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Date: July 31st, 2012 11:05 PM Author: Primrose goyim
Well THAT is obnoxious.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21228318)
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Date: July 31st, 2012 11:12 PM Author: bearded roast beef
boyfriends? i dont think they have an obligation to tell. you don't owe a bf/gf all of the personal information about your past. your bf/gf doesn't have to know whether you used to be n alcoholic, whether you served a prison sentence, whatever.
husband? they definitely deserve to know. they're fusing their life with yours.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21228424) |
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Date: July 31st, 2012 11:13 PM Author: Pea-brained rehab
he absolutely has a right to know. shit's gross.
also
(alcoholic)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21228438) |
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Date: July 31st, 2012 11:50 PM Author: bearded roast beef
how many of the people responding to me have much experience dating?
like, seriously?
no one is going to start telling you all of their deep life secrets until youre pretty close to marriage
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21228956) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 1:35 AM Author: bearded roast beef
not unless youre serious
why does every man you casually date need to know this?
many men become violent upon learning such information. also, they might decide to tell other people. no transsexual would be able to successfully live as a woman if she told every guy she dated that she used to be male.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21229925)
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Date: August 1st, 2012 1:36 AM Author: Marvelous center generalized bond
lots of guys would be uncomfortable having sex with this sort of woman. it's ridiculous to pretend that we should all think it's nbd.
"many men become violent upon learning such information."
lol, so just never say anything and keep pushing it off?
"no transsexual would be able to successfully live as a woman if she told every guy she dated that she used to be male."
there are all sorts of people out there, many of whom would think it's nbd.
it's rather twisted logic to think that every man should just go along with this as if it's nbd when, as a dood, i can tell you that this is something that pretty much any sane man would want to know about. poasters seem to agree. perhaps you should just accept that this is a big deal that men would like to know about.
also, when would be the right moment to tell someone if you're in this sort of relationship? you can't put it off forever.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21229937)
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Date: August 1st, 2012 2:16 AM Author: bearded roast beef
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lots of guys would be uncomfortable having sex with this sort of woman. it's ridiculous to pretend that we should all think it's nbd. "
lots of things make people uncomfortable. as a person, you primarily need to protect yourself. of course, you shouldn't harm other people or put others in danger to do so. but how exactly is a guy harmed by having sex with a woman who used to be a man? perhaps you have had sex with a woman who was transgendered - so what? are you harmed at all?
"many men become violent upon learning such information."
'lol, so just never say anything and keep pushing it off?'
that you laugh at this shows you don't understand how serious this is. it's not funny for a transgendered woman to tell a man that she used to be physically male and have him punch her in the face or even kill her. transgendered people live really difficult lives and i dont fault them for trying to make things easier.
"no transsexual would be able to successfully live as a woman if she told every guy she dated that she used to be male."
'there are all sorts of people out there, many of whom would think it's nbd.'
but many would think it's a big deal. i think it's the individuals decision as to whether or not to "come out." if she tells lots of guys it eventually WILL get around. i don't think the transgendered woman in question should have to move or switch jobs every time she goes on a date with a guy,tells him and he gets pissed off (maybe he's not even pissed off - people have big mouths) and tells a bunch of people.
"it's rather twisted logic to think that every man should just go along with this as if it's nbd "
? what are you talking about? the guy won't know one way or another.
"poasters seem to agree. perhaps you should just accept that this is a big deal that men would like to know about. "
i think you're misunderstanding me. i never said it isn't a big deal. i said that transgendered people are under no obligation to tell people who they aren't in serious relationships with.
"also, when would be the right moment to tell someone if you're in this sort of relationship? you can't put it off forever."
when you become serious. when it's time to discuss marriage and kids. look at is this way - most women don't immediately tell men that they can't have children. people don't immediately tell dates that they used to be alcoholics. or that they were raped. or abused by parents as kids. that they have a gambling problem. that they used to work as a prostitute. or whatever. but when you're discussing spending the rest of your life with this person you owe it to them to let them know who you really are. a "boyfriend?" please. boyfriends and girlriends come and go.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21230221) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 10:54 AM Author: Charismatic pervert area
"but how exactly is a guy harmed by having sex with a woman who used to be a man?"
in all kinds of ways. socially, for one. emotionally, for another. not saying it's 'right', but it is.
"that you laugh at this shows you don't understand how serious this is. it's not funny for a transgendered woman to tell a man that she used to be physically male and have him punch her in the face or even kill her. transgendered people live really difficult lives and i dont fault them for trying to make things easier."
perhaps one way to head off this kind of reaction is to mention it up front before he's had his dick inside of the hole where her dick used to be.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21231320) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 11:13 AM Author: Charismatic pervert area
I guess the anonymity of large cities, where trannies are more likely to reside, adds to this.
I guess I'm more concerned about the following scenario: if you fuck a man as a tranny without telling him you're a tranny, you've done him dirty. If you never see him again, few consequences (unless he finds out otherwise, as he might). If it does blossom into something, however, then he'll eventually know.
