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Date: June 11th, 2007 8:38 PM Author: Appetizing coral stage mexican Subject: Notice of lawsuit pending vs. certain AutoAdmit posters To the defendants listed below, you are being sued in the United States District Court for the District of Connecticut. The defendants are the persons using the following pseudonyms on the website autoadmit.com or xoxohth.com: Pauliewalnuts; neoprag; STANFORDtroll; :D; :D (Hillary v. Jeb’08); MoreDoughHi; Remember when I said I would kill you last? I lied; lkjhgf; yalelaw; Spanky; ylsdooder; Community Norm; HI; David Carr (Glass of water for Mr. Grainger); vincimus; Beach Body Brady; Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey; Todd Christopher; A horse walks into a bar (saving one CPGWBT at a time); The Ayatollah of Rock-n-Rollah; DRACULA; Sleazy Z; Whamo (Let me lay it on the line, he had two on the vine); Ari Gold; Ugly Women; playboytroll; Get_to_da_choppa; Dean_Harold_Koh. The allegations are as follows: copyright infringement under 17 U.S.C. § 501; appropriation of another’s name or likeness; unreasonable publicity given to another’s life; publicity that places another in a false light before the public; intentional infliction of emotional distress; negligent infliction of emotional distress; and defamation.
The plaintiffs are attempting to serve you with a complaint and summons in a civil action. The text of the summons appears below. So that we may deliver a copy of the summons and complaint to you, please provide your complete contact information to the following email address: drosenlaw@gmail.com.
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT DISTRICT OF CONNECTICUT
SUMMONS IN A CIVIL CASE
CASE NUMBER: 307CV00909 CFD
I. (a) PLAINTIFFS DOE I, and DOE II
v.
DEFENDANTS Anthony Ciolli; Individuals, whose true names are unknown, using the following pseudonyms: Pauliewalnuts; neoprag; STANFORDtroll; :D; :D (Hillary v. Jeb’08); MoreDoughHi; Remember when I said I would kill you last? I lied; lkjhgf; yalelaw; Spanky; ylsdooder; Community Norm; HI; David Carr (Glass of water for Mr. Grainger); vincimus; Beach Body Brady; Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey; Todd Christopher; A horse walks into a bar (saving one CPGWBT at a time); The Ayatollah of Rock-n-Rollah; DRACULA; Sleazy Z; Whamo (Let me lay it on the line, he had two on the vine); Ari Gold; Ugly Women; playboytroll; Get_to_da_choppa; Dean_Harold_Koh
YOU ARE HEREBY SUMMONED and required to serve upon PLAINTIFF’S ATTORNEY David N. Rosen, Esq. David Rosen & Associates, P.C. 400 Orange Street, New Haven, CT 06511
an answer to the complaint which is herewith served upon you, within twenty days after service of this summons upon you, exclusive of the day of service. If you fail to do so, judgment by default will be taken against you for the relief demanded in the complaint. You must also file your answer with the Clerk of this Court within a reasonable period of time after service.
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Date: June 11th, 2007 8:45 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap THIS SEEMS LEGIT. This case isn't in pacer, yet. https://ecf.ctd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/login.pl
The case no., however, is too accurate to be flame. The highest case no. in PACER is 3:07-cv-00902, for a case filed on 6/8. That makes a new case with 909 a possibility. No flame would be so meticulous as to get the case number right. The supposed judge on this case (last three letters of case no.) is http://www.ctd.uscourts.gov/droney.htm . The defendants might want to call his clerk to see if this case exists. Edit: or better yet call the courthouse so as not to overwhelm his clerk. He seems to be in the Hartford Courthouse http://www.ctd.uscourts.gov/htfd.htm . |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 8:46 PM Author: Multi-colored Community Account Locale upload the PDF (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243906) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 8:46 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap It's not in PACER, yet. Besides, I'm not sure you're allowed to post a complaint you got off of PACER. Their system might encode my ID in the complaint. Don't you have your own pacer account? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243911) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 8:48 PM Author: Multi-colored Community Account Locale yes i don't know how to use it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243918) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 8:50 PM Author: Multi-colored Community Account Locale how the hell will your pacer ID be encoded, anyway? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243925) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 8:53 PM Author: Hideous personal credit line Also verified. Looks like silly posturing from a douchebag YLS prof. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243939) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 8:55 PM Author: Multi-colored Community Account Locale how do you find it in pacer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243942) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 8:56 PM Author: Heady cordovan resort david rosen is not listed on yls website? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243953) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:00 PM Author: 180 outnumbered degenerate menage he's listed here:
051235 A DAVID N. ROSEN (Admitted: 09/23/1969) DAVID ROSEN & ASSOCIATES,P.C. 400 ORANGE ST NEW HAVEN, CT 06511 |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:51 AM Author: Massive voyeur Subject: This post, 7 minutes after OP by another unknown poster, practically shouts flame
"THIS SEEMS LEGIT. This case isn't in pacer, yet. https://ecf.ctd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/login.pl
The case no., however, is too accurate to be flame. The highest case no. in PACER is 3:07-cv-00902, for a case filed on 6/8. That makes a new case with 909 a possibility. No flame would be so meticulous as to get the case number right.
The supposed judge on this case (last three letters of case no.) is http://www.ctd.uscourts.gov/droney.htm . The defendants might want to call his clerk to see if this case exists. Edit: or better yet call the courthouse so as not to overwhelm his clerk. He seems to be in the Hartford Courthouse http://www.ctd.uscourts.gov/htfd.htm ."
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:56 AM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap The first post just said it wasn't in PACER. I edited later to add the other stuff. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245655) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:04 PM Author: Indecent travel guidebook "drosenlaw@gmail.com"
LOL!
Solo working from bedroom? |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:06 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap No dude he's a yale law prof. with dozens of cases in Connecticut District Court. Google him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244686) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:17 PM Author: Spectacular offensive set toaster lonelyvirgin should be added as a defendant.
http://notice-to-yls-faculty-concerning-heide-iravani.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=592608&mc=85&forum_id=2 |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:27 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap The complaint might have his old moniker? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8246507) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 3:02 PM Author: mind-boggling indian lodge jap pretty sure paulie walnuts admitted to being lonelyvirgin. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8247152) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 3:33 PM Author: beady-eyed halford point He actually denied it vociferously (unless he copped to it at some later date when I'd already left the board). Doesn't mean it wasn't him though...it was very much in keeping with his style. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8247319) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2007 6:25 PM Author: Racy narrow-minded circlehead OH NO! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8595556) |
Date: June 11th, 2007 8:41 PM Author: stimulating site masturbator pwned. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243897) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:45 PM Author: Sticky rusted azn institution titcr - PWN3D!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244228) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 8:48 PM Author: lilac medicated jew hi guys! what's going on in this thread? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243919) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 8:48 PM Author: 180 outnumbered degenerate menage uh, btw, this is real. just verified. summons w/o complaint and using expedient service. wow. this is certainly interesting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243921) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 8:51 PM Author: Lascivious telephone So if the listed posters send a message to the free email account in the post, it will proceed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243930) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 8:52 PM Author: 180 outnumbered degenerate menage no, they have to serve an answer or move to dismiss. i dont remember if you can make a demand for a complaint under the federal rules. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243935) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 8:58 PM Author: Lascivious telephone Right, but if they gave no response, and were somehow found afterwards, could they challenge the service of process? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243962) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:00 PM Author: 180 outnumbered degenerate menage Not if it was authorized by the court. They could claim lack of notice, i.e., that they never saw the post. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243974) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:07 AM Author: Electric Abnormal Market How did you verify this??? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245348) |
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Date: June 19th, 2007 4:33 AM Author: cracking haunting therapy lodge Yep, real as the steps to SCOTUS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8273220) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 8:50 PM Author: laughsome gold kitty cat partner what's happening? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243924) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 8:50 PM Author: Cerebral pit Really good flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243926) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 8:50 PM Author: Garnet Razzle Private Investor Is this like an evite? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243929) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:25 PM Author: angry nighttime dopamine potus underrated (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244783) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:46 AM Author: Painfully Honest Unhinged Location Volcanic Crater 1fucking80! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245231) |
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Date: August 28th, 2007 1:35 PM Author: diverse flatulent fat ankles stock car http://digg.com/political_opinion/Maia_Szalavitz_How_ABC_Wall_Street_Journal_Forbes_Botched_Sue_Scheff_Story http://www.isaccorp.org/whitmore/jharris.pdf http://www.nowpublic.com/sue-scheff-pure-sued http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Sue_Scheff http://www.reason.com/news/show/122156.html http://suescheffvcareybock.blogspot.com http://www.nowpublic.com/what-sue-scheff-wants-reputation-defender-help-censor http://majikthise.typepad.com/majikthise_/2007/08/sue-scheff-chil.html http://www.sueschefftruth.com/?p=8 http://www.corank.com/tech/tag/Sue%20Scheff http://suescheffsuescheffsuescheff.blogspot.com http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=653572&forum_id=2 http://www.ziki.com/en/companies/sueschefftruth http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/267/RipOff0267011.htm http://www.hugg.com/taxonomy/term/1155 http://www.rollyo.com/suescheffretort/sue_scheff_truth http://family.netscape.com/story/2007/08/17/what-sue-scheff-wants-to-censor http://www.xomba.com/who_is_sue_scheff http://www.xomba.com/tags/sue_scheff http://www.isaccorp.org/pressreleases/suescheffemptyvictory.html http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_joomlaboard&Itemid=&func=view&catid=13&id=2186 http://www.topix.com/forum/phoenix/TII4L182S443J7HFR http://es.corank.com/tech/tag/Sue%20Scheff http://es.corank.com/tech/story/sue-Scheff-Una-Muchacha-Muy-Lulza http://www.topix.net/forum/city/new-orleans-la/T0KS82CNBMB0HBD6H http://www.stumbleupon.com/tag/sue-scheff http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=671777&forum_id=2 http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=655179&mc=8&forum_id=2 http://greenversussuescheff.blogspot.com/2007/08/sue-scheff-pure-accused-of-fraud.html http://www.corank.com/tech/story/carey-Bock-v-Sue-Scheff http://www.flyinghedgehogs.com/2006/10/i-think-sue-scheff-is-crook-con-artist.html http://del.icio.us/psyborgue/%22sue+scheff%22 http://www.geodreams.net/sue+scheff+censor.html http://www.geodreams.net/sue+scheff+sued.html http://reddit.com/info/2j7bk/comments http://www.cyroxos.net/articles/Sue.php http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=19905 http://del.icio.us/psyborgue/scheff http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=279141&sid=9ddaf2a5a6d52ba3228320c764ec073c http://psyborgue.stumbleupon.com http://www.paulareeves.com/Press_Releases/Scheff_Pure_win_empty_victory.htm http://www.netscape.com/member/psyborgue http://www.netscape.com/member/sueschefftruth http://209.157.64.200/~sueschefftruth/ http://forums.youthrights.org/showthread.php?p=271826 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maia-szalavitz/how-abc-the-wall-str_b_61765.html
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Date: June 11th, 2007 8:53 PM Author: vermilion aphrodisiac heaven background story Did he really just ask posters "Help me serve you so that I can sue you in court?" What a ttt attorney (to go along w/ his ttt personality & sense of humor). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243936) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 8:54 PM Author: 180 outnumbered degenerate menage they've already been served. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243941) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 8:55 PM Author: Heady cordovan resort like, just now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243943) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 8:57 PM Author: 180 outnumbered degenerate menage this counts as expedient service. if the posters choose to ignore it they'll be in default. if plaintiffs ever find who the posters are they can come after them, and the only thing the posters will be able to do is claim lack of personal jurisdiction. it may work. or not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243954) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 8:58 PM Author: fuchsia sneaky criminal How can this possibly count as service of process? link? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243965) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:02 PM Author: territorial swollen pisswyrm address I call BS as well. Someone can't just go to a website where someone once posted and serve them notice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243993) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:03 PM Author: Heady cordovan resort yet placing an add in a newspaper can count? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243998) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:04 PM Author: vermilion aphrodisiac heaven background story He should be using reasonable diligence to figure out their names & serve them properly...not like a flaming xoxo poster. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244006) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:05 PM Author: Heady cordovan resort in 10 years, this will be the textbook example of internet serving!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244017) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:06 PM Author: vermilion aphrodisiac heaven background story No, Not RLY. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244023) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:05 PM Author: 180 outnumbered degenerate menage It's expedient service in NY. In CT it's called service by electronic means. http://www.jud.ct.gov/Publications/PracticeBook/PB1.pdf#page=169
Sec. 10-13 |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:10 PM Author: fuchsia sneaky criminal That says that is must be made to an e-address AND must be consented to. E-address means email address, not a bulletin board (I would think), and there is no way there was consent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244039) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:10 PM Author: territorial swollen pisswyrm address "...provided that electronic delivery was consented to in writing by the person served..." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244040) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 8:55 PM Author: vermilion aphrodisiac heaven background story "...plaintiffs are attempting to serve you..." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243944) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 8:58 PM Author: vermilion aphrodisiac heaven background story Surprisingly, his resume is really impressive. http://www.lawyers.com/Connecticut/New-Haven/David-N.-Rosen-3D70A2DB104373-a.html?site=274 Too bad he files frivilous lawsuits like this & gives lawyers a bad name. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243957) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:00 PM Author: Heady cordovan resort why frivolous? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243975) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:01 PM Author: vermilion aphrodisiac heaven background story ummmm How about for starters that he's suing over xoxo monikers??????? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243990) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:04 PM Author: Heady cordovan resort oh, i thought hes going to be suing over HI and all that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244004) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:05 PM Author: fuchsia sneaky criminal I think a Yale alum representing a wronged yale student is more likely than a problem with monikers. I would think the copyright junk has to do with using pics. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244018) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:07 PM Author: Heady cordovan resort yeah. i was hoping someone would try and figure out which thread everyone listed posted in...or maybe its just everyone who ever posted HI links? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244024) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:59 PM Author: Electric Abnormal Market Mine is on there, I never posted HI links. I barely even talked during that whole fiasco. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244320) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:10 PM Author: Hideous personal credit line Yes, this is exactly what I thought (re: copyright). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244038) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:06 PM Author: vermilion aphrodisiac heaven background story What's HI? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244020) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:08 PM Author: Heady cordovan resort . i would post some pics, but, um... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244030) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:09 PM Author: vermilion aphrodisiac heaven background story Oh. Understood. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244033) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:08 PM Author: Bateful Effete Twinkling Uncleanness Patrolman Hello nIgger (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244032) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:20 AM Author: comical honey-headed corner heide iravani (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245431) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 8:53 PM Author: Heady cordovan resort wheeeee!!!!!
