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Charles: Jesus dies in 30 -> Rome peaks 117 -> Dark ages until 1800s

how do you not see everything became horrible because of Cat...
rusted dog poop
  09/20/18
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rusted dog poop
  09/20/18
religion is the devil.
stimulating really tough guy
  09/20/18
Can't tell if sarcasm? It was only the "dark ages&qu...
obsidian stage dysfunction
  09/20/18
...
Metal rambunctious volcanic crater bbw
  09/20/18
op is mfe, bro
sick parlor
  09/20/18
(gore vi:Dal)
burgundy puppy
  09/20/18
“Dark Ages” is a myth
Coiffed selfie
  09/20/18
Libs invented the dark ages to discredit white people. If yo...
Motley flatulent plaza
  09/20/18
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Filthy boyish jewess
  12/02/18
Settle down, Gibbon
chartreuse heaven athletic conference
  12/02/18
...
Filthy boyish jewess
  12/02/18
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godawful zippy whorehouse affirmative action
  12/03/18
so is it possible we could have had the internet 200 years e...
ebony people who are hurt
  12/02/18
Pretty sure Rome had that stuff.
olive jap library
  12/02/18
ho lee shit
ebony people who are hurt
  12/02/18
What happened in 1800
Filthy boyish jewess
  12/02/18
discovery of fossil fuels. living standards actually peaked ...
rusted dog poop
  12/02/18
flame on the athens thing
Filthy boyish jewess
  12/03/18
32% urbanization rate!
rusted dog poop
  12/03/18
The chart on HDI for the Greek East is total fucking flame. ...
concupiscible step-uncle's house regret
  12/03/18
social science shitheaddery like this is also behind the ide...
Filthy boyish jewess
  12/03/18
(guy totally impartial about who was in charge in 900 AD)
rusted dog poop
  12/03/18
Romans were in charge in 900 AD, and the Eastern Empire was ...
chartreuse heaven athletic conference
  12/03/18
German scholars began questioning the historicity of Jesus
diverse at-the-ready ceo immigrant
  12/02/18
Dark Ages are real but blaming them on Christianity is low I...
concupiscible step-uncle's house regret
  12/03/18
whys it gotta be the DARK ages hmmmmmmmm?
Filthy boyish jewess
  12/03/18
Because of the lack of written record. There were meticulou...
cracking salmon wagecucks
  12/03/18
But literature is a good proxy for decadence. Someone that h...
rusted dog poop
  12/03/18
In fact Christianity gave them a unified ideology & a so...
chartreuse heaven athletic conference
  12/03/18
...so why did it take 2 millenia to recover instead of a cou...
rusted dog poop
  12/03/18
? Absolute flame Romans didn't even have fucking stirrups...
chartreuse heaven athletic conference
  12/03/18
Lack of slaves mean subsisTTTence living.
rusted dog poop
  12/03/18
It didn't; the idea that life was worse in 1700 compared to ...
concupiscible step-uncle's house regret
  12/03/18
LOL @ claiming a higher population living at subsistence is ...
rusted dog poop
  12/03/18
Not to mention one could just as easily blame them on Islam....
Lascivious water buffalo
  12/03/18
Shit was falling apart well before Islam so while that didn&...
concupiscible step-uncle's house regret
  12/03/18
It was a primary factor in 1. demonetization of European eco...
Lascivious water buffalo
  12/03/18
Like I said, it didn't help, but the old Roman Empire was fa...
concupiscible step-uncle's house regret
  12/03/18
In 380, under Emperor Theodosius I, Catholicism became the s...
rusted dog poop
  12/03/18
It was already TTT by the time Xtianity came forward - read ...
chartreuse heaven athletic conference
  12/03/18
Aurelian master race
gold orchestra pit juggernaut
  12/03/18
He was 180, but was ulitmately only a fireman b/c of his ear...
chartreuse heaven athletic conference
  12/03/18
can't argue with thescience https://i.stack.imgur.com/XE9...
Pungent Turquoise Business Firm Hominid
  12/03/18
Reddit is lols
Supple chapel
  12/03/18
...
chartreuse heaven athletic conference
  12/03/18
But I thought muslims were making yuge scientific advances d...
Ultramarine aphrodisiac shrine
  12/03/18
lmfao
maniacal nursing home
  12/03/18
...
Sienna trust fund
  12/03/18
You need to read more books :D, I am diving into this time p...
cracking salmon wagecucks
  12/03/18
LOL there was MONARCHY and CLERGY. How TTT!
rusted dog poop
  12/03/18
952 and 1144 were just as crazy interesting as today.
cracking salmon wagecucks
  12/03/18
(Guy really interested in subsistence living)
rusted dog poop
  12/03/18
What books
Filthy boyish jewess
  12/03/18
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691173141/
rusted dog poop
  12/03/18
This is your brain on xkcd
Sienna trust fund
  12/03/18
lol @ :D always citing Richard Carrier for all ancient histo...
stubborn senate
  12/03/18
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691173141/ https://en.wi...
rusted dog poop
  12/03/18
Q predicted this
Wonderful bearded set
  12/03/18


