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Thinking of cutting off communication with my dad

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Thirsty Library
  10/06/17
explain. Also, lol @ moniker
Mentally Impaired Trust Fund Coldplay Fan
  10/06/17
he's borderline unhinged and a huge loser. knows i dont like...
Thirsty Library
  10/06/17
Is he a drunk?
bronze location
  10/06/17
Not at all, very high NPD. When you talk to him he will just...
Thirsty Library
  10/06/17
if you are my IRL brother, text me.
charismatic ruby school
  10/06/17
show me a sign
Thirsty Library
  10/06/17
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charismatic ruby school
  10/06/17
nope. havent seen my brother in years
Thirsty Library
  10/06/17
Oh, hey, bro, its me. Long time.
Magenta sound barrier
  10/06/17
This would be hilarious
cordovan curious persian
  10/06/17
that sucks. tell him what you expect of your relationship an...
sooty tattoo
  10/06/17
Sounds a lot like my dad.
ebony magical set
  10/06/17
are you jewish
Swashbuckling flickering heaven turdskin
  10/06/17
no
Thirsty Library
  10/06/17
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Low-t Contagious University
  12/17/17
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Underhanded Piazza Son Of Senegal
  10/06/17
he said he's a failure for raising a trump supporter child ...
sooty tattoo
  10/06/17
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Underhanded Piazza Son Of Senegal
  10/06/17
it's a symptom that you're not recognizing is part of a patt...
sooty tattoo
  10/06/17
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Underhanded Piazza Son Of Senegal
  10/06/17
maybe you've never been exposed to or recognized this http:...
sooty tattoo
  10/06/17
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Thirsty Library
  10/06/17
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Underhanded Piazza Son Of Senegal
  10/06/17
i don't know what amog or amoging is. they just don't unders...
sooty tattoo
  10/06/17
u couldn't imagine this?
Spectacular yellow nursing home
  12/18/17
lol no wonder you're gay
stirring stage cuckold
  10/06/17
120
purple bespoke spot degenerate
  10/06/17
I came into thread to say don't but after reading your posts...
aphrodisiac infuriating organic girlfriend
  10/06/17
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Flirting Chad Ape
  10/06/17
thought this would be lil petey!
Racy hospital mad-dog skullcap
  10/06/17
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kink-friendly drunken faggotry therapy
  10/06/17
twist: it is
Low-t Contagious University
  10/06/17
Communicate only as needed to effectuate his gassing
obsidian violent institution
  10/06/17
text i just received: "It's been about 20 days sinc...
Thirsty Library
  10/06/17
Do you have a job?
ebony magical set
  10/06/17
yup
Thirsty Library
  10/06/17
Just explain to him that he shouldn't expect you to answer e...
ebony magical set
  10/06/17
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Underhanded Piazza Son Of Senegal
  10/06/17
I'm not suggesting he cut off contact, just that he tell his...
ebony magical set
  10/06/17
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Underhanded Piazza Son Of Senegal
  10/06/17
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stirring stage cuckold
  10/06/17
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kink-friendly drunken faggotry therapy
  12/16/17
What's he want you to follow up on? Is it some bullshit pol...
ebony magical set
  10/06/17
You need to bluntly tell him to cut out the political shit o...
coral chapel depressive
  10/06/17
JFC https://imgur.com/a/coxM1
Thirsty Library
  10/06/17
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sooty tattoo
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Underhanded Piazza Son Of Senegal
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stirring stage cuckold
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Low-t Contagious University
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kink-friendly drunken faggotry therapy
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kink-friendly drunken faggotry therapy
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/r/raisedbynarcissists/
sooty tattoo
  10/06/17
(alternate timeline wrassler)
Razzle skinny woman
  10/06/17
didn't you just make this same thread regarding your mom las...
Big Flushed Cruise Ship
  10/06/17
no..
Thirsty Library
  10/06/17
be a man and shove your dad. ask him if he wants to bleed fo...
Judgmental apoplectic lay
  10/06/17
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Underhanded Piazza Son Of Senegal
  10/06/17
dad is twice divorced, doesnt talk to any of his ex wives, a...
Thirsty Library
  10/06/17
I cut off all contact with my dad and refused to talk to him...
Pale Hyperactive Trailer Park Foreskin
  10/07/17
what was the issue before
Soul-stirring dull boltzmann
  11/02/17
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Low-t Contagious University
  10/16/17
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Low-t Contagious University
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Low-t Contagious University
  11/07/17
any updates? i want to know if this fag actually broke up wi...
Frozen tank dilemma
  11/07/17
I have similar issues with my dad, poasted about it some mon...
sick ticket booth lettuce
  11/07/17
lol
kink-friendly drunken faggotry therapy
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kink-friendly drunken faggotry therapy
  11/25/17
why did peterman go quotemo
obsidian violent institution
  12/17/17
Cq
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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:21 PM
Author: Thirsty Library



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34381238)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:23 PM
Author: Mentally Impaired Trust Fund Coldplay Fan

explain.