edit: what a dumb fuck. doesnt he realize that email tags are NOT part of the moniker???? jesus fucking christ
edit: where is his attorney ID #? |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:00 PM Author: Awkward Avocado Space Hominid :D just shit a brick (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243977) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:01 PM Author: Multi-colored Community Account Locale yeah, will take UT administrators about 5 seconds to figure out who he is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243983) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:01 PM Author: Brindle place of business school 12(b)(2) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243981) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:02 PM Author: Heady cordovan resort internets, dooder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243996) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:03 PM Author: Brindle place of business school im a rising 2L, so maybe I'm wrong, but how does the Connecticuit have jurisdiction here? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244002) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:05 PM Author: Bateful Effete Twinkling Uncleanness Patrolman internets, dooder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244012) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:07 PM Author: 180 outnumbered degenerate menage it was filed in district court and they can use CT's long-arm statute. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244026) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:21 PM Author: Brindle place of business school minimum contacts is not met though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244097) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:29 PM Author: Hideous personal credit line Some of the posters in that list likely have domicile or presence in CT, and a weak but plausible argument could be made for minimum contacts.
Bottom 25% by any chance? |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:33 PM Author: 180 outnumbered degenerate menage due process is in the eyes of the beholder. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244172) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:28 PM Author: Flesh police squad Calder v. Jones. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244478) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:04 AM Author: Thriller Twinkling Plaza Gaping Think maybe the sales/business conduct aspect of the defendant in that case had a little something to do with the outcome? Yeah. Try again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245688) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 10:25 AM Author: cerise balding famous landscape painting coffee pot Did you all fail civ pro? D. Conn. really went out there and had a case that held that a website was sufficient for minimum contacts. Not directly on point, but it is in every civ pro book.
Inset Systems, Inc. v. Instruction Set, Inc., 937 F. Supp. 161 (D. Conn. 1996) Sustaining exercise of jurisdiction over defendant where defendant's only contacts with Connecticut were an Internet web site and an 800 telephone number, both of which advertised defendant's services. The web site and 800 number were accessible to anyone with Internet access or a telephone including Connecticut residents.
Not sure if it is still good law, but it is in D. Conn. right?
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:07 PM Author: nudist orchestra pit striped hyena the defendants knew HI was in Connecticut when they posted their defamatory remarks. personaljurisdictionpwn3d.
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:10 PM Author: Heady cordovan resort http://www.ssbb.com/yesjuris.html
for some examples. You are torting someone in CT, they are feeling the brunt of it there, something like that |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:11 PM Author: 180 outnumbered degenerate menage long arm statute is what you're thinking of. tortious act committed outside of the state that has effect within the state. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244042) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:11 PM Author: Heady cordovan resort yeppers! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244045) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:05 AM Author: Thriller Twinkling Plaza Gaping That still requires a connection between the defendant and the forum state. The fact that it was read by someone in CT is not enough. This is basic 1L shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245692) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:21 PM Author: nudist orchestra pit striped hyena "The fact that it was read by someone in CT is not enough. This is basic 1L shit."
If that was the only "fact" you'd be right. It's not, and you're not.
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:15 PM Author: Hideous personal credit line Yeah, but just because the long-arm allows suit doesn't necessarily mean it falls within the constitutional limits on persoal jx. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244066) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:16 PM Author: 180 outnumbered degenerate menage of course not. you still have to show that it complies with due process. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244071) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:23 PM Author: Hideous personal credit line Yeah, and it seems like the case for minimum contacts is shaky. Although the Yale students could be pwn3d. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244107) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:29 PM Author: Flesh police squad xoxohth: where knowledge of civpro comes to die. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244481) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:01 PM Author: Bateful Effete Twinkling Uncleanness Patrolman don't forget AK247 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243987) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:04 PM Author: Brindle place of business school what if they changed their monikers and then dismissed for mootness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244008) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:05 PM Author: Multi-colored Community Account Locale sorta like how if someone sues you, you can just legally change your name and have the case thrown out of court? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244014) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:07 PM Author: Brindle place of business school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244025) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:10 PM Author: Bateful Effete Twinkling Uncleanness Patrolman good edit, but the damage has already been done. you are no longer a respected member of the xoxo community. hth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244041) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:11 PM Author: Brindle place of business school shocker, coming from you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244046) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:11 PM Author: Heady cordovan resort zing! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244043) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:09 PM Author: Adventurous internal respiration skinny woman Cherminsky said anonymous speech was protected today. Of course he also threw in some shit about state action in there, but fuck that, I'll cite whatever I want to cite. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244036) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:12 AM Author: Chocolate motley hall doctorate Did you catch the part where he said that the first amendment applies only to the government, not to private parties? Or about how defamatory speech is not protected?
Two issues blown in a single sentence. Good luck on the NY bar. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 8:52 AM Author: Adventurous internal respiration skinny woman 1. I said it requires state action so no shit that means it only applies to the gov
2. why are assuming there was defamatory speech?
3. and just in case you were actually serious or thought I was you are a MOTHERFUCKIN RETARD. I was being sarcastic you tard or did you miss the part about "I'll cite whatever I wan to cite." |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:13 PM Author: Heady cordovan resort Who else thinks this is the most dangerous type of lawyer possible for our xoxo heroes? assume he will have some internet whizzes in his corner.. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244051) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:18 PM Author: Adventurous internal respiration skinny woman he has no grounds for defamation. All you have to do is point to the Hustler case to explain why. Nothing said here about people is meant to be taken seriously, its parody BS and everybody knows it. I dont know about the copyright BS or any of that, but I would imagine since all the pics were taken down almost as soon as there was a complaint there isnt much of a case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244079) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:19 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap But that's advice from Valen, and well . . . (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244086) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:19 PM Author: Adventurous internal respiration skinny woman and youre a walking piece of turd so well.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244088) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:24 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap you're (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244113) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:27 PM Author: Adventurous internal respiration skinny woman yeah fucknut I left out a ' whats your problem? I knew I was doing it. Guess what, it's the internet douchebag and I do NOT care. Is that 12 inch dildo up your ass making you cranky? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244133) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:19 PM Author: Heady cordovan resort Nope. some of the HI stuff is meant to be taken quite seriously: re her sense of entitlement, her lsat, her father, her whining, her inability to perform at a high level.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244089) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:20 PM Author: Bespoke Crimson Messiness Property Not to mention, there's probably a lot of poors here with no money worth going after. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244091) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:21 PM Author: Heady cordovan resort lol at you thinking this is about money (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244096) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:02 PM Author: angry nighttime dopamine potus he just outed himself as a poor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244671) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:05 PM Author: Bespoke Crimson Messiness Property Outed? I readily admit it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244685) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:21 PM Author: Hideous personal credit line It doesn't matter if he has much of a case or not. The goal here is to damage the defendants and the discovery process will be sufficient for that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244095) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:23 PM Author: fuchsia sneaky criminal Credited. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244108) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:33 PM Author: Violet odious hunting ground ticket booth I don't see how he even gets to discovery if his claims aren't cognizable, unless the court is very pro-plaintiff (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244504) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:36 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE. I'm sure Rosen has printouts of every post. I don't think he needs any discovery. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244516) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:37 PM Author: blue stirring puppy YOU would know, wouldn't you, ROSEN?!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244523) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:39 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap I'm not Rosen, but I don't think there's much need for discovery. THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244536) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:14 PM Author: Indecent travel guidebook "THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE. I'm sure Rosen has printouts of every post."
You think he electronically edited things in an HTML editor or Adobe Acrobat first to give himself a better case? |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:15 PM Author: Brindle place of business school e-mail your contact info to DROSEN@GMAIL!!! that sounds legit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244065) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:29 PM Author: cobalt juggernaut school cafeteria lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244152) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:17 PM Author: fuchsia sneaky criminal Why wasn't rach listed as a Def? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244077) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:19 PM Author: Adventurous internal respiration skinny woman insurance agents dont have deep pockets. Why sue a known poor? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244084) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:20 PM Author: fuchsia sneaky criminal You're right. He could always seize GTO's boat. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244092) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:19 PM Author: 180 outnumbered degenerate menage well, if this is flame, it's REALLY fucking good flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244085) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:20 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap I seriously doubt it's flame. See my explanation above. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244090) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:20 PM Author: 180 outnumbered degenerate menage yeah... but until i see it on pacer i won't believe it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244093) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:21 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap Why doesn't someone call the judge's clerk? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244098) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:22 PM Author: 180 outnumbered degenerate menage you mean the court clerk? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244102) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:22 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap I think federal judge's have their own case clerks. You can call the court clerk too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244105) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:29 PM Author: 180 outnumbered degenerate menage yeah i know they have their own clerks. it just would be kinda dumb to call chambers directly to inquire about a specific case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244148) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:31 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap Either way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244166) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:20 PM Author: Sepia Nibblets Hospital No it isn't. Try something new in a week or two. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244094) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:21 PM Author: cobalt juggernaut school cafeteria Those girls in the WAPO article?!
