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Michigan has more than 40 unemployed graduates!!!!
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:27 PM Author: Shimmering Tripping Double Fault fuck. i am sitting with 10 people counting everyone we know. public school pwn3d. :-(
how the hell can we claim the % employed at graduation that we do? do we only count respondents or something? we not only overenrolled in 2003, but we brought in TRANSFERS to exacerbate the situation. horrible. HORRIBLE.
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:30 PM Author: irradiated drunken selfie dont finish bottom 3% of ur class then. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5897249) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:35 PM Author: Shimmering Tripping Double Fault when did you win your field's medal? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5897304) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2006 1:16 PM Author: magical judgmental travel guidebook spot Support for my theory that the T14 myth is promoted by Duke, Michigan, Northwestern trolls. Isn't that right "bluedevil". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5900692) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:33 PM Author: Burgundy Excitant Puppy 40 isn't that bad, assuming everyone else got a job they wanted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5897286) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:40 PM Author: Shimmering Tripping Double Fault first off, i am certain we don't have everyone. second, michigan had 95% employed at graduation in the last us news. i'll be interested to see what we claim next year.
the transfer thing is what really pisses people off. if you overenroll, fuck the transfers. |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:42 PM Author: poppy massive dilemma 40 seems like a lot...are you sure?
And i doubt the transfers take away jobs from other mich students.
in an economy as strong as this one, it must be their own fault if htey are unemployed. |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:43 PM Author: Burgundy Excitant Puppy Transfers are generally top 10%, so they're highly sought after. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5897372) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:48 PM Author: poppy massive dilemma yeah, but they'd get teh same jobs no matter where they went to school. and they dont knock down 2ls gpa's/class rank, cuz they aren't part of the 1l class for grade purposes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5897421) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:49 PM Author: Shimmering Tripping Double Fault go to law school, then opine on these sorts of threads. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5897427) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:49 PM Author: poppy massive dilemma i graduated from michigan a year ago (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5897434) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:56 PM Author: Shimmering Tripping Double Fault then i suppose you need more friends. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5897470) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:45 PM Author: Shimmering Tripping Double Fault this is too stupid for me to offer a substantive response.
EDIT: glad you edited, you arrogant fuckwit. i would say it is *very* conservative. |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:49 PM Author: poppy massive dilemma wow dude, calm down. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5897433) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:53 PM Author: Shimmering Tripping Double Fault your comment was that people in this economy who don't have jobs are the ones at fault. if you stood by your comment, why did you edit?
EDIT: you either changed it back, or i am too drunk to read. in either event, i am out, and wish you great happiness in life. |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:56 PM Author: poppy massive dilemma i stand by that comment...i haven't edited that out... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5897474) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 10:00 PM Author: Shimmering Tripping Double Fault well, surely you recognize that's the sort of comment a relentless douchebag would make, no? hell, i know a chick with a 3.4+ without a job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5897517) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 10:03 PM Author: poppy massive dilemma same here. i can't speak for every single unemployed person, but 90% of the pepole who did not get jobs from my class had callbacks and whatnot, but were just horrible at presenting themselves for a corporate law firm job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5897539) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:42 PM Author: bateful wrinkle well that's 40 people who are now 120K in debt without any real means to pay that off in the near future
I doubt everyone else got a job they wanted |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:43 PM Author: Burgundy Excitant Puppy They'll get a job when they settle for less than they expected and/or pass the bar. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5897380) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:46 PM Author: Shimmering Tripping Double Fault credited. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5897405) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:47 PM Author: Black autistic messiness just think how much it sucks to try to get geared up for taking the bar exam when you have no job to look forward to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5897411) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:47 PM Author: bateful wrinkle I imagine they will,
but when they decided to go to law school Michigan and most other school perpetuated the myth that, oh don't worry about it, everyone gets 6 figure jobs here |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:49 PM Author: poppy massive dilemma a biglaw job is not a 'right'. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5897428) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:53 PM Author: bateful wrinkle not saying it is, just that that was what the schools sold us as 1Ls
alot of people put themselves pretty deep in debt based on employment figures that suggested as much |
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Date: June 3rd, 2006 3:04 AM Author: laughsome startling ape chapel such is life. if law schools, and schools generally, told the truth about employment prospects post-graduation, their incoming class sizes would shrink considerably, leading to a complete stoppage of our economy, and even more tragically, time. you'd wake up in 50 years and realize that you were still a tang drinkin', mealy mouthed ape from texas. that ain't something i'm lookin' forward to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5899674) |
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Date: January 11th, 2007 11:43 AM Author: Odious Buck-toothed Plaza Nibblets 175
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:48 PM Author: Vermilion Prole Ladyboy "how the hell can we claim the % employed at graduation that we do?"
