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Date: May 11th, 2008 10:59 PM Author: Rough-skinned obsidian station
GTO didn't write that. AK47's lawyer is some guy John Williams.
GTO writes super long and verbose motions.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769277) |
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Date: May 11th, 2008 11:04 PM Author: mildly autistic jet-lagged ratface pozpig
"GTO writes super long and verbose motions."
lulz. titcr. with lots of overheated rhetoric about the critical first amendment right to post racial slurs on the internet anonymously.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769308) |
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Date: May 11th, 2008 11:15 PM Author: Rough-skinned obsidian station
The key statute is 1367c not 1367a. "Common nucleus" is from 1367a.
28 usc 1367(c) The district courts may decline to exercise supplemental jurisdiction over a claim under subsection (a) if—
(1) the claim raises a novel or complex issue of State law,
(2) the claim substantially predominates over the claim or claims over which the district court has original jurisdiction,
(3) the district court has dismissed all claims over which it has original jurisdiction, or
(4) in exceptional circumstances, there are other compelling reasons for declining jurisdiction.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769350) |
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Date: May 11th, 2008 11:24 PM Author: mildly autistic jet-lagged ratface pozpig
1367c only exists to modify the scope of 1367a. I'll reproduce it for you:
The district courts may decline to exercise supplemental jurisdiction over a claim under subsection (a) if—
(1) the claim raises a novel or complex issue of State law,
(2) the claim substantially predominates over the claim or claims over which the district court has original jurisdiction,
(3) the district court has dismissed all claims over which it has original jurisdiction, or
(4) in exceptional circumstances, there are other compelling reasons for declining jurisdiction.
So 1367c doesn't come into play until 1367a is satisfied. also, no need to be rude about it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769394) |
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Date: May 11th, 2008 11:35 PM Author: mildly autistic jet-lagged ratface pozpig
right. i am now, and always have been, asserting that the facts are not necessarily related.
if on date X i post something tortious about you having an STD it is not factually related to another person posting a picture of you on date X + 1.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769454) |
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Date: May 11th, 2008 11:38 PM Author: mildly autistic jet-lagged ratface pozpig
why are you being so rude about it? i'm not saying i'm definitely right about this, but what i'm saying certainly isn't stupid.
EDIT: it IS shocking that he never cited 1367(c)(2), (4), though.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769471) |
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Date: May 11th, 2008 11:45 PM Author: mildly autistic jet-lagged ratface pozpig
wtf? i'm not saying i'm right about this, i was just asking what other people thought about the issue. saying, "you're wrong, retard; the issue is obvious" isn't much of an argument.
EDIT: and a good enough one that i'm starting an appellate clerkship in a matter of weeks. i plan to completely rewrite the SMJ law.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769515) |
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Date: May 11th, 2008 11:51 PM Author: Honey-headed fiercely-loyal chapel trust fund
"i was just asking what other people thought about the issue. saying, 'you're wrong, retard; the issue is obvious' isn't much of an argument."
i don't much care. i just remember you saying something insulting about me in the past for no particular reason, noted that you said something that appeared patently stupid on this thread, and so it seemed like an opportune moment for the question. (i actually am still curious as to the answer.)
"i plan to completely rewrite the SMJ law."
good luck with that. coa doesn't exactly mean that you're destined to change the legal world.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769547) |
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Date: May 11th, 2008 11:55 PM Author: mildly autistic jet-lagged ratface pozpig
i think i was dissing you in the "lay prestige" thread.
do you think that 1367a is obviously satisfied w/r/t all the defendants?
i'm not going to say where i go to school.
and, yes, it was a joke.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769572) |
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Date: May 12th, 2008 12:32 PM Author: translucent shrine sex offender
Dude, DeanRobbinsXXXX is being unduly stupid about this. I think there's a legit argument that there is no common nucleous of operative fact. Might not win, but certainly good enough to argue.
He's just being a dick.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9771817) |
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Date: May 11th, 2008 11:39 PM Author: Vigorous Chad
They couldn't even get Lemley's name right in the first paragraph. And check out this horrible sentence:
"If in fact this were a mere typographical error, one might suppose the plaintiffs would have corrected it when the error was brought to their attention; but the error was brought to their attention repeatedly before the recent oral argument and no effort was made to change the express, but now admittedly inaccurate, allegation of the complaint."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769478) |
Date: May 11th, 2008 10:55 PM Author: Rough-skinned obsidian station
lol, AK47's lawyer gives a shoutout to Ironmonkey.