I'm guessing, can this actually work?
If it can, why didn't someone like Allison Stokke sue already? |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:22 PM Author: Heady cordovan resort i think if it can work, this fucking grey-haired civil rights crusader will make it work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244106) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:26 PM Author: cobalt juggernaut school cafeteria Is there any precedent for this?
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:28 PM Author: free-loading gas station elastic band This could set the precedent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244141) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:31 PM Author: cobalt juggernaut school cafeteria Law board posters achieve dream of making it to SCOTUS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244163) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:20 AM Author: Razzmatazz cumskin You think some SCOTUS clerks browse the board? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245754) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:20 AM Author: Soul-stirring sweet tailpipe mother uh, yeah... duh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245762) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:28 AM Author: Razzmatazz cumskin I bet they also think Bruce Bowen is a fucking dirty nigger. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245788) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:23 PM Author: razzle-dazzle insane chapel wagecucks @gmail???
lulz. |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:25 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap Dude he listed a case no., which seems legit, and the federal judge supposedly hearing the case. Just call the judge's office and find out of it's real. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244119) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:49 PM Author: Sadistic Internet-worthy Cruise Ship That's because he runs a personal firm without a Web page. He's a Yale prof running this kind of stuff on the side. That's why he has a Gmail account. If you Googled his firm, you'd see that David Rosen & Associates don't even have a Web page. Therefore, it's entirely reasonable for him to have a Gmail account distinct from his Yale account. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244256) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:11 PM Author: Indecent travel guidebook Doesn't that violate the Gmail Terms of Use?
http://www.google.com/mail/help/terms_of_use.html
"Personal Use. The Service is made available to you for your personal use only." |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:24 PM Author: Copper Big Sex Offender nice. get his email shut down |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:41 PM Author: Indecent travel guidebook They better get to work on that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244867) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 3:14 PM Author: greedy crackhouse roast beef Probably. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8247236) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:24 PM Author: Electric Abnormal Market If my other moniker is listed in there, even if I haven't done anything anywhere close to wrong or illegal (even by IRL standards), should I just stop posting here? I honestly don't know how they could get a hold of me...I'm thinking I'll just go on the lam. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244115) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:27 PM Author: Brindle place of business school 2 subpoenas away (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244132) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:16 PM Author: Indecent travel guidebook Subject: Your soundtrack... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx7GqfQCZeg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244728) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:24 PM Author: claret business firm antidepressant drug so, service by clicking on xoxo thread -- might this be the new tubgirl? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244116) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:16 PM Author: Indecent travel guidebook Sweet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244733) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:25 PM Author: free-loading gas station elastic band lol, the law board is finally going to get its comeuppance. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244120) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:26 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap What other reasonable way is there to serve posters? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244124) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:26 PM Author: Electric Abnormal Market It's not reasonable to serve posters in the first place. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244128) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:27 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap How else can you sue them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244130) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:28 PM Author: fuchsia sneaky criminal He could sue Rach, GTO, and John/Jane Doe. Then have subpoenas issued to discover the identity of posters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244143) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:29 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap A complaint which lists the posters is better, however. Plead with particularity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244147) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:31 PM Author: fuchsia sneaky criminal Right. He can just sue John Doe, AKA ...
That's what he has done. He can then use the law suit to discover other's identities. Until he serves each individual poster, though, I doubt this counts as proper service. |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:32 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap I think this is reasonably the best he could do, for now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244169) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:34 PM Author: fuchsia sneaky criminal Right. But that meanst he service is defective as to the other posters.
Right? |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:38 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap If this is all he does. DISCLAIMER - NONE OF WHAT I POSTED IS LEGAL ADVICE. I'M NOT EVEN LICENSED YET. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244195) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:57 PM Author: fuchsia sneaky criminal DISCLAIMER - NONE OF WHAT I POSTED IS LEGAL ADVICE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244306) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:38 PM Author: Dead arrogant quadroon Right. I would guess they'd subpoena rach for the IP addresses and then subpoena the internet service providers for the actual names. I'm not really sure how it works. But I guess you could say that their identities are "roughly two subpoenas away from discovery." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244198) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:27 PM Author: Navy gay wizard parlor I guess we will get to see if he actually dumps IPs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244799) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:28 PM Author: cobalt juggernaut school cafeteria And yours for Iraq? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244142) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:29 PM Author: free-loading gas station elastic band Nevah! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244145) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:27 PM Author: Heady cordovan resort I keep waiting for hte op's moniker to switch to pwn3d (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244134) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:27 PM Author: free-loading gas station elastic band How fitting that Paulie Walnuts is listed first. And I'll bet :D is right now crying in a corner. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244135) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:28 PM Author: cobalt juggernaut school cafeteria I bet everyone except Ciolli is putting their hard drives in microwaves frying them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244137) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:28 PM Author: Ultramarine Alcoholic Ceo Psychic k (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244139) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:30 PM Author: sable office new version hi! want to chat? drop me a line at drosenlaw@gmail.com. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244156) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:32 PM Author: Ultramarine Alcoholic Ceo Psychic rofl lolz. can i represent myself in this case? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244168) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:36 PM Author: Heady cordovan resort are you at least a tad worried? bee honest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244184) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:01 PM Author: Ultramarine Alcoholic Ceo Psychic eh a little bit. but ive done nothing wrong,. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244332) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:29 PM Author: Electric Abnormal Market We are what we don't see Missed everything daydreaming
[Chorus] Flames to dust Lovers to friends Why do all good things come to an end Flames to dust Lovers to friends Why do all good things come to an end come to an end come to an Why do all good things come to end? come to an end come to an Why do all good things come to an end?
Traveling I only stop at exits Wondering if I'll stay Young and restless Living this way I stress less I want to pull away when the dream dies The pain sets in and I don't cry I only feel gravity and I wonder why
Flames to dust Lovers to friends Why do all good things come to an end Flames to dust Lovers to friends Why do all good things come to an end come to an end come to an Why do all good things come to end? come to an end come to an Why do all good things come to an end?
Well the dogs were whistling a new tune Barking at the new moon Hoping it would come soon so that they could Dogs were whistling a new tune Barking at the new moon Hoping it would come soon so that they could Die die die die die
Flames to dust Lovers to friends Why do all good things come to an end Flames to dust Lovers to friends Why do all good things come to an end come to an end come to an Why do all good things come to end? come to an end come to an Why do all good things come to an end?
Well the dogs were barking at a new moon Whistling a new tune Hoping it would come soon And the sun was wondering if it should stay away for a day til the feeling went away And the sky was falling on the clouds were dropping and the rain forgot how to bring salvation the dogs were barking at the new moon Whistling a new tune Hoping it would come soon so that they could die.
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:30 PM Author: blue stirring puppy Don't worry, I'll represent y'all!
Welcome to Legal Aid. |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:40 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap Nice of you. They might seriously need it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244205) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:42 PM Author: Glittery sooty field they should represent themselves pro se. They'd be better off than having Madcat represent them.
HMFY this is legal advice. |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:43 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap lol you and Madcat, always at each other (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244217) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:30 PM Author: Curious Amber Principal's Office flame potential : 178
flame as executed: 138 |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:31 PM Author: cobalt juggernaut school cafeteria if it's a flame: 180
if not: dark day for xoxo |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:43 PM Author: Glittery sooty field if it's flame: 180
if not flame: 181 |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:25 PM Author: Bateful Effete Twinkling Uncleanness Patrolman this is the appropriate response. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244465) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:32 PM Author: Bespoke Crimson Messiness Property Why are the Plaintiffs listed as Does? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244170) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:33 PM Author: cobalt juggernaut school cafeteria they don't need anymore internet publicity? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244174) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:35 PM Author: Bespoke Crimson Messiness Property Don't hate dog. I'm not in law school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244180) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:34 PM Author: Electric Abnormal Market In the words of Homer Simpson: "Doheith!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244177) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:46 PM Author: Glittery sooty field surely there is no pool. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244237) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:55 AM Author: Painfully Honest Unhinged Location Volcanic Crater tis a fine barn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245287) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:35 PM Author: Garnet Razzle Private Investor Because they're female? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244183) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:38 PM Author: claret business firm antidepressant drug ti, oc, tcr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244200) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:37 PM Author: cobalt juggernaut school cafeteria The fall of Rome, it began with a dream from the PR board, and ended in flames when some dumbass from YLS decided to post one day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244188) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:37 PM Author: Ultramarine Alcoholic Ceo Psychic "publicity that places another in a false light before the public"
so if i say some random woman is attractive but she's not i can get sued for that? |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:38 PM Author: cobalt juggernaut school cafeteria apparently, no hizzla jokes anymores. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244201) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:48 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap by posting in the thread, did hejust admit to seeing the summons? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244253) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:51 PM Author: cobalt juggernaut school cafeteria yes. dumbass. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244279) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:27 PM Author: Copper Big Sex Offender community account (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244793) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:38 PM Author: Electric Abnormal Market I knew it was bad in high school when I stumbled upon Princeton Review. Noooooooo, I couldn't just look at the fucking rankings...I had to go to the god damn message board...Look what you little bastards have gotten me into!
What are the possible outcomes for this? |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:42 PM Author: brilliant cuckold Best post ever.
Seriously, and I've seen posts for years. |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:42 PM Author: Bateful Effete Twinkling Uncleanness Patrolman shut your faggot mouth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244210) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:45 PM Author: blue stirring puppy Does this even qualify as "service"? Do the mentioned monikers have any affirmative obligation to release their contact information? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244226) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:46 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap The laws for service require "reasonable under the circumstances." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244234) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:49 PM Author: blue stirring puppy It isn't the least bit reasonable to expect posters to send their personal information to that email address. That could be some crazy serial killer rapist person. You don't know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244255) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:50 PM Author: cobalt juggernaut school cafeteria But they've got Ciolli, he's screwed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244271) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:52 PM Author: blue stirring puppy Troof. He'll flip on any one of us for a scooby snack. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244285) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:58 PM Author: Glittery sooty field Fuck that! AC is a stand-up guy! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244315) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:51 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap I'm guessing this is just a first step in a long process, and the judge will likely order proper service later, once it's possible? THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244275) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:54 PM Author: blue stirring puppy If it's possible. GTO claims he doesn't keep IP logs. Without IP addresses, how can the lawyer subpoena an ISP to get an identity established? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244289) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:57 PM Author: Bespoke Crimson Messiness Property He has to have IP logs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244308) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:22 AM Author: Elite misanthropic legend No, he doesn't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245442) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:51 PM Author: fuchsia sneaky criminal Agreed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244276) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:52 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap Be careful giving legal advice. Some of the defendants might rely on it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244283) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:55 PM Author: fuchsia sneaky criminal Nothing has been legal advice. Just wild speculation. Any poster that relies on posts here is making a HUGE MISTAKE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244291) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:58 PM Author: blue stirring puppy I don't have to worry about anyone relying on MY statements. I'm a moron. We all know this. And we luv me for it! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244319) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:00 PM Author: fuchsia sneaky criminal Same here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244327) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:57 PM Author: Electric Abnormal Market This is a good point. It's a summons posted on a message board?? He may as well have asked a/s/l? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244302) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:48 PM Author: Mewling Senate Corn Cake @gmail.com? A Harvard educated attorney would have obtained a domain name... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244248) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:52 PM Author: Sadistic Internet-worthy Cruise Ship That's because he runs a personal firm without a Web page. He's a Yale prof running this kind of stuff on the side. That's why he has a Gmail account. If you Googled his firm, you'd see that David Rosen & Associates don't even have a Web page. Therefore, it's entirely reasonable for him to have a Gmail account distinct from his Yale account. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244281) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:55 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap gmail is actually an excellent email service. why wouldn't a solo use it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244292) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:17 PM Author: Indecent travel guidebook Because it's for personal use only? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244740) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:27 AM Author: Vivacious Boiling Water How is this not personal? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245120) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:48 AM Author: greedy crackhouse roast beef Commercial isn't personal.
