: Slippery library crotch

because you were claiming that we had too many lawyers. your support was the number of "licensed" lawyers. but "licensed" does not necessarily mean "available" for work.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908643)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:27 PM
Author: Fragrant Flirting Range

That might be your worst assumption yet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908590)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:32 PM
Author: Deranged forum sweet tailpipe

Explain to me the logic in paying $150+K to attend a FTT or unaccredited law school, where the average graduate stands to make less than $35K upon graduation.

You might as well have just gotten a job out of college and worked your way up the ladder for 3 years.

The opportunity cost of attending most FTT's these days simply does not justify enrollment.

If a law school is not worth the tuition you pay to attend it...why keep it open?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908618)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:36 PM
Author: Fragrant Flirting Range

I never said people should go to them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908651)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:41 PM
Author: Deranged forum sweet tailpipe

touche.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908689)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:36 PM
Author: Slippery library crotch

because most of these people are perfectly fine with the shitty pay. they're more interested in saying, "hello, I'm a lawyer."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908654)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:39 PM
Author: Slippery library crotch
Subject: and here's another reason

Perhaps as a result of competition for attorney positions, lawyers are increasingly finding work in nontraditional areas for which legal training is an asset, but not normally a requirement—for example, administrative, managerial, and business positions in banks, insurance firms, real estate companies, government agencies, and other organizations. Employment opportunities are expected to continue to arise in these organizations at a growing rate.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908679)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:40 PM
Author: Yapping navy alpha quadroon

average starting salary =/= average lifetime salary.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908685)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:45 PM
Author: Deranged forum sweet tailpipe

That's right, there's always the chance they might strike gold as plaintiff's attorneys with a multi-million dollar tort suit against Big Oil or Big Tobacco.

Please do not attempt to argue that attending ANY law school, no matter how poor, is guaranteed to boost your lifetime earnings.

There are so many other types of grad/professional schools these folks could attend and stand to make more money in the long run.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908714)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:49 PM
Author: Yapping navy alpha quadroon

here it is again: "average starting salary =/= average lifetime salary." the reason i'm reposting it is because your response has almost nothing to do with it. thus, i'm assuming you misunderstood it. (a justified assumption, i'm sure you agree.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908739)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:55 PM
Author: Deranged forum sweet tailpipe

Perhaps you misunderstood my response.

I said FTT's/unaccredited schools are not worth the price of tuition (since their graduates make so little upon graduation).

You responded by saying that salary at graduation =/= average lifetime salary...thereby suggesting that perhaps their FTT law degrees will pay off "in the long run" (read: over their lifetime, if not immediately upon graduation).

My response challenged that presumption, suggesting alternatively that the same folks who attend FTT's/non-ABA schools would likely be better of "in the long run" by pursuing a whole different career, rather than wasting 3 years of income-earning (and $150+K in loans) to attend such a subpar institution.

Is this more clear?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908779)





Date: June 4th, 2006 7:03 PM
Author: Yapping navy alpha quadroon

very bad reasoning. first, if we were to extend your latest ridiculous, badly thought out reasoning a bit, we'd come to the conclusion that everyone should pursue a career in medicine, because they'd likely be better off "in the long run" than if they chose a career in law. this conclusion is so inherently moronic that it defeats itself. perhaps an HLS grad, whose lifetime earnings per year would likely approach multiples of a hundred thousand, should pursue a career as a professional basketball player, because pro basketball players make millions a year, on average, and thus, a pro basketball career is better "in the long run" for HLS grads.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908838)





Date: June 4th, 2006 7:12 PM
Author: Deranged forum sweet tailpipe

Wow, and you criticize me for thinking in black-and-white?

If you haven't gathered this fact yet, my posts speak in broad generalities.

Generally speaking, a graduate of a FTT/non-ABA school will ultimately regret their decision to attend (unless the title of "lawyer" is so self-gratifying that they will happily welcome unemployment/poverty to be called such by their friends and neighbors).

Perhaps I have known too many FTT's in my lifetime, or seen them begging for jobs on Craiglist too often...that I have arrived at my "poorly reasoned" conclusions. But they are my conclusions nonetheless. I simply don't see the need to perpetuate the creation of new law schools when so many competent and qualified JD's are unemployed/underemployed in this country.

If you wish to rebut this (or any other) post in this thread, please refer to my concession at the very bottom of the page.