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Date: September 20th, 2018 1:52 AM
Author: rusted dog poop

how do you not see everything became horrible because of Catholicism

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846683)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 3:28 AM
Author: rusted dog poop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846879)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 3:32 AM
Author: stimulating really tough guy

religion is the devil.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846880)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 4:49 AM
Author: obsidian stage dysfunction

Can't tell if sarcasm?

It was only the "dark ages" in a relatively small part of the world - western europe. The Eastern Roman empire did very well although it had its ups and downs - was still vibrant and making progress, as did other parts of the world with very religious people.

You could just as well say - Diocletian divide ~276 --> Constantine reorganizes empire and moves East to the more economically productive / wealthy parts + legalizes Christianity 325 --> Christianity becomes Official State religion under Theodosius around 390-ish I think -->

After Christianity is legalized then becomes official state religion, several generations later Eastern Roman Empire (which they just considered the roman empire) reaches its peak under XO Justinian in 560s

Your thesis makes no sense considering the roman empire - particularly in the west - was *already* in deep trouble by mid 3rd century

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846926)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 5:45 AM
Author: Metal rambunctious volcanic crater bbw



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846951)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 6:06 AM
Author: sick parlor

op is mfe, bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846964)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 5:58 AM
Author: burgundy puppy

(gore vi:Dal)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846960)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 6:04 AM
Author: Coiffed selfie

“Dark Ages” is a myth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846962)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 6:07 AM
Author: Motley flatulent plaza

Libs invented the dark ages to discredit white people. If you want to see real dark ages look at the entire history of subsaharan africa

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846968)



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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:09 PM
Author: Filthy boyish jewess



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37339996)



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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:03 PM
Author: chartreuse heaven athletic conference

Settle down, Gibbon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37339925)



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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:09 PM
Author: Filthy boyish jewess



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37339991)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:58 PM
Author: godawful zippy whorehouse affirmative action



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343030)



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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: ebony people who are hurt

so is it possible we could have had the internet 200 years earlier and could have now had flying cars and sex bots that are indistinguishable from humans?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37340148)



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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: olive jap library

Pretty sure Rome had that stuff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37340150)



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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:38 PM
Author: ebony people who are hurt

ho lee shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37340164)



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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:37 PM
Author: Filthy boyish jewess

What happened in 1800

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37340158)



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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:38 PM
Author: rusted dog poop

discovery of fossil fuels. living standards actually peaked in 4th century BC athens.

https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14660

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37340163)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:54 AM
Author: Filthy boyish jewess

flame on the athens thing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341698)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:56 PM
Author: rusted dog poop

32% urbanization rate!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342665)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:57 AM
Author: concupiscible step-uncle's house regret

The chart on HDI for the Greek East is total fucking flame. LJL at 900 AD being worse than the Bronze Age Collapse. That was an actual Dark Age where Greeks had to RE-INVENT writing because they forgot how to do it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341707)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 10:00 AM
Author: Filthy boyish jewess

social science shitheaddery like this is also behind the idea that pre-british colonization india had some AMAZING standard of living. just lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341718)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:01 PM
Author: rusted dog poop

(guy totally impartial about who was in charge in 900 AD)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342257)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:56 PM
Author: chartreuse heaven athletic conference

Romans were in charge in 900 AD, and the Eastern Empire was coming on a fucking REVENGE TOUR in the 9th and 10th century hth faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342670)



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Date: December 2nd, 2018 11:11 PM
Author: diverse at-the-ready ceo immigrant

German scholars began questioning the historicity of Jesus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37340449)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:53 AM
Author: concupiscible step-uncle's house regret

Dark Ages are real but blaming them on Christianity is low IQ. Demographic collapse, long-term economic stagnation, de-urbanization, and political fragmentation that took centuries to reverse were all critical and not particularly linked to Christianity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341694)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:54 AM
Author: Filthy boyish jewess

whys it gotta be the DARK ages hmmmmmmmm?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341699)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:59 PM
Author: cracking salmon wagecucks