You seem to think "personal" is a word with no meaning. If that's incorrect, tell us what you think "personal" means. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 9:07 AM Author: Vivacious Boiling Water I don't think "personal" use = non-commercial use. I think "personal" use = use by yourself and not by some other party.
The reason for this provision is so that the provider can hold whoever agrees to the terms of service to those terms, without an "it wasn't me; it was my brother" excuse. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 3:55 AM Author: Indecent travel guidebook Business use. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245966) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:49 PM Author: Brindle place of business school i believe United States ex rel. Gerald Mayo v. Satan and His Staff, 54 F.R.D. 282 (1971) can be of some help here! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244259) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:49 PM Author: Concupiscible Candlestick Maker Foreskin Somehow it is fitting that :D is getting pwned. I just wish AK47 was in that group. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244265) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:50 PM Author: Trip Lay why is everyone ITT hating on :d? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244272) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:51 PM Author: Sadistic Internet-worthy Cruise Ship He might be, if he had one of those monikers, which wouldn't surprise me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244278) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:02 PM Author: brilliant cuckold lol, yeah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244339) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:01 PM Author: swashbuckling double fault I'm really glad MoreDoughHi is in there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244334) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:35 PM Author: Thirsty idiotic ladyboy I take umbrage with that. MDH is one of my favorite posters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8247048) |
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Date: April 11th, 2008 2:52 PM Author: Puce talented pocket flask your wish has been granted (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#9612179) |
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Date: June 28th, 2008 8:48 PM Author: Clear Fear-inspiring Dilemma hm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#9928368) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:52 PM Author: hairraiser piazza mediation shit. there but for the grace of god, and all that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244282) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:55 PM Author: Adventurous internal respiration skinny woman Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey is a great name for a defendant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244294) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:56 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap What gave you the wisdom not to post about the Yale girls? Honestly I really knew PW had crossed a line, and I stayed away. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244297) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:57 PM Author: Adventurous internal respiration skinny woman same here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244305) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:01 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap *wisdom high five* Actually GTO was smart enough to stay away too. He was really uncomfortable with PW's contest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244333) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:57 PM Author: Glittery sooty field surrender, surrender?!?!?! He (or she) has not yet begun to fight. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244307) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:58 PM Author: Electric Abnormal Market My favorite was "Remember when I said I would kill you last? I lied" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244310) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:03 PM Author: brilliant cuckold lol, imagine hearing some stuffy judge read that out in a courtroom. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244345) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:35 PM Author: indigo sick shrine boistinker *Bows deeply*
*Raises middle finger to D. Rosen*
*roflz* |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:57 PM Author: claret business firm antidepressant drug Just e-mailed Brian Leiter's work addy and phone number to this d00d. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244304) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:58 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap To David Rosen's email? Dude this is serious. David might sue that guy, who in turn would sue you for submitting his name. (edit: you edited.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244314) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:59 PM Author: claret business firm antidepressant drug oh noes! my future all over the carpet! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244322) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:00 PM Author: blue stirring puppy I'm beginning to think YOU'RE David Rosen! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244325) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:04 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap I'm not. I swear, but what I wrote is a possibility. i wouldn't play around with this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244348) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:03 PM Author: carnelian lettuce giraffe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244346) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:59 PM Author: fuchsia sneaky criminal ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244321) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 9:58 PM Author: carnelian lettuce giraffe Luckily I have no money or reputation. I'm giddy over meeting my cheerful big titted accuser in court. TYTY! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244312) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:02 PM Author: blue stirring puppy Here's hoping they put a lien on your inheritance.
That is, on whatever's left after you are ESTATETAXPWN3D by the new Clinton Administration! |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:02 PM Author: Bespoke Crimson Messiness Property What are the going hourly rates for a recent Quinnipiac law grad? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244340) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:03 PM Author: buck-toothed rehab What's the worst that can happen in a situation like this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244343) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:04 PM Author: Electric Abnormal Market This is what I'm wondering... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244352) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:04 PM Author: Bespoke Crimson Messiness Property Bankruptcy pwned? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244353) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:05 PM Author: buck-toothed rehab Seriously, if I had $350k in assets what could happen? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244359) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:07 PM Author: carnelian lettuce giraffe Legal fees: $100K Judgment: $100k
You still have $150K. |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:04 PM Author: carnelian lettuce giraffe Can't be as bad as going to Club Fed for 10 years like our princess made her father do to buy her ponies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244354) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 7:38 PM Author: crusty at-the-ready university knife 180. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8248183) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:06 PM Author: brilliant cuckold Don't dwell on the negative. Think of the positive: with Paulie Walnuts finally outed, we no longer have to worry about him coming here and spreading his filth! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244364) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:07 PM Author: Glittery sooty field MadCatrepresentingyoupwn3d? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244370) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:05 PM Author: Splenetic Excitant House 174 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244357) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:06 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap Ironic that aznazn isn't a defendant? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244365) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:06 PM Author: Electric Abnormal Market RyanGA (or whatever his name was) fucking killed a girl, and we get this??? Seems unfair! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244366) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:10 PM Author: Heady cordovan resort 'cuse me? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244384) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:12 PM Author: laughsome gold kitty cat partner Ryan from GA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244391) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:21 PM Author: Sadistic Internet-worthy Cruise Ship Visit AboutUs.org for more information about DAVIDROSENLAW.COM
Registrant: Rosen, David 400 ORANGE ST NEW HAVEN, CT 06511-6405 US
Domain Name: DAVIDROSENLAW.COM
Administrative Contact: Rosen, David david.rosen@yale.edu 400 ORANGE ST NEW HAVEN, CT 06511-6405 US 203-787-3513
Technical Contact: Network Solutions, LLC. customerservice@networksolutions.com 13861 Sunrise Valley Drive Herndon, VA 20171 US 1-888-642-9675 fax: 571-434-4620
Record expires on 06-Sep-2012. Record created on 06-Sep-2001. Database last updated on 11-Jun-2007 22:20:26 EDT.
Domain servers in listed order:
NS75.WORLDNIC.COM 205.178.190.38 NS76.WORLDNIC.COM 205.178.189.38 |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:36 PM Author: blue stirring puppy It would seem the logical response would be to email the guy from an anonymous email address and find out whether this is in fact too legit to quit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244515) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:38 PM Author: Heady cordovan resort lol at anonymous email address (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244535) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:42 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap I think a quick call to the court tomorrow morning should do it. He gave a case no. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244559) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:21 PM Author: Supple native alpha The fact that there is a debate over whether this is real or not indicates it is not proper service. You can't post and official document into a message board known for made up schticks, and expect it to be considered seriously. It would end parody. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244446) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:23 PM Author: carnelian lettuce giraffe Alanis Morrisette irony? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244451) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:23 PM Author: Splenetic Excitant House Subject: i like this 173 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244454) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:25 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap Be careful giving legal advice which others might rely on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244467) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:34 PM Author: blue stirring puppy To the defendant listed below, you are being sued in the United States District Court for the District of Uranus. The defendant is the person using the following pseudonym on the website autoadmit.com or xoxohth.com: . . . . . .
The allegations are as follows: annoying the FUCK outta me.
I'll see you in court, BE-AYCH! |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:36 PM Author: 180 outnumbered degenerate menage Dude, if a judge authorizes it you're good as gold. I've seen cases where service is done by fax and publication for two weeks in a newspaper. This isn't that bad, especially considering that he may not be able to get their IP addresses b/c rach doesn't keep them that long. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244517) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:38 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE. And Rosen probably already has all the evidence (printouts of the posts.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244529) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:39 PM Author: 180 outnumbered degenerate menage Yeah, all he has to do now is connect the dots. And if those posters keep posting under the same moniker he could find them by subpoenaing user logs and all the names associated with each moniker. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244540) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:42 PM Author: Electric Abnormal Market "names associated with each moniker"
Is there really hard evidence for this? |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:44 PM Author: Heady cordovan resort i'll bet they want to hang gto out to dry, and the rest is a fishing expedition? i would imagine the true purpose of this is to (a) shut down xoxo, and (b) scare the next xoxo into retreating back into the womb. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244571) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:45 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE. Why would you need to do a fishing expedition when all of the alleged evidence is publicly available? I'm guessing he printed out the alleged posts for each defendant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244576) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:46 PM Author: Heady cordovan resort what i mean is they are "fishing" to see if they can get names for the real posters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244582) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:33 PM Author: Copper Big Sex Offender nice annoying shtick you have going there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244832) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:38 PM Author: exhilarant lake forum anyone who thinks this is proper service is going to have a tough time on the bar exam... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244532) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:40 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap Are you offering the defendants legal advice? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244548) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:41 PM Author: exhilarant lake forum not until they pay me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244553) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:42 PM Author: Brindle place of business school Sounds like you are offering legal advice by advising people not to give out legal advise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244562) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:43 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap I'M NOT. NOTHING I WRITE IS LEGAL ADVICE. (That couldn't really be construed as legal advice any way.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244566) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:45 PM Author: exhilarant lake forum and you, sir, are giving legal advice by advising people not to advise people not to give legal advice.
disclaimer: this is not meant to be legal advice. |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:46 PM Author: Brindle place of business school i never advised him to do or not do anything (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244583) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:41 PM Author: Heady cordovan resort yeah, i failed the service part of the bar like twice (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244552) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:44 PM Author: 180 outnumbered degenerate menage lol. for NY, look up CPLR 308(5):
"Personal service upon a natural person shall be made by any of the following methods: . . .
(5) in such manner as the court, upon motion *without* notice, directs, if service is impracticable [using standard methods] . . . ."
All you have to do then is satisfy due process. Defendants directed their tortious activity to CT b/c they knew HI was there. Then look at burden on plaintiff and defendant. The end. HTH. |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:09 PM Author: exhilarant lake forum even if it were a proper method of service, the form is incorrect. there is no statement of the relief sought.
legal issues aside, the post clearly states "we are *trying to serve you*..." and also conviently asks defendants to please forward their addresses so they can be served a complaint. if this were actually valid service no litigator would ask for an address to serve the complaint to. he would wait until the defendant responded by serving a demand for a complaint or a notice of appearance. after all, he wants the defendant to default. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:19 PM Author: 180 outnumbered degenerate menage that's not the complaint, it's only a summons. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8246976) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:01 PM Author: Supple native alpha Well there is an argument here. This is Mullane notice issue MULLANE v. CENTRAL HANOVER TR. CO., 339 U.S. 306 (1950). Give it a read. There is some dicta that could be friendly to the plaintiff.
Edit: Not saying that this is good service or notice; it isn't. But there at least a colorable (barely) argument that it is. |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:46 PM Author: Electric Abnormal Market THIS IS FLAME!