I think the whatever % chance of it developing into something likely warrants early disclosure.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21231456) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 11:19 AM Author: overrated associate forum
Date: August 1st, 2012 11:10 AM
Author: Single Black Female Addicted to Retail(we need to talk about me having sex with lots of black men)
how do you know that it eventually will? Especially if you live in a big city. I dated a man who had two children that he was hiding from me for almost a year. I would NEVER have found out if I hadn't happened to befriend someone who knew an ex-gf of his. I'm sure all of us have dated someone who was hiding something from us that we never found out about.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21231504)
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Date: August 1st, 2012 12:50 PM Author: chestnut brunch
Until the relationship gets serious, right? Or until a mutual acquaintance turns up, right?
You have less control over that, I think, than over, say, wearing a condom every time you have sex.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21232536)
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Date: August 1st, 2012 12:54 PM Author: Up-to-no-good native
No. In both cases the most you can do is take precautions to stop them finding out you are a tranny or catching the STD. Yet despite taking the best precautions they may still find out (e.g. someone tells them you are a tranny) or may catch the disease (e.g. condom fails).
In both cases you are choosing to subject someone to a risk of serious harm that they may not choose to take if they were fully informed. That is immoral.
The difference that is driving your attempt to distinguish the two situations is that with the tranny you sympathize with the tranny while with STD carriers you sympathize with their sexual partner.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21232554)
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Date: August 1st, 2012 2:44 AM Author: bearded roast beef
what about the risks of violence and "outting" that i mentioned?
listen... me personally, i would prob tell people up front because im really a fraid of rejection and i wouldnt want to get attachedto the guy and have him reject me later.
but this isn't a simple situation.. people need to protect themselves
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21230351) |
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Date: April 25th, 2013 10:57 PM Author: Fear-inspiring Pale Hominid Goal In Life
I can't even believe that this is a fucking issue.
Violence: Be honest up front, date people that have expressed that they are OK with dating transsexuals, don't date anyone, or reveal the status in a public place or via remote means.
Outting: Fucking deal with it, don't date people, or date people that are OK with it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#23078725) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 11:17 AM Author: Grizzly karate
So having problems and being different justifies lies and deceit? It's OK to lie about something like this if it makes you feel better about yourself and gets you what you want?
That's an amoral position completely lacking in any empathy for the victims of such a deceit. You're letting your sympathy for people who are in the admittedly unfortunate situation of being in a gender crisis outweigh basic moral concepts.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21231495)
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Date: August 1st, 2012 11:27 AM Author: bearded roast beef
you dont have to
im a great friend and people like me a lot
(waits for to be fair to mention my fight with rowan from two years ago)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21231570) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 11:20 AM Author: Charismatic pervert area
one of my best friends in college was a transgendered male-to-female who called himself 'Mandy'. when his ARE COUNTRY parents beat him and kicked him out of the house for owning a dress and for taking his grandmother's estrogen, he relied on me (and other guys in the dorm) for food money, companionship, etc. i helped him design his girlriffic website, and i would sit and help him through voice coaching VHS tapes designed to make your voice more feminine. we would also play counterstrike and age of empires 2, sit up late at night talking, etc. he was really into tarot cards, so i even learned how to read those because he liked them.
when our friendship ended, it wasn't because of the money he owed me, or his wild mood swings, or anything like that. it was because he creeped me out one night when he mentioned that once he got his surgery, he would be tighter than the girl i was then dating. that was over my freshman year summer, and when i moved dorms sophomore year i stopped hanging out with him. i was actually all set for him to be my roommate that year, too. he was a good guy.
but nah, you're an MFE on everything
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21231510) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 11:26 AM Author: Charismatic pervert area
just saying it cuts across that i have no empathy for those not like me, which was your only (thoughtless and unargued) response to what i had said.
so suppose, instead, that i were a girl and he were a man that i was friends with. we're driving alone in the backwaters of ARE COUNTRY in his 1970s diesel mercedes. it's dark, real country dark. he says to me, putting his hand on my thigh (as happened): "you know, i've got a real big dick. when you leave your boyfriend, maybe i can show it to you. or maybe even before."
if i were a girl, would i be a 'bad friend' if i ended the friendship over 'something trivial' like that?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21231556) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 11:30 AM Author: bearded roast beef
no it really doesnt. you ended a friendship w a troubled person because of a stupid comment
uh, thanks for adding new details to make it sound creepier than it originally did, but thats still not really an analogous situation
regardless, if i "dumped" all of my male friends whenever they said anything sexual to or about me i would have none left lol
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21231593) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 11:33 AM Author: Charismatic pervert area
it's an analogous situation because it's what happened to me, except i'm a guy and he's a 'girl'.
and it wasn't just a stupid comment. he was expressing his attraction to me, whereas before i thought it was platonic. i'm within my rights to end that friendship, no? that he is 'troubled' doesn't matter. i was empathetic, and we were close, or so i thought. then things got weird, and i didn't want to be around him anymore.