Because of the lack of written record. There were meticulously prepared histories of Greece and Rome that survived but they didn’t do that across Europe and had a tendency to burn the others “Chronicles” when new power came along.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343039)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:05 PM
Author: rusted dog poop

But literature is a good proxy for decadence. Someone that has time to write histories isn't living at subsistence at risk of starvation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343078)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 10:07 AM
Author: chartreuse heaven athletic conference

In fact Christianity gave them a unified ideology & a society to recover from said devastation - only remaining functioning govt and SCHOLARSHIP were the Church apparatus for a while in the West and in the East Xtian fanticism saved them vs the Sassanids (Heraclius is the FIRST Crusader)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341734)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:02 PM
Author: rusted dog poop

...so why did it take 2 millenia to recover instead of a couple centuries?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342265)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:03 PM
Author: chartreuse heaven athletic conference

? Absolute flame

Romans didn't even have fucking stirrups for that CAVALRY, Germans developed better democratic governance & Europe didnt' employ slaves,

France had much much better agricultural output than the Roman times



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342277)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:22 PM
Author: rusted dog poop

Lack of slaves mean subsisTTTence living.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342436)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:03 PM
Author: concupiscible step-uncle's house regret

It didn't; the idea that life was worse in 1700 compared to 0 AD is fucking flame, or if it is true, fails to account for a dramatic explosion in population.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343065)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:10 PM
Author: rusted dog poop

LOL @ claiming a higher population living at subsistence is a brag

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343098)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:29 PM
Author: Lascivious water buffalo

Not to mention one could just as easily blame them on Islam. After muslims conquered the middle east europe lost its main supplies of gold and papyrus.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342468)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:31 PM
Author: concupiscible step-uncle's house regret

Shit was falling apart well before Islam so while that didn’t help it’s not really the cause.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342476)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:38 PM
Author: Lascivious water buffalo

It was a primary factor in 1. demonetization of European economies, and 2. lack of writing/scholarship for about 700 years. The only thing they could make books out of was parchment, which was extremely expensive and time consuming to produce.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342897)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:41 PM
Author: concupiscible step-uncle's house regret

Like I said, it didn't help, but the old Roman Empire was far worse off in 630 than it was in in 330, which in turn was much worse off than it was in 30.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342908)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:49 PM
Author: rusted dog poop

In 380, under Emperor Theodosius I, Catholicism became the state religion of the Roman Empire

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342963)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:51 PM
Author: chartreuse heaven athletic conference

It was already TTT by the time Xtianity came forward - read up on the Crisis of the 3rd Century.

Constantine saved teh Empire hth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342981)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:55 PM
Author: gold orchestra pit juggernaut

Aurelian master race

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343010)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:00 PM
Author: chartreuse heaven athletic conference

He was 180, but was ulitmately only a fireman b/c of his early death

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343045)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 10:20 AM
Author: Pungent Turquoise Business Firm Hominid

can't argue with thescience

https://i.stack.imgur.com/XE9el.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341777)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:53 PM
Author: Supple chapel

Reddit is lols

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342638)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:53 PM
Author: chartreuse heaven athletic conference



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342643)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:51 PM
Author: Ultramarine aphrodisiac shrine

But I thought muslims were making yuge scientific advances during that time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342982)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:07 PM
Author: maniacal nursing home

lmfao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343091)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:21 PM
Author: Sienna trust fund



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37345636)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:53 PM
Author: cracking salmon wagecucks

You need to read more books :D, I am diving into this time period and it’s incredible how alive the world was. Religion overall probably made it worse, but some amazing things happened over those 1600 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342993)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:57 PM
Author: rusted dog poop

LOL there was MONARCHY and CLERGY. How TTT!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343022)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:58 PM
Author: cracking salmon wagecucks

952 and 1144 were just as crazy interesting as today.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343029)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:28 PM
Author: rusted dog poop

(Guy really interested in subsistence living)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343197)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:32 PM
Author: Filthy boyish jewess

What books

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37345681)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:34 PM
Author: rusted dog poop

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691173141/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37345690)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:28 PM
Author: Sienna trust fund

This is your brain on xkcd

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343200)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:12 PM
Author: stubborn senate

lol @ :D always citing Richard Carrier for all ancient history facts.

Seems like :D discovers a website devoted to a weird slant of a popular topic and then just gives himself entirely to it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37345588)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:14 PM
Author: rusted dog poop

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691173141/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josiah_Ober

This guy is a SCHOLAR.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37345608)



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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:13 PM
Author: Wonderful bearded set

Q predicted this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37345600)