Unfortunately, I have a brief due Tuesday which currently merits my attention.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908895)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:28 PM
Author: Arousing Drunken Senate

<< (a) the average JD practicing law (in some form) practices until age 50 >>

Where are you getting that figure from? I've read that the average lawyer is 47 years old. That means it's possible, but highly unlikely, that the average lawyer also leaves law at 50.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908598)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:37 PM
Author: Yapping navy alpha quadroon

i have no idea where you got the idea that i think TTTs serve a "higher" purpose. and your last sentence is the most retarded thing i've ever heard in my life. why are you being purposefully stupid dood?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908211)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:45 PM
Author: Deranged forum sweet tailpipe

Have you ever been to JDJive.com?

Spend a half hour reading threads there, and then tell me (honestly) that you don't think there are too many law schools in America.

When JD's (even decently qualified JD's) have to resort to paralegal jobs, clerical work, temp jobs, and contract doc review jobs...all just to make a living...it's a sign that the market is SATURATED with legal grads.

These new FTT's that are born every year or so (accepting students with sub-140 LSATS and sub-2.5 GPA's) are doing nothing more cashing in on all the hopes and dreams of complete dummies who grew up watching "The Practice" or "Ally McBeal" and are determined to become "lawyers" no matter what...even though, in reality, they don't have the intellect for it, and would likely make a better living in a different "skills" profession.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908268)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:54 PM
Author: Yapping navy alpha quadroon

that many graduates of a certain school do doc review or other unglamorous jobs doesn't mean that school should be closed. this is an important point which probably bears repeating, as i have no idea why you're not grasping it. the graduate of even the worst ABA law school isn't fatally unemployable, although their job hunt will be much harder than someone who graduated from Columbia. but that still doesn't mean we should close that school, unless you're saying we should close down all schools whose graduates tend to face a tough job hunt, in which case we'd have to close a great many law schools, undergraduate schools, community colleges, and a whole lot of other stuff

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908332)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:06 PM
Author: Deranged forum sweet tailpipe

"that still doesn't mean we should close that school, unless you're saying we should close down all schools whose graduates tend to face a tough job hunt"

There are some students in the T14 who face a tough job hunt (sad, but true).

There are many more who face a tough job hunt at schools ranked #15-#25.

And there are exponetially more students who face a tough job hunt as the schools fall below 30, 50, and 100...to the point where students attending unaccredited schools, online law schools, and rancid FTT's are virtually unemployable at graduation, regardless of their class rank.

Why do you wish to create so much competition among the lower-rungs of the profession?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908426)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:09 PM
Author: Yapping navy alpha quadroon

not all law school graduates are competing for a slave associate position at jones, night and day.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908448)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:18 PM
Author: Deranged forum sweet tailpipe

Jesus christ, get off this Biglaw kick. I'm not so simpleminded as to think that big firm life is the only possible legal profession.

Believe it or not, some T14 students have problems finding ANY legal employmant AT ALL. Some T14 students NEVER PASS THE BAR.

Now if these few T14 folks, highly academically credentialed, cannot find any gainful employment...what do you think becomes of graduates of schools that are a dozen leagues or so behind the T14 (those with paltry entry-level requirements and bar pass rates)?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908517)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:32 PM
Author: Yapping navy alpha quadroon

just in case it's not obvious yet, temporary unemployment (i.e., looking for a job at graduation) =/= unemployability.

"Believe it or not, some T14 students have problems finding ANY legal employmant AT ALL."

at worst, this is completely false. at best, it is meaningless, unless you define what "gainful" means.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908617)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:39 PM
Author: Deranged forum sweet tailpipe

What I mean is that many JD's are forced to work in NON-LEGAL jobs as a product of being otherwise unemployable.

I know of quite a few JD's working for banks, department stores, and even a strip mall shoe store (none of them in a legal capacity) who all *wanted* to be lawyers at graduation but either: (a) couldn't pass the bar; or (b) passed the bar, but couldn't find a living wage as an attorney, and turned elsewhere to make their living.

If you really believe that any Top 100 law school grad can find a job as a lawyer if they simply *try* hard enough...you're far more naive than I.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908684)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:45 PM
Author: Yapping navy alpha quadroon

um, graduates who can't pass the bar *shouldn't* be able to find gainful employment as lawyers. you're acting as if it's remarkable that a bar failee should have trouble finding legal work. oh, and NON-LEGAL, even when capitalized, does not mean the opposite of "gainful."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908716)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:51 PM
Author: Deranged forum sweet tailpipe

Perhaps I should've qualfied my post as "gainful LEGAL" employment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908751)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:49 PM
Author: Fragrant Flirting Range

By your claims, one would get the impression that 2/3 of the country has graduated law school.

