\
  The most prestigious law school admissions discussion board in the world.
BackRefresh Options Favorite

Corporations don't get enough blame for abandoning customer service responsibili

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1kr21nn/wom...
glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs
  05/20/25
Here: - Lowe's likely gave her a delivery date far out in...
glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs
  05/20/25
Women should not buy appliances or deal with repairs of anyt...
charcoal autistic mad-dog skullcap
  05/20/25
Best Buy still does this, I had a guy come out and got a few...
lascivious marketing idea
  05/20/25
That's 180, how much did they charge for it?
glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs
  05/20/25
It's a free appointment: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/servic...
lascivious marketing idea
  05/20/25
No one is willing to pay for customer service. When I see...
charcoal autistic mad-dog skullcap
  05/20/25
People are willing to pay. Corporate greed has stretched cus...
glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs
  05/20/25
No they’re not imo. You buy a fridge online on price. ...
charcoal autistic mad-dog skullcap
  05/20/25
it's the illusion of a competitive price. we are getting scr...
glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs
  05/20/25
The people who say that the most are the ones Consooming con...
charcoal autistic mad-dog skullcap
  05/20/25
Future time orientation, iq, etc. You do not think about ...
Unholy national coffee pot
  05/20/25
They've convinced poors like cowgod that they are being savv...
glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs
  05/20/25
customer svc is such a non-tangible abstract value (what do ...
Unholy national coffee pot
  05/20/25
whether it's "smart" or not is how we've ended up ...
glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs
  05/20/25
Airlines are the best example again. Literally everyone is l...
Dark medicated nowag candlestick maker
  05/20/25
why is this Lowe's or the delivery driver's fault?
cerebral alcoholic immigrant plaza
  05/20/25
everyone wants to externalize our collective responsibility ...
Silver Razzmatazz Abode
  05/20/25
lol "we're" not in charge of the government in any...
glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs
  05/20/25
go back to consuela's blog. if we aren't then we're complici...
Silver Razzmatazz Abode
  05/20/25
there's no shadowy force, the various lobbies operate in pla...
glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs
  05/20/25
So what are you gonna do about it? Keep bitching?
Cyan histrionic tanning salon goyim
  05/20/25
Yeah
glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs
  05/20/25
Good luck with that
Cyan histrionic tanning salon goyim
  05/20/25
this abdication of collective responsibility is why you muzz...
Silver Razzmatazz Abode
  05/20/25
also lmao at "go back to reddit" you are literally...
Silver Razzmatazz Abode
  05/20/25
u mad
glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs
  05/20/25
Sup, Mitt
Brilliant crusty garrison puppy
  05/20/25
People aren't willing to pay for customer service. The mark...
irradiated adulterous love of her life private investor
  05/20/25
cuck
glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs
  05/20/25
Explain
irradiated adulterous love of her life private investor
  05/20/25
why would businesses want customer service when all customer...
Offensive range
  05/20/25
it leads to happier customers who they are in the business o...
glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs
  05/20/25
why would they give a shit about "happier customers&quo...
concupiscible site
  05/20/25
he is mentally a Woman
Magical Den
  05/20/25
they want to make it as hard as possible to cancel subscript...
Offensive range
  05/20/25
It's a terrible experience. You have to be there and you do...
At-the-ready Masturbator
  05/20/25
condo life sounds horrible
Offensive range
  05/20/25
titcr, don't worry gunner said it could all be fixed if we j...
glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs
  05/20/25
i'm saying we are collectively responsible for our situation...
Silver Razzmatazz Abode
  05/20/25
HYPO: You, ParaMo, are dictator of the USA. What is your sol...
Cyan histrionic tanning salon goyim
  05/20/25
As a dictator it's pretty easy. Declare any corporation ...
glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs
  05/20/25
Wtf is an on shore customer service agent. Define your terms...
Cyan histrionic tanning salon goyim
  05/20/25
You haven't heard of on-shore, off-shore, near-shore, etc.? ...
glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs
  05/20/25
lmao ok actually clicked the link tyft
Silver Razzmatazz Abode
  05/20/25
Stop making excuses for this chimp. Are you nuts also? This ...
carmine station cumskin
  05/20/25
wait, i thought i got reverse big willy'd and paramo is bein...
Silver Razzmatazz Abode
  05/20/25
...
cerebral alcoholic immigrant plaza
  05/20/25
"No, you don't have a doctorate's degree - there's noth...
disturbing knife bawdyhouse
  05/20/25
Poor Larry
Brilliant crusty garrison puppy
  05/20/25
Getting anything delivered is terrible these days. I bought ...
henna faggotry cuckoldry
  05/20/25
They probably expected a "tip" too.
At-the-ready Masturbator
  05/20/25
...
carmine station cumskin
  05/21/25
Doesn't your law firm offer a concierge furniture shopping/d...
lascivious marketing idea
  05/21/25
?
henna faggotry cuckoldry
  05/21/25
Did you try to suck of the delivery Chad?
aromatic lodge
  05/21/25
No hehe
henna faggotry cuckoldry
  05/21/25