"regardless, if i "dumped" all of my male friends whenever they said anything sexual to or about me i would have none left lol"
lol ya i know rite lolololol
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21231612) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 12:48 PM Author: bearded roast beef
answered above
if YOU dont disclose to the guy he wont find out
theres no way you can 100% prevent the transmission of an std!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21232518) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 11:17 AM Author: bearded roast beef
yea, it is
a friend of mine wats to transition and i really feel for him. its such a tough life and there are no easy afflictions.
i really thank god (or whomever) that this is one affliction i wasnt cursed with
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21231494) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 11:40 AM Author: bearded roast beef
lol
whatever point you were trying to make wasnt at all clear to anyone who isnt obsessed with attacking transexual people, as you and anon are
thanks for finally making yourself clear and then trying to pretend that it was all along
call me whatever you want, but really, we all know im not dumb so at least try to be accurate, why dont we?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21231673) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 12:57 PM Author: chestnut brunch
I thought that, at the point the one guy posted "the flame is excellent, taking a line directly from some deranged shitlib commentator," it became apparent that the other poster was flaming you, and had taken a line directly from some deranged shitlib commentator.
But that's just me.
Edit: And, really, it was obvious before then, since the same words had been posted above.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21232579) |
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Date: July 31st, 2012 11:49 PM Author: bearded roast beef
i'm not an alcoholic
how do you manage to find every post i make to respond to it?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21228936)
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Date: August 1st, 2012 11:26 AM Author: bearded roast beef
probably
search for my name
hes always in threads about me, bumping them and shit
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21231561) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 11:25 AM Author: bearded roast beef
lol
it drives people on this board absolutely crazy and requires no effort on my part
why would i abandon such a godsend?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21231546) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 12:55 AM Author: Angry office degenerate
really?
you shouldn't fuck over someone like that. a straight man has the right to know if they're fucking a dude.
i would be livid if it turned out my bf used to be a woman and s/he didn't tell me till we were married.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21229605) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 2:47 AM Author: bearded roast beef
("everyone" = xoxo posters- a sampling of some threads on this board:
nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger
i want to kill myself because i'm 32 and i have never had a girlfriend
why would anyone date a woman who has had sex with a black man?
obama is an ape nigger
a woman with 4 or more sexual partners is an irredeemable slut
LOL im cool being well-liked in real life and hated on xoxo :)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21230365) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 11:37 AM Author: bearded roast beef
im blue smoke
emily valentine is dr troy
i am the one who posted the big tits bikini pic (20,000 views oh yeah!!!!)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21231642) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 11:35 AM Author: bearded roast beef
i love ev so you arent going to start a fight between us as you so obviously want to
i havent heard anyone talk about "popularity" since high school - which makes sense because your only conception of normal social interaction among young people probably comes from teen movies.
that said my views are normal, my tits are notoriously big an awesome and my booty is on fire. but you're right - everyone hates 28 yo women and loves 25 yos. :)
HTH
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21231631) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 12:20 PM Author: Multi-colored slap-happy keepsake machete
To be fair,
"My views are normal"
lol, no
"my tits are notorious big an awesome"
fair
"my booty is on fire"
Then how come you are careful never to post pictures of that? Doubtful.
"everyone hates 28 yo women and loves 25 yos"
Yes, there we go, boil it down to the age difference because that was clearly my entire point here. (Way to leave out the point about how you're an argumentative bitch - men love that trait!)
PS: Sorry my discussion of "popularity" - as opposed to being "well-liked in real life . . . by [most] everyone" - was so juvenile to you. All that "gay sex" I've had has probably stunted my emotional development; I'll try to switch to a more mature and totally different actitivity in the future to facilitate my emotional development, like "engaging in loving anal penetration committed by a member of the same sex."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21232087) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 1:01 PM Author: Multi-colored slap-happy keepsake machete
To be fair,
I think you're "different" in a bunch of annoying ways (inluding the traits that you just listed) and "the same" in your objective loserishness for consistently megaposting on XO over the last decade or so.
Feel free to answer my question http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21230688 and provide some context for your answer... or just conveniently continue to pretend that you don't see it even as you post elsewhere ITT. You know, whatever works.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21232614) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 1:09 PM Author: Multi-colored slap-happy keepsake machete
To be fair,
(Can't imagine an XO thread where BS rants about how wronged she feels if this ever happened)
(Oh wait I totally can)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21232674) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 1:16 PM Author: bearded roast beef
i would rant if a guy who i liked turned me down
does this mean the guy was wrong? no
things arent that simple - you cant please everyone
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21232708) |
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Date: July 31st, 2012 11:54 PM Author: bearded roast beef
sigh
have you ever seen a post-op vagina? those that are done well look very realistic. also men don't really stare at women's vaginas close-up, under fluorescent lighting
most mtf transgendered people get electrolysis. also, taking sex hormones gets rid of a lot of the excess hair.
this just furthers my point... if the woman can "pass" well enough that you dont know the difference despite being intimate with her, and you're just some guy shes dating you really have no right to know.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21229013) |
Date: July 31st, 2012 11:52 PM Author: passionate carnelian preventive strike theatre
Comments 19 to 21 involve shitlibs trying to outlib each other.