"If you really believe that any Top 100 law school grad can find a job as a lawyer if they simply *try* hard enough...you're far more naive than I."

Of course not, plenty of idiots can try all day and still fail. Thats one of the few saving graces of the bar

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908742)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:55 PM
Author: Slippery library crotch

lol, we don't need a nanny state. adults take risks. adults live with the outcomes. the function of gov't is not to protect you from yourself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908344)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:17 PM
Author: sapphire hateful volcanic crater
Subject: JdJive

I'm a regular on JdJIve and have posted there off and on since I finished law school.

Jdjive is only one small message board. My attorney friends don't even know it exists (and if they do, they are amused by it and don't take any of the BS posted there that seriously).

For all we know, the posts are made by a minority of bitter and disgruntled unemployed law grads..and just need to vent on a public message board. For all we know, it could be 5 people who post 50 messages a day. You can't judge the entire legal profession based on 1 message board, for cripes sake, there is a thread with 200 messages about how Fordham Law is a toilet school...thats as bad as this board trashing schools in the Top 25 as 'toilets'. Give me a break.

I attended what many on this board would call a TT (NYC Tier 2) and turned out just fine job-wise. So did many of my classmates at the T2 and several others from SJU, Hofstra, NYLS and Pace. The ones who are whining on JdJive are the non-ABA grads who feel insecure about their employment chances or the bar retakers who feel the need to create alter egos to make it seem like the profession is worse than it is.

HTH.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908506)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:24 PM
Author: Deranged forum sweet tailpipe

Again, I never said anything about shutting down 2nd tier schools or schools like NYLS and Pace. But non-ABA law schools, for-profit law schools, and correspondance law schools appear to serve no purpose other than to increased the unemployed population of JD's.

They are simply not worth the cost of admission, and therefore, are more of a burden than a service-provider.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908560)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:35 PM
Author: provocative dingle berry dilemma

I would take it further and cut down 3rd and 4th tier schools. 2nd tier ones can take care of private claims.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908645)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:38 PM
Author: Racy Therapy

you also seem to think that third tier and fourth tier law schools should be shut down.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908670)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:49 PM
Author: Deranged forum sweet tailpipe

Not all of them, just those with horrendously low admissions standards and bar pass rates.

If you score below a 140 on an exam scored between 120-180, chances are not greatly in your favor that you will pass the Bar Exam (an exam of MINIMAL legal competence in most states).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908737)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:52 PM
Author: Racy Therapy

what accredited school admits non-URM's with 140s?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908767)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:55 PM
Author: provocative dingle berry dilemma

140 should killself. 140?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908780)





Date: June 4th, 2006 7:10 PM
Author: Racy Therapy

well that was not responsive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908874)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:46 PM
Author: provocative dingle berry dilemma

The OP's idiotic argument goes the following:

1) high number of lawyers exist because there is a demand for TTT lawyers.

2) This demand is controlled by market force.

Assumption: Anything created by the market force is Good and should be tolerated.

Therefore, Ambulence chasers are good.

Something to this effect. The OP equates demand produced by market with being justified.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908276)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:52 PM
Author: bipolar police squad

the very fact that we call them TTT's indicates that demand is not on their side. Notice how there are no TTT med students or TTT med schools. Even "ttt" doctors make crazy $$$.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908323)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:39 PM
Author: Racy Therapy

alternatively, this could be an argument for opening more medical schools. not everyone wants to or can afford to pay "crazy $$$" for medical care.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908682)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:59 PM
Author: Fragrant Flirting Range

The ambulance chaser part was a separate point, not a conclusion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908367)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:07 PM
Author: provocative dingle berry dilemma

Not really. The ambulance chaser thing was further elaboration.

The main point was that we shouldn't cut down the number of law schools.

And the OP's evidence was the market force..oooooo

We don't need TTT lawyers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908431)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:19 PM
Author: Yapping navy alpha quadroon

aside from the one or two liberal faggots, or the group of trust fund communists, not many people at the most prestigious schools will ever choose to work for a public interest outfit or as a defense attorney in some TTT district. without TTTs and their TTT graduates, huge segments of the population will have their legal needs ignored. this of course will lead to death, because the poors will revolt and inevitably kill each other. after killing themselves, the poors will then focus their attention on the rest of us.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908520)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:24 PM
Author: provocative dingle berry dilemma

You are giving an extremely hypothetical situation where TTT attorneys disappear overnight.

