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David Foster Wallace on Elizabeth Wurtzel... 180

"One of his best short stories is about Elizabeth Wurtz...
Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat
  01/06/13
ty
Naked garrison digit ratio
  01/06/13
yw brother
Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat
  01/06/13
There were actually friendly IRL IIRC
Floppy Smoky Sanctuary Headpube
  01/06/13
This is true. Franzen introduced them, lol.
alcoholic honey-headed pisswyrm international law enforcement agency
  11/07/15
...
Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat
  03/30/15
Jesus. That is literally unreadable.
Razzle-dazzle Useless Piazza New Version
  03/30/15
...
thirsty library mad cow disease
  03/30/15
and yet if it were poasted on XO it would have 90,000 blank ...
Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat
  03/30/15
LOL, no. MOAR like "tl;dr...DING!fag"
Coral wrinkle meetinghouse
  03/30/15
(xo 2007
Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat
  03/30/15
Are there any really good zings though? I read like 2 pages...
Slap-happy buck-toothed coldplay fan
  03/30/15
Of course there are
Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat
  03/30/15
...could you quote some? I'm not saying you're wrong. I wa...
Slap-happy buck-toothed coldplay fan
  03/30/15
Even the formatting is awful. Dense text, big paragraphs, a...
Slap-happy buck-toothed coldplay fan
  03/30/15
is he a good writer
dashing crackhouse antidepressant drug
  03/30/15
yes, and this is a 180 piece
turquoise mind-boggling national security agency
  03/30/15
last time i tried to read his books they were full of endnot...
dashing crackhouse antidepressant drug
  03/30/15
sorry for your loss
turquoise mind-boggling national security agency
  03/30/15
thank you
dashing crackhouse antidepressant drug
  03/30/15
I am desirous to describe the stimied, and unrequited, curio...
Razzle-dazzle Useless Piazza New Version
  03/30/15
oh yes, such big words in this story. don't hurt your widdle...
turquoise mind-boggling national security agency
  03/30/15
...
Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat
  03/30/15
Its fucking terrible.
Razzle-dazzle Useless Piazza New Version
  03/30/15
well, go back to game of thrones, then, bitch.
turquoise mind-boggling national security agency
  03/30/15
Ladies and gentlemen, the only-slightly-above-average litera...
Lake Indian Lodge
  03/30/15
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shaky theater idea he suggested
  07/12/15
Rate the quality of writing of the OP ITT http://www.xox...
thirsty library mad cow disease
  03/30/15
180
dashing crackhouse antidepressant drug
  03/30/15
ty
thirsty library mad cow disease
  03/30/15
no, ty friend
Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat
  03/30/15
for what?
thirsty library mad cow disease
  03/30/15
for setting up that 180 i guess
Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat
  03/30/15
by the way, i never bought that this was about wurtzel. i al...
turquoise mind-boggling national security agency
  03/30/15
nevermind that it repeatedly uses feminine pronouns and the ...
Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat
  03/30/15
i mean "about" in a fairly broad sense. e.g. if i ...
turquoise mind-boggling national security agency
  03/30/15
2012, actually. and you seem dumb.
Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat
  03/30/15
i really don't. if i seem that way to you, you must be looki...
turquoise mind-boggling national security agency
  03/30/15
i see your point, but DFW was literally famous for pouring h...
Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat
  03/30/15
i mean it's called "the depressed person" and he w...
turquoise mind-boggling national security agency
  03/30/15
except he was depressed for entirely different reasons
Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat
  03/30/15
that's possible, but i find it difficult to believe he didn'...
turquoise mind-boggling national security agency
  03/30/15
...
Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat
  03/30/15
Seems like a typical fgt response to rejection. No wonder th...
Coral wrinkle meetinghouse
  03/30/15
Seems like he would have been awful to be around IRL
bearded chartreuse property electric furnace
  03/30/15
At least he apparently realized it and killed self
Razzle-dazzle Useless Piazza New Version
  03/30/15
yet they call this a selfish act. why
Histrionic pungent temple
  03/30/15
franzen RUSHING to typewriter to crank out "Breakthroug...
turquoise mind-boggling national security agency
  03/30/15
180
Razzle-dazzle Useless Piazza New Version
  03/30/15
...
Razzle-dazzle Useless Piazza New Version
  03/31/15
I find DFW fanboys tend to be the most insufferable type of ...
bearded chartreuse property electric furnace
  03/30/15
i'm certainly no hipster neckbeard toolbag, bro
Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat
  03/30/15
maybe he's thinking of tao lin fanboys or something
turquoise mind-boggling national security agency
  03/30/15
I actually feel the opposite. Not a fan of his writing at al...
cruel-hearted burgundy stain trump supporter
  03/30/15
guess we know who won that one
Jet odious selfie
  03/31/15
I always thought that was his most overrated piece of work. ...
Mint milk box office
  07/12/15
i can't bear his fiction, technically it's good but it's too...
jade trailer park
  07/12/15
I don't for the life of me understand the whole "I like...
Mint milk box office
  07/12/15
I like Martin Amis and Robert Stone so maybe the emotional n...
jade trailer park
  07/12/15
His nonfiction as the same appeal as Adam Sandler slowly los...
Mint milk box office
  07/12/15
ha, that's a pretty good description... but I think it's loo...
jade trailer park
  07/12/15
yeah I liked the one on the Iowa State Fair. I'm just a...
Mint milk box office
  07/12/15
Maybe I'm not. I switched to nonfiction. I like ideas more t...
jade trailer park
  07/12/15
fiction has bigger ideas though Seriously, read "Lyn...
Mint milk box office
  07/12/15
I used to think so, but I feel like the genre's been exhaust...
jade trailer park
  07/12/15
The issue is excessive experimentation unbounded by standard...
Awkward heaven
  07/12/15
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jade trailer park
  07/12/15
DFW's goat work: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/20/sports/p...
Outnumbered Slate Scourge Upon The Earth
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Date: January 6th, 2013 7:20 PM
Author: Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat

