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Reviewing 26k documents today -- how much to bill?
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:25 AM Author: crusty site pistol In prep for trial, going through 26k documents that were produced to look for trial exhibits. How much time can I bill for this? I estimate that it will actually take abt 6-7 hrs for this to complete. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23120173) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:42 AM Author: hideous pocket flask chapel If you're prepping for trial you should basically already have all your documents of interest for exhibits at hand already and really be choosing which you can use best and which can be stipped and/or entered into evidence. This makes no sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23120240) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:43 AM Author: crusty site pistol I'm unprepared? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23120245) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 12:40 PM Author: hideous pocket flask chapel Not saying that. It just seems odd that you're gearing up for trial but you're essentially doing a first pass doc review (26k docs).
Perhaps just a difference of "trial" prep means. To me it means all depos done, discovery done, all dispositive motions done, you have a trial date on the calendar and you're starting to think about key docs and depo excerpts and witness lists while you start ramping up your direct/cross scripts, etc.
I guess if that's the case you can only do what the bosses tell you to do. |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:43 AM Author: Boyish charcoal locale That's silly. Why prepare for trial ahead of time when settlement is so likely? I've had to do this exact same assignment for several cases. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23120247) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:50 AM Author: crusty site pistol This one wont settle. We r $6 million apart (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23120284) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 3:08 PM Author: impertinent coldplay fan LOL @ shitlaw.
That's about what a month of trial (including pre and post briefs + experts) costs at my firm. |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 3:14 PM Author: Crimson indian lodge jap $6 million apart not settling means an 8 figure dispute which may mean a lot of things, but shitlaw likely is not one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23121308) |
Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:25 AM Author: Boyish charcoal locale 30 hours (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23120176) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 2:01 PM Author: frisky territorial therapy psychic Depending on what the specific task is, this seems reasonable. And definitely not something to do "today." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23120955) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:44 AM Author: Orange Turdskin Boiling Water $26,000 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23120251) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 12:58 PM Author: Dun Stain Whorehouse Just do 46 documents per minute brahh! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23120582) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 1:59 PM Author: Nubile Point Seriously, that seems laughably low. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23120941) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 2:16 PM Author: Amber Flirting Mental Disorder something like this could easily take a week, 10 hrs/day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23121038) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 3:06 PM Author: crusty site pistol Yea I know. But ins client wouldn't pay for 42 hours worth. I'm hoping to squeeze 15-20 hours out of this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23121258) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 3:11 PM Author: Crimson indian lodge jap If you bill 15-20 to an insurer, they will cut it to 8-10. If you bill 40, they'll cut to 20. So err on the side of large. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23121290) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 3:38 PM Author: Amber Flirting Mental Disorder how much the client will pay for is not your problem. the partner can cut it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23121474) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 3:10 PM Author: Crimson indian lodge jap 26,000 PAGES of documents, or 26,000 DOCUMENTS?
Either way, the amount of time you plan to spend on this borders on malpractice, unless the documents are hopelessly and obviously duplicative or are a bunch of shit you can't read or is clearly not relevant. |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 3:11 PM Author: crusty site pistol How much time would be needed to review them? Half are clearly irrelevant just by a quick glance. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23121288) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 3:12 PM Author: Crimson indian lodge jap Depends entirely on the documents; I mean, of course it's possible that it's like, 26,000 pages of meds or 26,000 pages of water table analyses or other shit you cannot possibly hope to read. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23121295) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 3:11 PM Author: Boyish charcoal locale Hot docs have probably mostly been flagged already and nobody else is ever gonna look at these. HTH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23121291) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 3:13 PM Author: Crimson indian lodge jap No sense in not taking one last, extremely comprehensive look. ;) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23121298) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 4:03 PM Author: crusty site pistol Good billing language for these 26k documents? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23121640) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 4:05 PM Author: Amber Flirting Mental Disorder are you able to block bill?
when i had large projects like this, i'd bill 10 hours to "reviewing and analyzing documents in preparation for trial."
they didn't like us offering more description of the nature of the documents since it usually raises more questions than not. |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 4:11 PM Author: crusty site pistol Shit I wish I could block bill, but I can't. This ins company has tried to write down our bills several times. Last month, they stated that spending 1.2 hours analyzing 500 pages of documents was "excessive" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23121686) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 4:13 PM Author: chrome yapping multi-billionaire You can review 4,000 documents an hour? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23121704) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 4:22 PM Author: crusty site pistol Yea I underestimated. I've been at this for 8 hours and I'm barely halfway through it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23121749) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 4:25 PM Author: lake confused institution Jesus Christ insurance defense sounds terrible. Why does anyone work in that area. NEVER ENDING pressure from cheap ass clients (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23121759) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 4:27 PM Author: crusty site pistol Guess my billing rate. 4th yr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23121768) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 4:28 PM Author: lake confused institution $125 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23121775) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 4:41 PM Author: crusty site pistol Oh lord no, I'd quit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23121836) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 4:42 PM Author: lake confused institution Who gives a shit about your rate. What is your salary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23121850) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 4:49 PM Author: crusty site pistol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23121880) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 4:52 PM Author: lake confused institution How many hours do you bill per year and what is your realization rate. I knew your comp was going to be based on collections given your focus on rates but was hoping youd give a number (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23121896) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 5:03 PM Author: crusty site pistol Realization is above 95%.
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 8:48 AM Author: onyx business firm 1 hour for every thousand docs dude. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245464&forum_id=2#23125945) |