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Is Chicago's OCI really going that poorly?
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Date: September 5th, 2010 3:51 AM Author: learning disabled school A number of people with 178+ have no callbacks in MANHATTAN. What gives? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15968679) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 3:53 AM Author: Arousing Address Athletic Conference Chicago is located in Chicago bro. Focus on that market. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15968684) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 3:54 AM Author: learning disabled school The Chicago market is even worse. People with 179+ have ONE FUCKING CALLBACK in Chicago out of 15+ interviews.
Supposedly Chicago places just as well as Columbia and NYU, but it looks much, much worse this year. I just don't get it. Isn't MANHATTAN supposed to be easy? |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 3:57 AM Author: Arousing Address Athletic Conference lol at your shiesty grading system selfpwning (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15968697) |
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Date: September 16th, 2010 9:23 AM Author: Gay tattoo wagecucks could you get into chicago? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16057643) |
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Date: October 13th, 2010 8:28 PM Author: Bateful ungodly market karate Probably, it's kind of a shithole at this point
The real question is why would he want to? |
Date: September 5th, 2010 3:55 AM Author: Cocky Wild Casino Persian totally off topic, but the smartest guy i know turned down both yale and HLS for uchicago. no idea why. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15968688) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 3:58 AM Author: Violent native stfu jjc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15968699) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:24 AM Author: cerebral garrison ratface glaring shiTTTcago trolling (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15968812) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:01 AM Author: aphrodisiac slate station legend ty for that retro post (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15968988) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 1:03 PM Author: insane kitchen well then you must only know dumbasses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15969806) |
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Date: September 16th, 2010 11:34 AM Author: kink-friendly base volcanic crater You can be a brilliant dumb ass. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16058309) |
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Date: October 14th, 2010 9:39 AM Author: abusive point stock car hint: he's actually the dumbest guy you know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16291163) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:00 AM Author: Autistic Pea-brained Pocket Flask It certainly seems this way; unless, for whatever reason, employers are slow to get back to us this year.
But nyc's tendencies are established, and if we were going to hear we would have. A bloodbath is probably the only way to view it |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:43 AM Author: learning disabled school I know a couple people around median or somewhat above with ZERO callbacks in New York...is it because of the late OCI or what?
And yes, NY firms tend to call within 48 hours. Only a few firms call within max a week, so if you haven't heard by then, probably not getting callback. |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 9:49 AM Author: hilarious community account I find this incredibly hard to believe. Even if U of C students have to compete with HYS for Kirkland and Sidley, you would think that for the slightly lesser Chicago firms (Mayer Brown, MWE, Sonnenschein, etc.) that U of C kids would be on the top of their list and getting callbacks in droves (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15968947) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:00 AM Author: contagious quadroon love of her life The problem is that the "lesser Chicago firms" aren't going to have 70 student summer classes to dump droves of Chicago 2Ls into, unlike HYSCN with respect to top NYC firms. Mayer Brown had something like 9 2Ls last summer.
In contrast, there are at least 5 NYC firms with huge summer classes next summer: Cleary, Simpson, Paul Weiss, Debevoise, DPW, Cravath, S&C.
I have a feeling that Chicago students did fine if they targeted NYC. Targeting any other market but that and Houston has, from what I've seen, been suicide for all but the top students. |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:03 AM Author: Arousing Address Athletic Conference ATL had stats and there were 300 SAs in all of Chicago last year. Must suck for Kent sudents. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15968992) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:04 AM Author: hilarious community account Wow. That's astounding. I'd love a link if you have it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15968997) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:19 AM Author: multi-colored alcoholic menage nalpdirectory.com
Start counting. It's bad. |
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Date: September 16th, 2010 9:25 AM Author: razzle-dazzle pistol just theoretically, given your grades and likely 159 on the LSAT, where would you end up at law school? ever thing of going and meeting your heroes close up? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16057651) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:03 AM Author: hilarious community account I see. You've heard that U of Cers are doing well in Houston? |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:04 AM Author: Arousing Address Athletic Conference Enjoy not having ties bitch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15968996) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:29 AM Author: contagious quadroon love of her life No. I think Houston firms are also going to have gargantuan summer classes. They also have a fetish for T10 law students with strong ties to TX.
CA firms historically don't take on many SAs, and the market is cyclical so there's low job security.
DC is competitive as hell.
What does that leave you in terms of major markets??? Not fucking much. |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 12:07 PM Author: Chest-beating Sapphire Striped Hyena Yarmulke The problem is Chicago doesn't have a deep biglaw market so there aren't as many summer associate positions. There was a thread on here a few months ago that showed summer associate positions dropped from like 900 to 300 from summer 2009 to 2010. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15969508) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 12:10 PM Author: Chest-beating Sapphire Striped Hyena Yarmulke Here is the data from the thread I mentioned:
2008 Summer Associate total= 809
2009 Summer Associate total= 581
2010 Summer Associate total= 256
2008 2009 2010 [2L Summer Associate class]
Baker & McKenzie LLP – Chicago
2 8 4
Banner & Witcoff, Ltd.