If we ever invent time travel, I'm printing this article, traveling back to the turn of the 20th century, and asking proto-shitlibs, "are you happy that this is what your efforts culminated in?"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21228976) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 8:22 AM Author: Umber racy ticket booth multi-billionaire
Definition of a mad as fuck conservative:
*invents time machine.
*travels back in time not to shove a picture of Obama's inauguration in the face of Jefferson Davis.
*not to shove a picture of Albert Einstein in Hitler's face.
No, the most important enemy is 0.0001% of the population and their sad sack significant others.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21230788) |
Date: August 1st, 2012 1:09 AM Author: Hot milky whorehouse
trannies are the only women who have asked to see my cock within five minutes of meeting.
just gotta let it do
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21229700) |
Date: August 1st, 2012 1:38 AM Author: Black hospital indirect expression
Adding money and social benefits into the mix, and lying about one’s ability to provide those things in exchange for sex, brings the issue to another level, since there is coercion involved. Rape by deception? Yeah, I think so. Point being, there are good reasons to have rape by fraud or rape by deception laws on the books, and we shouldn’t write off the whole concept.
http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2010/07/22/on-rape-by-deception/
Amazing doublethink there Jill F.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21229952) |
Date: August 1st, 2012 5:33 AM Author: adventurous rebellious sweet tailpipe
relevant:
1. Looks. Transexuals are obsessed with their beauty. They stay thin and shapely, have implants where it helps, are experts at makeup and tend to have an eye for fashion. Straight men -- and the men who love TSes are straight because they are attracted to femininity -- want looks, and transwomen can deliver.
2. All sex is anal sex. Good luck getting that service from birth women more than a couple times a year.
3. No paternity risk. Pregnancy is not an issue.
4. Less marriage nagging. Many jurisdictions do not recognize man-transwoman marriages.
5. High sex drive. Hormone treatment notwithstanding, she has levels of testosterone that are higher than that of birth women, so she wants more sex.
6. Options. Pre-op or post-op, the choice is yours.
7. Scoring out of your league. You can land a TS who is far better looking than you could score with a birth woman.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1996822&forum_id=2#21110612)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21230667)
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Date: August 1st, 2012 9:37 AM Author: fishy locale
*wanders into thread*
*sees lunatics arguing that being a lunatic who chopped his dick off makes you equivalent to a woman so you dont need to inform potential mates that you are a dood*
*sees bluesmoke discussing the quality of post op trannie vaginas and explaining that they are really well done*
HOLY FUCKING SHIT!
*head explodes*
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21230936) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 11:57 AM Author: bearded roast beef
"Yeah, but seriously BS, transexuals are lunatics who chopped off their dicks."
you are really ignorant on this subject and most medical professionals disagree with you.
before you reply, yes i know, doctors are all hacks and xoxo MFE's with no biological/medical training have all the answers.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21231826) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 12:15 PM Author: bearded roast beef
i dont think you know what aspie means
the point is that the vagina can be physically indistinguishable from natural vaginas.
"Most males think they're fucked in the head, but whatever."
most uneducated men, yes. most male doctors, no.
"they trick men into having sex with them which is incredibly damaging to men."
how are men who do not know they had sex with a tranny damaged? no one has been able to answer this
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21232032) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 12:32 PM Author: Lascivious crackhouse
I do know what aspie means. You are grasping onto specific shit that doesn't matter while ignoring the emotional impact on men, which is far more meaningful in this context.
"the point is that the vagina can be physically indistinguishable from natural vaginas."
Even if 100% true it is also 100% completely irrelevant. Do you really not see that?
"how are men who do not know they had sex with a tranny damaged? no one has been able to answer this"
I hate logic like this. I guess by that reasoning all fraud is fine as long as the defrauded party never finds out. Cheating is fine as long as the person cheated on never finds out as well. I'm sure you'll see why I don't agree with that line of reasoning.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21232273) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 12:39 PM Author: bearded roast beef
"the point is that the vagina can be physically indistinguishable from natural vaginas."
Even if 100% true it is also 100% completely irrelevant. Do you really not see that?
um... are you following the subthread? anon seemed to be questioning this.
"how are men who do not know they had sex with a tranny damaged? no one has been able to answer this"
'I hate logic like this.'
so you can't answer and they aren't "damaged." thanks.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21232381) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 12:46 PM Author: Lascivious crackhouse
Anon is questioning this because it is suspicious but even if we can accept that it is 100% true it wouldn't make the scenario ok. Anon, want to confirm?
"so you can't answer and they aren't "damaged." thanks."
See above and below. If they find out about the fraud they are damaged just like in any other fraud.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21232485) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 12:20 PM Author: Charismatic pervert area
"you are really ignorant on this subject and most medical professionals disagree with you."
