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So are long-term fasts flame or CR?
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Date: March 18th, 2015 12:13 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Lodge That Harper's article inspired me and I haven't eaten anything for the past three days and only about 3k calories in the past seven. Obviously it appears to be working thus far, but I'm wondering if there are big hazards I should be aware of before I try going a week or more without food. Currently I'm just taking a multivitamin.
I'm not a superfat, btw, only about 5'11 and 200. |
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Date: March 18th, 2015 12:15 AM Author: bateful liquid oxygen link to harper's? Intermittent fasting has gotten a lot of good press in the last 2-3 years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27510278) |
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Date: March 18th, 2015 12:18 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Lodge It's been posted a couple times on XO recently, which is how I found it:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=forums&srcid=MTY2MDUwODgzNDY5MjQ4OTA0MjUBMDU5MDY5Mzg2MjMzMzAwMTEzMDMBcmxuUmlGVWw4cDhKATAuMQEBdjI |
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Date: March 18th, 2015 1:54 AM Author: Boyish chest-beating gay wizard multi-billionaire it's legit, but most people lack the willpower to do it for very long. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27510709) |
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Date: March 18th, 2015 11:12 AM Author: angry area tank At 5'11 and 210 (since fat fucks all under report) your BMI is 29.3 which is borderline obese (BMI >30) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27511624) |
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Date: March 18th, 2015 11:18 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Lodge The American obesity rate for men is over 32%, so I'd say beating all of them out is probably enough to say I'm "not a superfat." I ain't fatd00d. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27511663) |
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Date: March 18th, 2015 11:24 AM Author: angry area tank Until your BMI is under 24 you are a whale, not a human. Get there and we'll talk. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27511708) |
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Date: March 18th, 2015 11:32 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Lodge Well, that is motivation, I suppose. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27511761) |
Date: March 18th, 2015 12:16 AM Author: lavender plaza ur body/metabolism has an equilibrium point=K, distortions of diet to the contrary, u will reach that Konstant,indubitably, k? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27510286) |
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Date: March 18th, 2015 12:28 AM Author: charismatic yarmulke half-breed They purify you; hone your thoughts; crystallize your motivations. Breathe in. Hear the crinkle-crack of your cavity expanding with air. Modern day St. Anthony at your shipyard desk, you. Taste of copper in your mouth; running from your nose. Sputtering cough leaves red flecks against the couragated metal wall. This is good. You feel good. Pure. You hear the rain outside, banging against the tin roof. In the distance, the repulsor cranes carry on their swan ballet, offloading pallets from ships across the thousand worlds.
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Date: March 18th, 2015 10:53 AM Author: Glittery Deranged Theater Stage Psychic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27511512) |
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Date: March 18th, 2015 11:16 AM Author: Cracking Electric Furnace lol 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27511653) |
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Date: March 18th, 2015 11:37 AM Author: Bonkers principal's office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27511800) |
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Date: March 31st, 2015 5:25 PM Author: Avocado Casino (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27589909) |
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Date: April 6th, 2015 3:39 PM Author: sooty chapel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27632898) |
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Date: May 16th, 2015 3:01 PM Author: diverse hideous crackhouse I am fucking finished (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27903410) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2015 11:37 PM Author: adventurous filthpig heaven (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#28393639) |
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Date: March 18th, 2015 1:55 AM Author: lascivious zippy patrolman how are you faring brother? do you only drink water i take it?
i want to do it too but i am too fucking lacking in willpower |
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Date: March 18th, 2015 2:05 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Lodge Well, I basically started on Wednesday after eating a full calorie load on Tuesday. I've had a few hiccups but I've been ramping up the intensity pretty fast
-Wednesday I ate 1 chocolate-covered pretzal because there was a box at the office, and that was it -Thursday I caved a bit while covering a press event and ate a couple cookies -Friday I ate nothing -On Saturday I was invited to a St. Patrick's Day party. I was planning in advance to eat at it and pretty much ate normally, probably about 2200 calories -Since leaving that party on Saturday night I've eaten nothing.
I've only been drinking water, besides one beer and some whisky at the party I went to. It's been easier than I expected but also not a walk in the park, though I hear once you get over the 3-4 day hump it can be a lot easier because hunger mostly goes away. We'll see if I can maek it.