Poast new message in this thread



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 1:09 PM
Author: glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1kr21nn/woman_melts_down_at_delivery_driver_after_her_new/

she's a little crazy but this should never happen if corporations didn't put the onus for pretty much everything on the customer. it wasn't always like this. shareholder value was a disastrous concept for retailers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947330)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 1:12 PM
Author: glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs

Here:

- Lowe's likely gave her a delivery date far out in the future so she's already probably upset, using a spare fridge, eating out, etc.

- Lowe's chose to hire contractors who have their own policies for delivery and don't give a fuck about CS

- The contractor's are all different and your experiences may vary from one to the next

- If the fridge doesn't fit, it will be her fault and they'll charge her a restocking fee

All of this could be avoided if, like in the good days, Lowe's sent out a salesman with a fucking catalogue, the salesman took measurements, the customer ordered the fridge, and it was delivered by a Lowe's employee who took the old fridge back with him.

I mean this is disastrous and I feel bad for her.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947352)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 1:18 PM
Author: charcoal autistic mad-dog skullcap

Women should not buy appliances or deal with repairs of anything. They’ll either think they’re getting ripped off and get emotional, or actually get ripped off.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947391)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 1:58 PM
Author: lascivious marketing idea

Best Buy still does this, I had a guy come out and got a few proposals a couple days later.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947589)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 2:06 PM
Author: glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs

That's 180, how much did they charge for it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947609)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 5:31 PM
Author: lascivious marketing idea

It's a free appointment: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/services/best-buy-home/pcmcat748300620643.c

I imagine the laziness tax is in the cost of the appliances and then paying them to install it but whatever, at this point in my faggy legal career I'd rather let the proles worry about just handling everything for me than optimizing to the penny

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48948506)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 1:13 PM
Author: charcoal autistic mad-dog skullcap

No one is willing to pay for customer service.

When I see a car dealer or something advertising its customer service im just like “lol fag I’ll just get the cheapest one.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947360)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 1:17 PM
Author: glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs

People are willing to pay. Corporate greed has stretched customer budgets as far as they will go at the expense of corporate profits and the cutting of things like customer service. The reason you want the cheapest one is because now customer service is an add-on and you are forced to stretch every dollar as far as it will go.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947384)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: charcoal autistic mad-dog skullcap

No they’re not imo. You buy a fridge online on price. It’s like an airline ticket. The only time people will pay for it is when a salesman talks them into it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947421)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 1:25 PM
Author: glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs

it's the illusion of a competitive price. we are getting screwed and people don't even realize it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947445)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 1:59 PM
Author: charcoal autistic mad-dog skullcap

The people who say that the most are the ones Consooming constantly. Yes, you’re getting screwed. Be more Price Elastic ffs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947590)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: Unholy national coffee pot

Future time orientation, iq, etc.