Gender dysphoria is recognized as a disorder (GID) in the DSM-IV and ICD-10. Most 'medical professionals' who deal with it at all think of gender confusion, and the behaviors it creates, as literally disordered. So you're just wrong about that.
That said, of course the medical profession needs to get with the times on this issue, like homosexuality, but it's kind of hilarious that you're invoking your nascent doctor cred when not only never having spent a single day in med school, but also doing so flagrantly in the face of easily Google-able information.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21232102) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 12:27 PM Author: bearded roast beef
yes obviously it's a problem. but one that can be fixed by gender reassignment. you realize that you can't just decide you want to be a chick and go have your dick cut off, right? you have to live as a woman under the supervision of a PSYCHIATRIST before any reputable doctor will perform the surgery. this isn't a situation where psychos are just mutilating themselves out of boredom.
my point was that anon is wrong in thinking that they're just lunatics who want to chop off their genitals. this would be as incorrect as calling depressed people lunatics.
i wasn't invoking any doctor cred. im not a doctor and everyone knows im not.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21232186) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 12:38 PM Author: bearded roast beef
no, anon's point was that they're crazy and that allowing them to "chop of their dicks" is crazier, and not an appropriate solution. he's wrong.
what am i "wrong" about?
the medical community's position is that transsexuals have a mismatch between their physical body and their gender identity. obviously people are not supposed to be mismatched! people with XX chromosomes should have vaginas and feel like women and so forth.
the medical supervision is required to make sure that the person's belief that they are a woman is real. because gender reassignment is not a freaking nose job, its something that will permanently alter someone's life.
so...what exactly am i wrong about?
im sure that when i go to medical school i will talk about...medicine. so what?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21232351) |
Date: August 1st, 2012 11:02 AM Author: Charismatic pervert area
BS: can you at least agree that before a single intimate contact happens--before a kiss, before oral sex, before anal sex, before dick cavern sex--the tranny should probably go ahead and say something?
Whether or not you progressively believe that a tranny is a woman, many men--perhaps, even, most men--believe that trannies are men. By not revealing what she used to be, she essentially 'tricks' a guy into what is, in his mind, gay sex. Sex that he never would have consented to otherwise. And sex that, surely, will harm him psychologically.
What's more, the 'protecting yourself' thing is a canard. An attack on a transsexual, if it's going to happen from an intimate partner, is going to happen upon the revelation that she's a transsexual after sexual contact. Less likely beforehand, especially if the news is broken in public.
Don't get me wrong. Men routinely fuck with women in ways as bad or worse than this. But that doesn't make some Crying Game shit okay.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21231372) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 11:54 AM Author: bearded roast beef
no i dont agree with that. i also dont think a guy has a duty to disclose to a woman what his real salary is or where he went to school or whatever - and as you admit, lot of guys lie about things such that women wouldn't sleep with them if they knew the truth.
"What's more, the 'protecting yourself' thing is a canard. An attack on a transsexual, if it's going to happen from an intimate partner, is going to happen upon the revelation that she's a transsexual after sexual contact. Less likely beforehand, especially if the news is broken in public."
? that's why she shouldn't disclose, unless the relationship is serious/marriage-track. hopefully at this point she knows he's not a troglodyte who will beat her up for disclosing.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21231801) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 12:10 PM Author: bearded roast beef
seriously
what a stupid reason to support a party
tmf claims to be libertarian too
yes, libertarians would really support politicians dictating when trannies should "come out" to their boyfriend
after all, the economy, unemployment, medicare and iran/afghanistan have already been taken care of so this is the only thing they have to worry about.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21231965) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 12:17 PM Author: bearded roast beef
"this results in significant psychological harm for men."
can you support this statement?
how are men who unknowingly had sex with trannies psychologically harmed?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21232049) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 12:02 PM Author: bearded roast beef
... you support a political party because of what people choose to do in their personal lives?
yes, TRANSSEXUALS are the pressing issue of our day. definitely what politicians should be worried about.
sigh...americans.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21231883) |
Date: August 1st, 2012 12:05 PM Author: Green Sanctuary Gay Wizard
Blue Smoke,
A tranny is much more likely to be beaten to death by the guy she is dating if she tells the random dude after they fuck rather than before the first date.
There are plenty of dudes who are willing to date trannies, they should seek them out rather than trying to trick some guy and lock him down and hope he doesn't murder you after you are serious.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21231922) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 3:20 PM Author: Lascivious crackhouse
I'm not asking for a legal analysis. I'm asking if you, as a jury member, would accept a temporary insanity defense under fairly generic circumstances. Since you're a concrete guy, I'll supply these basic facts:
- The two met through online dating. The presumed female listed as female.
- They dated for two weeks before having sex. Sex was in the dark.
- Immediately after sex, the guy said "I really like you and could see us going far together."
- Tranny replies "lol, funny you say that because I was a gay guy named Joe 3 months ago."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21233558) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 3:26 PM Author: Lascivious crackhouse
Sure it does. Which is why when you here rape you go "omgomgomg women actually get HURT this way" but you absolutely ignore that this will permanently fuck men up as well.
