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PSA: Do NOT go to Fordham if you want to work at WLRK!!!!!
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 6:15 PM Author: passionate khaki den So I spoke with a partner at WLRK (Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz) today who went to my undergrad to ask him what he thought of Fordham. For those that don't know, WLRK is considered to be the top law firm (only 160 attorneys or so) in the country. Specifically I asked him whether I should go there or retake the LSAT and apply again. I explained how I wanted to go into Big Law. First he explained to me that in his eyes and the eyes of his colleagues Fordham is a tier 2 law school,but that it is near the top of the tier 2. It sounded like to me that he meant Tier 1 was the T14 schools and then Tier 2 were the next 10 or 15 schools in the rankings with Fordham included. This was good to know considering the fact that Fordham is ranked 32 yet he considers it toe and toe with schools in the 15-20 range (show's how great Fordham's rep is in NYC).
Anyways he straight up told me Fordham grad's have absolutely 0% shot at his firm. He obviously said it in a nicer way and explained how that although it's a great law school, there are obviously better ones out there and he mentioned how they mostly recruit from Harvard, Yale, some COlumbia, NYU, etc. He said that if I go to Fordham I should be near the top of my class to have a shot at the other top law firms in NYC. The whole conversation really just drove it home in my mind that I need to work harder than I ever have before. OBviously I knew that before, but I actually felt the urgency and realized just how important the next year is going to be.
We talked for awhile more but I'm too lazy to type it all out. Anyone that has questions related to this can ask me and I can probably either answer them or relay them back to him. |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 6:21 PM Author: excitant set regret is this for real? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7798507) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 6:22 PM Author: Kink-friendly razzmatazz boiling water dood has a gto moniker yet assumes that there are people here who don't know about wachtell.
so no. |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 6:23 PM Author: passionate khaki den Yeah, sorry I left the details out. I will post after dinner. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7798523) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 6:25 PM Author: blathering weed whacker public bath it is true that fordham grads do not get hired by wlrk. but top 10% and you can get the rest of the v10 (the more selective ones will want LR too), and some v20 firms (sidley, shearman) will go below top 1/3. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7798541) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 6:32 PM Author: motley ungodly house giraffe well said.
WLRK only really recruits out of HLS & YLS, maybe CLS. they havent even hired out of NYU in a few yrs.
obsessing over WLRK is stupid. its an awful place to work on top of that. |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 6:35 PM Author: Razzle boltzmann Harvard 6 Yale 5 Columbia 4 NYU 2 Penn 2 Chicago 1 Stanford 1
http://lawfirmaddict.blogspot.com/
Stop making stuff up. |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 6:40 PM Author: motley ungodly house giraffe a) 1 of the NYU is Wachtell's son, Dan Wachtell b) Penn+Chicago+SLS=4? wow, what a good reason to pick a LS based *soley* on where WLRK hires. seriously. c) how does this contradict what i said? 1% of HLS students end up at WLRK. 3% of YLS students end up at WLRK. for all other t14, its a 0.2% chance in any given year. this year the entire rest of the t14 got a grand total of 4.
if anything, although i wasnt 100% correct, this means i'm right in telling this kid to get real. |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 6:46 PM Author: pearly coldplay fan selfie wow you'd think a wachtell son could have gotten into a really GOOD school |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 6:48 PM Author: passionate khaki den or a really good firm! pwn3d! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7798699) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 6:58 PM Author: Razzle boltzmann Half of the summers did not go to H or Y, and yet you claimed that WLRK only really recruits at H, Y and MAYBE Columbia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7798759) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 6:56 PM Author: rusted haunted graveyard puppy you forgot U of Chicago (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7798749) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 8:11 PM Author: Anal spot shitlib They made four offers at UChicago this year; three accepted. So your info is bad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7799182) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 10:12 PM Author: Contagious hideous garrison indirect expression You wish. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7800069) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 7:49 PM Author: Effete multi-colored office "It sounded like to me that he meant Tier 1 was the T14 schools and then Tier 2 were the next 10 or 15 schools in the rankings with Fordham included"
On what basis did you conclude that this is what he meant? Maybe he really thinks it a tier 2 school? |
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Date: March 23rd, 2007 3:04 PM Author: Beta lilac ape candlestick maker LOL. Well. Duh!! (and I go to Fordham).