The market structure will gradually change. Harvard students will have to take small cases. And by that time sole practice will not be looked down upon. They will still be called attorneys and highly respected.

When is the last time some one made fun of their local family physician just because he doesn't work at a big hospital?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908565)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:37 PM
Author: Yapping navy alpha quadroon

whoa, this is very bad reasoning. if the only options available to a great majority of HLS students was a $35k a year gig at a public interest place, or the arduous prospect of starting a solo practice (i'm not sure you understand what starting a solo practice entails), then attending HLS confers no benefit, or not enough of a benefit to waste $150k and 3 years of your professional earning years. your post really makes no sense

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908659)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:41 PM
Author: provocative dingle berry dilemma

Woah. Once again. you are in your hypothetical world. THINK!

By that time a HLS sole practioner will not make 35K. He will make way more since he will get many more cases.

I don't think you have any clue what solo practice is. You probably read shit on this board but that is probably it huh?

Instead of there being 20 local attorneys to call and price shop around, consumers will have only 2~3 lawyers in town.

So ..do the math. And trust me. 35K lawyers are 35K lawyers because they have time left over.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908694)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:56 PM
Author: Yapping navy alpha quadroon

examine your claim for a moment, becuase i'm not sure you've considered all its implications. ask yourself why an HLS grad (as opposed to a loyola grad, or a student who could only get into a TTT) is deserving of "more cases." ask yourself why a loyola grad doesn't deserve the opportunity to earn the privilege of proclaiming himself a lawyer. beyond that, ask yourself what will happen when consumers no longer have 20 lawyers to choose from, but only one. have you considered these things? or do you even understand them?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908785)





Date: June 4th, 2006 7:10 PM
Author: provocative dingle berry dilemma

Yes. The prestige will go up.

Loyola solo practitioners rip people off. HLS student (with so much prestige) will have that conservative noble paternalistic mentality. He will treat his clients like his children.

Arent' you the one who said TTT loyola lawyers are making 35K? This would imply that some lawyers are not really getting enough cases. Why not cut down the number of lawyers and see if there are enough cases.

The negative connotation attached to "solo practice" will disappear.

PReSTIGE!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908878)





Date: June 4th, 2006 7:18 PM
Author: Yapping navy alpha quadroon

LOL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908936)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:44 PM
Author: provocative dingle berry dilemma

solo practice will NOT be the same. It will be kind of like your local physician. that level of respect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908709)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:33 PM
Author: titillating space fat ankles

3rd, 4th and 2nd tier schools all serve a useful purpose: the graduates of these schools become defense attorneys, ambulance chasers, corporate attorneys, judges, and public interest advocates.

judges? you've gotta be kidding me

public interest advocates? a lot of these people are highly credentialed. The failing grads who need money are working temp jobs.

I'm not going to continue. You're a moron.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908185)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:38 PM
Author: Yapping navy alpha quadroon

"I'm not going to continue."

good idea.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908214)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:23 PM
Author: Fragrant Flirting Range

Who gives a shit. So you have to actually do good work to build a rep for yourself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908116)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:24 PM
Author: bipolar police squad

ha! If only it were that simple. Shitloads of people coming out of TTT's NEVER pass the bar.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908125)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:28 PM
Author: Fragrant Flirting Range

good, then you shouldnt be worried about the erosion of the barrier of entry

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908153)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:18 PM
Author: Harsh Den

120

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908080)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:23 PM
Author: cream pervert

Lawyers are not pop-tarts or widgets. Please try again.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908112)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:25 PM
Author: Fragrant Flirting Range

Law stopped being a 'learned profession' a long, long time ago. Its a business and all types of people are needed to fill roles.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908130)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:29 PM
Author: cream pervert

My point is that not everything can be justified or explained simply in terms of supply and demand. Yes there is a supply of lawyers and a demand for lawyers, but the market for lawyers is vastly more complicated, and its impact more far-reaching, than the market for some meaningless material good.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908161)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:34 PM
Author: Fragrant Flirting Range

If you believe we have too much litigation, wouldnt it make more sense to change the laws rather than the supply of lawyers?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908192)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:38 PM
Author: bipolar police squad

the trial lawyer lobby is to powerful and who the fuck do you think sits in congress? Lawyers thats who.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908213)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:38 PM
Author: cream pervert

Economic forces (too many lawyers, not enough work) have a way of subverting or avoiding inflexible codified rules. It's better to control incentives than to attempt to control their consequences.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908218)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:41 PM
Author: Slippery library crotch

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908240)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:49 PM
Author: cream pervert

??