The plaintiffs and their attorneys first
were notified of this issue in an AutoAdmit thread on June 12, 2007. See
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=644117&mc=79&forum_id=2#8246616
. The plaintiffs have submitted to this court several other posts from that
same thread on that very same day, so their awareness of these warnings is
indisputable.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769257) |
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Date: May 12th, 2008 12:36 PM Author: translucent shrine sex offender
I'm actually confused about who's referring to what, here, but I'll accept shoutout's wherever I can get them.
Edit: I get it now. *taks a bow*
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9771843) |
Date: May 11th, 2008 11:08 PM Author: Shimmering deer antler institution
Nice.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769324) |
Date: May 11th, 2008 11:09 PM Author: House-broken tank toilet seat
This is brutally devastating, especially when compared to KVN's POS brief.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769329) |
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Date: May 11th, 2008 11:29 PM Author: bright wonderful filthpig
It seems to me that making a big deal about registering the copyright immediately before the action commenced is pointless.
The Doe has the right to exert her copyright rights. Whether or not she has a mixed motive to also use this as a jurisdictional hook is irrelevant.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769421) |
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Date: May 11th, 2008 11:40 PM Author: bright wonderful filthpig
Here is the quote:
"[b]y mischaracterizing tort claims as copyright claims, plaintiffs seek to take advantage of a more favorable legal regime. This sort of gamesmanship is undesirable."
1) It isn't binding precedent (obviously). Indeed the quoted passage merely states an opinion that something is undesirable, not that any court has ever held it to be improper.
2) The complaint here contains bona fide copyright claims. I'd like to know which claims Williams thinks are tort claims mischaracterized as copyright claims.
3) If they had to, the does would simply argue that the present set of circumstances can be distinguished from those at the heart of this quote.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769482) |
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Date: May 11th, 2008 11:44 PM Author: Vigorous Chad
1) If Doe doesn't own the copyright, she has no "bonafide" copyright claim.
2) Copyright is intended to further the "progress of science" by incentivizing authors to create. Suing for copyright infringement of a photograph that an author has no intention of economically exploiting is pretextual.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769511) |
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Date: May 11th, 2008 11:49 PM Author: bright wonderful filthpig
1) See, here's the problem. Saying that Doe doesn't own the copyright is a DEFENSE to the copyright claim. The court has SMJ if the complaint AS FILED contains a case or controversy arising under federal law. It does.
2) Again - a copyright owner is entitled to exercise her rights. It is irrelevant that she has a mixed motive. Part of the litigation game is finding ways to get the most favorable forum, choice of law, etc.
3) Your silence on this one is noted.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769536) |
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Date: May 12th, 2008 12:01 AM Author: bright wonderful filthpig
I just don't think you understand how these things work.
Whether or not the plaintiff's registration is or is not valid is itself a matter of federal copyright law.
If I file a suit for patent infringement against you, I can bring it in federal court because a suit for patent infringement is a case or controversy under federal law.
If your defense is that I don't have a valid patent, the case is still going to be tried in federal court.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769599) |
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Date: May 12th, 2008 12:17 AM Author: Vigorous Chad
I don't think you understand the issues here.
"Federal district courts possess only limited jurisdiction, which Congress regulates by statute...In a copyright action, a district court initially derives its jurisdiction from two sources: 28 U.S.C. §§ 1331 and 1338... Congress may supplement or limit these basic provisions with additional requirements "expressed in a separate statutory section from jurisdictional grants." Section 411(a)... provides that "no action for infringement of the copyright in any United States work shall be instituted until preregistration or registration of the copyright claim has been made in accordance with this title."
Whether this requirement is jurisdictional is not up for debate in this Circuit. On two recent occasions, we have squarely held that it is. See Well-Made Toy Mfg. Corp. v. Goffa Int'l Corp., 354 F.3d 112, 114, 115 (2d Cir. 2003) (affirming dismissal for lack of "subject matter jurisdiction" because section 411(a)'s "registration requirement is jurisdictional"); Morris v. Business Concepts, Inc., 259 F.3d 65, 72, 73 (2d Cir. 2001) (holding "that subject matter jurisdiction was lacking because the registration requirement of section 411(a) was not satisfied" and affirming dismissal "for lack of subject matter jurisdiction").