Maybe this should say: PSA, do not go to any school other Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Columbia, NYU, Penn, and maybe some other ones, if you want a shot at WLRK. |
Date: March 22nd, 2007 6:27 PM Author: black stage potus Why the fuck would you want to work there.
LSAT retaking 0L's should not be sniffing partner's crotches asking how to get a job at that shit hole. |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 6:29 PM Author: motley ungodly house giraffe how is this even controversial? WLRK only interviews at a handful of schools. and they only interview top students.
therefore, its stupid to base your LS decision off of where WLRK recruits. what % of HLS or YLS even have a *shot* at WLRK?
fact is, if you go to fordham LS, you can get v10. key is, go to a good UG (many fordham students have this covered), do LRev and be top 10%. interview well. work a little during school (a managing clerk's office at biglaw is a good gig, though hard to get).
you should base your LS decision off of where STB, CSM, and S&C interview. if you can get into HLS or YLS, good, but insisting you go to them just so you can have a 5% chance at WLRK instead of a 0.5% chance is just stupid. |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 7:46 PM Author: Effete multi-colored office One of the keys to getting a v10 from Fordham is going to a good UG? Going to a good undergrad can only help and at worst not have any effect on one's chances but I was under the impression that undergrad does NOT factor at all for 2l SA jobs. I thought the hierarchy was more like: qualty of LS, grades/rank, Law Review/Other journals, Resume/WE, otehr bs law schoo crap then maybe undergrad. Its more of a factor for 1l hiring, since many times the only grades empployers have are from undergrad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7799021) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 7:51 PM Author: trip nudist locus really tough guy UG is a credential much like LR. If you have really shitty grades, it'll help you a lot. If you already have good grades, its utility decreases (but there's still a tangible benefit).
Of course, grades are still more important, and you'll get an elite job with good grades at a solid law school, but an ivy UG can give you a significant boost at the super-elite firms. |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 7:53 PM Author: motley ungodly house giraffe example: student @ Fordham Law with Ivy UG vs. similarly ranked student at Emory Law w/ TTT UG. Fordham is going to win that battle, esp in NYC.
HTH |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 7:57 PM Author: Effete multi-colored office Could it be that maybe the Fordham grad will win the battle because Fordham places better than Emory in NYC? What I'm asking is say you have two students - Student A went to Ivy then Fordham. Had B+ average. Student B went to 2nd tier then Fordham. Finished a bit higher than that. Who gets an offer if only one can be made? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7799096) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 7:54 PM Author: Effete multi-colored office What happens to the students who went to tier two ug's, Fordham law and do well there? Are they shut out because of their ugrad? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7799079) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 7:57 PM Author: trip nudist locus really tough guy No, they'll get elite jobs, just as they would if they had great LS grades and no LR.
Grades are dispositive as to whether you'll get an elite firm job. The other factors (like LR or UG) tend to determine which particular firm you'll work at.
It's also worth noting, though, that this assumes equal personalities. A good personality is worth a good UG several times over.
EDIT: TESTING 123 TESTING 123 |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 6:32 PM Author: pearly coldplay fan selfie unless you were a jewish nyu student, why would you want to interview there? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7798589) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 6:32 PM Author: motley ungodly house giraffe they dont even hire out of NYU anymore. i mean, once in a blue moon sure. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7798595) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 6:35 PM Author: pearly coldplay fan selfie funny if neither w, l, r, or k could get hired by wlrk today. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7798621) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 6:43 PM Author: motley ungodly house giraffe they apparently took 2 this yr.
however, one of them is W's son Dan (Princeton '02, NYU Law'07)
before this yr, i dont think they had hired out of NYU in a number of years. i could be wrong, but thats the word within v10 circles and i tend to believe it |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 7:34 PM Author: cheese-eating cracking fanboi hall your first claim is correct. the other two have multiple errors.