You do not think about the lost time / money dealing with a pajeet in 8 months.

as is usually true, the rich are rich for good reasons, and they will buy from a place where they know they will not lose time and money in the future.

the poor are thinking BESTPRICENOW

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947455)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs

They've convinced poors like cowgod that they are being savvy by shopping for the lowest price but it's an illusion, prices are high as fuck for what you get and the cost centers have basically shifted from things that used to benefit the customer (like service) to more money lining the pockets of the rich.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947492)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: Unholy national coffee pot

customer svc is such a non-tangible abstract value (what do you mean once my product breaks? my product works fine right now!), corps are smart to degrade it.

they are literally selling worse physical, tangible products (here's the same thing but made of chinese plastic, shit fast growth wood, etc etc) and people are paying more

if people will shell out for literal garbage, there will be no shortage of corps to sell it.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947509)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs

whether it's "smart" or not is how we've ended up with jewish financial engineering in all segments of our economy. i'm talking about whether it's right and what it used to be. you are correct to point out that it extends beyond cs and we're all just buying shittier things so the rich have their own separate economies of better stuff that's available only for them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947538)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 9:22 PM
Author: Dark medicated nowag candlestick maker

Airlines are the best example again. Literally everyone is like, "And you'll never see me again on United after this experience!!!!"

then two months later theyre like "oh i guess United is $2 cheaper i'll go with them"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48949481)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 1:42 PM
Author: cerebral alcoholic immigrant plaza

why is this Lowe's or the delivery driver's fault?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947525)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: Silver Razzmatazz Abode

everyone wants to externalize our collective responsibility onto some bad actor. corporations are just collections of people. they're run by us and they exist because we patronize them over better but more expensive mom and pops. we're also in charge of the government that could create laws to prevent corporate consolidation, PE rape, etc. making things worse for everyone for profitability.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947539)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 1:46 PM
Author: glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs

lol "we're" not in charge of the government in any meaningful sense, go back to reddit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947543)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 1:52 PM
Author: Silver Razzmatazz Abode

go back to consuela's blog. if we aren't then we're complicit in consenting to being governed by the central bankers or whatever shadowy force you think is running things.

this type of "wah wah wah we are helpless against the bad things happening to us" is reddit behavior. blaming "corporations" would fit right in, go poast this to /r/politics.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947562)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 1:54 PM
Author: glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs

there's no shadowy force, the various lobbies operate in plain sight. lol "just pass a bill outlawing it!" ok sure bud, sure

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947571)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 2:03 PM
Author: Cyan histrionic tanning salon goyim

So what are you gonna do about it? Keep bitching?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947603)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 2:06 PM
Author: glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs

Yeah

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947606)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 2:07 PM
Author: Cyan histrionic tanning salon goyim

Good luck with that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947614)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 2:07 PM
Author: Silver Razzmatazz Abode

this abdication of collective responsibility is why you muzzies have been cucked by foreign powers since the beginning of time. as if we haven't been cucked by the powerful before and changed it.

note i'm not pointing fingers at you specifically, it's your attitude of "oh no it's THE CORPORATIONS! oh no it's the LOBBIES!" no faggot it's us, we ARE the corporations, we ARE the lobbies, and we ARE the people getting fucked by them too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947615)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 2:18 PM
Author: Silver Razzmatazz Abode

also lmao at "go back to reddit" you are literally poasting a fucking reddit thread and presumably browse normie ass subs like /r/publicfreakout in your spare time.

"GO BACK TO REDDIT" (guy poasting reddit ragebait because he got enraged by it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947647)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 2:27 PM
Author: glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs

u mad

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947701)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 5:26 PM
Author: Brilliant crusty garrison puppy

Sup, Mitt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48948489)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 1:50 PM
Author: irradiated adulterous love of her life private investor

People aren't willing to pay for customer service. The market has spoken.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947556)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 1:54 PM
Author: glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs

cuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947574)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 1:58 PM
Author: irradiated adulterous love of her life private investor

Explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947586)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 1:59 PM
Author: Offensive range

why would businesses want customer service when all customer service leads to is lost business or extra expenses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947591)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 2:02 PM
Author: glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs

it leads to happier customers who they are in the business of serving

the jewish programming even itt among purportedly smart people is absolutely insane, it's never coming back

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947599)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 2:09 PM
Author: concupiscible site

why would they give a shit about "happier customers"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947618)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 4:41 PM
Author: Magical Den

he is mentally a Woman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48948350)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 2:10 PM
Author: Offensive range

they want to make it as hard as possible to cancel subscriptions and get refunds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947620)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 2:11 PM
Author: At-the-ready Masturbator

It's a terrible experience. You have to be there and you don't know the delivery date until right before. You won't know the time until the day of delivery.