We are far from alone in this regard; there is widespread agreement among the circuits that section 411(a) is jurisdictional. See La Resolana Architects, PA v. Clay Realtors Angel Fire, 416 F.3d 1195, 1200 (10th Cir. 2005) ("Section 411(a) is the jurisdictional lynchpin to copyright infringement actions[.]"); Positive Black Talk Inc. [*122] v. Cash Money Records Inc., 394 F.3d 357, 365 (5th Cir. 2004) [**14] (noting that section 411(a) "supplement[s]" the "broad underlying" jurisdictional grants in 28 U.S.C. §§ 1331, 1338 and acts as an additional "jurisdictional prerequisite"); Xoom, Inc. v. Imageline, Inc., 323 F.3d 279, 283 (4th Cir. 2003) ("Copyright registration is a jurisdictional prerequisite to bringing an action for infringement under the Copyright Act."); Murray Hill Publ'ns, Inc. v. ABC Commc'ns, Inc., 264 F.3d 622, 630 n.1 (6th Cir. 2001) (noting that while copyright protection exists prior to registration, "[t]he registration requirement under section 411[a] is a jurisdictional prerequisite to the right of the holder to enforce the copyright in federal court"); Brewer-Giorgio v. Producers Video, Inc., 216 F.3d 1281, 1285 (11th Cir. 2000) ("It is well settled in this Court that the registration requirement is a jurisdictional prerequisite to an infringement suit." (internal quotation marks omitted and alterations incorporated)); Data Gen. Corp. v. Grumman Sys. Support Corp., 36 F.3d 1147, 1163 (1st Cir. 1994) (describing registration under section 411(a) as a "jurisdictional requirement")...
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For these reasons, we conclude that § 1367(a) did not provide the District Court with jurisdiction over the claims arising from the alleged infringement of unregistered copyrights."
Muchnick v. Thomson Corp. (In re: Literary Works in Elec. Databas..., 509 F.3d 116 (2nd Cir. 2007)
HTMFH
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769656) |
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Date: May 12th, 2008 12:20 AM Author: Vigorous Chad
tyty
i can't wait until i get to do this shit in court for realz
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769671) |
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Date: May 12th, 2008 12:46 AM Author: Bonkers galvanic circlehead
LOL.
*waits for NYBEG to ignore this new set of pwnage*
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769773) |
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Date: May 12th, 2008 1:05 AM Author: bright wonderful filthpig
I'm not sure I get what you're driving at. Are you saying that the doe with the copyright claim filed a copyright registration before the law suit was filed, but that that registration was somehow defective? Or are you saying that she didn't file it until after the lawsuit was filed?
If I am not mistaken the cases you cited involved situations in which the plaintiff did not even allege that they had filed for copyright registration before their complaint was filed.
If the issue here centers on whether or not the registration is defective, or whether or not the plaintiff has a valid copyright in the first place, then that is not at all the same thing.
The plaintiff will say "here's my copyright, he infringed it". It is then a defense to say that there is no valid copyright, but that doesn't mean that subject matter jurisdiction is lost. It is a defense only and has to be sorted out through litigation.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769848) |
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Date: May 12th, 2008 12:53 PM Author: translucent shrine sex offender
Ah, that is a good issue. (as may be obvious, I haven't read all the pleadings)
If Doe 1 is bringing a copyright infringement case and the copyright office has not received her app for registration, then many courts would say there is no jurisdiction.
However, some courts say that you *can* sue for injunctive relief on a copyright claim without registration. That would seem to be ridiculous here where there is no claim of ongoing infringement as far as I know.
I know of at least one other court that has said "sure, you didn't file for registration til after filing the complaint, but as a matter of judicial economy, we won't make you re-file an amended complaint now that you have filed for registration"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9771939)
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Date: May 12th, 2008 12:50 PM Author: translucent shrine sex offender
That doesn't contradict what he's saying.
I think we all agree that you have to have a copyright registration (or the copyright office has to have received for registration application--there is a circuit split on that issue) to sue for copyright infringement.
But if you've got the registration (I understand that one of the Ps does), the argument that the registration is invalid doesn't affect the jurisdiction issue.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9771920)
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Date: May 12th, 2008 12:47 PM Author: translucent shrine sex offender
In this case, if a registration has issued (in fact, issuance may not be strictly necessary, but that's another issue), you've got jurisdiction to sue for copyright infringement.
The Court may find that you don't own the copyright, but that's another issue.