weren't you retiring, you worthless sack of balls? |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 8:36 PM Author: hateful sooty gunner You are wrong about them hiring at NYU. They have had issues with retaining NYU people who they give offers to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7799361) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 8:37 PM Author: floppy indigo toilet seat lack of glory holes in their firm's bathrooms? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7799369) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 9:22 PM Author: hateful sooty gunner I have no idea. I know one guy who decided to go to a very prestigious DC firm instead. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7799693) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 6:33 PM Author: excitant set regret everyone on this board already knew this and the other v10s will take ttts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7798603) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 6:37 PM Author: french boyish water buffalo not so subtle Fordhma trolling (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7798632) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 6:39 PM Author: passionate khaki den ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7798649) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 6:53 PM Author: rusted haunted graveyard puppy There's a partner at WLRK named Jeanmarie O'Brien. she went to fordham and graduated in 93 or 94. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7798731) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 6:56 PM Author: passionate khaki den she also has 4 tits and 3 vaginas. that's practically the equivalent of editor of the yale law journal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7798746) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 6:57 PM Author: rusted haunted graveyard puppy according to her photo on martindale.com, shes not THAT bad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7798752) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 7:35 PM Author: cheese-eating cracking fanboi hall are you kidding? 4 tits and 3 vags sounds GREAT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7798935) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 7:50 PM Author: obsidian market death wish this is bullshit. I don't know a single person at fordham who doesn't have biglaw. in fact, I can't think of anyone that's working outside the v10. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7799052) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 8:07 PM Author: passionate khaki den titcr. *hops aboard fordham biglaw train*
Next stop, Thacher Profit Wood! CHOO CHOO! |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 9:04 PM Author: motley ungodly house giraffe PSA: TPW pays the same as 90% of BigLaw firms. Which is to say, you'd be doing fine if you ended up there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7799584) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 9:10 PM Author: floppy indigo toilet seat WOrld FInancial CEnter is SWeet.
HOpe CADwalader ppls don't BEat me up! LOLERZ164FORDHAMPWN3D. |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 8:50 PM Author: abusive property famous landscape painting Well, I guess it's onto plan B now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7799453) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 8:57 PM Author: floppy indigo toilet seat sry dood, i think your better option is to retake, get a 179-180, and go to yale. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7799518) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 8:59 PM Author: abusive property famous landscape painting ty for telling me this AFTER i sent in my seat deposit! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7799538) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 9:08 PM Author: floppy indigo toilet seat OH NOES! well, gun for top 10% and you might just end up at S&C. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7799608) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 9:10 PM Author: Vigorous sienna casino party of the first part Don't let a few hundred bucks sway you. Go to Yale, or at least Harvard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7799625) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 9:10 PM Author: infuriating codepig address OH FUCKING REALLY? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7799622) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 9:10 PM Author: floppy indigo toilet seat srsly dood. stop flaiming. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7799626) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 9:16 PM Author: infuriating codepig address What? You actually thought a Fordham grad had a chance at WLRK? Why don't you go search their attorney profiles and see how many Fordham grads they hired. OP's post is the stupidest information I've ever read. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7799656) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 9:27 PM Author: floppy indigo toilet seat dood a brooklyn grad got hired in '04. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7799723) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 9:29 PM Author: infuriating codepig address Wow! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7799734) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 9:12 PM Author: Orange yarmulke WLRK is the only law firm that isn't pwned by banking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7799634) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 9:15 PM Author: floppy indigo toilet seat RAINBANKING PWNS CRAVATH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7799646) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 9:32 PM Author: Orange yarmulke regular banking pwns Cravath (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7799746) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 9:39 PM Author: copper piazza corn cake Being a bank telling owns cravath. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7799786) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 9:32 PM Author: motley ungodly house giraffe http://www.wlrk.com/Page.cfm?Thread=Attorneys&SubThread=Search&Criteria=Yes&Name=Yes&FirstName=&LastName=&Position=&DeptID=&UndergradSchoolID=&LawSchoolID=126&LawGradYear= (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7799745) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 10:03 PM Author: pearly coldplay fan selfie proof that a vagina trumps a ttt ls. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7799981) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 10:09 PM Author: Contagious hideous garrison indirect expression Are you retarded? One of those people has worked for 25 years to make her way to become an associate. You could have made partner at any firm 3 times over by then.
The other person clerked on the second circuit COA, and has been working for like 10 years.
This doesn't show anything.
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 9:32 PM Author: Jet Church Marketing Idea WLRK took a howard grad last year i think. from what i understand, the kid said he didn't leave the office for 3 straight days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7799747) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 9:37 PM Author: motley ungodly house giraffe http://www.wlrk.com/Page.cfm/Thread/Attorneys/SubThread/Search/Name/Gordon%2C%20Paula%20N%2E?CFID=1093633&CFTOKEN=32288892
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 9:37 PM Author: Bearded Racy Sex Offender Temple a little bit of history repeating itself (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7799774) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2007 9:58 PM Author: Jet Church Marketing Idea ???? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=599988&forum_id=2#7799929) |