5 3 3
Barnes & Thornburg LLP
3 0 0
BRINKS HOFER GILSON & LIONE
7 12 1
BRYAN CAVE LLP – CHICAGO
6 3 2
Butler Rubin Saltarelli & Boyd LLP
1 1 1
Chapman and Cutler LLP
10 9 7
DLA Piper LLP (US)
18 7 5
Drinker Biddle & Reath LLP
12 5 4
DYKEMA (Dykema Gossett PLLC) - CHICAGO OFFICE
6 3 2
FITCH EVEN TABIN & FLANNERY
7 1 0
FOLEY & LARDNER LLP- CHICAGO
21 9 4
Goldberg Kohn Ltd.
8 1 1
Greenberg Traurig, LLP
6 7 3
Hinshaw & Culbertson LLP
18 7 8
Holland & Knight LLP – Chicago
6 4 2
JENNER & BLOCK LLP
40 46 16
JONES DAY – CHICAGO
17 21 8
K&L Gates LLP - Chicago, IL
10 13 3
Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP
29 15 5
KIRKLAND & ELLIS LLP – Chicago
54 52 32
LATHAM & WATKINS LLP – CHICAGO
25 20 9
Locke Lord Bissell & Liddell LLP – Chicago
11 2 2
Lovells LLP
7 4 2
Marshall, Gerstein & Borun LLP
4 2 4
MAYER BROWN LLP
71 46 11
McAndrews, Held & Malloy, Ltd.
7 4 4
McDermott Will & Emery LLP
14 14 8
McDonnell Boehnen Hulbert & Berghoff LLP
9 9 9
McGuireWoods LLP – Chicago
8 11 4
Michael Best & Friedrich LLP
2 2 1
Miller Shakman & Beem LLP
2 1 0
Morgan, Lewis & Bockius LLP
5 3 0
Neal, Gerber & Eisenberg LLP
19 10 0
NIXON PEABODY LLP - Chicago, IL
2 1 2
Paul, Hastings, Janofsky & Walker LLP
14 5 5
Perkins Coie LLP
4 3 1
Pircher, Nichols & Meeks
3 3 3
Quarles & Brady LLP
3 3 0
Reed Smith – Chicago
6 6 2
Ropes & Gray LLP
0 6 5
Schiff Hardin LLP
12 21 8
SEYFARTH SHAW LLP – CHICAGO
9 6 0
Shefsky & Froelich Ltd
2 1 1
SIDLEY AUSTIN LLP – CHICAGO
75 43 20
SKADDEN, ARPS, SLATE, MEAGHER & FLOM LLP - CHICAGO
57 33 9
Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal LLP
43 14 6
Thompson Coburn LLP
3 1 1
Ungaretti & Harris LLP
6 4 3
Vedder Price, P.C.
10 5 0
WILDMAN, HARROLD, ALLEN & DIXON LLP
14 17 3
Winston & Strawn LLP
67 54 22 |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:43 PM Author: olive abnormal resort water buffalo Dear god (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15973402) |
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Date: September 16th, 2010 9:25 AM Author: Arousing Address Athletic Conference mother of god (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16057650) |
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Date: September 16th, 2010 10:06 AM Author: Dull big senate indirect expression lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16057790) |
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Date: September 16th, 2010 11:57 AM Author: exhilarant home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16058491) |
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Date: January 5th, 2011 5:17 PM Author: exhilarant home tyty for this chart. I found the Baker data confusing since they only had 2 summers in '08; turns out they "mistakenly" messed up their NALP data by filling up the wrong row.
The 2008-10 numbers are actually: 24 14 (8 offers) 4
In 08, 09 they hired a number of 1L's. LOL
Imo, the 2011 numbers won't look much better when they come out in a couple of months. But I think 2012 will look up |
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Date: January 6th, 2011 2:03 PM Author: Chest-beating Sapphire Striped Hyena Yarmulke Optimistic 1L? Always good to think positive, I guess. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16985116) |
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Date: January 6th, 2011 11:49 AM Author: Arousing Address Athletic Conference (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16984272) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 12:09 PM Author: Autistic Pea-brained Pocket Flask Any Uchi ppl around median - or below - target CA w any success?
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Date: September 5th, 2010 1:06 PM Author: insane kitchen from what i've heard, CA firms are giving out some CBs but there will be very few offers. offer/CB ratios will be somewhere around 1/5 for CA firms (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15969818) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 1:13 PM Author: Autistic Pea-brained Pocket Flask !!!?
Are you sure? On what basis do you have this knowledge |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 1:17 PM Author: insane kitchen friend of a friend of a partner at arguably the best firm in SV (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15969884) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 12:10 PM Author: Swashbuckling fat ankles sound barrier I wonder how RIGOROUS working at McDonald's is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15969523) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 1:23 PM Author: demanding therapy immigrant Yes, it is. I know multiple people with no callbacks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15969936) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 6:17 PM Author: Titillating foreskin To be fair, this should not surprise anyone in the know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15972208) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 6:17 PM Author: Titillating foreskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15972210) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 5:59 PM Author: Autistic Pea-brained Pocket Flask (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15972109) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 6:04 PM Author: Autistic Pea-brained Pocket Flask to be honest, the self-selection -- and corresponding onslaught -- into Chicago shouldn't account for the majority of the pain here.