Also, lol @ moniker

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34381250)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:27 PM
Author: Thirsty Library

he's borderline unhinged and a huge loser. knows i dont like HILLARY and constantly sending me stupid, oddly personal, political shit. for example, he told me he was a failure as a father for raising a "trump supporter." constantly overdramatic, telling me what i should/shouldn't do and trying to assert control. he freaks out if i dont respond to his emails/text the day of. also, very much wants to live through me, take over my hobbies and interests and make them his own. he has health issues but wont deal with them. we think he hasn't paid taxes in about a decade

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34381275)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:28 PM
Author: bronze location

Is he a drunk?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34381286)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:30 PM
Author: Thirsty Library

Not at all, very high NPD. When you talk to him he will just take over the conversation and go into ridiculous detail on a subject you have no interest in whatsoever

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34381295)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:31 PM
Author: charismatic ruby school

if you are my IRL brother, text me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34381309)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:32 PM
Author: Thirsty Library

show me a sign

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34381314)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:34 PM
Author: charismatic ruby school



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34381326)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:35 PM
Author: Thirsty Library

nope. havent seen my brother in years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34381331)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:38 PM
Author: Magenta sound barrier

Oh, hey, bro, its me. Long time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34381343)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:33 PM
Author: cordovan curious persian

This would be hilarious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34381323)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:41 PM
Author: sooty tattoo

that sucks. tell him what you expect of your relationship and draw strong boundaries. expect tantrums. if they're intolerable, cut off communication.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34381357)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 1:55 PM
Author: ebony magical set

Sounds a lot like my dad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34381799)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:40 PM
Author: Swashbuckling flickering heaven turdskin

are you jewish

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34381351)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:40 PM
Author: Thirsty Library

no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34381353)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 7:58 PM
Author: Low-t Contagious University



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34944396)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 3:07 PM
Author: Underhanded Piazza Son Of Senegal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34382479)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 3:12 PM
Author: sooty tattoo

he said he's a failure for raising a trump supporter child

he's even self-centered in his insults

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34382535)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 3:14 PM
Author: Underhanded Piazza Son Of Senegal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34382549)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 3:17 PM
Author: sooty tattoo

it's a symptom that you're not recognizing is part of a pattern

also possible that OP is misrepresenting his father, but i'm taking facts as stated

i know where you're coming from. but take that feeling you value and imagine someone else manipulating it recklessly for mere attention. that's narcissism

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34382582)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 3:25 PM
Author: Underhanded Piazza Son Of Senegal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34382655)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 3:30 PM
Author: sooty tattoo

maybe you've never been exposed to or recognized this

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&mc=41&forum_id=2#34381295

imagine someone in your inner circle expecting you to treat them with respect and not treating you with respect in return. if in every conversation you had with them they would literally not listen to what you're saying and direct the conversation wherever they wanted.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34382688)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 4:22 PM
Author: Thirsty Library



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34383137)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 4:24 PM
Author: Underhanded Piazza Son Of Senegal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34383148)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 5:44 PM
Author: sooty tattoo

i don't know what amog or amoging is. they just don't understand that there are other people in the world who also have internal experience. an alpha male theoretically should have emotionally intelligence but pursue his own interests despite others' wishes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34383772)



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Date: December 18th, 2017 4:16 PM
Author: Spectacular yellow nursing home

u couldn't imagine this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34950811)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 7:59 PM
Author: stirring stage cuckold

lol no wonder you're gay

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34384777)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:30 PM
Author: purple bespoke spot degenerate

120

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34381300)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:36 PM
Author: aphrodisiac infuriating organic girlfriend

I came into thread to say don't but after reading your posts i want to kick his ass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34381337)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:52 PM
Author: Flirting Chad Ape



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34381421)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:42 PM
Author: Racy hospital mad-dog skullcap

thought this would be lil petey!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34381366)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:46 PM
Author: kink-friendly drunken faggotry therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34381381)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 7:53 PM
Author: Low-t Contagious University

twist: it is

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34384734)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:47 PM
Author: obsidian violent institution

Communicate only as needed to effectuate his gassing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34381387)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:56 PM
Author: Thirsty Library

text i just received:

"It's been about 20 days since you answered me on this thread, so I must conclude that you have gone incommunicado - for your own reasons, I presume. I'll expect to find out why when we talk again some day."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34381448)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 1:56 PM
Author: ebony magical set

Do you have a job?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34381810)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 2:58 PM
Author: Thirsty Library

yup

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34382354)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 3:09 PM
Author: ebony magical set

Just explain to him that he shouldn't expect you to answer every question he has of you on his timeline. Sometimes people have to take a break and do the other shit in their lives.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34382491)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 3:10 PM
Author: Underhanded Piazza Son Of Senegal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34382509)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 3:13 PM
Author: ebony magical set

I'm not suggesting he cut off contact, just that he tell his dad that I won't respond to every email that day or whatever. Shit, I have to do that with clients that are paying me for my availability all the time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34382545)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 3:09 PM
Author: Underhanded Piazza Son Of Senegal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34382497)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 8:01 PM
Author: stirring stage cuckold



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34384789)



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Date: December 16th, 2017 4:06 PM
Author: kink-friendly drunken faggotry therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34936357)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 3:10 PM
Author: ebony magical set

What's he want you to follow up on? Is it some bullshit political argument or just everyday life shit?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34382505)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 1:58 PM
Author: coral chapel depressive

You need to bluntly tell him to cut out the political shit or you are done talking.