Want it brought in your door instead of left on your front porch? That'll be $150. Want your old fridge removed? That'll be another $150. Need it carried upstairs? That'll be another $150.

Live in a condo building? Oh, you'll need to get a COI, pay $25 to the building to get the form. Take the form to the delivery company. Oh, they didn't fill it out right, sorry can't get in the door, have to reschedule the delivery.

Oh, your fridge was dented? Too bad, you already signed for it.

Want to return it? That'll be another $150 restocking fee.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947625)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 2:13 PM
Author: Offensive range

condo life sounds horrible

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947628)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 2:27 PM
Author: glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs

titcr, don't worry gunner said it could all be fixed if we just pass some laws

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947700)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: Silver Razzmatazz Abode

i'm saying we are collectively responsible for our situation. if you want to act like a woman and pretend we're helpless without someone calling you out then you should remain on reddit where you can just downvote anyone that points it out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947789)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 2:52 PM
Author: Cyan histrionic tanning salon goyim

HYPO: You, ParaMo, are dictator of the USA. What is your solution to the problem posed in your OP?

Hard mode: No gassing all kikes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947852)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 3:36 PM
Author: glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs

As a dictator it's pretty easy.

Declare any corporation selling products >$100 to have only on-shore customer service agents.

Declare any corporation delivering products of a certain size and weight to only provide delivery with their own employees within 5 business days. No restocking fees for any reason whatsoever, this will force them to measure entryways before agreeing to sell fridges that don't fit.

Toss Gunner in a woodchipper

It's really pretty simple. The hard mode is doing anything like this in our current kiked out globohomo society where your votes are basically meaningless past the local level.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48948144)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 3:41 PM
Author: Cyan histrionic tanning salon goyim

Wtf is an on shore customer service agent. Define your terms (ljl at this brown ESL off the boat faggots use of 'on shore')

How is your administration going to enforce these rules?

Will there be similar rules for every other product/service? Why/why not

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48948163)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: glittery seedy principal's office hairy legs

You haven't heard of on-shore, off-shore, near-shore, etc.? Common business terms. Um it's usually the continental U.S. but we can include Hawaii and Alaska.

Enforcement - something like the CFPB, heavy fines at the federal level after a certain point, and nuclear option would be to strip their EIN.

You asked me to solve this particular problem so I haven't contemplated every other product or service. But yeah I'd support American-friendly policies like this.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48948176)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: Silver Razzmatazz Abode

lmao ok actually clicked the link tyft

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48947858)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 3:49 PM
Author: carmine station cumskin

Stop making excuses for this chimp. Are you nuts also? This has nothing to do with customer service. Lowe's will gladly take that fridge back and refund her money.

Speaking of customer service, most American retailers are pretty decent at it. Where else in the world can you return goods and get your money back?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48948185)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 4:27 PM
Author: Silver Razzmatazz Abode

wait, i thought i got reverse big willy'd and paramo is being sarcastic. did i get double reverse big willy'd?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48948322)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 4:39 PM
Author: cerebral alcoholic immigrant plaza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48948342)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 3:59 PM
Author: disturbing knife bawdyhouse

"No, you don't have a doctorate's degree - there's nothing for you to understand"

LOL, guarantee she's a kamala voter who got her boosters multiple times

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48948211)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 5:26 PM
Author: Brilliant crusty garrison puppy

Poor Larry

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48948484)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 11:26 PM
Author: henna faggotry cuckoldry

Getting anything delivered is terrible these days. I bought a bedframe and mattress from a major chain and their delivery people tracked in mud and damaged my furniture.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48949804)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 20th, 2025 11:47 PM
Author: At-the-ready Masturbator

They probably expected a "tip" too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48949835)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 21st, 2025 8:44 AM
Author: carmine station cumskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48950271)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 21st, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: lascivious marketing idea

Doesn't your law firm offer a concierge furniture shopping/delivery service? It's a standard perk

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48949874)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 21st, 2025 12:07 AM
Author: henna faggotry cuckoldry

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48949880)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 21st, 2025 12:20 AM
Author: aromatic lodge

Did you try to suck of the delivery Chad?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48949894)



Reply Favorite

Date: May 21st, 2025 2:02 AM
Author: henna faggotry cuckoldry

No hehe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5727772&forum_id=2#48949971)