"this is someone's life. you would let a murderer go free because the victim is a tranny. you are a monster. luckily, any decent lawyer would figure out how repugnant your views are and ding you as a juror immediately."
They would ding most males then.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21233608) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 3:28 PM Author: bearded roast beef
you're talking MURDER
you dont get to kill someone because you're pissed off at them.
if a muslim dood lies to a jewish girl and says he's jewish does she get to flip out and kill him? i'd say religious convictions are more important and sacred to people than "he looks indistinguishable from a woman but he used to look like a man omg"
wtf? i really hope most people agree with ironmonkey and not you
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21233628) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 3:34 PM Author: Lascivious crackhouse
There are certain scenario where we excuse "murder" due to temporary insanity because the situation would lead anyone to be temporarily insane and kill the person. The guy recently who walked in and killed the man molesting his son, for example.
"if a muslim dood lies to a jewish girl and says he's jewish does she get to flip out and kill him? i'd say religious convictions are more important and sacred to people than "he looks indistinguishable from a woman but he used to look like a man omg""
Not nearly as bad as what you're talking about. I can't stand religious Muslims (or religious Jews for that matter) but if I have sex with a girl who lied about this (putting aside the obvious problem), I will be annoyed but not homicidal. This is a totally different scenario. This is more like a girl in 1948 having sex with a guy and after the fact he reveals that he was a concentration camp guard that shoveled her family into an oven and laughed as he raped her little sister shortly beforehand. He then has a hearty chuckle. No one would convict her for that either.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21233677) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 4:00 PM Author: chestnut brunch
Ok, but I still think that is an extreme minority opinion, though.
It would be interesting to know if it is one held by more or less than 1/6 of males, though (such that you would expect there to be one such person on average in every jury).
I think it is a much smaller minority.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21233901) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 3:47 PM Author: bearded roast beef
uh i'm not talking about you. i'm talking about a very religious jewish person who unwittingly has sex with a muslim person.
you claim i can't understand the tranny thing because i'm not a guy, but you're completely unable to put yourself into other people's shoes. most people would agree that the religion thing is a bigger deal.
"This is more like a girl in 1948 having sex with a guy and after the fact he reveals that he was a concentration camp guard that shoveled her family into an oven and laughed as he raped her little sister shortly beforehand. He then has a hearty chuckle."
yeah, the tranny thing is not nearly on that level. you are being crazy about this. you're actually insulting holocaust victims by saying that being fucked and tormented by someone who burned your family alive is the equivalent of having sex with a tranny who is physically indistinguishable from other woman. iron monkey disagrees with me on everything else, but i think you're really sensitive about this topic for reason and his thoughts are more in line with most guys'.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21233788) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 4:10 PM Author: Lascivious crackhouse
"yeah, the tranny thing is not nearly on that level."
Yes, yes it is.
"you're actually insulting holocaust victims"
I'm reasonably sure no one posting or reading here is a holocaust victim since they're all ancient at this point. And let's not have you do a whole thing about how deeply offended you are about my example. That would be silly on several levels.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21233964) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 3:42 PM Author: bearded roast beef
you are really scary
you talk about someone being MURDERED with such flippancy
not a lawyer here but if i were a juror i would only buy a "temporary insanity" plea if someone like walked in on a guy fucking his 5 year-old son in the ass, his son crying, blood and cum streaming down his legs. thats the kind of shit that makes you snap. not "i'm a tranny."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21233746) |
Date: August 1st, 2012 12:08 PM Author: Up-to-no-good native
BS do you actually believe this or is this thread a giant flame?
kudos to you if it's flame
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21231946) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 12:22 PM Author: bearded roast beef
no its not flame
i am really interested in he topic and i feel a lot of sympathy for people who are in this situation. most people in the thread seem to write them off as crazy freaks and don't really give a shit about their well-being, but i dont think of people like that just because they are "different."
that said im a huge softy and everyone i know irl says im too nice and sympathetic, to the point of being absurd.
my friend who im staying with has a chiuhaha who always pees around the house. she tells me to smack it when i see it doing so but i just cant. i dont like causing anything the slightest amount of pain. :( this really pisses her off, because she says the dog needs constant reinforcement. she says if i ever have children i should have one with a man who is super strict and into discipline because i will let my children do whatever the fuck they want to avoid seeing them upset.
basically these people are in a really tough situation and i would want them to avoid more, unnecessary pain. :(
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21232123) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 12:56 PM Author: bearded roast beef
yes, of course
i think people are misunderstanding what im saying. if youre in a serious relationship with a person such that it's reasonable to begin discussing marriage you SHOULD disclose.
i just dont think you have to tell one-night-stands or short-term flings. chances are these people won't be in your life for long anyway.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21232575) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 1:05 PM Author: glittery house
1: I am sorry about your indentured servitude to your brother.
2: Let's be real, this is a false dichotomy. Yes, there is violence against trannies, but is it the norm? I don't have the statistics, but my guess would be no - it's probably 1% of the time.