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908300)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:43 PM
Author: Fragrant Flirting Range

There is enough work

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908252)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:48 PM
Author: cream pervert

I wish I could find a link to the paper, but the gist of it is that beyond a certain optimum number, an excess of lawyers are actually a drag on the economy. The country becomes overly litigious, and suffers as a consequence. There is enough work because lawyers create their own work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908293)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:03 PM
Author: Slippery library crotch

now there's an "optimum" number of lawyers. you're def. in contention for greatest actor in a comedy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908402)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:05 PM
Author: cream pervert

All of your counter-arguments are well supported and on-topic. You don't look like an idiot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908419)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:07 PM
Author: Slippery library crotch

i enjoyed the irony of this post.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908435)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:14 PM
Author: cream pervert

Keep dodging you clueless retard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908482)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:18 PM
Author: Slippery library crotch

why are you so angry? are you one of those ttt grad's doing temp work?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908519)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:20 PM
Author: cream pervert

I'm not angry at all. I was just stating a fact.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908530)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:23 PM
Author: Slippery library crotch

opinion \= fact

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908555)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:29 PM
Author: cream pervert

You were dodging and you are a clueless retard. It is not my opinion, it is fact.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908603)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:33 PM
Author: Slippery library crotch

i pointed out that the market is a great regulator of the demand for lawyers. further constraints are unnecessary. i'm unsure as to why this point is lost on you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908626)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:35 PM
Author: cream pervert

Where?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908641)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:37 PM
Author: Slippery library crotch

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908344

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908664)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:48 PM
Author: cream pervert

That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Also, govt has a role in protecting society as a whole, which is what we're talking about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908735)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:21 PM
Author: Fragrant Flirting Range

Actually, in 2000 the ABA estimated that only 1/3 of the demand for legal work was being met.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908533)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:27 PM
Author: cream pervert

That seems preposterous.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908589)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:31 PM
Author: Slippery library crotch

Employment of lawyers is expected to grow about as fast as average for all occupations through 2014, primarily as a result of growth in the population and in the general level of business activities. Job growth among lawyers also will result from increasing demand for legal services in such areas as health care, intellectual property, venture capital, energy, elder, antitrust, and environmental law.

In addition, the wider availability and affordability of legal clinics should result in increased use of legal services by middle-income people. However, growth in demand for lawyers will be limited as businesses, in an effort to reduce costs, increasingly use large accounting firms and paralegals to perform some of the same functions that lawyers do. For example, accounting firms may provide employee-benefit counseling, process documents, or handle various other services previously performed by a law firm. Also, mediation and dispute resolution increasingly are being used as alternatives to litigation.

Competition for job openings should continue to be keen because of the large number of students graduating from law school each year. Graduates with superior academic records from highly regarded law schools will have the best job opportunities.

Perhaps as a result of competition for attorney positions, lawyers are increasingly finding work in nontraditional areas for which legal training is an asset, but not normally a requirement—for example, administrative, managerial, and business positions in banks, insurance firms, real estate companies, government agencies, and other organizations. Employment opportunities are expected to continue to arise in these organizations at a growing rate.

As in the past, some graduates may have to accept positions in areas outside of their field of interest or for which they feel overqualified. Some recent law school graduates who have been unable to find permanent positions are turning to the growing number of temporary staffing firms that place attorneys in short-term jobs until they are able to secure full-time positions. This service allows companies to hire lawyers on an “as-needed” basis and permits beginning lawyers to develop practical skills while looking for permanent positions.

Because of the keen competition for jobs, a law graduate’s geographic mobility and work experience assume greater importance. The willingness to relocate may be an advantage in getting a job, but to be licensed in another State, a lawyer may have to take an additional State bar examination. In addition, employers are increasingly seeking graduates who have advanced law degrees and experience in a specialty, such as tax, patent, or admiralty law.

Employment growth for lawyers will continue to be concentrated in salaried jobs, as businesses and all levels of government employ a growing number of staff attorneys and as employment in the legal services industry grows. Most salaried positions are in urban areas where government agencies, law firms, and big corporations are concentrated. The number of self-employed lawyers is expected to decrease slowly, reflecting the difficulty of establishing a profitable new practice in the face of competition from larger, established law firms. Moreover, the growing complexity of law, which encourages specialization, along with the cost of maintaining up-to-date legal research materials, favors larger firms.

For lawyers who wish to work independently, establishing a new practice will probably be easiest in small towns and expanding suburban areas. In such communities, competition from larger, established law firms is likely to be less keen than in big cities, and new lawyers may find it easier to become known to potential clients.