I anonymously (and from a publicly used computer) e-mailed his Yale e-mail. Here is my response:
"I will be out of the office until June 19. I will have intermittent access to email. If you wish to reach our office by email, you may write sadkins@davidrosenlaw.com"
There are e-mail accounts set up at davidrosenlaw.com.
I feel this is fairly conclusive! |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:47 PM Author: Heady cordovan resort or maybe he has an office with people who work for him, he prepped the case and then went on vacation before digging in and nailing your ass? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244590) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:49 PM Author: Electric Abnormal Market I'm sure he would not have set up a legitimate e-mail account (as in @davidrosenlaw.com instead of @gmail.com) before going on vacation. That would have been silly following a totally legitimate summons posted on a message board known for this kind of elaborate prank. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244598) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:48 PM Author: Maroon exciting mad cow disease The sad thing is that a real lawsuit is only 2 subpoenas away. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244591) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:48 PM Author: buck-toothed rehab If true, this is the best flame ever created.
180, 45, 800, 2400 |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:52 PM Author: Bespoke Crimson Messiness Property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244615) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:53 PM Author: Maroon exciting mad cow disease Maybe he'll get the Yale CGWBT to defend him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244617) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:52 PM Author: Electric Abnormal Market G-mail addy is xoxoposter, password is autoadmit
look for yourself.
Also, the auto-reply is from drosen@davidrosenlaw.com
I think we might be in the clear? |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:54 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap What does g-mail addy is xoxoposter mean? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244626) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:55 PM Author: Electric Abnormal Market username, sorry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244630) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:57 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap the login for the drosenlaw@gmail.com email account? how do you know? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244642) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:58 PM Author: Maroon exciting mad cow disease No, idiot. learn to read. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244651) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:00 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap I have no idea what you're talking about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244665) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:00 PM Author: Electric Abnormal Market Ok, listen. I sent his Yale account (which I guess re-directs to his davidrosenlaw.com account right now) an email from a completely anonymous g-mail account. this account is xoxoposter@gmail. com
Go to gmail, type in xoxoposter in the username, and autoadmit in the password, and you will see his auto-response which completely proves that this is the most elaborate and amazing flame in the history of xoxohth |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:02 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap Oh, all that was to prove you got the autoresponse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244673) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:21 PM Author: Electric Abnormal Market It was originally to just e-mail him and hopefully get a response (I wasn't originally going to share the e-mail). I got an autoresponse from an email address that ended with @davidrosenlaw.com
Why would he have us e-mail a free gmail account over something like this when his law firm has a domain of its own that is much more legit? |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:07 PM Author: Apoplectic Home it doesnt work LIAR! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244689) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:14 PM Author: Electric Abnormal Market You're fucking right. I just got back to my home computer and can't access it for some reason. I swear this is right, and if anyone else e-mails his Yale e-mail, this is what they will get. I really have no reason to lie.
Edit: NM, I'm sure someone logged on and changed the password. |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:07 PM Author: 180 outnumbered degenerate menage Or maybe he doesn't want assholes on the board to bombard his work email with wgwag. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244691) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:19 PM Author: Electric Abnormal Market Why would setting up a different e-mail account stop us from doing that to his other e-mail accounts? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244747) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 10:34 AM Author: cerise balding famous landscape painting coffee pot Based on the history of this board, would you list any email you actually used on it?
gmail is still plausible.
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:21 PM Author: Frisky black woman could be that he wants people to write to his gmail since he's on vacation ? |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:25 PM Author: Electric Abnormal Market Why would he do this right before or while on vacation? Seems a bit silly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244784) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:26 PM Author: Frisky black woman maybe he can't easily access his main business email while on vacation, but wants to get some work done while he's gone (over gmail). i dunno dude. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244791) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 3:50 AM Author: Indecent travel guidebook Oh, no! The password doesn't work outside the U.S.! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245957) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:49 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap It seems we can find out tomorrow at 9AM? He gave a court, a judge and a case no. THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244599) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:47 PM Author: Dull titillating center really tough guy shocker that this guy is a dirty Jew. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244589) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:48 PM Author: Maroon exciting mad cow disease Jews are all about free speech. Dershowitz would be on the side of the posters and he's a SuperJew. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244595) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 10:56 PM Author: Dull titillating center really tough guy i hate jews (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244636) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:09 PM Author: fragrant smoky indirect expression keepsake machete I thought service is OK if judge allows it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244696) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:15 PM Author: cheese-eating nursing home round eye And a judge approved this why?
Oh and BTW, accepting pro-bono clients for the living fuck of it. anon6356@yahoo.com if you are actually worried about this. |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:21 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap Are you licensed in CT and admitted to that court? Even if you're not you might be able to get Pro-Hac Vice.
THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE. |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:25 PM Author: cheese-eating nursing home round eye I AM NOT YOUR ATTORNEY. THIS POST HAS NOT CREATED AN ATTORNEY CLIENT RELATIONSHIP. PLEASE EMAIL WITH OTHER INQUIRES. |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:28 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap Good move. THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244803) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:24 PM Author: Godawful sandwich i would think that a judge might approve it as a method to serve considering the situation. if a poster avoids service and is later located it might be very bad for them. just my thought. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244776) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:28 PM Author: cheese-eating nursing home round eye on teh interwebs, give me a break. Legal newspaper maybe... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244804) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:30 PM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap But which is more reasonably likely to reach these people? THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVCIE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244810) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:32 PM Author: cheese-eating nursing home round eye a judge would not authorize this. I AM NOT EXPRESSING A LEGAL OPINION. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244823) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:11 PM Author: Violet odious hunting ground ticket booth What's the theory behind the copyright infringement claim? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244703) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:13 PM Author: jade soggy pistol depressive lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244716) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:16 PM Author: Electric Abnormal Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244732) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:17 PM Author: Arousing stag film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244736) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:17 PM Author: Boyish Locus Filthpig edit: you faggot. i almost didn't catch the space... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244734) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:18 PM Author: Electric Abnormal Market There is a space in the name, and there isn't one in the OP. This user isn't the OP, but this definitely is flame (see my posts above about the e-mail addresses) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244741) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:24 PM Author: Frisky black woman you might be reaching. it's possible he listed his gmail account for whatever reason. i wouldn't be shocked if this were flame, but right now i kinda think it's real. |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:27 PM Author: Electric Abnormal Market You seriously think after posting a summons on an internet message board notorious for pranks, he wouldn't at least use a legitimate e-mail address? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244794) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:28 PM Author: Frisky black woman i hope you're right dude. this is real scary stuff. we'll see tomorrow. GL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244802) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:31 PM Author: Electric Abnormal Market Is one of your monikers on there? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244817) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:33 PM Author: Frisky black woman no. but the whole thing is still frightening. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244829) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:32 PM Author: jade soggy pistol depressive http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/e/e9/InternetSeriousBusiness.jpg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244822) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:31 PM Author: sable office new version i actually would be shocked at the mind-blowing quality if this were flame. it would take amazing attention to detail to feign ignorance of board format and include the email tag line in the moniker, and as someone else pointed out on atl it's a sequential case number. right now, i think i feel like the good germans when the nuremberg trials started. |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:32 PM Author: Frisky black woman yes, i agree. thought of the email tag thing as well. :D is listed twice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244826) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:33 PM Author: Electric Abnormal Market I don't think this would be all that hard (it would take time, but you could do it in an afternoon). Just go through the HI threads and copy and paste monikers of anyone who said anything slightly offensive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244833) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:36 PM Author: Frisky black woman if you're a troll/regular, would you even think to include the taglines? would you be smart enough to make it seem legitimate (i.e., make yourself seem ignorant of board convention) by including :D twice, once with tagline and once without, as if he were two different posters? maybe. there has been some good flame in the past. but that, combined with the quality of the thing in general, makes me think it's real. |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:36 PM Author: Maroon exciting mad cow disease Hundreds of derogatory comments were made. Why would he only have selected some? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244846) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:38 PM Author: Frisky black woman gotta start somewhere. maybe those were the monikers in the original few threads or something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244852) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:41 PM Author: Maroon exciting mad cow disease Whatever. Rach's a stand-up guy. Hopefully he'll agree just to shut this place down. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244864) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:38 PM Author: sable office new version but any xo poster creating the flame would know that :D is one poster; whoever compiled this list thought that the email tag :D had at one point was the moniker of a different additional poster. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244850) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:41 PM Author: Frisky black woman i mean, it's possible it could be flame. it would just require a moment of brilliance when constructing the OP. for right now i think it's real. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244868) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:43 PM Author: Maroon exciting mad cow disease Fuck that shit. It can't be real. Is it really illegal to comment on pics of some whore? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244877) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:47 PM Author: Frisky black woman first, why don't we avoid calling her a whore from now on? these are the claims: "copyright infringement under 17 U.S.C. § 501; appropriation of another’s name or likeness; unreasonable publicity given to another’s life; publicity that places another in a false light before the public; intentional infliction of emotional distress; negligent infliction of emotional distress; and defamation." i don't know enough about the law or the facts to know whether any of them are valid. can anyone take a stab, for instance, at the "unreasonable publicity given to another's life"? |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:52 PM Author: Maroon exciting mad cow disease So now the internet is the 'public'?
Those are all loaded concepts that are being thrown around. Such cases are notoriously hard to prove.
I have a hard time believing this is real.
Xoxo is a microcosm of the internet. Anonymously authored bile with great information.
If Xoxo goes down, the internet goes down.
Edit: I don't care if you-know-who doesn't like being called a whore. It's my fucking right. |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:50 PM Author: sable office new version not only that but this post http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8243905 makes it seem like they got the case number right as well, and assigned it to a ct district court judge.
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:53 PM Author: Frisky black woman true. although that's also just a matter of attention to detail (assuming it's easy to look up recent docket numbers from any given day, or whatever you need to do) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244929) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:01 AM Author: sable office new version i guess we'll find out tomorrow. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244975) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:32 PM Author: Electric Abnormal Market *runs to South America* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244827) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:16 PM Author: Bespoke Crimson Messiness Property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244731) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:30 PM Author: aromatic white sound barrier bbw Nice, and it only took ~290 posts.
Seems some of our regs are pretty nervous about all of this |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:56 PM Author: Indecent travel guidebook What are you rambling about? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244946) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:05 AM Author: aromatic white sound barrier bbw a rickroll, since edited out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244992) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:21 PM Author: Indecent travel guidebook Who will be the first to tubgirl Rosen via e-mail? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244757) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:31 PM Author: Supple native alpha It's xoxo. I would be disappointed if he has not been rickrolled and tubgirled by now. There is just no way it hasn't already been done. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244820) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:35 PM Author: cowardly stage legal warrant Now this takes it to the next level. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244839) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:40 PM Author: Galvanic crawly theatre trump supporter Wow. Amazing that an impromptu beauty contest caused all this shit to roll down hill. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244863) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:49 PM Author: Ruddy chad It's going to be kindof amusing when someone has to explain to the judge that the there are about 3 people behind all those usernames. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244909) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:52 PM Author: Dull titillating center really tough guy 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244924) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:51 PM Author: Charismatic Toilet Seat If this is real, do you suppose whoever had to type that got through the list of monikers without laughing? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244918) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:52 PM Author: vibrant pale weed whacker stead one of the more amusing flames i've seen in a while. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244919) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:55 PM Author: Ruddy chad if so, it must be pensive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244938) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:17 AM Author: angry nighttime dopamine potus credited (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245061) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:54 PM Author: Ruddy chad Sorry to double post. But if you guys are seriously worried about this, maybe you should contact Charlie Nesson. He seemed pretty supportive of GTO - maybe he would find the case cool.