3: How can you say the harm isn't tangible? It's not physical, but it's still real.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21232647) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 1:14 PM Author: bearded roast beef
for some reason transsexuals interest me a lot and i read a lot about it (i am the same way with HIV, rabies and some other diseases, along with prison rape - i have strange, morbid interests)
transsexuals suffer a lot of violence - both from the tranny-chasers who seek them out and normal guys who find out. earl said that disclosing will prevent the violence, but when do you disclose? the second you begin talking to a guy? even if you disclose before you have sex, a lot of guys will be angry (really, they're worried about what this says about their sexuality) that they even kissed, hugged, danced, held hands with or went on a date with someone who used to be a man, period. some of them are crazy/violent and they snap.
tranny-chasers know the deal, but a lot of them have issues with their sexuality as well and feel guilty for being attracted to trannies. ive read about a lot of girls who were victimized AFTER they had sex with one of these dudes. they feel ashamed and they take it out on the girls. tranny prostitutes especially get killed a lot but thats another story...
if i were a transsexual i would be very, very selective about who i chose to tell. to protect myself emotionally, socially and physically.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21232702) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 1:45 PM Author: chestnut brunch
A: Why should x be illegal?
B: Because people should be safe from X.
How does this not equally apply to deceptive tranny sex?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21232911) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 3:17 PM Author: chestnut brunch
Ok, so can we throw out the bullshit "no harm; no foul" rationale then?
Why is the sleeprape victim suffering "physical assault" and the tranny surprise victim isn't?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21233526)
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Date: August 1st, 2012 3:18 PM Author: bearded roast beef
?
whether she's aware of it or not, someone is putting his penis into her body without her consent.
the tranny surprise guy isn't being assaulted... hes having sex willingly with someone whose identity he's been deceived about.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21233545) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 3:35 PM Author: chestnut brunch
"whether she's aware of it or not, someone is putting his penis into her body without her consent."
And you acknowledged there was no harm under the standard you apply to the trannysurprise scenario, right?
As far as consent goes, why is lack of consent due to inability to consent different from fraudulently induced consent?
Do you think fraudulently induced consent is valid?
Moreover,
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21233691) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 3:44 PM Author: chestnut brunch
So the law applies equally whether it's sex or stroking of hair? Why is one "trauma" and the other isn't?
Are you going back on your prior stance that there's no harm in the sleeprape scenario?
What is the harm? Simply calling something "assault" or "trauma" doesn't answer the question. I could call the trannysurprise "assault" or "trauma" as well.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21233762) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 3:50 PM Author: bearded roast beef
no, theres no harm.
do you see the distinction between there being no harm after the fact, and it being reasonable to try to prevent something?
as you know,im not a lawyer so these are just my personal views btw
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21233812) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 12:52 PM Author: bearded roast beef
you shouldnt lie to your life partner!
is this where people are misunderstanding me?
you should definitely tell someone you're in a serious/marriage track relationship with.
however you dont owe shit to someone you met at a bar or dated for a few weeks.
there are a lot of guys who i've "dated" who don't deserve to know shit about my past.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21232543) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 12:32 PM Author: Angry office degenerate
so the rejection that is felt by these trannies out weighs the embarrassment felt by these men when they find out that they're attracted to a tranny?
It's a shitty situation for both.
That's like if I wanted to date a Jewish man, so I sign up for JDate and never upload my picture or identify myself as black on the site. Let's say I make a connection with some guy and become closer with him through phone calls, IMs etc. Then when it's finally time for us to meet, he finds out I'm black and walks away. He has the RIGHT to do that. I should have been upfront with him so that no time is wasted. Now this guy has feelings for me and now he's conflicted. And I have feelings for him and I was just rejected.
It's a sucky situation for both, so trannies should seek men who are clearly open to it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21232267) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 12:54 PM Author: bearded roast beef
not the same thing
these guys just see trannies as a fetish
it's like how we dont want to date creepy white doods who just want to see what it would be like to have sex with a black girl for once
nahmean?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21232556) |
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Date: August 1st, 2012 1:28 PM Author: bearded roast beef
if its just a casual relationship/fling, doesnt matter. im sure guys do this all the time.
serious relationship? should tell the truth
basically:
girl deserves to know the financial situation of guy she's marrying or considering marryinh
random girl from bar does not
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21232791) |
Date: August 1st, 2012 1:27 PM Author: Frum filthpig university
I agree with Blue Smoke if they limited themselves to dating only openly bisexual men.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21232776)
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Date: August 1st, 2012 4:20 PM Author: adventurous rebellious sweet tailpipe
theory: BS's identity is really centered on being a girl so she has a lot of sympathy for mtf trannies. "what if i, Bluesmoke, were born in an icky boy body; i'd want to get surgery/hormones to look womanly as i do now, and to know the joy of dating/fucking men that i know so well now. i wouldn't want to be rejected up front for being born male, it'd ruin my match.com hustle (all those dinners!)"
i think 1) she forgets how much worse it is to be lied to about biological traits in someone you sex/lurve, as opposed to socioeconomic ones. on the run is the only woman who would feel as dirty and violated having fucked (or let's be honest, even gone on a date with) a construction worker passing for a millionaire, as a man would feel having unknowingly fucked/dated a passing post-op tranny.