Now, if the D could argue that insufficient facts were plead to make out a claim of copyright ownership, that might work. But with notice pleading, that's sort of an uphill battle. A motion for more specific pleading might get you where you want to go.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9771904) |
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Date: May 12th, 2008 2:16 PM Author: translucent shrine sex offender
She has to show ownership of copyright either way if she's asserting a copyright claim.
Registration is prima facie evidence of valid copyright ownership if registered within 5 years of publication (I think) of the work. (maybe it's creation, I forget right now).
Whether she *actually* owns any copyright interest in the photographs is another issue that Ds would have to rebut (given a registration in her name). Whether she owns any copyright interest in the photos depends on whether she contributed any original expression to the photo (maybe creative posing, or other contributions?)
Not sure if it would work, but Ds could file a motion for more definite statement/clarificatino of complaint (I forget what this is called, but I think it's a 12(b) motion) asking that they more clearly state the facts giving rise to their copyright complaint (including ownership facts), but I'm not sure if this would be successful if they just allege ownership of a registration.
Of course, they managed to screw that part up from what I understand.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9772285) |
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Date: May 11th, 2008 11:53 PM Author: mildly autistic jet-lagged ratface pozpig
1) he harps on the ownership issue to make the point that they were just searching for a way to get federal jurisdiction. he's saying that while they carefully tracked down potentially tortious statements made about each of the Does, they didn't even both to identify the alleged victim of copyright infringement correctly.
2) trying to get in an ideal forum is part of the game, but the courts limit how you can play it. the point isn't that she isn't entitled to exercise rights under copyright law; the point is that a trumped up copyright claim shouldn't be the backdoor to federal court for the Does tort claims.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769563) |
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Date: May 12th, 2008 12:06 AM Author: bright wonderful filthpig
"the point is that a trumped up copyright claim shouldn't be the backdoor to federal court for the Does tort claims."
First of all there is a difference between "trumped up" and "validly exerted for the mere purposes of getting SMJ".
Second, you can make the argument to the judge but at the end of the day the judge still has discretion to hear the pendant claims together. This "shouldn't" is a plea to the judge, not a mandate that binds the judge's hands.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769622) |
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Date: May 12th, 2008 12:09 AM Author: mildly autistic jet-lagged ratface pozpig
"This 'shouldn't' is a plea to the judge, not a mandate that binds the judge's hands."
never thought otherwise. but as my good friend DeanRobbins333334 above took pains to reiterate to me, 1367(c) is a mandate to kick certain suits out of the fed courts, even when pendent jurisdiction exists.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769630) |
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Date: May 12th, 2008 12:13 AM Author: exciting khaki market
It's only validly exerted if the judge is lenient and treats the copyright claim as if it were made by Doe 2. If the judge doesn't treat it as an error, or finds it was an error but holds KVN to it because they didn't amend for a year, then the copyright claim wasn't validly exerted.
But you're right it's all in the judge's discretion. He has enough to go on to do whatever he wants here.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769643) |
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Date: May 11th, 2008 11:55 PM Author: bright wonderful filthpig
I guess you didn't read what I said.
That quote appears to have been in reference to some claims that were actually tort claims but which were mischaracterized as copyright claims. That isn't true here. There are bona fide copyright claims. Do you know what "characterization" means as a legal term of art as it applies to claims?
And again - if he really had to he could simply distinguish the cases.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769569)
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Date: May 12th, 2008 12:10 AM Author: dun kink-friendly trump supporter halford
"simply distinguish"
Just finishing up 1L eh?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769632) |
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Date: May 12th, 2008 12:23 PM Author: hairraiser judgmental weed whacker menage
it is emphatically not a valid copyright claim. Doe I does not have standing under any rubric recognized by law to sue for injury suffered by Doe II.
Any contention otherwise is, at best, facetious.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9771780) |
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Date: May 12th, 2008 12:42 PM Author: translucent shrine sex offender
"The complaint here contains bona fide copyright claims."
That sort of depends on your definition of "bona fide." You could probably argue successfully that, at this point, the copyright claims shouldn't be dismissed, but not really sure.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9771884) |
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Date: May 11th, 2008 11:33 PM Author: mildly autistic jet-lagged ratface pozpig
the copyright registration right before suit thing happens constantly since it's simply not cost-effective to register most things that can be protected by copyright.
again, i think it puts KVN's brief to shame, but i feel like it's not all that great. but so it goes with pro boner work.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769446) |
Date: May 11th, 2008 11:11 PM Author: Beady-eyed Base Azn
I'm confused.
