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Crim bro here. Curious for xo's thoughts on this cold case Rape
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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:07 PM Author: bright demanding spot juggernaut This was back in the mid-90s. Then-18yo girl was at a diner using a payphone at midnight, and a man in a van says he's lost and needs directions to a local business. girl agrees to drive him to the business in separate cars with the man following behind. they're driving there, and man pulls over on the road. she gets out of car to see what's going on and approaches his van. the man pulls her into the van, ties her up, and rapes and sodomizes her.
she reports the rape and swabs are collected. police can't ID the perp, and case goes cold.
many many years later, police start using familial dna to try to crack cold cases. police discover a match between the dna from rape kit and a dead woman whose dna is in a public dna database.
police look into the woman's relatives for potential suspects in the rape, and suspect that the dead woman's son is the perp. police then go to the son's house, find a soda can from his trash can, and test if for DNA. DNA matches the rape kit.
police then arrest and charge the perp. he was in his 40's at the time and is now in his 60's. man had somewhat of a record in his youth, but has led a relatively crime-free life since the rape.
my question for xo: should he be convicted of the rape? should he be locked up for life? |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:09 PM Author: saffron offensive den ceo Yes, he should absolutely be prosecuted for the rape-rape and if convicted locked up for whatever the appropriate sentence is.
You don't get a pass just because DNA technology sucked in the 90's and police weren't as good at investigating sexual assaults as they are today. |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:14 PM Author: bright demanding spot juggernaut fyi, the typical sentence would be way more years than he'll possibly live. you're okay with him never living a day of freedom again? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661335) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:17 PM Author: Vigorous kitchen persian The ideal situation would be him getting anally raped three times and then executed imo. Life imprisonment isn't great but what are you gonna do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661343) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 6:55 PM Author: flickering institution what's the counter arguments here? that if someone escapes justice for long enough and doesn't get caught commiting more crimes they get a pass?
the fact he escaped justice for this long it's points against him, not for. he should have been in jail during the prime of us life.
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Date: May 14th, 2024 7:16 PM Author: bright demanding spot juggernaut main counterarg is that prison is not just punishment and for rehabilitation and protecting the public from dangerous criminals, and if you make him serve say 10-15 years (hardly a light punishment), he's not going to be rape-raping girls in his 80s. not saying i buy that counterarg, but that's the coutnerarg i see. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661854) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:22 PM Author: buff plaza The best response to your counterargument is that deterrence is also a purpose of a prison sentence, in addition to its retributive, rehabilitative, and incapacitative purposes. In a case of rape-rape, the retributive & deterrent effects of a lengthy prison sentence vastly outweigh the rehabilitative & incapacitative effects for a person in his 60s. Weighing those factors comes down to the victim impact statement and facts of the case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662006) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 11:45 PM Author: bright demanding spot juggernaut good poast. you could posit that rape-rapists are more deterred by the possibility of lengthy prison sentences than similarly heinous criminals. child molesters perhaps aren't so deterred since they're wired wrong. murderers are impulsive gangbangers and thugs for the most part and perhaps aren't deterred. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662475) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:00 PM Author: charismatic property Firing squad, and I would gladly volunteer and aim for his dick.
Edit: "rehabilitation" is shitlib flame, main goals are retribution and deterrence. |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:17 PM Author: Vigorous kitchen persian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661342) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:56 PM Author: Costumed ivory pozpig range (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662248) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:21 PM Author: Red razzle-dazzle crackhouse dragon is this a trick question?
His MO sounds like he'd done this before, maybe even killed someone, he had it all planned out, had rape kit in car. do the crime, do the time. |
Date: May 14th, 2024 4:13 PM Author: Laughsome mildly autistic theater stage striped hyena yes of course dumb question (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661334) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:24 PM Author: brindle magical jap Seems like something he probably kept doing but didn't get caught, so law abiding life for 20 years is probably ntcr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661357) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:29 PM Author: bright demanding spot juggernaut perhaps, but if he was a serial rape-rapist, his DNA probably would have come up in more another case, which it didnt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661375) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:24 PM Author: Red razzle-dazzle crackhouse dragon maybe the other rapes werent reported and maybe he killed his victims and buried them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662014) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:34 PM Author: Silver School yeah he should probably be castrated and tortured and then sentenced to life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661391) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:38 PM Author: nubile cruise ship therapy No. Police should be prohibited from using "familial DNA" to track down and charge suspects decades later, and their ability to offer DNA evidence generally should be restricted to extremely narrow circumstances.
It should be a felony for any individual or corporation to maintain a "public DNA database" that includes U.S. citizens in its dataset. |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:39 PM Author: tan nursing home how reliable is it really I'm also skeptical of anything that lets police arrest you decades later w no other evidence |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:55 PM Author: nubile cruise ship therapy The more attenuated and complex the evidence becomes the less likely it is that a jury will fundamentally understand it too. It turns the whole concept of a trial into a farce when the police have a magical Deus ex machina that automatically identifies and locates the "rapist" 30 years later. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661459) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:16 PM Author: tan nursing home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661989) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:24 PM Author: bright demanding spot juggernaut in this case, the familial DNA led to the perp's actual DNA on the soda can. the perp isn't being tried on the basis of familial DNA, but his actual DNA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661542) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 6:57 PM Author: flickering institution it's the most reliable evidence we have. more reliable than multiple eyeball witnesses. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661803) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:15 PM Author: maize adventurous gunner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661988) |
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Date: May 15th, 2024 11:02 AM Author: Mewling Love Of Her Life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47663171) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:19 PM Author: Spruce lodge genital piercing How did they get access to the familial dna? Not like there's probable cause. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661999) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:26 PM Author: maize adventurous gunner a lot of people post their DNA on a site like Gedmatch. i think Gedmatch now prohibits cops from looking at DNA unless the DNA donor opts in. anyway, the cops upload a DNA result from the perp to a site like Gedmatch and, for example, may see a significant match with some woman who is probably a first cousin once removed or a second cousin of the perp.