Dershowitz is another possibility, but he's more of an appellate litigator IIRC. |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:55 PM Author: indigo sick shrine boistinker What is the "complaint" referred to here? Whoever concocted this is a terrible lawyer. hth! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244935) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:55 PM Author: Judgmental whorehouse stain i would like to see the trial. "your honor, the prosecution calls 'a white girl sucking on an asian penis forever' to the stand." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244939) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:55 PM Author: Navy gay wizard parlor I have trouble believing this is flame. Wouldn't the OP be opening himself up to some issues with David Rosen?
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:02 AM Author: Frisky black woman good point as well (not legal advice, of course) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:07 AM Author: aromatic white sound barrier bbw lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245006) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:08 AM Author: aromatic white sound barrier bbw the answer to every question is WGWAG
priceless, i would laugh if I were there |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:01 AM Author: chestnut milk deer antler Spurs by 2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245316) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:03 AM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap explain pls. i don't get it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245324) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:07 AM Author: chestnut milk deer antler no. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245350) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:09 AM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap I'm fortunately not a defendant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245365) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:11 AM Author: chestnut milk deer antler (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245373) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:14 AM Author: Navy gay wizard parlor To the original point. Would Rosen have any sort of claim if this was not real? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245393) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:14 AM Author: chestnut milk deer antler care for a snapple? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245397) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:15 AM Author: Navy gay wizard parlor No (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245403) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:19 AM Author: chestnut milk deer antler (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245424) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:20 AM Author: Navy gay wizard parlor How so? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245433) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:59 PM Author: indigo sick shrine boistinker Dear Sir/Madam:
I will only accept service conducted in conformance with the Hague Convention. Please contact the US embassy in Warsaw for further details, and ask them to perfect service on me at the address below:
Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey Rondo Onz 1, 00-124 Warszawa, Poland
tyia. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:03 AM Author: flickering pungent state pwned (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244986) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:59 PM Author: Indecent travel guidebook MOM! MOM! THIS ISN'T RIGHT! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244965) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:02 AM Author: indigo sick shrine boistinker 180 for timely reference. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8244984) |
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Date: June 11th, 2007 11:59 PM Author: cobalt juggernaut school cafeteria If this is no flame, all the defendants should go to the ACLU, that's your best bet, and it's free too.
I mean they defended the KKK, why wouldn't they defend internet free speech?
If you're in New York go to this website: http://www.nyclu.org/ |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:49 PM Author: nudist orchestra pit striped hyena The EFF would be a better resource I would think.
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:12 AM Author: provocative spot windowlicker Executive summary, please. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245037) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:13 AM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap Just read the first two posts in this thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245045) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:21 AM Author: frum half-breed gaming laptop Well, at least we'll be able to see which monikers were actually pensive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245077) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:30 AM Author: Learning disabled ratface meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245139) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:52 AM Author: cobalt juggernaut school cafeteria The megaposter theory will proven or disproven. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245271) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 4:23 AM Author: Hideous personal credit line Disproven isn't even a recognized word in the English language, fuckhead. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8246001) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:24 AM Author: Electric Abnormal Market This is very Cho-esque (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245100) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:31 AM Author: Learning disabled ratface meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245150) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:33 AM Author: Electric Abnormal Market NM, found it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245157) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:38 AM Author: Maroon exciting mad cow disease link to thread please (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245190) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:39 AM Author: Electric Abnormal Market http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,89360.0.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245195) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:16 AM Author: Chocolate motley hall doctorate HAHA Rev PWNT you all! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245406) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:18 AM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap nm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245419) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:47 AM Author: Frisky black woman eh... nothing conclusive there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245242) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:40 AM Author: useless lavender church building blood rage flame. duh you faggots (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245202) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:42 AM Author: Electric Abnormal Market I'll be sitting easier tomorrow after 20 people call the courthouse confirming this is or isn't flame...until then I'm going to continue shitting bricks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245213) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 12:45 AM Author: Maroon exciting mad cow disease It isn't real dude. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245225) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:14 AM Author: Chocolate motley hall doctorate This is some of the saddest civ pro discussion I've seen yet.
There is no question that the longarm statute will give personal J over the parties. DUH. No brainer.
The issue here is VENUE dammit! VENUE! |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:17 AM Author: Frisky black woman how are minimum contacts met? (please be gentle) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:22 AM Author: Chocolate motley hall doctorate Tort committed outside the state with purposefully directed toward, and effects felt within, the state of CT? Seriously. No brainer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245444) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:25 AM Author: indigo sick shrine boistinker Ur retarded. hth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245466) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:29 AM Author: Chocolate motley hall doctorate Get back to me after you take civ pro. Unless you've already taken it at a TTT, in which case, nevermind - you'll never get it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245489) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:32 AM Author: indigo sick shrine boistinker Hypo: CESM resident of WY looks up a phone number in FL. Calls said number. Calls person a major league asshole, various other horrifying insults.
Your analysis: Recipient of phone call has cause of action against CESM, PJ satisfied? |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:35 AM Author: Chocolate motley hall doctorate It isn't a tort to call someone an asshole, so no. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245523) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:37 AM Author: indigo sick shrine boistinker Well, that would all be decided via 12b6 or the state analogue. The issue is whether PJ exists. Your answer is "yes."
ergo, u = retarded. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:43 AM Author: Chocolate motley hall doctorate If it's not a tort there's no PJ. So the answer is NO.
You do realize that there has to be a TORT involved, right? |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:45 AM Author: indigo sick shrine boistinker Call it IIED. Imagine something truly horrible was said that induced a stroke.
Still, there's no PJ, nice guy. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:52 AM Author: Chocolate motley hall doctorate No, if there was a tort, in that case there would be PJ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245630) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:54 AM Author: Frisky black woman are you saying that ANY intentional tort --> PJ where its effects are felt? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245639) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:56 AM Author: Chocolate motley hall doctorate If it is specifically aimed at that J? Then yeah, I'm saying that. (Assuming that the states LAJ reaches to the furthest extent allowed under the constitution.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245656) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:00 AM Author: indigo sick shrine boistinker Please tender your resignation from the bar tomorrow. This is THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT OF INT'L SHOE! Don't people study caselaw anymore? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245674) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:06 AM Author: Chocolate motley hall doctorate You don't understand international shoe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245698) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:03 AM Author: indigo sick shrine boistinker Or find a case, any case, that says intentional tort = PJ.
It just doesn't exist friend. Sorry. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:09 AM Author: Chocolate motley hall doctorate You'll just have to wait until you take the class then. I'm not going to spoon feed you 3 years of law school in a chat forum. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245705) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:12 AM Author: indigo sick shrine boistinker You could have just said, "yeah, no case exists, but I really really THINK this is true!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245720) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:21 AM Author: Thriller Twinkling Plaza Gaping Wow, you really do think you're right, huh? I thought you were just flaming him to be annoying. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245765) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:08 AM Author: Frisky black woman i don't think that's supported by caselaw. the calder "aiming" requirement might only be satisfied by situations with calder-like facts.
sorry for the long post, but here's language from Wilson v. Belin, 20 F.3d 644 (5th cir. 1994) suggesting just that:
"Wilson first argues that the district court had specific personal jurisdiction over Blakey and Belin because each of them spoke with a Texas newspaper reporter and thus reasonably could foresee that their defamatory comments would be published in Texas and injure Wilson's reputation in Texas. Wilson argues that Calder v. Jones, 465 U.S. 783, 789, 104 S.Ct. 1482, 1487, 79 L.Ed.2d 804 (1984) clearly stands for the proposition that whenever the effects of libel by a nonresident are felt in the forum state, specific jurisdiction exists. We believe Wilson reads Calder too broadly.FN4
FN4. We also note that First Amendment considerations regarding the defendants' abilities to inject their respective opinions into the marketplace of ideas on a topic of obvious public concern are not relevant to our wholly jurisdictional inquiry. Calder, 465 U.S. at 790-91, 104 S.Ct. at 1487-88.
In Calder, 465 U.S. at 788-90, 104 S.Ct. at 1486-87, a reporter for a Florida publication researched a story in California, wrote a story about a California resident whose career was centered in California, and provided that story to his (the defendant reporter's) employer, which had a substantial portion of its national circulation in California. The Court stated that the defendants' (the reporter's and his editor's) “actions were expressly aimed at California” because they wrote and edited “an article that they knew would have a potentially devastating impact upon [the plaintiff in California].” Id. at 789, 104 S.Ct. at 1487. In the instant case, however, neither Blakey nor Belin did any preparation for a story to defame the plaintiff. They did not even write or devise a story. They did no research regarding Wilson's theory in Texas or elsewhere. Furthermore, there is no indication that these defendants were paid for their comments, that their comments were part of a planned business venture, or that such unsolicited comments served any role in advancing their business careers. Finally, the plaintiff, Wilson, is not a Texas resident and his career is not centered there. Thus, the dispositive facts in Calder simply are absent from this case. Wilson also places great weight on the premise that a libelous tort is deemed to have occurred where the offending material is circulated. See Keeton v. Hustler Magazine, Inc., 465 U.S. 770, 777, 104 S.Ct. 1473, 1479, 79 L.Ed.2d 790 (1984) (citing Restatement (Second) of Torts § 577A, Comment a (1977)). This principle alone, however, will not win the day for Wilson. That the tort is deemed to have occurred in whole or in part in Texas is simply not dispositive of whether jurisdiction is appropriate. See World-Wide Volkswagen Corp. v. Woodson, 444 U.S. 286, 288-89, 100 S.Ct. 559, 562-63, 62 L.Ed.2d 490 (1980) (holding that although tort occurred in Oklahoma, New York defendant was not subject to personal jurisdiction in Oklahoma by nonresident plaintiff). ____________________ it's just one case but it goes HARD the other way. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:20 AM Author: Thriller Twinkling Plaza Gaping Jesus man, do you really believe what you are saying? Do you really not know that the defendant must still have connection with the forum outside of the tort in question? How can you be this dumb? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245760) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 5:05 AM Author: histrionic french electric furnace wrong (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8246029) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:26 AM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap You're referring to Calder v. Jones & Panavision v Toeppen I assume. THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245470) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:31 AM Author: Frisky black woman Calder? in that case, at least, the court's finding of "purposeful direction" was much better supported than it would be here. e.g., 600,000 newspapers circulated in the forum. is there caselaw trying to apply Calder to internet sites? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245505) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:35 AM Author: Chocolate motley hall doctorate It's an intentional tort aimed directly at CT. What more do you want? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245518) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:36 AM Author: indigo sick shrine boistinker Is "you to use your brain" an acceptable answer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245527) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:46 AM Author: Chocolate motley hall doctorate Now please go away little man.
Calder v. Jones
The allegedly libelous story concerned the California activities of a California resident. It impugned the professionalism of an entertainer whose television career was centered in California.[Footnote 9] The article was drawn from California sources,
Page 465 U.S. 783, 789
and the brunt of the harm, in terms both of respondent's emotional distress and the injury to her professional reputation, was suffered in California. In sum, California is the focal point both of the story and of the harm suffered. Jurisdiction over petitioners is therefore proper in California based on the "effects" of their Florida conduct in California. World-Wide Volkswagen Corp. v. Woodson, 444 U.S. 286, 297-298 (1980); Restatement (Second) of Conflict of Laws 37 (1971). |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:36 AM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap Is she really a CT resident for that test? I forget how residency is defined for that test. THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245528) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:41 AM Author: Chocolate motley hall doctorate Well the letter was sent to the Yale LS faculty and she goes there, I would say the greatest impact was suffered in CT, do you disagree? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245560) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:42 AM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap Edit: I think you're right, residence doesn't matter. It's where the harm occured. THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245574) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:56 AM Author: Frisky black woman NLA that seems right "Court held in Keeton v. Hustler Magazine, Inc., 465 U.S. 770 (1984), that jurisdiction would also be found even where the party injured by the libelous assertion was not a resident of the state where the lawsuit was brought." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calder_v._Jones#Other_developments NLA |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:57 AM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap Can't argue with that. Wikipedia has pretty decent information. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245661) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:41 AM Author: Chocolate motley hall doctorate Well the letter was sent to the Yale LS faculty and she goes there, I would say the greatest impact was suffered in CT, do you disagree?