Chicago isn't placing into NYC at nearly the same click as our peers. This is troubling. I feel like Penn is doing a better job placing their at-median kids into firms. |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 7:00 PM Author: massive hairless corner median at penn is looking rough. most median ppl i know have 0-2 callbacks. some are pushing 4-5, but very very few ppl. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15972564) |
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Date: January 5th, 2011 5:04 PM Author: Tripping church (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16978407) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:13 PM Author: bearded stain how much will they pay me to clean the toilets at biglaw? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15973168) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:16 PM Author: crimson psychic plaza c/o 2013 should defer/take a leave of absence right now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15973180) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:32 PM Author: Autistic Pea-brained Pocket Flask the entire class? just get up and defer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15973307) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:16 PM Author: crimson psychic plaza and c/o 2012 without jobs should take a leave of absence too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15973187) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:29 PM Author: metal office ... so hows UIUC doing? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15973279) |
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Date: September 16th, 2010 11:37 AM Author: kink-friendly base volcanic crater lol mad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16058335) |
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Date: September 16th, 2010 9:22 AM Author: contagious quadroon love of her life HOLY SHIT!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16057641) |
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Date: September 16th, 2010 9:24 AM Author: cheese-eating famous landscape painting locale explain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16057647) |
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Date: September 16th, 2010 9:40 AM Author: Cyan godawful mood LOL I GO TO MVP AND HAVE 4 NYC CBS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16057700) |
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Date: September 16th, 2010 10:49 AM Author: Autistic Pea-brained Pocket Flask cool.
go fuck yourself. |
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Date: September 16th, 2010 11:55 AM Author: exhilarant home I don't doubt your anecdotal evidence, but OCS released the "who works where" list for the c/o 2011 (that just finished summering). Seems like median and above medians did fine in NYC. Multiple ppl ended up at Debevoise, DPW, Paul Weiss, etc. and that was last year, which I would think was worse than this year. Typically 1/3 of the LR types head to DC, not NYC
But yeah, sucks that Chicago biglaw has gone from 900 SA's to 250 (probably no more than 300 this upcoming summer). It's probably less than both those numbers; half the firms listed in a previous post don't pay market. By contrast, NYC has probably gone from ~3500 to 2000. Keep in mind though that uchi's class is pretty small (200), tends to disperse geographically, not many HYS'ers come to chicago, and chicago firms like seeing chicago ties; hence I don't think relatively speaking uchi is placing poorly in chicago |
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Date: September 16th, 2010 2:38 PM Author: Autistic Pea-brained Pocket Flask (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16059784) |
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Date: October 13th, 2010 8:13 PM Author: Free-loading Diverse Tanning Salon French Chef So what were the results? They kicked ass here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16286847) |
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Date: October 13th, 2010 8:15 PM Author: contagious quadroon love of her life weil callbacks dont count. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16286870) |
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Date: October 13th, 2010 9:13 PM Author: Autistic Pea-brained Pocket Flask ??? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16287413) |
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Date: October 14th, 2010 9:25 AM Author: Titillating foreskin to be fair, if you can't make top third at a ttt like u of c, you're either too dumb or too lazy to deserve biglaw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16291135) |
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Date: October 14th, 2010 9:27 AM Author: Cream Fortuitous Meteor LOL @ needing to be smart for biglaw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16291142) |
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Date: October 14th, 2010 9:33 AM Author: Titillating foreskin no one said anything about needing to be smart - just about reaching a certain threshold of above-simian intelligence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16291156) |
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Date: October 14th, 2010 9:38 AM Author: Galvanic toilet seat so you're able to keep up with your biglaw job despite being dumb, then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16291161) |
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Date: October 14th, 2010 11:22 AM Author: burgundy floppy bawdyhouse hunting ground It's weird. It seems that Chicago placed worse into New York than MVP. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16291736) |
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Date: January 5th, 2011 5:07 PM Author: Autistic Pea-brained Pocket Flask very little dishonesty on my part. read carefully. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16978435) |
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Date: January 5th, 2011 5:09 PM Author: contagious quadroon love of her life dude, u didnt even start 1L at the time and you were focusing on this shit. i didnt evne know what OCI was until i began my second semester of 1L
hows about you break out the chicago mold and get laid? |
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Date: January 5th, 2011 5:10 PM Author: Autistic Pea-brained Pocket Flask im going to professional school. the only thing anyone in professional school can possibly care about is entering/being employable in that profession. OCI is the main vehicle for achieving that. I hardly think this makes me 'unusual' or 'crazy'
and im legitimately one of the more normal people in my class |
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Date: January 5th, 2011 5:43 PM Author: contagious quadroon love of her life that's truly frightening. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16978695) |
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Date: January 6th, 2011 2:07 PM Author: Curious crawly step-uncle's house you know the real problem here?
not only are firms ramping up drug screening, but they aren't hiring virgins. perhaps this is why chicago is getting hit the hardest in OCI numbers. |