We bring in people from Penn. |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:53 PM Author: Ivory Big Meetinghouse Hunting Ground lol.
how's post-ls life? we're about to head to skeepers. |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:55 PM Author: Shimmering Tripping Double Fault clearly. the funny thing is that i am undercutting our estimate a good amount. skeepers tonight, you should come through. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5897466) |
Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:46 PM Author: lemon free-loading mother do you have a job? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5897401) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:46 PM Author: Shimmering Tripping Double Fault si. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5897403) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:46 PM Author: Burgundy Excitant Puppy One you wanted or settled for? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5897407) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:48 PM Author: Shimmering Tripping Double Fault wanted. vault firm in sf. why would that matter? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5897422) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:50 PM Author: Burgundy Excitant Puppy so michigan worked out for you. generally what class rank? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5897437) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2006 1:31 AM Author: Drab electric generalized bond enjoy being lower middle class (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5899063) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:57 PM Author: Burgundy Excitant Puppy Can I ask you a question unbear? Why do you think these 40 are unemployed? In your opinion what is it about them, if anything, that caused them to be unemployed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5897477) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 9:59 PM Author: Garnet Theater Windowlicker This is a good question. Bad OCI? Bad DETROITLAW conditions? Lack of BANKRUPTCYLAW classes? It's actually a festering TTT in decline? This class just didn't interview well? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5897503) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 10:00 PM Author: Shimmering Tripping Double Fault overenrollment + transfers. as i see it, the problem is that employers arrive prepared to hire X amount of michigan students. if students enrolled is Y, students unemployed is Y-X. if Y increases by about 60 (overenrollment + transfers)...
i concede things are probably better now though. |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 10:00 PM Author: Burgundy Excitant Puppy Come on unbear, you can give more insightful analysis than that. You know these people. Speculate as to why they're unemployed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5897514) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 10:01 PM Author: Shimmering Tripping Double Fault going drinking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5897520) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 10:03 PM Author: Burgundy Excitant Puppy They partied all the time? Ahhhh. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5897543) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2006 10:05 PM Author: Ivory Big Meetinghouse Hunting Ground no, more like we're off. time to go live irl!
perhaps back for more insight later. :-) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2006 2:48 AM Author: 180 institution I really dont think this explains the whole situation. Its not like the Michigan degree is less valuable to you guys than it is to those from the years before and after you. Firms still respect the name and generally want to hire Michigan students. Its not like there is a Michigan 2006 grad at every decent firm that has hired Michigan students in the past, or that there is a quota of Michigan students each market can take each year that was too small to accommodate the 2006 class.
I can definitely see how class size hurt your class during 2L OCI in the way you explain (limited interviewers, limitted interview slots, equal universe of firms to get offers from, and 10-15% more students looking for interviews and offers, etc). But as far as the post-OCI sending out of resumes and all that? I just don't see it playing THAT big a role. I've heard stories of multiple people in your year with grades above the median who couldnt find any jobs. That's inexplicable. No Michigan class has ever experienced that and size doesn't explain it.
From our year, I know only 1 person who wanted a firm job and couldnt get one--and there were extenuating circumstances. And by all accounts, the 1L class did amazingly well in 1L firm gig hiring. I also never heard complaints from the '05 grads. Clearly, this is a problem largely isolated to the 2006 class for whatever reason. Is it bad luck? A socially awkward group of people who interview poorly? Too many people focused on one or two major markets, thus failing to spread out and find all the firms looking to hire Michigan grads? Something else? I have no idea. But its more than just raw class size. |
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Date: June 3rd, 2006 2:56 AM Author: poppy massive dilemma i find it particularly odd that OP suggested that, because a person with a 3.4+ couldn't get a job (that would qualify for HONORS), that means taht something is wrong with the school.
i'm sorry, but if you are set to graduate with honors and can't manage to secure an offer, YOU are the problem, and NOT the school. |
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Date: June 3rd, 2006 11:34 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Sandwich TITCR.
too many idiots on this board think that, after the LSAT and acceptance, you never have to impress someone again in your life. that 3.4 bitch should stop resting on her laurels and learn how to fucking interact with human beings. |
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Date: June 3rd, 2006 12:58 PM Author: poppy massive dilemma yeah...god forbid that a student be expected to read the wall street journal for a few weeks before OCI...apparently even that is too much to expect. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5900626) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2006 12:41 PM Author: carmine juggernaut From our year, I know only 1 person who wanted a firm job and couldnt get one--and there were extenuating circumstances
U must not know many people. |
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Date: June 6th, 2006 9:06 PM Author: Shimmering Tripping Double Fault "Its not like the Michigan degree is less valuable to you guys than it is to those from the years before and after you."
- we're discussing OCI from 2004 -- i don't see the relevance of classes in 2003 and 2005 on the situation.
"No Michigan class has ever experienced that and size doesn't explain it."
- how could you possibly know this?
"I have no idea. But its more than just raw class size."
- it seems strange you would simultaneously have no idea what the actual cause of the problem is, and yet be certain my assessment is inadequate.
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Date: June 3rd, 2006 1:35 AM Author: Razzle affirmative action dingle berry Your TTT probably includes bar study as "being employed." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#5899100) |
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Date: January 11th, 2007 11:00 AM Author: bisexual bright son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#7395388) |
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Date: January 11th, 2007 11:04 AM Author: naked crotch brethren there is an oversupply of lawyers period. Also, those that are unemployed are probably unemployed by choice there are tons of shit law jobs they could be doing, but probably dont want to settle for. If they were really desperate they would go be paralegals or something (they could make 60k doing this is biglaw). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#7395409) |
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Date: January 11th, 2007 12:11 PM Author: Deep Piazza Why did you go to law school? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=426900&forum_id=2#7395734) |