Actually, that wouldn't even matter since it was sent to CT on purpose. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:42 AM Author: Frisky black woman if it were that simple, Calder wouldn't have been a major case. and it wouldn't have developed other factors in its analysis other than those you're suggesting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245567) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:21 AM Author: indigo sick shrine boistinker Heard of Int'l Shoe, dude? A state can't just say, "we have PJ over every citizen of earth," and leave Ds to argue venue.
Ding!^10 |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:26 AM Author: Chocolate motley hall doctorate When you PURPOSEFULLY direct your activity toward another state and the effects are felt there, guess what? Minimim contacts are satisfied. O rly? Rly. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:28 AM Author: indigo sick shrine boistinker link? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245486) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:30 AM Author: Chocolate motley hall doctorate LOL Any civ pro book, hornbook, outline, set of flash cards, hell anything just type in google fer fucks sake.
This is civ pro for high school kids. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:34 AM Author: indigo sick shrine boistinker No. Your looking at "purposefully targeted" in terms of business etc. Not the posting of message boards hosted in PA via the interwebs.
hth. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:39 AM Author: Chocolate motley hall doctorate Defamation can be accomplished by posting on a message board. The place of the tort is (usually going to be found to be the ) place where the most damage occured which is almost always going to be the victim's state of domicile (for defamation.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245550) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:42 AM Author: Maroon exciting mad cow disease How can she prove that defamation occurred? I would like to know this. Her picture is on the internet. It's not like Xoxo followed her to the store, snapping pictures secretly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245575) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:51 AM Author: Frisky black woman NOT LEGAL ADVICE that her pic is on the internet will relate to different legal claims (invasion of privacy, including "appropriation of another’s name or likeness; unreasonable publicity given to another’s life; publicity that places another in a false light before the public" as in the OP) we're just talking about straight up defamation. all that requires is: (1) defamatory language (not including opinion, unless it is based on specific facts), (2) of or conerning the plaintiff, (3) publication of language by defendant to 3rd person, and (4) damage to plaintiff's reputation. note that under (4), general damages are presumed in a libel action, so she doesn't have to make out specific damages. if i had to guess, all of these will probably bet met by at least some posts on here. there are defenses: (1) consent and (2) truth would be the only ones possibly relevant here. NOT LEGAL ADVICE this is NOT the same issue as whether connecticut has personal jurisdiction over the defendants.
there are also the issues surrounding intentional infliction of emotional distress. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:43 AM Author: indigo sick shrine boistinker I'm going to stop insulting you, b/c you seem nice. Sorry.
But your legal analysis is terrible. Do you find your law profs always telling you "you're not seeing the issue?"
Here the issues are two: 1) PJ 2) Service. Neither of these exists, but even if service could be effected, PJ wouldn't exist for 9/10 of the Ds.
hth. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:48 AM Author: Chocolate motley hall doctorate Calder v Jones
The allegedly libelous story concerned the California activities of a California resident. It impugned the professionalism of an entertainer whose television career was centered in California.[Footnote 9] The article was drawn from California sources,
Page 465 U.S. 783, 789
and the brunt of the harm, in terms both of respondent's emotional distress and the injury to her professional reputation, was suffered in California. In sum, California is the focal point both of the story and of the harm suffered. Jurisdiction over petitioners is therefore proper in California based on the "effects" of their Florida conduct in California. World-Wide Volkswagen Corp. v. Woodson, 444 U.S. 286, 297-298 (1980); Restatement (Second) of Conflict of Laws 37 (1971). |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:55 AM Author: indigo sick shrine boistinker "[P} brought suit in California Superior Court, claiming that she had been libeled in an article written and edited by petitioners in Florida and published in the National Enquirer, a national magazine having its largest circulation in California."
The issue is minimum contacts, dude. Sorry. The [D] Enquirer had them in CA in Calder by selling 1 million copies/week there; xoxo posters don't have them in CT.
Thread closed.
hth. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:01 AM Author: Chocolate motley hall doctorate Oooo so I guess you win since you said that you win.
Where does the opinion state the minimum number of copies needed to meet the threshhold? It doesn't. You are taking a detail from the facts and readining into the rule. BAD law student. NAUGHTY NAUGHTY! |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:10 AM Author: Frisky black woman that detail is apparently important for lower courts that apply Calder. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245706) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:11 AM Author: indigo sick shrine boistinker Read the post above quoting the 5th Cir.
ur wrong, friend. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:52 AM Author: Chocolate motley hall doctorate This COULD be valid service because if P can find no other feasible way to serve D, the court can approve some other method at its discretion. If publishing in a newspaper is ok, I don't see a due process violation in posting the notice where the D's are KNOWN to visit.
Of course, in practice the P would subpoena for their IP addresses and (if they could get them) would then subpoena their ISP's for their names and addresses, but it is conceivable that this could be valid service if the IP addresses could not be obtained. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:59 AM Author: indigo sick shrine boistinker Sorry; no. You're saying that the sufficiency of service depends on whether the judge _thinks_ it's sufficient?
There IS law out there, you know, we can't just make up whatever the fuck we want. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:08 AM Author: Chocolate motley hall doctorate No. The Supreme Court determines whether it is sufficient.
The judge can make up a way for the party to serve on the other if no practical means can be found, provided that the method of service ordered by the court isn't in violation of due process. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:22 AM Author: Marvelous flushed faggot firefighter My god you're a fucking moron. International Shoe isn't the controlling/seminal case when it comes to issues of defamation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245768) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:25 AM Author: Thriller Twinkling Plaza Gaping uh, wtf? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245774) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:40 AM Author: Marvelous flushed faggot firefighter That was in response to this guy asking if anyone had heard of International Shoe. If you're going to be an arrogant prick like, at least be right about what you're saying. This guy isn't. There are countless problems with this "lawsuit," but a failure to meet the minimum contact requirements as stated in International Shoe will not be the thing that defeats personal jurisdiction in any such lawsuit alleging defamation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245828) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:23 AM Author: Massive voyeur First the issue is improper service. We recently covered this in barbri, how is no one here to mention it? This is NOT proper service, this is not a form of service a judge can even rule acceptable and there is no jurisdiction without proper service.
What did our barbri prof say? If they send you improper service and ask you to accept, DO NOT DO IT, DO NOT HELP THE OPPOSING PARTIES' LAWYERS
oh, and this is flame. I am just testing my barbri skillz. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 8:30 AM Author: Dashing Son Of Senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8246085) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:16 AM Author: Painfully Honest Unhinged Location Volcanic Crater *EVERYBODY DANCE NOW* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245411) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:25 AM Author: floppy public bath sadly, an LSD poster accomplished what nearly 400 posts here couldn't:
its either a flame or the guy has a bad lawyer
1. the service process is invalid under frcp 4.
2. this is a state tort action filed in a federal court. since defendants addresses are unknown, if even one ends up being from connecticut, diversity is destroyed. in addition, the amount demanded must be on the complaint, and must be over $75000
3. out-of-state defendants get 30 days to file an answer, not 20, so the complaint is invalid on its face.
4. the proper way to pursue this suit would be to sue xoxo (or, if not incorporated, the owner) directly. serve discovery papers to obtain all of those user's ip addresses and physical addresses for service. use frcp joinder rule (17 i think) to add only those defendants who dont destroy diversity.
(and the "this is not legal advice" joke was played out some time ago.) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:26 AM Author: kink-friendly parlour Does this stuff sound legit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245469) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:27 AM Author: indigo sick shrine boistinker Good points, all.
But D. Rosen must have given his consent to do this. A class project? |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:29 AM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap That's dumb, because this is clearly just the first shot and I doubt it was meant to be the last step in proper service. THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245496) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:07 AM Author: irradiated temple prole pls stop. you're ruining good flame by constantly interjecting your horrid shtick. tyia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245700) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:34 AM Author: Ruddy chad I don't know about the rest of it, but can't he just join the state law claims to his federal claim and assert pendant jurisdiction? my civ pro is shakey, but I think you can bring some state claims in fed court as long as you have one federal question claim. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245515) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:38 AM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap The overconfidence of that LSD dude is kind of scary. THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245535) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:12 AM Author: Frisky black woman where's the fed Q? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245726) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 8:49 AM Author: filthy passionate ape Copyright claim. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8246095) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 9:13 AM Author: Vivacious Boiling Water But do the other causes of action arise out of the same nucleus of operative facts? Maybe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8246115) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 3:18 PM Author: Ruddy chad Operative facts are almost exactly the same, aren't they? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8247255) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 3:40 AM Author: floppy public bath "can't he just join the state law claims to his federal claim and asset pendant jurisdiction"
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Date: June 12th, 2007 8:42 AM Author: Sadistic Internet-worthy Cruise Ship On 1 and 3, I'm not so sure the details of this service, but isn't this just a demand for an address in order to summons them properly? Then, after he can't get information from some of them, he goes to the court, shows hardship, and gets permission to have public notice of the complaint and demand for an answer? On 2, you're flatly wrong. He's got a federal question in there, so the state claims are within federal jurisdiction even absent diversity through pendant claims. On 4, those cases have consistently failed under federal laws protecting domain hosts or Web hosts from liability for the actions of individuals committed on the site. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 8:45 AM Author: claret business firm antidepressant drug FEDERALQUESTIONSUPPLEMENTALJURISDICTIONPWN3D. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8246092) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 11:39 AM Author: Violet odious hunting ground ticket booth I didn't take the OP to = Complaint. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8246373) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:25 AM Author: Elite misanthropic legend He's trying to get people to expedite service. But service isn't executed until a copy of the complaint is served to the defendants. That hasn't happened here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245465) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:29 AM Author: kink-friendly parlour MY NEW STANCE: This is complete flame. Until I hear otherwise I will not respond to anything. I will not let it bother me. There is no fucking way this can happen over a message board. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245493) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:31 AM Author: Maroon exciting mad cow disease I'm with you. Even if this is real, we saw how Trustafarian got PWN3D through honesty.
And what he did is actually legally punishable. This is a joke. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:35 AM Author: Massive voyeur you shouldn't respond either way. It is improper service. odds are they will never get proper service, as they cannot get the identity of the posters and serve you properly, ie in person or by certified mail to your address or place of work.
And by responding to improper service, you can waive your right to claim improper service later, so for christ's sake, don't do anything. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:37 AM Author: Maroon exciting mad cow disease The only way ISP's are giving out select IP's is when they are being slapped with multi-million dollar lawsuits from the mighty, deep-pocketed RIAA. Even this process takes years and years.
