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Crim bro here. Curious for xo's thoughts on this cold case Rape

This was back in the mid-90s. Then-18yo girl was at a diner ...
flirting magenta senate international law enforcement agency
  05/14/24
Yes, he should absolutely be prosecuted for the rape-rape an...
hairraiser idiot
  05/14/24
fyi, the typical sentence would be way more years than he'll...
flirting magenta senate international law enforcement agency
  05/14/24
The ideal situation would be him getting anally raped three ...
crawly wine son of senegal
  05/14/24
what's the counter arguments here? that if someone escapes j...
Wonderful toilet seat
  05/14/24
main counterarg is that prison is not just punishment and fo...
flirting magenta senate international law enforcement agency
  05/14/24
The best response to your counterargument is that deterrence...
Pearly Meetinghouse Feces
  05/14/24
good poast. you could posit that rape-rapists are more deter...
flirting magenta senate international law enforcement agency
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Firing squad, and I would gladly volunteer and aim for his d...
Crusty Telephone Office
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amber area shitlib
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is this a trick question? His MO sounds like he'd done th...
Talented national security agency
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yes of course dumb question
crimson roast beef codepig
  05/14/24
Seems like something he probably kept doing but didn't get c...
titillating confused death wish athletic conference
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perhaps, but if he was a serial rape-rapist, his DNA probabl...
flirting magenta senate international law enforcement agency
  05/14/24
maybe the other rapes werent reported and maybe he killed hi...
Talented national security agency
  05/14/24
yeah he should probably be castrated and tortured and then s...
Provocative useless kitty cat
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No. Police should be prohibited from using "familial DN...
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how reliable is it really I'm also skeptical of anything t...
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The more attenuated and complex the evidence becomes the les...
bistre scourge upon the earth stage
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Razzle-dazzle Swollen Address Organic Girlfriend
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in this case, the familial DNA led to the perp's actual DNA ...
flirting magenta senate international law enforcement agency
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it's the most reliable evidence we have. more reliable than ...
Wonderful toilet seat
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Mischievous trip useless brakes
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How did they get access to the familial dna? Not like there'...
Rough-skinned magical kitty pervert
  05/14/24
a lot of people post their DNA on a site like Gedmatch. i th...
Spruce theater tattoo
  05/14/24
correct. sad that the dead woman's stupid decision to volunt...
flirting magenta senate international law enforcement agency
  05/14/24
(the rapist)
Talented national security agency
  05/14/24
I largely agree with this, but parallel construction is the ...
Pearly Meetinghouse Feces
  05/14/24
cr
Tantric dopamine
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Cr they use parallel construction on darkweb drug cases all ...
Mischievous trip useless brakes
  05/15/24
Ulbricht posted his personal email on a forum in the very ea...
balding excitant market private investor
  05/15/24
I'm talking about how they found the ip of the silk road ser...
Mischievous trip useless brakes
  05/15/24
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Tantric dopamine
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There’s plenty of stuff stopping them
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what
Tantric dopamine
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amber area shitlib
  05/14/24
I don’t trust the state. The woman’s male family...
Cheese-eating Passionate Forum Partner
  05/14/24
finally a sensible moderate
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crawly wine son of senegal
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Contagious degenerate therapy
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thanks Saheeb. Can the girls female relatives kill the rapis...
Talented national security agency
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no, the male family members will intuitively know if she was...
Cheese-eating Passionate Forum Partner
  05/15/24
Fair but not harsh.
Amethyst marvelous skinny woman whorehouse
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"DNA matching" is such a farce. They don't matc...
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what do you mean they don't match all 46 chromosomes. I'm a ...
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They'll catch you eventually.
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Curious Psychic Crackhouse
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Your going to jail, OP
Talented national security agency
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There are good reasons for statutes of limitations to exist ...
racy site
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there's also good reasons they don't exist on the most heino...
flirting magenta senate international law enforcement agency
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Her male relatives should be arrested, chattelized, and give...
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Did she cum?
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I don't see the argument against this. It isn't some drunken...
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Absolutely 100% he should convicted and locked up forever. H...
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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:07 PM
Author: flirting magenta senate international law enforcement agency

This was back in the mid-90s. Then-18yo girl was at a diner using a payphone at midnight, and a man in a van says he's lost and needs directions to a local business. girl agrees to drive him to the business in separate cars with the man following behind. they're driving there, and man pulls over on the road. she gets out of car to see what's going on and approaches his van. the man pulls her into the van, ties her up, and rapes and sodomizes her.

she reports the rape and swabs are collected. police can't ID the perp, and case goes cold.

many many years later, police start using familial dna to try to crack cold cases. police discover a match between the dna from rape kit and a dead woman whose dna is in a public dna database.

police look into the woman's relatives for potential suspects in the rape, and suspect that the dead woman's son is the perp. police then go to the son's house, find a soda can from his trash can, and test if for DNA. DNA matches the rape kit.

police then arrest and charge the perp. he was in his 40's at the time and is now in his 60's. man had somewhat of a record in his youth, but has led a relatively crime-free life since the rape.

my question for xo: should he be convicted of the rape? should he be locked up for life?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661315)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:09 PM
Author: hairraiser idiot

Yes, he should absolutely be prosecuted for the rape-rape and if convicted locked up for whatever the appropriate sentence is.

