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V10 SA - pretty sure no offer coming
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:38 PM Author: Misanthropic Gaming Laptop Filthpig Seriously behind everyone else in my class it seems. Can't get assignments done, can't get them done well. Don't know whats being asked of me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869700) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:39 PM Author: salmon disrespectful brunch It will be a blessing in disguise. LOL no. Ur fukd. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869707) |
Date: June 11th, 2012 8:39 PM Author: Dun Whorehouse Prole You sound weak as fuck bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869704) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:39 PM Author: chrome theatre explain. i feel like my work is sps as well (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869705) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:42 PM Author: Misanthropic Gaming Laptop Filthpig from talking to other SA's it seems like every other SA has their shit together and are doing high quality work and even quicker than me. at first i figured everyone was like me, turns out they actually expect passable work product from SAs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869725) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:43 PM Author: chrome theatre where i'm at they don't care as much about quick deadlines. i'm gettin roughly 4 or 5 days per assignment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869733) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:39 PM Author: Hairless Temple jfc it's been like less than a month since SA programs have begun
what the fuck is going on? what kind of work have you been doing? who has been handing the work off to you? |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:41 PM Author: Misanthropic Gaming Laptop Filthpig getting work from associates (1st year to 8th year) who usually get it from the partner. dont get partner contact, but i get told to do shit and i sit there for like 5 hours with my billing timers on just trying to get my bearings straight on what the fuck is going on and get nothing done (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869718) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:42 PM Author: chrome theatre what kind of deadlines do u get on your shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869720) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:43 PM Author: Misanthropic Gaming Laptop Filthpig Few days usually. I figured the assignments I would get would be like your run of the mill, read and proofread shit, but instead its drafting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869731) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:44 PM Author: Hairless Temple drafting what? i highly doubt anyone is giving you shit to draft beyond a short, plug in the blanks template for like a 2 page assignment agreement or side letter or some shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869741) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:46 PM Author: Misanthropic Gaming Laptop Filthpig No templates that are particularly relevant, about a 5 page draft from scratch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869756) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:47 PM Author: Hairless Temple draft of what? this is bordering on flame now or they are just fucking with you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869761) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:48 PM Author: Misanthropic Gaming Laptop Filthpig Don't want to get too specific to out but a 5 page proposal of sorts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869765) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:42 PM Author: Hairless Temple why not ask for clarification if you don't understand after the first hour? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869724) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:43 PM Author: Misanthropic Gaming Laptop Filthpig I do, but its hard as shit trying to get running on topics you don't understand like they expect you to (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869736) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:45 PM Author: Hairless Temple that's the thing, i don't think anyone expects shit of SAs
i expect SA to ask me a ton of questions about stuff I give them because it shows me they're thinking about the assignment |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:46 PM Author: bipolar balding immigrant windowlicker no one expects you to know a goddamn thing. we're amazed if you have your shoes on the right feet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869754) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:43 PM Author: bipolar balding immigrant windowlicker protip: they expect you to take forever and not have a fucking clue. try to do it well, MAKE SURE it is done on time and spelling error / typo free, and ask a lot of questions when you first get the assignment to make sure you really understand what they're looking for (so you don't go spinning you wheels for 3 days answering a question that wasn't asked). oh and be enthusiastic, and try to hang out with some of the people you get work from, even if it's just lunch. if you do all that you'll be fine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869735) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:47 PM Author: Misanthropic Gaming Laptop Filthpig That's what I've been doing but it still feels like I'm just falling way the fuck behind. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869760) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:51 PM Author: bipolar balding immigrant windowlicker it's far more important you do good work and get good reviews of that work than to churn out assignments. none of the shit summers do is important or billable. it's much worse to get a ding on an assignment that you've done than to have done a few less assignments total than your peers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869775) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 10:07 PM Author: Dashing Heaven BINGO. do a few good assignments, you don't need to be working 12 hours/day to do as many assignments as possible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20870445) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:43 PM Author: fishy galvanic goal in life mood has anyone actually said anything to you, or is this all in the inner workings of that genius mind of yours? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869732) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:46 PM Author: Misanthropic Gaming Laptop Filthpig I dunno. Everyone else is just churning and burning assignments as if they've been doing this for years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869752) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:48 PM Author: Sinister House That's just the image SAs like to project. You're probably far from the only one having these struggles.