2) most straight men have an implicit "no doods, no trannies EVER" sign on their dating profiles. so even going to dinner, holding hands, peck on the cheek, would be a shitty, fraudulent thing to pull over on someone. even a coffee date would be wasting a (busy, mortal) person's precious free time. (the other straight men would still be annoyed at being lied to and fooled by a tranny; when i'm hankering a tranny, pre- or post-op, i'll go to a site for that specifically)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21234018) |
Date: August 2nd, 2012 12:29 AM Author: Motley Stage Knife
Seems relevant:
Him “I bet you’ve already slept with a man.”
Tucker “Alright, come on man–I invented Tucker Max Drunk, but not even Tucker Max Drunk makes you switch teams.”
Him “How many women have you been with?”
Tucker “I don’t know, about [number].”
Him “Oh yeah, I bet you’ve fucked a man.”
Tucker [Getting obviously frustrated] “How??”
Him “I have three words for you: Post Op Transsexual.”
It took three seconds for the full meaning and significance of that statement to filter through my drunken brain. Then came the first stage of loss: Denial.
Tucker “What? Get the fuck out of here. I’ve never fucked one of those.”
Him “You wouldn’t know.”
Tucker “Man, give me some credit.”
Him “Have you ever slept with a woman who told you she couldn’t naturally lubricate, that she had to use KY?”
Oh no.
Tucker “Well…yeah…two, actually.”
Him “Uh-huh.”
Tucker “No. No way. Stacey was one, I went to college with her, she was definitely a woman. Everything about her was woman. And she was like 17 when we fucked. You can’t be post-op that young.”
Him “Probably not. What about the other one?”
Please no…
Tucker “Uhhh, I met her in Miami…”
Him “What did she do?”
Tucker “She was a stripper.”
Him “Did she have fake tits?”
Tucker “Yes.”
This isn’t happening. He is fucking with me.
Tucker “No, man, she was not a fucking man. She didn’t have an Adams apple.”
Him “That is a two hour outpatient surgery. Easily done. Cheap too.”
Tucker “But it was…she had a pussy. IT FELT LIKE A PUSSY.”
Him “Surgery is amazing these days. She probably even had a clit.”
WHAT THE FUCK??
Tucker “But she was soft. Her skin I mean. She felt like a girl.”
Him “You’re smart. You know what large amounts of estrogen do to the male body, don’t you?”
Tucker “But what about her voice? She didn’t sound like those absurd trannies on Springer.”
Him “Estrogen. And maybe even vocal chord surgery. It would make sense if she has a lucrative stripping or escorting gig to protect.”
I just stood there, too shocked to move, trying to recall every detail about her to refute his argument.
Tucker “Wait, wait, wait…”
Him “She gave great head, didn’t she?”
Tucker “She was a stripper! They give head for a living!”
THIS CANNOT BE HAPPENING.
Him “Was she tall? Taller than you?”
Tucker “Yeah, but I’ve dated lots of girls who were taller than me.”
Him “But I bet none of them had hands as big as hers.”
I AM GOING TO VOMIT.
Him “Did you have anal sex with her?”
Tucker “Yeah.”
Him “You ever had anal sex with other girls?”
Tucker “Yeah.”
Him “Felt a little different with her, didn’t it?”
Oh dear merciful Jesus.
He was right. I distinctly remember that.
Tucker “FUCK THIS!! NO FUCKING WAY THAT I FUCKED A MAN!!”
Him “I think you did.”
Tucker “SHUT UP SHUT UP–I CAN’T BE HEARING THIS!!!”
Him “Don’t feel bad, this happens to lots of guys. You’d be shocked.”
Tucker “OH MOTHERFUCK!! NO WAY. THIS IS NOT HAPPENING I AM NOT HAVING THIS CONVERSATION!! WHAT IN DEAR GOD IS HAPPENING??? I DID NOT FUCK A FAKE WOMAN!”
I was in SHOCK. I could not sleep or function for the next two days, as I went over every detail I could remember about this “girl.” I am still undecided about her. Yes, he made good points, but everything about her I recall as being feminine. The way she smelled, her touch, her appearance, everything. And it was a nice strip club where I met her, Rachel’s in West Palm Beach. Don’t they check for these things?
He went on to explain that some post-op transsexuals will go to the bathroom before sex, and put the KY in without even telling the guy. Others don’t even have fake breasts, because the elevated estrogen levels can give them B cups. He said she might not have been the only one. My brain was completely fried after that conversation. I still don’t know what to think.
Gentlemen, all I can say is don’t spend too much time cataloging your ex-hook-ups because it will drive you nuts. Just pretend you never read this and move on. You wish you had heeded that warning now, don’t you?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2010840&forum_id=2#21238117) |
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