You don't get a pass just because DNA technology sucked in the 90's and police weren't as good at investigating sexual assaults as they are today.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661324)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:14 PM
Author: flirting magenta senate international law enforcement agency

fyi, the typical sentence would be way more years than he'll possibly live. you're okay with him never living a day of freedom again?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661335)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:17 PM
Author: crawly wine son of senegal

The ideal situation would be him getting anally raped three times and then executed imo. Life imprisonment isn't great but what are you gonna do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661343)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 6:55 PM
Author: Wonderful toilet seat

what's the counter arguments here? that if someone escapes justice for long enough and doesn't get caught commiting more crimes they get a pass?

the fact he escaped justice for this long it's points against him, not for. he should have been in jail during the prime of us life.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661798)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 7:16 PM
Author: flirting magenta senate international law enforcement agency

main counterarg is that prison is not just punishment and for rehabilitation and protecting the public from dangerous criminals, and if you make him serve say 10-15 years (hardly a light punishment), he's not going to be rape-raping girls in his 80s. not saying i buy that counterarg, but that's the coutnerarg i see.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661854)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:22 PM
Author: Pearly Meetinghouse Feces

The best response to your counterargument is that deterrence is also a purpose of a prison sentence, in addition to its retributive, rehabilitative, and incapacitative purposes. In a case of rape-rape, the retributive & deterrent effects of a lengthy prison sentence vastly outweigh the rehabilitative & incapacitative effects for a person in his 60s. Weighing those factors comes down to the victim impact statement and facts of the case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662006)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 11:45 PM
Author: flirting magenta senate international law enforcement agency

good poast. you could posit that rape-rapists are more deterred by the possibility of lengthy prison sentences than similarly heinous criminals. child molesters perhaps aren't so deterred since they're wired wrong. murderers are impulsive gangbangers and thugs for the most part and perhaps aren't deterred.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662475)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:00 PM
Author: Crusty Telephone Office

Firing squad, and I would gladly volunteer and aim for his dick.

Edit: "rehabilitation" is shitlib flame, main goals are retribution and deterrence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662258)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:17 PM
Author: crawly wine son of senegal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661342)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:56 PM
Author: amber area shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662248)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:21 PM
Author: Talented national security agency

is this a trick question?

His MO sounds like he'd done this before, maybe even killed someone, he had it all planned out, had rape kit in car. do the crime, do the time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662002)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:13 PM
Author: crimson roast beef codepig

yes of course dumb question

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661334)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:24 PM
Author: titillating confused death wish athletic conference

Seems like something he probably kept doing but didn't get caught, so law abiding life for 20 years is probably ntcr.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661357)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:29 PM
Author: flirting magenta senate international law enforcement agency

perhaps, but if he was a serial rape-rapist, his DNA probably would have come up in more another case, which it didnt.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661375)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:24 PM
Author: Talented national security agency

maybe the other rapes werent reported and maybe he killed his victims and buried them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662014)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:34 PM
Author: Provocative useless kitty cat

yeah he should probably be castrated and tortured and then sentenced to life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661391)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:38 PM
Author: bistre scourge upon the earth stage

No. Police should be prohibited from using "familial DNA" to track down and charge suspects decades later, and their ability to offer DNA evidence generally should be restricted to extremely narrow circumstances.

It should be a felony for any individual or corporation to maintain a "public DNA database" that includes U.S. citizens in its dataset.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661401)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:39 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Swollen Address Organic Girlfriend

how reliable is it really

I'm also skeptical of anything that lets police arrest you decades later w no other evidence

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661406)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:55 PM
Author: bistre scourge upon the earth stage

The more attenuated and complex the evidence becomes the less likely it is that a jury will fundamentally understand it too. It turns the whole concept of a trial into a farce when the police have a magical Deus ex machina that automatically identifies and locates the "rapist" 30 years later.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661459)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:16 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Swollen Address Organic Girlfriend



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661989)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:24 PM
Author: flirting magenta senate international law enforcement agency

in this case, the familial DNA led to the perp's actual DNA on the soda can. the perp isn't being tried on the basis of familial DNA, but his actual DNA.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661542)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 6:57 PM
Author: Wonderful toilet seat

it's the most reliable evidence we have. more reliable than multiple eyeball witnesses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661803)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:15 PM
Author: Spruce theater tattoo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661988)



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Date: May 15th, 2024 11:02 AM
Author: Mischievous trip useless brakes



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47663171)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:19 PM
Author: Rough-skinned magical kitty pervert

How did they get access to the familial dna? Not like there's probable cause.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661999)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:26 PM
Author: Spruce theater tattoo

a lot of people post their DNA on a site like Gedmatch. i think Gedmatch now prohibits cops from looking at DNA unless the DNA donor opts in. anyway, the cops upload a DNA result from the perp to a site like Gedmatch and, for example, may see a significant match with some woman who is probably a first cousin once removed or a second cousin of the perp.