Why does the Keker brief refer to teh AT & T privacy policy? Wasn't AK47 using AOL ?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769330)
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Date: May 11th, 2008 11:15 PM Author: Beady-eyed Base Azn
But did his AIM ids defame anybody ?
Also, isn't Williams going to get slapped for using the word "Heller" in his brief?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769353) |
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Date: May 11th, 2008 11:21 PM Author: mildly autistic jet-lagged ratface pozpig
discovery is liberal.
dunno what the rules are when a party is allowed to proceed anonymously.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769382) |
Date: May 11th, 2008 11:18 PM Author: Motley Know-it-all Puppy Selfie
Are there new pleadings? What's the docket number, so I can pull it up on pacer.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769358) |
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Date: May 11th, 2008 11:19 PM Author: copper gas station striped hyena
google "doe v ciolli complaint"
you'll be pleasantly surprised and amused.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769368) |
Date: May 11th, 2008 11:18 PM Author: copper gas station striped hyena
doesnt matter. ak47's future is in KVN's hands. his identity was revealed to them by AT&T. they can file a state law tort suit against him and out him, which is really what this is all about anyway.
this would of course mean all the other Ds wouldnt be on the hook aynmore.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769359) |
Date: May 11th, 2008 11:40 PM Author: Cracking tanning salon
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769481) |
Date: May 12th, 2008 12:11 AM Author: scarlet stead hissy fit
what's this Virginia litigation now?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769635) |
Date: May 12th, 2008 1:06 AM Author: soul-stirring haunted graveyard
What did AK47 even do? Did he out anybody?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9769851) |
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Date: May 12th, 2008 2:08 AM Author: exhilarant hot theater water buffalo
he made a bunch of nasty threads/comments about some girls who were attending yls.
one thread went something like this:
"all girls named XXXXX need to be raped"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9770141) |
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Date: May 12th, 2008 12:38 PM Author: hairraiser judgmental weed whacker menage
What the hells an AR18?
I've never fired one, that's for sure
Edit: Oh. The gun the US Army passed over in favor of the AR15 that real men shoot. Sorry bout your tiny pink... oh too easy never mind
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9771854) |
Date: May 12th, 2008 7:34 AM Author: Beady-eyed Base Azn
When a judge "appoints pro bono counsel" - does that mean the lawyer came forward and volunteer to do it or does the court pick someone off a list and tell him to do it whether he wants it or not.
The reason I'm asking is that Radazza's blog says something like "the judge took the step of appointing pro bono counsel" - making it sound like this was something unusual.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9771148) |
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Date: May 12th, 2008 9:47 AM Author: buff bbw abode
In the District of Connecticut, the court picks off a list, and the appointee has a period of time to decline.
I know Atty. Williams, and this case is right up his alley. Kudos to him for picking up on the SMJ issue when AK47 wasn't smart enough to
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9771244) |
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Date: May 12th, 2008 12:54 PM Author: diverse set
cr.
I could be wrong though, but I thought it was the judge that brought up the SMJ issue?
I may be giving AK47 too much credit here, but maybe he was banking on that from the beginning so he could draw this out?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9771944) |
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Date: May 12th, 2008 1:58 PM Author: diverse set
He went to law school at least, right?
Maybe it was his favorite thing in civ pro.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9772209) |
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Date: May 12th, 2008 1:05 PM Author: translucent shrine sex offender
Either that, or IronMonkey is just really really insightful.
*nods*
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9772005) |
Date: May 12th, 2008 4:33 PM Author: Beady-eyed Base Azn
Somebody needs to start a blog on this. Maybe some Harvard student who read the complaint for class ..
What is going on in Western District of Virginia versus AOL (the one that GTO intervened in) ?
Is Williams representing AK in both suits ?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9773016) |
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Date: May 12th, 2008 4:36 PM Author: mildly autistic jet-lagged ratface pozpig
The Virginia lit has to do with subpoenas to AOL. GTO turned over the names on his buddy list which he could associate w/xo posters (or so it seems), and KVN subpoenaed AOL for that info. GTO and GTO's mother moved to quash.
it seems pretty unlikely that AK47 was on GTO's buddy list, so i don't think he's involved with that stuff.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9773032)
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Date: May 12th, 2008 4:57 PM Author: Beady-eyed Base Azn
Thanks.
Why don't you start a blog on this?
If you wanted to go big time and expand to other issues, you could steal a story from WSJ every now and then. You'd outrank abovethelaw in about two days.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=812353&forum_id=2#9773150) |
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