"One of his best short stories is about Elizabeth Wurtzel.

After being rejected by the Prozac Nation author, Wallace wrote the 1998 story "The Depressed Person," basing the title character – the most unpleasant person on Earth – on her."

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/six-things-you-didnt-know-about-david-foster-wallace-20120827

Here is the piece itself:

http://harpers.org/wp-content/uploads/HarpersMagazine-1998-01-0059425.pdf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#22380153)



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Date: January 6th, 2013 7:50 PM
Author: Naked garrison digit ratio

ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#22380409)



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Date: January 6th, 2013 7:58 PM
Author: Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat

yw brother

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#22380470)



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Date: January 6th, 2013 8:01 PM
Author: Floppy Smoky Sanctuary Headpube

There were actually friendly IRL IIRC

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#22380489)



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Date: November 7th, 2015 10:12 AM
Author: alcoholic honey-headed pisswyrm international law enforcement agency

This is true. Franzen introduced them, lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#29129865)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 5:47 AM
Author: Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580741)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:05 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Useless Piazza New Version

Jesus. That is literally unreadable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580754)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:13 AM
Author: thirsty library mad cow disease



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580762)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:21 AM
Author: Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat

and yet if it were poasted on XO it would have 90,000 blank bumps and you'd be responsible for half of them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580773)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:29 PM
Author: Coral wrinkle meetinghouse

LOL, no. MOAR like "tl;dr...DING!fag"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581914)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:36 PM
Author: Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat

(xo 2007

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581958)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:32 PM
Author: Slap-happy buck-toothed coldplay fan

Are there any really good zings though? I read like 2 pages before my eyes glazed over, and it just seemed to be a rant about an insecure girl.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581935)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:36 PM
Author: Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat

Of course there are

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581961)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:37 PM
Author: Slap-happy buck-toothed coldplay fan