if the cops can ID the woman they then build out her family tree of all her close relatives. they start eliminating men who were too old or too young to be the perp or who lived far away from the crime.

at that point they may have 1 or 3 or 10 good prospects. cops stake out the trash of the suspect men and look for soda cans or other trash that may have saliva. they test that DNA against the perp's. they may have a perfect match in which case they found the perp.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662022)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 11:49 PM
Author: flirting magenta senate international law enforcement agency

correct. sad that the dead woman's stupid decision to voluntarily make her dna a matter of public record results in her son spending the rest of his life in prison. darwinism for you...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662486)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:25 PM
Author: Talented national security agency

(the rapist)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662015)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:25 PM
Author: Pearly Meetinghouse Feces

I largely agree with this, but parallel construction is the real problem. Nothing's stopping the NSA from "finding" familial matches on cold-case DNA profiles and calling in an "anonymous tip" to the FBI.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662016)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:32 PM
Author: Tantric dopamine

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662039)



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Date: May 15th, 2024 11:07 AM
Author: Mischievous trip useless brakes

Cr they use parallel construction on darkweb drug cases all the time, which is gay as fuck. They used it on Ross Ulbricht's case and barely tried to hide it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47663194)



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Date: May 15th, 2024 11:17 AM
Author: balding excitant market private investor

Ulbricht posted his personal email on a forum in the very early days when he was trying to recruit coders

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47663226)



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Date: May 15th, 2024 12:13 PM
Author: Mischievous trip useless brakes

I'm talking about how they found the ip of the silk road servers. The official explanation is officially bullshit

https://krebsonsecurity.com/2014/10/silk-road-lawyers-poke-holes-in-fbis-story/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47663509)



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Date: May 15th, 2024 12:22 PM
Author: Tantric dopamine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47663544)



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Date: May 15th, 2024 11:08 AM
Author: razzmatazz orchestra pit mood

There’s plenty of stuff stopping them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47663196)



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Date: May 15th, 2024 12:21 PM
Author: Tantric dopamine

what

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47663542)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:56 PM
Author: amber area shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662251)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:54 PM
Author: Cheese-eating Passionate Forum Partner

I don’t trust the state. The woman’s male family member best able to should be allowed to kill the rapist. If no one chooses to, then nothing should happen

Prisons are abhorrent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661454)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 6:34 PM
Author: Nofapping institution

finally a sensible moderate

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661728)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 6:37 PM
Author: hyperventilating medicated background story



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661743)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:08 PM
Author: crawly wine son of senegal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661976)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:00 PM
Author: Contagious degenerate therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661960)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:28 PM
Author: Talented national security agency

thanks Saheeb. Can the girls female relatives kill the rapist if no males relatives are up for it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662026)



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Date: May 15th, 2024 9:28 AM
Author: Cheese-eating Passionate Forum Partner

no, the male family members will intuitively know if she was a real victim or she really honestly had it coming.

if her brothers, husband, dad, etc. won't do the killing, that's your verdict right there

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662919)



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Date: May 15th, 2024 12:00 AM
Author: Amethyst marvelous skinny woman whorehouse

Fair but not harsh.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662507)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 6:34 PM
Author: iridescent buck-toothed dingle berry

"DNA matching" is such a farce.

They don't match THE ENTIRE 46 chromosomes

alarm bells from the bar are going off about the 4th amendment, though I'm not a litigator

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661725)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:14 PM
Author: cracking ebony incel deer antler

what do you mean they don't match all 46 chromosomes. I'm a litigator, but not a criminal one.

They don't match them all for family DNA matches, but the story said they got a full hit on the perp's DNA versus the rape kit.

He should get 15-20 years unless there's a reason to doubt that this was rape rape. But given the story and that she had a rape kit processed and had no idea who the dude was before, that seems unlikely.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661982)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:16 PM
Author: carnelian ticket booth pistol

They'll catch you eventually.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47661991)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:43 PM
Author: Curious Psychic Crackhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662355)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:29 PM
Author: Talented national security agency

Your going to jail, OP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662030)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:34 PM
Author: racy site

There are good reasons for statutes of limitations to exist in general. Plenty of scholarship on the topic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662045)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 11:51 PM
Author: flirting magenta senate international law enforcement agency

there's also good reasons they don't exist on the most heinous crimes like rape-rape and murder.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662493)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:26 PM
Author: razzmatazz orchestra pit mood

Her male relatives should be arrested, chattelized, and given to the rapist as concubines for the crime of failing to protect their daughter/sister and allowing her to leave the house alone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662322)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:28 PM
Author: sapphire wagecucks trailer park

Did she cum?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662329)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:57 PM
Author: Adventurous sound barrier stage

I don't see the argument against this. It isn't some drunken mistake or youthful stupidity.

Other than cannabalism this sounds like about as far into psychopathic behavior as you can get....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47662389)



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Date: May 15th, 2024 11:00 AM
Author: Mischievous trip useless brakes

Absolutely 100% he should convicted and locked up forever. Honestly I'd prefer we just put a bullet in him though. Idgaf what kind of life he's lived in the intervening years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528502&forum_id=2#47663167)