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QUESTION about biglaw life
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Date: February 8th, 2010 10:00 AM Author: twisted church yarmulke What do partners/older associates think of people who come in out of law school, pay off loans quickly, and leave as soon as possible? Do they take this shit personally, like when the associate is all like oh hey btw I got this other offer I'm leaving in a month. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1216345&forum_id=2#14053665) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 10:02 AM Author: Bright Senate Stain why do you care about what they think? unless you want to come back to biglaw, it shouldn't matter.
btw, most associates leave biglaw within a few years, for a variety of reasons. i don't think most partners spend sleepless nights searching for those reasons tho. |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 10:32 AM Author: twisted church yarmulke I'm just curious bro. Like if they would feel suckered and used and tell other firms never to hire me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1216345&forum_id=2#14053810) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 10:36 AM Author: Bright Senate Stain if you give them sufficient notice, do good work until you leave and don't otherwise burn your bridges, i think most non-aspies would understand. in fact, if you do all that and you are a quality lawyer, they would prob even consider taking you back at some point in the future. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1216345&forum_id=2#14053831) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 12:58 PM Author: Copper Slippery Theater Alpha You think too much.
Of course not. |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 10:02 AM Author: Unhinged base Not surprisingly, different people view this differently. Keep in mind that attrition is built into the system, so they expect most people to leave in a few years to do other shit. Of course, the problem is when their star associate is the one who leaves. Then they're annoyed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1216345&forum_id=2#14053671) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 10:20 AM Author: Bright Senate Stain are you learning mandarin so you can apply for that job? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1216345&forum_id=2#14053757) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 10:41 AM Author: Unhinged base I'm working on other projects that are probably a better use of my time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1216345&forum_id=2#14053853) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 10:59 AM Author: Bright Senate Stain good luck dood. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1216345&forum_id=2#14053925) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 10:31 AM Author: Vibrant headpube this is sometimes mitigated by the star senior associate going to a major client if that person then funnels work back to the firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1216345&forum_id=2#14053806) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 10:46 AM Author: Unhinged base They would rather have a non-star associate do that exact thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1216345&forum_id=2#14053864) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 10:45 AM Author: sexy corn cake They think of it as just business. If the "other offer" is with a client they'll see it as a compliment to your work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1216345&forum_id=2#14053862) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 10:56 AM Author: twisted church yarmulke I highly doubt I'll be going to a client. I've been here a year and am doing just menial shit work (which supposdly never happened in biglaw). I'm not even on a clients radar. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1216345&forum_id=2#14053909) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 10:58 AM Author: sexy corn cake Menial shit work is 80% of what happens in biglaw, especially in your first year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1216345&forum_id=2#14053920) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 12:49 PM Author: blue orchestra pit mother no one "takes it personally," whatever the fuck that means (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1216345&forum_id=2#14054672) |
Date: February 8th, 2010 11:01 AM Author: Metal nighttime gas station Man hell no.
I still talk to some people every now and again at my biglaw firm. No one gives a shit if you leave. You're expected to; the only question is when.
I caught a little bit of shit b/c I left too early for the firm to recoup costs spent on me. But no one gave a shit really. At all. |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 11:02 AM Author: twisted church yarmulke How many years/months before you left? What did you transition to? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1216345&forum_id=2#14053941) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 11:06 AM Author: Metal nighttime gas station I left in a year and a half. I would've left sooner if i had another job lined up. I transitioned right into a position as a gov't atty once I got the offer. Been doing that ever since. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1216345&forum_id=2#14053958) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 11:26 AM Author: twisted church yarmulke Way to go man that's kinda my strategy. Did you go to gov't work that had to do with what you were doing in biglaw or was it unrelated? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1216345&forum_id=2#14054062) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 11:32 AM Author: Metal nighttime gas station What i did in biglaw is totally totally different than what i do now. Many biglaw firms have the topic i work with now, but i'm never, ever going back.
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Date: February 8th, 2010 11:54 AM Author: twisted church yarmulke I am insanely fucking jealous of you. Since about 2 months in I fantasize about a different job. What are gov't hours like (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1216345&forum_id=2#14054243) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 12:06 PM Author: Metal nighttime gas station Nah don't be jealous. Biglaw money is really good. You will defintiely miss that once you leave.
My hours vary. In a tough week I might work 50 hours. In a slow week I might work 30. I can telework if I want to which is nice. |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 12:12 PM Author: comical giraffe heaven howd you get the govt job? i want one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1216345&forum_id=2#14054371) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 12:17 PM Author: Metal nighttime gas station -I had a ton of connections at the agency i went to work for.
-I worked very very hard on my resume and the application.
-Some luck.
Some gov't jobs are not all that hot. OGC offices are the best positions IMO. Atty Advisor positions are ok, but don't give you good experience from what I've been told. |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 12:14 PM Author: twisted church yarmulke Jesus. 50 is the bare minimum for me.
As for money - it's mainly going to debt anyway. Also I have zero time to enjoy the fruits of my money.
How'd you get that job. Can you elaborate at all on your particular position? |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 12:20 PM Author: Metal nighttime gas station My biglaw money went to debt too. alot of my current salary goes to debt, just a lot less than before.
See above for how i got the job. it has its ups, but definitely downs.
My position: I work in an Office of General Counsel position. Soon, I'll be leaving this position for a policy advisor type of position because i just want to do something else.
I'm sorry i can't elaborate too much. i do not want to be outted. |
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Date: February 9th, 2010 1:55 AM Author: effete school cafeteria Good for you. I have a few questions, if you don't mind...
Why do you say that OGC jobs are better? What is the difference between an OGC job and other federal government positions?
Do federal government jobs (other than DOJ) drug test?
For someone interested in eventually transitioning back to a law firm, are there any federal attorney jobs that are transactional?
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Date: February 9th, 2010 2:36 AM Author: misunderstood den partner never going back? you're perfectly ok knowing that the very peak of your career will be at $153,000? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1216345&forum_id=2#14063292) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 1:16 PM Author: arrogant cocky ceo The biglaw model depends on heavy attrition. Most people at the firm will not take it personally when you leave, indeed, the partners will be happy to have increased leverage. They will probably barely notice. Although biglaw attorneys are often made to believe they are indispensable, this is mostly a trick to milk long hours out of them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1216345&forum_id=2#14054874) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 1:18 PM Author: judgmental aquamarine philosopher-king u realize that partners have decreased leverage when associates leave, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1216345&forum_id=2#14054889) |
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Date: February 9th, 2010 12:27 AM Author: Big corner goyim At most big firms there are so many associates coming in and out that no partner is really going to give a shit about decreased leverage when associates lave. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1216345&forum_id=2#14061615) |
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Date: February 9th, 2010 1:56 AM Author: judgmental aquamarine philosopher-king yeah that's true but he said partners would be happy to have increased leverage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1216345&forum_id=2#14062939) |
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Date: February 9th, 2010 2:59 AM Author: Big corner goyim yeah, one freaking associate isnt going to change a big law firms leverage.. even ten won't (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1216345&forum_id=2#14063421) |