if the cops can ID the woman they then build out her family tree of all her close relatives. they start eliminating men who were too old or too young to be the perp or who lived far away from the crime.
at that point they may have 1 or 3 or 10 good prospects. cops stake out the trash of the suspect men and look for soda cans or other trash that may have saliva. they test that DNA against the perp's. they may have a perfect match in which case they found the perp. |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 11:49 PM Author: bright demanding spot juggernaut correct. sad that the dead woman's stupid decision to voluntarily make her dna a matter of public record results in her son spending the rest of his life in prison. darwinism for you... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662486) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:25 PM Author: Red razzle-dazzle crackhouse dragon (the rapist) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662015) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:25 PM Author: buff plaza I largely agree with this, but parallel construction is the real problem. Nothing's stopping the NSA from "finding" familial matches on cold-case DNA profiles and calling in an "anonymous tip" to the FBI. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662016) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:32 PM Author: aromatic knife cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662039) |
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Date: May 15th, 2024 11:07 AM Author: Mewling Love Of Her Life Cr they use parallel construction on darkweb drug cases all the time, which is gay as fuck. They used it on Ross Ulbricht's case and barely tried to hide it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47663194) |
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Date: May 15th, 2024 11:17 AM Author: pearly turdskin Ulbricht posted his personal email on a forum in the very early days when he was trying to recruit coders (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47663226) |
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Date: May 15th, 2024 12:13 PM Author: Mewling Love Of Her Life I'm talking about how they found the ip of the silk road servers. The official explanation is officially bullshit
https://krebsonsecurity.com/2014/10/silk-road-lawyers-poke-holes-in-fbis-story/ |
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Date: May 15th, 2024 12:22 PM Author: aromatic knife (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47663544) |
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Date: May 15th, 2024 11:08 AM Author: Emerald Stain There’s plenty of stuff stopping them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47663196) |
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Date: May 15th, 2024 12:21 PM Author: aromatic knife what (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47663542) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:56 PM Author: Costumed ivory pozpig range (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662251) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:54 PM Author: Electric at-the-ready native I don’t trust the state. The woman’s male family member best able to should be allowed to kill the rapist. If no one chooses to, then nothing should happen
Prisons are abhorrent |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 6:34 PM Author: Pink free-loading church finally a sensible moderate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661728) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 6:37 PM Author: disturbing carnelian half-breed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661743) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:08 PM Author: Vigorous kitchen persian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661976) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:00 PM Author: iridescent learning disabled mood nowag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661960) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:28 PM Author: Red razzle-dazzle crackhouse dragon thanks Saheeb. Can the girls female relatives kill the rapist if no males relatives are up for it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662026) |
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Date: May 15th, 2024 9:28 AM Author: Electric at-the-ready native no, the male family members will intuitively know if she was a real victim or she really honestly had it coming.
if her brothers, husband, dad, etc. won't do the killing, that's your verdict right there |
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Date: May 15th, 2024 12:00 AM Author: Trip Masturbator Rigor Fair but not harsh. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662507) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 6:34 PM Author: Magenta Embarrassed To The Bone Becky Filthpig "DNA matching" is such a farce.
They don't match THE ENTIRE 46 chromosomes
alarm bells from the bar are going off about the 4th amendment, though I'm not a litigator |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:14 PM Author: sick church building what do you mean they don't match all 46 chromosomes. I'm a litigator, but not a criminal one.
They don't match them all for family DNA matches, but the story said they got a full hit on the perp's DNA versus the rape kit.
He should get 15-20 years unless there's a reason to doubt that this was rape rape. But given the story and that she had a rape kit processed and had no idea who the dude was before, that seems unlikely. |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:16 PM Author: insane vivacious resort patrolman They'll catch you eventually. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661991) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:43 PM Author: out-of-control office potus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662355) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:29 PM Author: Red razzle-dazzle crackhouse dragon Your going to jail, OP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662030) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:34 PM Author: yapping crusty indian lodge There are good reasons for statutes of limitations to exist in general. Plenty of scholarship on the topic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662045) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 11:51 PM Author: bright demanding spot juggernaut there's also good reasons they don't exist on the most heinous crimes like rape-rape and murder. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662493) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:26 PM Author: Emerald Stain Her male relatives should be arrested, chattelized, and given to the rapist as concubines for the crime of failing to protect their daughter/sister and allowing her to leave the house alone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662322) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:28 PM Author: Flushed Cuckold Did she cum? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662329) |
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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:57 PM Author: Opaque theatre community account I don't see the argument against this. It isn't some drunken mistake or youthful stupidity.
Other than cannabalism this sounds like about as far into psychopathic behavior as you can get.... |
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Date: May 15th, 2024 11:00 AM Author: Mewling Love Of Her Life Absolutely 100% he should convicted and locked up forever. Honestly I'd prefer we just put a bullet in him though. Idgaf what kind of life he's lived in the intervening years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47663167) |