I had a somewhat similar summer at a much less secure firm and still easily got an offer because people liked me and they saw that I had a good attitude. |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:49 PM Author: bipolar balding immigrant windowlicker it's just like law school. remember the below median kids spending 10+ hours in the library? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869770) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:49 PM Author: bipolar balding immigrant windowlicker OP, some more advice: make sure you get feedback every time you turn an assignment in. plus, you can ask for more work from that same person in the same follow-up email:
"I was just following up on X that I sent over a couple days ago. Is there any additional research that's needed, or anything else I can help out with? Also, I would really appreciate it if you could give me any feedback you have."
if you're not getting any negative feedback, you're fine. |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:51 PM Author: Misanthropic Gaming Laptop Filthpig If I don't ask for feedback and don't get any how would you read that? Also, I just figured negative feedback = instant no offer which is why I'm partly paranoid because everyday I fear it comes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869774) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:55 PM Author: bipolar balding immigrant windowlicker i would read that as people are busy. ask for feedback, don't be a pussy. last thing you want is a surprise during your exit interview. if you're doing something wrong, you definitely want to know now so you can fix it, and address the issue with whoever you did the work for that you did badly on, so they say something in the review like "he had an issue with attention to detail on the first assignment, but recognized his error and showed initiative by following up with me, and the subsequent assignments he completed were done well." and not something like "he had an issue with attention to detail on this assignment, and seemed unenthusiastic about the work overall." (taken from your failure to follow up with an email afterward)
also, there's no such thing as an instant no-offer. |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:50 PM Author: Misanthropic Gaming Laptop Filthpig TBF I think I had a very slow start to the program because I just figured 100% offer rate is 100% offer rate. So I think I started slower in the sense my first assignment took me way longer than it should and I haven't gotten in my groove. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869772) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:52 PM Author: Sinister House This happened to me two summers ago. First assignment was a nightmare and I never completely recovered to the pace of finishing assignments everyone else was on. Just show that your work product is decent and you know how to communicate with superiors. If you do that, you get an offer. Firms know that the summers who are relative slowpokes are going to be a lot more efficient after a few months as a real associate, and no one is expecting much efficiency out of a summer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869784) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:54 PM Author: Misanthropic Gaming Laptop Filthpig Yeah man, fuck, that 100% offer they parade around can be misleading. Only past week or so has it really settled in that you still have to earn the offer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869799) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:58 PM Author: misunderstood dilemma hunting ground lol let me guess - you only took shit-igation classes in law school and you don't understand any of the terms of art used (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869827) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 8:59 PM Author: Misanthropic Gaming Laptop Filthpig opposite actually - im all corp, but the assignments im getting are fucking research and writing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869832) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 9:07 PM Author: misunderstood dilemma hunting ground ouch. Just BS man and don't have any typos or grammar issues. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869877) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 9:10 PM Author: fishy galvanic goal in life mood those are likely throwaway assignments. you're fine. just dont do something offensive like hit on a partner's wife at an event and the firm isn't going to sully their 100% offer rate reputation over a less than rockstar SA (if there even is such a thing). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20869900) |
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Date: June 11th, 2012 10:33 PM Author: Rusted crawly senate Let's say a SA is doing good work substantively, but isn't fitting in well with the summer class-- no actual issues, just he's not becoming BFF with anyone and doesn't know a large portion of the class (in a 100+ class). Possibility of no offer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20870794) |
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Date: June 12th, 2012 11:09 PM Author: Misanthropic Gaming Laptop Filthpig From what I heard from people relating to my concerns, fitting in well is more important than doing good work substantively. I would just try to fit in more - why do you think you aren't fitting in well (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20877515) |
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Date: June 12th, 2012 11:19 PM Author: Puce glittery turdskin range you'll get an offer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20877586) |
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Date: June 12th, 2012 11:20 PM Author: Misanthropic Gaming Laptop Filthpig It seems like at the very least if you work hard, show up, and don't do anything really bad we'll at the very least get a cold offer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20877597) |
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Date: June 12th, 2012 11:23 PM Author: Puce glittery turdskin range you won't get a cold offer, you'll get a normal offer.
just keep doing your assingments. if people can tell you're putting in a good-faith effort you're fine. if you're not even trying, you'll still get an offer but nobody will want to work with you when you get back. the stories that get passed around are about the summers who thumbed their nose at us. biglaw is very passive-aggressive. we'll write you a good review and give you your offer, but we'll never work with you when you get back. |
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Date: June 12th, 2012 11:24 PM Author: Misanthropic Gaming Laptop Filthpig Is this true at all the V10? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20877644) |
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Date: June 12th, 2012 11:26 PM Author: Puce glittery turdskin range i can't speak to culture, but the part about getting the offer is true, yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20877657) |
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Date: June 12th, 2012 11:25 PM Author: sooty indecent alpha state Statistically, it is very unlikely that you will get no-offered. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20877648) |
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Date: June 12th, 2012 11:42 PM Author: Misanthropic Gaming Laptop Filthpig The chances of there being at least 1 no offer/cold offer in a class of 50-100 is pretty high though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1968634&forum_id=2#20877812) |