Usually there's some enabling that goes on in these kinds of situations.

And if he doesn't stop, you have to follow through with your word. Doesn't mean never talk again, but you issue the ultimatum and follow through if he refuses to listen.

Eventually he will get the hint and reform, or he won't and you are better off.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34381822)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 2:58 PM
Author: Thirsty Library

JFC

https://imgur.com/a/coxM1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34382356)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 3:03 PM
Author: sooty tattoo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34382419)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 3:11 PM
Author: Underhanded Piazza Son Of Senegal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34382525)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 8:01 PM
Author: stirring stage cuckold



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34384791)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 8:03 PM
Author: Low-t Contagious University



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34384799)



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Date: December 5th, 2017 10:32 PM
Author: kink-friendly drunken faggotry therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34849191)



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Date: December 7th, 2017 1:10 PM
Author: kink-friendly drunken faggotry therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34861215)



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Date: April 6th, 2018 11:03 PM
Author: kink-friendly drunken faggotry therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#35783431)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 3:04 PM
Author: sooty tattoo

/r/raisedbynarcissists/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34382424)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 3:08 PM
Author: Razzle skinny woman

(alternate timeline wrassler)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34382487)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 3:11 PM
Author: Big Flushed Cruise Ship

didn't you just make this same thread regarding your mom last week?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34382520)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 4:20 PM
Author: Thirsty Library

no..

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34383117)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 4:27 PM
Author: Judgmental apoplectic lay

be a man and shove your dad. ask him if he wants to bleed for hillary.

otherwise, i'm sure at his funeral your mom and siblings will understand you had serious posting to do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34383180)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 4:31 PM
Author: Underhanded Piazza Son Of Senegal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34383213)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 4:31 PM
Author: Thirsty Library

dad is twice divorced, doesnt talk to any of his ex wives, and has rocky relationship with my sibling

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34383222)



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Date: October 7th, 2017 11:20 AM
Author: Pale Hyperactive Trailer Park Foreskin

I cut off all contact with my dad and refused to talk to him unless in the company of a therapist. He didn’t want to lose me so he started going for sessions with my mom and all the issues went away.

My dad and I are closer than ever now and I’m so glad I did what I did. Take a couple months off. Doing so made my dad realize that he was only going to be in my life if he followed some very basic ground rules of decency. It forces him to become a better man.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34387408)



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Date: November 2nd, 2017 4:11 PM
Author: Soul-stirring dull boltzmann

what was the issue before

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34589593)



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Date: October 16th, 2017 2:25 AM
Author: Low-t Contagious University



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34452809)



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Date: November 2nd, 2017 4:10 PM
Author: Low-t Contagious University



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34589585)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 8:06 PM
Author: Low-t Contagious University



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34629683)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 8:09 PM
Author: Frozen tank dilemma

any updates? i want to know if this fag actually broke up with his fag dad, who, probably- molested him. What kind of shit family is so disunited that it disagrees politically?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34629702)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 8:14 PM
Author: sick ticket booth lettuce

I have similar issues with my dad, poasted about it some months ago. Everyone told me to shove it and continue to see him.

Dont listen to xo. If he's making your life miserable, avoid him. Parents become a pest later in life. See him but limit your contact with him. Make excuses for the rest of the time and don't invest yourself in this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34629743)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 9:43 PM
Author: kink-friendly drunken faggotry therapy

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34630583)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 7:09 PM
Author: kink-friendly drunken faggotry therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34770599)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 8:03 PM
Author: obsidian violent institution

why did peterman go quotemo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#34944427)



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Date: April 22nd, 2018 5:58 PM
Author: jade twisted sanctuary puppy

Cq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#35895590)



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Date: December 18th, 2017 4:10 PM
Author: lascivious mint theater elastic band



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Date: December 31st, 2017 12:13 PM
Author: kink-friendly drunken faggotry therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755684&forum_id=2#35049359)



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Date: December 31st, 2017 8:20 PM
Author: lascivious mint theater elastic band



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Date: February 11th, 2018 1:56 AM
Author: kink-friendly drunken faggotry therapy



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 10:03 PM
Author: kink-friendly drunken faggotry therapy



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Date: October 31st, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle nofapping space psychic



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Date: November 7th, 2018 12:45 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle nofapping space psychic



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