Some lawyers are adversely affected by cyclical swings in the economy. During recessions, demand declines for some discretionary legal services, such as planning estates, drafting wills, and handling real estate transactions. Also, corporations are less likely to litigate cases when declining sales and profits result in budgetary restrictions. Some corporations and law firms will not hire new attorneys until business improves, and these establishments may even cut staff to contain costs. Several factors, however, mitigate the overall impact of recessions on lawyers; during recessions, for example, individuals and corporations face other legal problems, such as bankruptcies, foreclosures, and divorces requiring legal action.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908615)





Date: June 4th, 2006 9:43 PM
Author: Arousing Drunken Senate

"Demand," in the economic sense, refers to WILLINGNESS and ABILITY to acquire a good or service. It most certainly does not just refer to willingness. If that were the case, it would have no meaning because who doesn't want everything?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5909954)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:40 PM
Author: Yapping navy alpha quadroon

"meaningless material good"

eh.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908229)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:43 PM
Author: provocative dingle berry dilemma

You are being such an ignorant fool. Just stfu and kill self. The market can't explain why TTTs schools continue to produce unemployeed lawyers.

We as a society have a problem. And ambulence chasers do create their own demands (although this is un-econ way of thinking).

Ambulence chasers are not important part of the system. They create their own demand. It's is sort of like digging a hole and filling it up with sand again.

The ultimate question is: Is a market system that produce unnecessary ambulence chasers in itself problematic? yes. Can we fix that? Sure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908254)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:51 PM
Author: Fragrant Flirting Range

Its understandable why an ambulance chase would be hated by Warren Buffet or Hank Greenberg, but the average worker shouldnt mind them. they are much more likely to be a plaintiff.

Personal injury litigation improves the safety of products and decreases malpractice. Likewise, it opens a door to justice that would otherwise be unavailable to the poor. The fact that ambulance chasers do it for self-serving reasons is simply part of our free market society

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908318)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:55 PM
Author: cream pervert

There are serious negative consequences that arise from an excess of frivolous litigation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908339)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:58 PM
Author: Fragrant Flirting Range

Yes, just as there are serious consequences of too many frivolous defenses of valid claims. A blanket rejection of 'too much litigation' favors the powerful.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908356)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:01 PM
Author: cream pervert

I disagree. I cannot prove you wrong, but I'd like to see some proof from your end concerning the benefits accrued to the poor because your argument in itself is unconvincing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908386)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:09 PM
Author: Fragrant Flirting Range

The alternative is to do nothing, or at best less. Personal injury type work increases litigation by people who wouldnt otherwise know they have a right for repayment of wrongdoing in a court of law. Whether thats from segregation, malpractice, radiation, cigarettes etc., instituting a blanket reduction on litigation favors those in power - primarily the govt or large corporations. Its slightly ironic that the corporate attorney from an elite school who represents a tobacco company is highly regarded but the ttt personal injury attorney is villified.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908447)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:18 PM
Author: cream pervert

It's your assumption that personal injury is little guy versus corporation that's unsubstantiated. It would be just as plausible that it's little guy versus "mr chow's chicken shack". In this case, little guy gets massive settlement, and mr chow ( also a lttle guy) gets fucked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908515)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:23 PM
Author: sapphire hateful volcanic crater
Subject: from a defense attorneys perspective

"t would be just as plausible that it's little guy versus "mr chow's chicken shack". In this case, little guy gets massive settlement, and mr chow ( also a lttle guy) gets fucked."

Actually no. The little guy wil take home several thousand dollars as part of a global settlement, while the "Chicken Truck"'s insurance company will be writing out the check. Nothing will happen to the truck man, apart from a rise in premiums. It works like car insurance, the more risk you portray, the more you pay.....



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908556)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:34 PM
Author: cream pervert

"apart from a rise in premiums"

Sounds like getting fucked to me.

Nor would this be an isolated incident, as every owner of a "chicken truck" type business would eventually have to pay higher premiums to compensate for the higher risk of litigation. The higher cost of running the business would push a certain amount of Mr chows out of the market, and little Chinny Chow would not have any food on her plate.