David Rosen cannot compel these ISPs into forking over this client info. Can you imagine the precedent that would set? The internet would crumble before our eyes. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:38 AM Author: Massive voyeur TITCR therefore, NO ONE RESPOND (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245542) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:40 AM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap If you're going to give legal advice, why don't you give them your email so they can talk to you one on one? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245552) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:42 AM Author: Massive voyeur It's not legal advice, it's anonymous internet discussion. You are a dumbass and the same poster as the op. In fact, your existence is a strong factor in favor of the flame interpretation. Doubtful that a real attorney who did not post on xo would think of making up a second moniker to back up his post. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245573) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:44 AM Author: Maroon exciting mad cow disease I disagree. This guy is an idiot who just wants to bask in the glow of the OP's brilliat flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245584) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:46 AM Author: Massive voyeur No way. 7 minutes after the op, with all that research and another completrely new poster. That's definitive flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245592) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:49 AM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap I made that post before doing the research. I edited it later, to update for the research. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245606) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:50 AM Author: Massive voyeur ofCOURSE you did, "David" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245611) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:52 AM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap I'm not David Rosen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245624) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:55 AM Author: Maroon exciting mad cow disease Damn right you're not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245651) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:59 AM Author: Massive voyeur ergo "" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245668) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:01 AM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap oh, you're one of those students who say ergo in class (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245678) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:16 AM Author: Massive voyeur only on xo, dooder. It's cool, you're one of our own and you brought some drama to the board, well done. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245740) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:51 AM Author: milky contagious area dragon .. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245613) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:52 AM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap Apparently it doesn't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245628) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:53 AM Author: milky contagious area dragon Yeah I just discovered that. Someone claimed in an argument with me once that it did, and I never thought to check if he was right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245636) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:57 AM Author: Maroon exciting mad cow disease This discovery doesn't exactly help your case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245659) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:45 AM Author: kink-friendly parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245590) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:46 AM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap "It's not legal advice, it's anonymous internet discussion." Exactly. You're not even willing to stand by your advice. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:14 AM Author: Massive voyeur I don't need to, they can all just look it up in their barbri books. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245730) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:39 AM Author: indigo sick shrine boistinker You mean "internets," right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245544) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 8:51 AM Author: Wonderful high-end church What if they registered with a legit e-mail that would identify them (a university e-mail, etc). Could they get rach to fork that info over? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8246098) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:36 AM Author: Frisky black woman i'm beginning to think this is flame too. or at least a first attempt at service with very shaky legal foundation. if it's confirmed as real tomorrow, though, what will you do? if i were in your shoes i'd contact the alcu asap. maybe a prof at your school who works in the field (or nesson at hls?). definitely wouldn't email the guy with my name and address. that's personal advice not legal advice - obviously |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:10 AM Author: green federal brunch hilarity would ensue if the aclu-hating xoxo posters were bailed out by the aclu! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245709) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 8:32 AM Author: kink-friendly parlour I can see it now. ACLU attorney valiantley defending xoxoers rights to act like children. Sits down, hears "Hey, you're a fucking faggot. Go lick tubgirl you hippy son of a bitch" from his client... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8246087) |
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Date: September 7th, 2008 5:39 PM Author: free-loading gas station elastic band LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#10136168) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:40 AM Author: Maroon exciting mad cow disease This is Leiter's revenge. He's probably having a huge laugh right now with his fat wife while deconstructing these amateur legal arguments. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245553) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 1:47 AM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap Think he'll file an amicus? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245599) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:39 AM Author: Frisky black woman what if, in about 7 hours, this terms out to be real - then what? i will look back on tonight with nostalgia. see, usually i'm one to believe the worst from the very beginning. i never cling to false hope. here the worst outcome would be that this event, after all the disasters xoxo has survived, will actually be the one to kill the board and ruins the reputations and careers of many posters. objectively speaking, i think there's a good chance of that. but right now i'm still clinging to the hope that it's brilliant, masterful flame. these are strange feelings for me, a calmness and optimism i've had only brushes with in the past, and i will hold on to them for as long as i can. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 3:53 AM Author: Indecent travel guidebook "what if, in about 7 hours, this terms out to be real - then what?"
Hilarity ensues! |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 3:44 AM Author: floppy public bath Dispensing with the dumb, unfunny, and unnecessary "this is not legal advice" trope: Obvioulsy no one should ever respond to this kind of solicitation. That's legal advice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8245950) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 4:27 AM Author: laughsome gold kitty cat partner OH NO, DIARRHEA ALL OVER THE CARPET, WHY DID I INFRINGE COPYRIGHT UNDER 17 U.S.C. § 501 NAKED? THIS ALWAYS HAPPENS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8246005) |
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Date: September 10th, 2008 8:31 PM Author: vigorous goyim 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#10147205) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 7:37 AM Author: duck-like cuckoldry dog poop Though I am not giving legal advice, part of me thinks this is flame because they've selected negligent infliction of emotional distress as a cause of action, and because a horse walks into a bar is being listed as a defendant. At least as I understand NIED, the posters' actions couldn't fit this cause of action. Also, AHWIAB says he didn't say anything. If that's actually true, it makes it sound like said flamer just slipped up in picking him. Just my two cents. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8246069) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 7:41 AM Author: Henna Death Wish Range lawyers throw easily dismissed claims in all the time.
i googled and i think i found what ahwiab said. the lawyer probably knows that claim is going to fail, but this is what you do as a lawyer. however, if that's really what the claim against ahwiab is based on (a comment about a sundae), then it's borderline Rule 11 sanctionable.
edit: actually, if many of these claims are based on the thread I'm looking at, then I'd say Rule 11 sanctions are likely. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 8:05 AM Author: mind-boggling indian lodge jap AHWIAB was apparently smitten by her persianness. hence, he gets pwned. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8246075) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 8:19 AM Author: kink-friendly parlour Has anyone called?? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8246080) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 9:03 AM Author: Painfully Honest Unhinged Location Volcanic Crater Case is not in the computer according to the clerk at Hartford.
I call bullshit. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 9:18 AM Author: fuchsia sneaky criminal Then it's the greatest flame in the history of XO. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8246122) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 10:27 AM Author: Hyperactive Mildly Autistic Casino titcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8246202) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 9:22 AM Author: Magenta garrison mad-dog skullcap she could just be checking pacer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8246125) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 9:19 AM Author: Fishy blathering den rofl. what did get to da choppa ever do? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8246123) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 9:35 AM Author: brethren lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8246140) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 10:30 AM Author: idiot national What a LULZ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8246205) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:54 PM Author: Thirsty idiotic ladyboy Anyone remember those WGWAG XOXO polo shirts someone got made? They're gonna be law school collectors items. "Check out my Ciolli signed XO polo!"
Selling said shirts would be a decent way to start a defense fund. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 2:57 PM Author: submissive tanning salon becky I wonder what Ms. Doe's real LSAT score was. I'm guessing it was kinda shitty - which is why she's so uptight about it - but at least in the 160s. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8247129) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 5:28 PM Author: mustard theater party of the first part How has noone yet posted that the Wall Street Journal is confirming this thing?
From their law blog:
"The complaint asks for judgment against the defendants for unspecified damages as well as punitive damages in the amount of $245,400. Besides Ciolli, named defendants include individuals with pseudonyms such as “Pauliewalnuts” and “The Ayatollah of Rock-n-Rollah.”
“It’s bringing the right to protect yourself against offensive words and images into the 21st century,” said David N. Rosen, a New Haven, Conn.-based attorney for the students and a senior research scholar in law at Yale Law to the Law Blog in an interview. “This is the scummiest kind of sexually offensive tripe,” he said of the postings about the women on AutoAdmit. Rosen is joined by Mark A. Lemley, of counsel at San Francisco litigation boutique Keker & Van Nest and a professor at Stanford Law School who teaches computer and internet law. They are taking the case pro bono. Here [link to this thread], they have posted a notification on the lawsuit on AutoAdmit."
Bad suit, probably. Flame, almost certainly not. |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 6:42 PM Author: Painfully Honest Unhinged Location Volcanic Crater Yeah, I called a different court and found out it's been filed. Oops! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8247987) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 9:35 PM Author: Judgmental whorehouse stain elaborate flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8248576) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 6:07 PM Author: Misunderstood violent trailer park philosopher-king Subject: I notice "Pauliewalnuts" is furiously deleting his own posts now http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=643703&mc=16&forum_id=1 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8247875) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 6:19 PM Author: nudist orchestra pit striped hyena rofl
way too late. they got hard copies of every thread they wanted to preserve way before this suit became public.
if they were smart they probably wrote letters to ciolli and any other relevant person expressly instructing them not to destroy evidence. i would expect some sort of a motion to that effect if they cant reach a private agreement.
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Date: June 12th, 2007 6:51 PM Author: Startling newt bawdyhouse How did they pick which people to sue? It seems like they could have easily doubled the number of defendants. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8248008) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 7:07 PM Author: hairraiser piazza mediation they picked ahwiab because he said he'd like to have sex with doe #2, and they picked moredoughhi because he claimed that doe #1 didn't get a job due to her purported 159 lsat. bullshit if you ask me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8248051) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 7:09 PM Author: brass rigor Don't forget Community Norm who was parodying someone else's comment, and never said anything of his own. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8248055) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 7:10 PM Author: spruce library people who are hurt judging from the complaint, it seems like they picked posters who made particularly sexualized remarks about Doe 2. not sure about Doe 1. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8248060) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 8:04 PM Author: aquamarine rambunctious step-uncle's house hissy fit What are you talking about? Don't you realize that these suits are on the very fringe of the law to begin with? The plaintiffs are suing defendants for intentional infliction of emotional distress for posting on a message board that they'd like to have sex with the plaintiffs. If this were a MBE question, I would immediately look for an answer that said non-actionable or First-Amendment-protected. I am willing to bet that in the entire history of intentional infliction of emotional distress, there has never been a case where plaintiffs have won alleging anything close to this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8248280) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 8:07 PM Author: spruce library people who are hurt the claim isn't limited to IIED. defamation seems colorable and so do some of the privacy torts (at first glance, anyway) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8248294) |
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Date: June 12th, 2007 8:07 PM Author: Crystalline station OMG this is like the CRAZIEST thing i've ever seen i wlii bend time and space to make this CRAZY thing just GO you know man just GO GO GO! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8248290) |
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Date: June 13th, 2007 10:00 AM Author: walnut hell hairy legs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8250014) |
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Date: June 14th, 2007 6:21 PM Author: cowardly stage legal warrant Bump, in case any defendant misses this notice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8255610) |
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Date: June 19th, 2007 7:51 AM Author: Box Office Genital Piercing lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8273257) |
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Date: June 19th, 2007 9:55 PM Author: obsidian theater stage wrinkle FLAME (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8275714) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2007 2:53 PM Author: mentally impaired useless brakes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8467920) |
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Date: August 4th, 2007 7:24 PM Author: codepig crotch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8473216) |
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Date: August 4th, 2007 7:25 PM Author: codepig crotch "The plaintiffs are attempting to serve you with a complaint and summons in a civil action. The text of the summons appears below. So that we may deliver a copy of the summons and complaint to you, please provide your complete contact information to the following email address: drosenlaw@gmail.com. "
= ROFL. |
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Date: August 28th, 2007 1:37 PM Author: Pozpig srsly. the OP is the best post on this site in years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8570629) |
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Date: August 28th, 2007 12:24 AM Author: diverse flatulent fat ankles stock car (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8569057) |
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Date: August 28th, 2007 11:01 AM Author: diverse flatulent fat ankles stock car Is this substituted service? Is this substituted service?
No, faggots. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2007 6:30 PM Author: Sienna kitchen lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8595568) |
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Date: November 4th, 2007 1:36 PM Author: diverse flatulent fat ankles stock car (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#8851554) |
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Date: September 7th, 2008 5:26 PM Author: free-loading gas station elastic band (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#10136139) |
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Date: September 7th, 2008 5:30 PM Author: Clear Fear-inspiring Dilemma Wasn't "Dirty Nigger" one of the defendants? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=643868&forum_id=2#10136148) |