...could you quote some? I'm not saying you're wrong. I want to see them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581972)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:23 PM
Author: Slap-happy buck-toothed coldplay fan

Even the formatting is awful. Dense text, big paragraphs, and every other line ends with a hyphenated word.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581876)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:11 AM
Author: dashing crackhouse antidepressant drug

is he a good writer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580758)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:11 AM
Author: turquoise mind-boggling national security agency

yes, and this is a 180 piece

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580759)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:18 AM
Author: dashing crackhouse antidepressant drug

last time i tried to read his books they were full of endnotes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580768)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:18 AM
Author: turquoise mind-boggling national security agency

sorry for your loss

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580769)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:22 AM
Author: dashing crackhouse antidepressant drug

thank you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580775)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:20 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Useless Piazza New Version

I am desirous to describe the stimied, and unrequited, curious feelings of affection that once were had by a person resembling something like me. They were ostensibly about a female, albeit a depressed one and it's unclear if her pater familias was even kind to her at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580770)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:22 AM
Author: turquoise mind-boggling national security agency

oh yes, such big words in this story. don't hurt your widdle head, anon. maybe go back to posting about arrow or blacks or whatever until the pain goes away.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580774)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:23 AM
Author: Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580777)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:25 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Useless Piazza New Version

Its fucking terrible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580780)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:25 AM
Author: turquoise mind-boggling national security agency

well, go back to game of thrones, then, bitch.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580781)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:27 PM
Author: Lake Indian Lodge

Ladies and gentlemen, the only-slightly-above-average literary mind!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581896)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:01 AM
Author: shaky theater idea he suggested

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310543)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:12 AM
Author: thirsty library mad cow disease

Rate the quality of writing of the OP ITT

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2842172&mc=9&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580761)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:16 AM
Author: dashing crackhouse antidepressant drug

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580766)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:20 AM
Author: thirsty library mad cow disease

ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580772)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:24 AM
Author: Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat

no, ty friend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580778)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:24 AM
Author: thirsty library mad cow disease

for what?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580779)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:26 AM
Author: Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat

for setting up that 180 i guess

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580783)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:28 AM
Author: turquoise mind-boggling national security agency

by the way, i never bought that this was about wurtzel. i always figured it was mostly about himself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580784)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:32 AM
Author: Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat

nevermind that it repeatedly uses feminine pronouns and the subject of the cartoons in the article look exactly like her. and that a major magazine matter of factly stated it was about her.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580789)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:34 AM
Author: turquoise mind-boggling national security agency

i mean "about" in a fairly broad sense. e.g. if i wrote a story about a paedomorphic female who posted on a racist law board, it could still be "about" me. you know?

and lol at believing rolling stone; it's 2015.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580792)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:36 AM
Author: Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat

2012, actually.

and you seem dumb.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580795)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:41 AM
Author: turquoise mind-boggling national security agency

i really don't. if i seem that way to you, you must be looking at things wrong. i suggest you improve that, friend, and come back to me when you have. i'm sure you'll gain more from talking to me then. shalom.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580809)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:44 AM
Author: Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat

i see your point, but DFW was literally famous for pouring himself into random, banal shit. i don't think an article eviscerating Wurtzel is "about him", at least not to the extent you seem to suggest. she just happens to be where one of his darts landed.

actually, this piece may be more of a prophecy than anything. it could be argued that it is a preemptive response to the 21st century assent of the intolerable, self-absorbed shrew.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580818)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:34 PM
Author: turquoise mind-boggling national security agency

i mean it's called "the depressed person" and he was clinically depressed. that seems like a decent start to an argument that it was first-personal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581947)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:41 PM
Author: Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat

except he was depressed for entirely different reasons

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582001)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:43 PM
Author: turquoise mind-boggling national security agency

that's possible, but i find it difficult to believe he didn't see snatches of himself in the character, or at least wonder if he was similar deep down. in fact, NOT to do so would be incredibly un-self-aware and un-anxious by his standards.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582014)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:20 PM
Author: Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581849)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:22 PM
Author: Coral wrinkle meetinghouse