Why do you want little chinese girls to starve?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908631)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:42 PM
Author: Fragrant Flirting Range

If the guy gets sick from Mr Chow serving sweet and sour pigeon, a lawsuit decreases the risk of someone else getting sick both from Mr. Chow and his rival Hunan.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908700)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:54 PM
Author: cream pervert

Right, but does the guy getting sick deserve a 3 million dollar settlement for "emotional damages"? Especially when the consequence of this settlement is to deprive the respectable huan of huan's spicy chicken feet of a job and consumers of delicious, mobile chinese fare.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908772)





Date: June 7th, 2006 8:28 PM
Author: Fragrant Flirting Range

A) What one deserves from a given settlement is a

completely separate issue. You can have a reasonable

settlement without eliminating the lawsuit altogether.

B) While any outrageous settlement is one too many, it

stands to reason that such settlements are very rare.

Otherwise, you would see more 'prestigious' grads

doing personal injury. People sell out for a lot

less money and for a lot more questionable schemes than

suing a restaurant.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5933744)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:21 PM
Author: provocative dingle berry dilemma

Wow. A typical ambulance chaser mentality.

Don't you think there are better ways to inform possible victims than to allow TTT lawyers to file frivolous claims?

A devils advocate from a top laws chool is NOT highly regarded. I know that both sides are evil. The plaintiff's attorney files a stupid claim. The defense attorney talks shit on the plaintiff's attorney (calling him evil/douche/TTT/what not) but purposely drags the case for years with an intention of settling after few years. He has to milk the big companies before letting them go ;)

But...there are other ways than allowing this to go on.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908537)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:26 PM
Author: Fragrant Flirting Range

"Don't you think there are better ways to inform possible victims than to allow TTT lawyers to file frivolous claims?"

Absolutely. But until the system is changed, they comprise a necessary evil. Limiting the supply of lawyers is not the way to change the system.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908584)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:11 PM
Author: provocative dingle berry dilemma

Dude. A frivolous defense does not HARM the society as much as a frivolous claim. Think about it. No I am not going to say it. Just think about it. It will help you when you start Vandy in the fall. There IS a big difference.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908461)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:14 PM
Author: Fragrant Flirting Range

I never said they were equal, dOOd. And if the claim is weak, the market effect of the contingency-fee mechanism will likely prevent a lawsuit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908484)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:33 PM
Author: provocative dingle berry dilemma

Nope.

have you heard of settlement? And some times the defendant can't ask for attorney's fee so the losing plaintiff does not have ANYthings pulling him back.

9/10 cases settle outside the court right?

Look, I understand where you are coming from. And I have issues with not only ambulance chasers but the evil big firms too. But frivolous claims are harmful.

How many times did you hear, "ewww.. you are gonna be a lawyer?....aren't there too many of them?"

IN OTHER COUNTRIES WHERE LAWYERS ARE REGARDED MORE PRESTIGIOUS THAN DOCTORS, you don't hear "ewww. lawyer?" You hear, "ohhh...I will let you fuck my daughter anyday sir."

For the sake of our prestige! For gods sake, we don't need TTT lawyers. Trust me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908628)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:46 PM
Author: Fragrant Flirting Range

Trust me, I wish it was more prestigious but unfortunately thats not reason enough... those other countries are also more prone to getting railed by the govt and big business... If it was that great elesewhere, why would you want to practice in the US?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908722)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:54 PM
Author: provocative dingle berry dilemma

Because of three reasons:

1) english is the only language I speak

2) I probably can't pass other countries ridiculous hard bar

3) I probably will make more money here.

don't you think asking me why I won't practice outside the US is childish? Come on. You know that's immature.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908777)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:35 PM
Author: provocative dingle berry dilemma

usually the plaintiff harrasses the defense to settle.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908640)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:20 PM
Author: Ruby kitchen cuckoldry

we don't have enough law schools. firms are so desperate for lawyers they are willing to pay 145k to people with no experience. the ABA needs to get in gear and start accrediting more schools

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908089)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:23 PM
Author: cream pervert

Joke?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908115)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:25 PM
Author: Yapping navy alpha quadroon

it's his shtick. sometimes his sarcasm is sweetly subtle; sometimes it's retarded and comes off as bad humor.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908128)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:28 PM
Author: titillating space fat ankles

Only a FAG would refer to himself as "enchilada". hth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908150)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:29 PM
Author: Yapping navy alpha quadroon

this is true.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908162)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:31 PM
Author: cream pervert

He's an excellent poster, so I give him the benefit of the doubt when I diagree. You, on the other hand, are off to a shitty start.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908170)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:27 PM
Author: Slippery library crotch

he means we don't have enough QUALITY law schools

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908147)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:46 PM
Author: Irradiated territorial dysfunction theatre

To equalize supply and demand, the ABA should eliminate 22-100, T3, and T4.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908277)





Date: June 4th, 2006 5:57 PM
Author: supple indian lodge

even that really isnt necessary, make the number a nice round 100.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908352)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:00 PM
Author: Yapping navy alpha quadroon

haha

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908376)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:34 PM
Author: Arousing Drunken Senate

Prices (i.e. salaries) will have no trouble equalizing supply and demand.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908639)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:51 PM
Author: Racy Therapy

nah, let's get rid of all of 3-187. yale and stanford, one on each coast.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908757)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:57 PM
Author: provocative dingle berry dilemma

Now THAT is going against the market force . We need more lawyers than that.

