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PSA to Biglaw clients: If you have a small, uncomplicated deal
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:05 AM Author: Vibrant clear puppy you should hire a midlaw firm. if you don't, you're going to pay high rates for a know-nothing midlevel, or worse, a junior to run it. you could probably get a midlaw partner to do it for the same price, or less.
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:03 AM Author: Multi-colored domesticated associate double fault Many biglaw firms (even legit ones) will impose fee caps in order to get the business ITE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15968993) |
Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:06 AM Author: primrose lay yarmulke what do you consider small (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15944530) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:08 AM Author: Vibrant clear puppy idk, anything <100MM for sure. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15944545) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:34 AM Author: soul-stirring state but uncomplicated too? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15945317) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:06 PM Author: Brass crackhouse Um, we had a fund that did nothing but these (20-100MM) deals, despite a fairly large capitalization. It was far more effective to use us than a mid-law firm. We were full service, regardless of the deal. Tax, environmental, labor, etc. Our mid-levels were smarter and more motivated than mid-law partners and more than willing to be on shitty calls on NYC or LA or UK time.
I would hire the PE chick who sat next to me at BIGLAW 1,400 times before I would hire some 13 lawyer shit-law shop. |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:07 PM Author: glittery misanthropic market Psa your firm is midlaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15947250) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:09 PM Author: Brass crackhouse Do you know where I work? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15947265) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:10 PM Author: glittery misanthropic market Within a narrow range of firms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15947277) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:15 PM Author: Brass crackhouse It would be hard to define where I work as midlaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15947308) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:19 PM Author: glittery misanthropic market Rates are 30% below the true biglaw M&A firms. Ppp is well under half (more like a third and that is after increasing almost 50% from 2006 to now).
Frankly, you firm is a lot cheaper than true biglaw.
This applies to all of the firms you could possibly work for. |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:29 PM Author: Brass crackhouse First statement depends on the office of my firm. They charge biglaw rates in NYC, DC, etc. A fact which is, in and of itself, hilarious.
But I suppose I take your point, FRIEND. |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:35 PM Author: glittery misanthropic market Yes, FRIEND. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15947435) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:42 PM Author: Brass crackhouse Hurry up and find me a job, asshole. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15947479) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:51 PM Author: glittery misanthropic market Most big firms will run a background check which rules them and corporations of any decent size out. I would start going to aa and networking there and spam 2-20 sized litigation shops in your jurisdiction. You seem to have gotten decent experience. Can you say you argued in court, done deps, done trial crosses and directs? The biglaw litigators (outside of certain niches) that have made that move all seem to be the ones who can pitch the I want more courtroom work and I can do it becuase I have done I before. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15947557) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:56 AM Author: Vibrant clear puppy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15945061) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:56 AM Author: appetizing lilac boistinker hissy fit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15945062) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:33 AM Author: bearded stead jewess shhhh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15945309) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:39 AM Author: Fragrant Maniacal Place Of Business Center cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15945361) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 2:12 AM Author: trip idea he suggested Biglaw isn't particularly good for much of anything other than massive cases and deals. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15945526) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 11:37 AM Author: smoky sneaky criminal chapel ITT: A lawyer invites a client to take business AWAY from his firm.
Future Thread: MY TTT FIRM JUST STEALTH'D ME! |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 11:42 AM Author: elite senate TCR, plus LMAO at < 100 million being a small deal. There's a zero in there that shouldnt be.
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 11:49 AM Author: charismatic cuck pretty sure $100 million company is the exact figure cited in the latest slate article about "death of biglaw" as a sweet spot for midlaw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15947150) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 11:50 AM Author: Insane rough-skinned dilemma welllllllll if SLATE said so! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15947155) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 11:51 AM Author: charismatic cuck i have no idea if that's right but $10 mil company sounds like they should hire shitlaw steve instead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15947160) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 5:11 PM Author: Mind-boggling scarlet roommate persian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15949382) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 11:52 AM Author: Hot point lololol. a $10 million dollar deal nets the firm....what...$300K?
LOL @ the small/midlawyersttt ITT |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 11:55 AM Author: Avocado Set oh look, an xo poster scoffing at $300,000. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15947172) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 4:44 PM Author: beta spot No way the firm gets 300k. Try 100k. I do $500M deals that don't net the firm 300K. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15949139) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 4:53 PM Author: Puce hell jap He was using net to mean pull in (aka gross). For a $10M 300K would be a steep bill, but it's plausible if there is a lot of complexity to the structure, a lot of clean up required and a lot of specialists' input required (which is why you would want to use a biglaw firm). If it's a standard issue stock purchase then it could easily be done for under $100K, and a midlaw firm could probably do it for under $50K, but more than likely the biglaw firm hands it off to some mid-level who putzes around with a junior and balloons the bill as much as they can (to $100K +). That's the deal you want do with a midlaw firm. The problem is that sometimes it's hard to tell how complex a deal is from the outset. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15949233) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:01 PM Author: Cracking rigpig home $2K DWI retainer is a BIG DEAL (steve) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15947219) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:10 PM Author: Vivacious Azure Stage Pocket Flask lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15947279) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 11:53 AM Author: mentally impaired passionate tanning salon karate biglaw is a festering, crumbling, bloated corpse of an institution. i for one look forward to watching its ttt metamorphosis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15947164) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 11:55 AM Author: Pungent degenerate stage Nah, you mainly just wish you were in biglaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15947176) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:04 PM Author: mentally impaired passionate tanning salon karate i do but that doesn't mean i'm wrong (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15947230) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 9:56 AM Author: lascivious seedy box office + 1 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15968964) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:19 PM Author: Arousing hairless theater stage I just hope the ship stays afloat long enough for me to hop in some partner's lifeboat when he leaves to start his own firm, or until I can get into a boutique somewhere. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15947320) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 5:43 PM Author: Crystalline gunner lodge This is some laughable shit. Thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412125&forum_id=2#15949585) |