Seems like a typical fgt response to rejection. No wonder the talentless hack blew himself away.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581864)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:28 PM
Author: bearded chartreuse property electric furnace

Seems like he would have been awful to be around IRL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581909)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:37 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Useless Piazza New Version

At least he apparently realized it and killed self

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581971)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:38 PM
Author: Histrionic pungent temple

yet they call this a selfish act. why

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581977)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:39 PM
Author: turquoise mind-boggling national security agency

franzen RUSHING to typewriter to crank out "Breakthrough: Realized DFW's Suicide was an Act of Grace" at 5wpm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581992)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:52 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Useless Piazza New Version

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582087)



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Date: March 31st, 2015 12:22 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Useless Piazza New Version



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27587886)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:39 PM
Author: bearded chartreuse property electric furnace

I find DFW fanboys tend to be the most insufferable type of hipster neckbeard toolbags.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581985)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:44 PM
Author: Blue stubborn hospital toilet seat

i'm certainly no hipster neckbeard toolbag, bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582027)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:46 PM
Author: turquoise mind-boggling national security agency

maybe he's thinking of tao lin fanboys or something

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582046)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:47 PM
Author: cruel-hearted burgundy stain trump supporter

I actually feel the opposite. Not a fan of his writing at all but I think I'd get along well with him IRL and he seems like a good dude.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582048)



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Date: March 31st, 2015 12:24 PM
Author: Jet odious selfie

guess we know who won that one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27587898)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 12:59 AM
Author: Mint milk box office

I always thought that was his most overrated piece of work.

My favorite of his works is "Lyndon," published in Girl with Curious Hair.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310522)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:00 AM
Author: jade trailer park

i can't bear his fiction, technically it's good but it's too controlled, the nonfiction is so much better in my opinion (which I know I share with "guy in your MFA class" twitter

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310537)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:04 AM
Author: Mint milk box office

I don't for the life of me understand the whole "I like DFW's nonfiction better" camp. Everyone I meet says that and I always think they just can't appreciate good fiction with ambiguity.

I mean his nonfiction is ok I think. I like consider the lobster and tense present.

But Girl with Curious Hair? Come on now. It was fantastic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310570)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:08 AM
Author: jade trailer park

I like Martin Amis and Robert Stone so maybe the emotional nuance of DFW's work is lost ofon me. For me even though his nonfiction is formulaic (it all rises from blips of cognitive dissonance--rage to self-righteousness--to a really bogus epiphany) it's appealing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310609)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:10 AM
Author: Mint milk box office

His nonfiction as the same appeal as Adam Sandler slowly losing his temper at the golf ball that wouldn't go to its home.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310625)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:12 AM
Author: jade trailer park

ha, that's a pretty good description... but I think it's looser and has more feeling because of it. Did you read his EW piece on the Adult Video News awards or the Iowa State Fair? Those are pretty good

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310632)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:16 AM
Author: Mint milk box office

yeah I liked the one on the Iowa State Fair.

I'm just a fiction reader at heart. And I like work that takes risks and is hit or miss. I respect writers who experiment and fail.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310655)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:18 AM
Author: jade trailer park

Maybe I'm not. I switched to nonfiction. I like ideas more than people, I guess

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310664)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:19 AM
Author: Mint milk box office

fiction has bigger ideas though

Seriously, read "Lyndon." It's my favorite of all of DFW's stories. My Appearance if good too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310671)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:23 AM
Author: jade trailer park

I used to think so, but I feel like the genre's been exhausted. Maybe I'm looking at it in too political a way, but I feel like all the interesting experimentation has been crowded out by SJW politics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310709)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:26 AM
Author: Awkward heaven

The issue is excessive experimentation unbounded by standards.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310730)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:27 AM
Author: jade trailer park



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:07 AM
Author: Outnumbered Slate Scourge Upon The Earth

DFW's goat work:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/20/sports/playmagazine/20federer.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310597)