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Date: May 2nd, 2013 10:21 AM Author: Harsh Box Office Main People Not sure if this board still dispenses advice re law school. My brother-in-law (wife's brother) wants to quit his job and go to law school. He's married with 4 kids. He's in his early 30's. He works for a large insurance or reinsurance company as a some sort of analyst. My wife and his wife has asked me to talk to him and try to convince him not to go. He's already bombed the LSAT 4 times years ago but from what I understand the last of his scores are abotu to be erased from his record. What would xoxo say to this dude? thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23119882) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 10:22 AM Author: at-the-ready light hell should be sent to jail for going to LS with 4 kids. absolutely not unless he can get it paid for, a guaranteed job etc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23119885) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 10:26 AM Author: Harsh Box Office Main People It's not getting paid by his employer. He wants to quit his full time job to go to law school and judging from his past LSAT scores, he'd probably end up at a New York law-type school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23119898) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 10:48 AM Author: at-the-ready light hell schedule a non-confrontational intervention (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23119990) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:20 AM Author: Provocative death wish Define "New York law-type school." New York has law schools of a very wide range of quality (from NYU/CLS in the top six to CUNY Law, which is completely unranked IIRC), so that doesn't narrow it down much.
Basically, it's not worth it unless he gets a scholly to a T14. Even if he gets into a top school, he'll leave with $250K in debt without a scholly unless he works during school and does a part-time program. Four kids is a lot of mouths to feed. |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:22 AM Author: flickering floppy depressive bro. NYLS is CLEARLY what he meant. get on the ball. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23120161) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:23 AM Author: Harsh Box Office Main People I literally meant New York Law School, NOT NYU, but he can just as easily end up at a school like Touro, CUNY Law, Hofstra etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23120163) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:24 AM Author: Provocative death wish I say forget it then. I say that confidently. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23120171) |
Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:21 AM Author: mahogany massive chapel If he already bombed the LSAT 4 times he absolutely should not try again. If he can't get in somewhere halfway decent after 4 lsat tries he should give up and /self (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23120158) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:26 AM Author: sienna thriller stage party of the first part What's his gpa? With a good LSAT and a good gpa he's in at a good school with money. Grind it out for a year, and he can get a decent job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23120178) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:27 AM Author: Harsh Box Office Main People His g.p.a can't be more then a 3.0, if that. He has one cancel, a 148, 150 and 153 but that's getting erased from his LSAC record in June. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23120187) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:27 AM Author: Diverse avocado therapy business firm NO SHIT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23120189) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:27 AM Author: Diverse avocado therapy business firm Make him read law school transparency, law school numbers, the SullCrom bag thread, the article about working at Latham in the boom times, and xo in general.
At least he'll know what he's getting into in the best case scenario. |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:28 AM Author: Harsh Box Office Main People Where can I find the Latham article? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23120192) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:38 AM Author: Diverse avocado therapy business firm http://www.infirmation.com/bboard/clubs-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001uDi
This along with the SullCrom post make for some of the most depressing reading I've ever found on this board. Like, soul crushing shit. |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 2:50 PM Author: Harsh Box Office Main People Wow, thanks for that. JFC. Does that shit still go on in Biglaw? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23121180) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 12:15 PM Author: brass soul-stirring really tough guy dopamine DONT. I mean DONT have him read this. He will just see "sky high salary and plush offices" and miss the rest. He will think the author is a pussy that couldn' hack it. But moreover, its bullshit to make him think he eve has a shot at that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23126790) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:29 AM Author: Diverse avocado therapy business firm Also, make him read Piithypike's guide on TLS. If he can't put in three months to study for the LSAT and get a 17x, then man. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23120194) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:29 AM Author: Deep twinkling parlour This the scam bloggers are the best method (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23120197) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 12:08 PM Author: brass soul-stirring really tough guy dopamine LJL at this guy ever having to worry about SullCrom bag thread type stuff coming from a ttt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23126761) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:27 AM Author: medicated pea-brained boiling water senate He would fuck over not only his life, but his wife's life and the lives of his four kids, there is no way he should go to law school.
EDIT: LOL at this fucking flame. |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:34 AM Author: mahogany massive chapel Is he PAYE eligible? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23120217) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 2:50 PM Author: Harsh Box Office Main People What is PAYE eligible? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23121174) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 2:52 PM Author: Lilac Bateful Address divorce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23121197) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 7:11 PM Author: purple zombie-like macaca Unfortunately enough, if this guy goes to LS that will probably be the result. Really wouldn't do it with those numbers (both LSATs and kids). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23122698) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 12:03 PM Author: Harsh Box Office Main People UPDATE: Spoke with brother-in-law last night. Told him flat out that he is likely making a very big mistake. Told him that this mistake can literally tear his family apart and destroy his finances, and all he has to do is run some simple numbers and go online to see what I'm talking about.