We don't need TTTs.

Good luck at vandy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908799)





Date: June 4th, 2006 7:12 PM
Author: Racy Therapy

no way man, lawyers just sue people which is inefficient because it's like digging holes and filling them in again. therefore the fewer lawyers the better. cut it back to these two schools and you only get about 370 new lawyers per year. THAT IS HYPER-EFFICIENT!!!!1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908890)





Date: June 4th, 2006 10:30 PM
Author: provocative dingle berry dilemma

You need more than that! 200+ lawschools with 70% bar passage rate is ridiculous. But having 2 schools sounds as ridiculous. Try to find a middle ground!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5910325)





Date: June 7th, 2006 8:43 PM
Author: Racy Therapy

no! litigation is a drain on society! your analysis is flawless! only about 375 lawyers per year means litigation would be even more expensive and therefore there would be less of it! HOLY TESTICULAR ELEPHANTITIS BATMAN, IT IS SO FUCKING EFFICIENT!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5933861)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:14 PM
Author: Diverse talking crackhouse internal respiration

yes, but it's a moot point, because aside from about 6 or 7 schools we won't have to come across people from the vast majority of law schools. well, you might. but i won't. hahahaha losers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908485)





Date: June 4th, 2006 6:25 PM
Author: Arousing Drunken Senate

It depends what your goals are. If you have goals more like the public's goals, then there might not be enough law schools. If you have goals more like those of someone who is or will be going to a decent law school, then there are probably far too many law schools.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908575)





Date: June 4th, 2006 7:05 PM
Author: Deranged forum sweet tailpipe

Bull Connor, mirror, and J. Cohen win.

There are clearly not enough law schools in America, and so long as the market is willing to bear the creation of new law schools, everyone else should just deal with it.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908846)





Date: June 4th, 2006 7:11 PM
Author: provocative dingle berry dilemma

The market is obviously not willing if there are many 35K TTT lawyers (according to Bull Connor).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908888)





Date: June 4th, 2006 7:14 PM
Author: Deranged forum sweet tailpipe

You can handle these folks, somatic. Regrettably, I have a brief to write this evening and cannot pursue this argument any further.

God speed in fighting the good fight.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5908909)





Date: June 4th, 2006 7:55 PM
Author: provocative dingle berry dilemma

I have to go too. READE! Are there. help me out!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5909231)





Date: June 4th, 2006 9:58 PM
Author: lake hell trust fund

why do you faggots care if some crappy lawyers will never get jobs? It's none of your concern. There's no need to regulate how many law schools because people can't practice unless they pass the bar. But in any case, allowing more lawyers is never a matter of life and death. At least for doctors, allowing more doctors could literally be a matter of life or death because of the nature of their profession. All the talk about the drain on society is stupid bullshit, but if for some reason it's necessary to reduce the number of lawyers, it makes more sense to make the bar more difficult than pick and choose which schools should choose

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5910067)





Date: June 4th, 2006 10:28 PM
Author: provocative dingle berry dilemma

Bar in US=joke

TTT attorneys=damaging general prestige of REAL attorneys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5910312)





Date: June 7th, 2006 7:55 PM
Author: Know-it-all boyish lay

anyone who thinks we should shut down T3 and T4 schools has obviously never been bitten by their neighbor's dog, had trouble getting a security deposit back from a landlord, or been sold a lemon by a used car salesman.

This isn't mocking. Day to day shit like that happens ALLLLLLLL time time and a TTT lawyer is still 1000 times better equipped to deal with it than a non-lawyer.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5933516)





Date: June 7th, 2006 8:42 PM
Author: bipolar police squad

and there are more than enough T2 and even T1 lawyers handling cases like this that the t3 and t4 variety have one hell of a hard time even getting work like this. There are schools where 9 months after graduation roughly 1/3 of students or more are unemployed, these poor people have basically wasted 3 years and 100k.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427849&forum_id=2#5933855)