He looked at me as if I had two heads. He is in complete denial about the legal job market overall (shitlaw, non-existent mid-law, biglaw) thinks he will have a very good shot at biglaw coming from a tier 3 school, assuming he even gets in to such a school, and doesn't really care or know about the structural shift within biglaw re hiring/layoffs etc.
I'm trying to be a good bro-in-law and have him open his eyes a bit to see what's really going on, but he just refuses to see things realistically. |
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 12:09 PM Author: mahogany massive chapel Some people just have it ingrained in their head that they won't really believe it until it gets beaten into them.
Can you point him to TLS and ask him to poast what he's thinking of doing? The kids there will tear him to shreds.
Also send him to jdunderground and Law School Transparency.
With his numbers how can he even get into a TTT? He has shitty shitty numbers and will have to pay sticker at a TTTT or something |
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 12:39 PM Author: Harsh Box Office Main People Yes, I already pointed him to jdunderground but he says these websites are full of losers who never had a chance at employment to begin with. I kinda just stared right at him, and almost blurted out that he is and will end up in an even worse position.
He's been studying for over two years now for the LSAT and plans to take it in June, which is when LSAC erases his old scores. He's been scoring in the low 160's on practice tests but I guarantee he will buckle under the pressure of test day and bomb it once again.
I guess what really bothers his wife and my wife, his sister, is the fact that he wants to throw away his career at his age in order to get into a uber competitive saturated legal market. He has a very decent job, pays about high 5 or low 6 figures, good benefits, 9 to 5, and the possibility of moving up the corporate ladder (I admit this takes a long time but still it's there and something worth considering) but he is hellbent on making this career change.
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 2:07 PM Author: mahogany massive chapel How is he testing in low 160's now after scoring like 150 4 freaking times?
I bet you he is lying about his scores/and or not really timing properly.
If he actually gets in the 160s he could go part time for cheapish on scholly and work to save money I guess |
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 2:18 PM Author: Harsh Box Office Main People He says he is testing in the low 160's and I would bet he probably isn't timing himself properly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23127411) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 2:27 PM Author: mahogany massive chapel It would seem to fit his MO (i.e., being delusional). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23127454) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 2:29 PM Author: Harsh Box Office Main People absolutely. he is the exact type to take an LSAT, not time himself, score piss poor and then think he can replicate that score on a real exam, with real testing conditions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23127464) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 12:18 PM Author: Rough-skinned knife dingle berry ROFL. Bombing the LSAT 4 times takes this from STUPID MORON level to CLINICALLY INSANE level (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23126804) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 12:41 PM Author: drunken multi-colored mexican old irish cottage Of course insane.
Why not try and convince him to do a PT MBA instead, which could be useful given his analyst position in (re)insurance. |
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 12:44 PM Author: Harsh Box Office Main People He doesn't want to continue in the business field - wants to be a lawyer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23126896) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 1:03 PM Author: drunken multi-colored mexican old irish cottage Well, tell your sister-in-law (for your wife's sake) its either him or the law.
I guess you need to focus on not letting her go down with the ship. |
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 2:03 PM Author: umber piazza reading party shitty flame. no one is really this stubborn and dense
describe his motivations for attending ls and his background in more detail |
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 2:15 PM Author: Harsh Box Office Main People You're obviously free to think it's flame or not - I don't really care whether you do or don't. If you don't believe me, then fine, don't. Not sure what you want me to say.
W/R/T/ to his motivations and background - he's been in reinsurance for quite some time now as some sort of analyst. He says he's been dealing with some contracts and legal issues relating to work for the past 2.5 years and has met some inhouse lawyers, too, and this peaked his interest in becoming a lawyer. I don't know how reinsurance companies work or what analysts do there, or if he's telling me the truth or bs'ing me, but this is what I've been told. I politely suggested to him to get some professional insurance designation like a cpcu or some other crap but he thinks its ttt.
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 2:26 PM Author: Arousing clear kitchen Absolutely not. You are dooming yourself and those children to poverty by choosing law school. Tuition is at its highest and will continue to rise. The median starting salary is $48,000 for a new lawyer and you get to start 9-12 months after graduation. You have to pay for a bar review course that costs 3-5k while you are unemployed and the cannot be employed while you study for the course unless you're ALPHA (it sounds like you aren't). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23127449) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 2:28 PM Author: Harsh Box Office Main People you obviously haven't bothered to read the op, or if you did, you're pretty retarded when it comes to reading comprehension. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23127460) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 2:35 PM Author: Arousing clear kitchen Substitute "you" for whoever is contemplating going to law school. It's still the same faggot situation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23127501) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 2:41 PM Author: Harsh Box Office Main People dude, you're being obnoxious and childish. This really isn't about me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23127527) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 2:45 PM Author: Arousing clear kitchen Flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23127545) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 2:48 PM Author: Harsh Box Office Main People Ok buddy, you got me. I'm flaming you. Happy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2245438&forum_id=2#23127555) |