One thing that helps is that in mental terms I think it's easier to simply eat nothing than to rigorously watch what you eat all day. |
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Date: March 18th, 2015 9:30 AM Author: beady-eyed party of the first part internal respiration Wow this sounds like the most retarded diet of all time
Just do nothing but shitcarbs and alcohol bro |
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Date: March 18th, 2015 9:58 AM Author: Contagious Indian Lodge Generalized Bond I don't think he's lifting and trying to put on muscle or anything breh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27511310) |
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Date: March 18th, 2015 10:10 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Lodge Does it really matter if I'm only eating 3k calories a week? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27511344) |
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Date: March 18th, 2015 10:22 AM Author: beady-eyed party of the first part internal respiration If this is your goal:
https://alastairgordonwalltowall.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/skinny-pow-2-copy1.jpg |
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Date: March 18th, 2015 10:25 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Lodge Beats being a fat.
That said, this is mostly just my plan for losing weight. Once it's actually gone, I'll transition to eating a more normal diet. |
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Date: March 18th, 2015 10:28 AM Author: beady-eyed party of the first part internal respiration This is unsustainable and flame. Zero percent chance you've ever had only 3K calories in any 7 day window since you were an infant hth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27511412) |
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Date: March 18th, 2015 11:06 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Lodge Well duh it isn't sustainable. I'm using it to lose weight, not as a permanent shift in diet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27511590) |
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Date: March 18th, 2015 11:18 AM Author: beady-eyed party of the first part internal respiration You never did this hth.com/weakflamebrej.jpeg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27511661) |
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Date: March 18th, 2015 2:03 AM Author: Disrespectful glassy weed whacker depends on your genetics, metabolism, and current activity level.
it's extremely unhealthy for certain segments of the population. |
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Date: March 18th, 2015 2:09 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Lodge Could you elaborate on who it's really unhealthy for? I doubt it's me as I'm an extremely generic subset of the population rather than an exceptional one, but obviously I should confirm this.
My genetics and metabolism are pretty much the norm for American 20-something doods, I imagine. I'm not as active as I should be but I do enough walking to not be a super couch potato. Obviously I should be lifting, but I'm currently not. |
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Date: March 18th, 2015 9:14 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Lodge Bump for any MFEs in the day crew. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27511222) |
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Date: March 18th, 2015 10:23 AM Author: Haunting theater dog poop based on my knowledge there are two schools here: intermittent fasting (ie 5/2 diet) and long term ultra low calorie lifestyles.
imho, something like the 5/2 works because as you said it's fairly simple to follow and you still get to eat "normally" for the majority of the time
those who push the ultra low cal lifestyle do so for the supposed longevity benefits as much as (if not more so than) any weight loss consequences. |
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Date: March 18th, 2015 11:33 AM Author: yapping jet-lagged affirmative action tattoo I did that stupid Master Cleanse lemonade diet 12 years ago and went from 181 to 159 in 12 days. First three days kind of sucked, but after that I stopped caring about food. Have to admit I felt pretty amazing afterwards and it killed my appetite for junk/fast food and booze for a few months. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27511763) |
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Date: March 20th, 2015 1:53 PM Author: Floppy school cafeteria Why was it stupid then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27525303) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 8:26 PM Author: lascivious zippy patrolman cq (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27549128) |
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Date: March 18th, 2015 1:03 PM Author: Milky hyperactive locus You shouldn't go much longer than about 36 hours. Your body starts to break down muscle about 48 hours after digesting your last meal. Your testosterone and hgh levels go through the roof at about 16 hours of no food, stay that way until about 30 hours (HGH goes up 2000% after 24 hours), and start to tank about 36 hours in. IF also keeps insulin low.
IF is way better. Most of the benefits from fasting kick in at about 16-20 hours. Not much of a point going beyond 24 from a physiological viewpoint. But no harm until about 36.
If you do IF though, you need to keep a consistent eating window or you'll fuck with your hormones and circadian rhythm. Also not a good idea to fast without medical supervision if you're diabetic. Also, men can fast longer than women (it's a hormonal thing).
Lean gains is a 16/8; you can also do a 20/4 or even a 23/1; 5/2 is okay. I do one meal on a cut/maintenance and two meals on a bulk. There's also the warrior diet but that's not "true" IF.
Also, don't eat post-workout. Ride that HGH wave. When you eat, insulin goes up which brings down HGH and Test.
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Date: March 24th, 2015 9:54 PM Author: flushed church gaming laptop Can you explain more not eating after workout? I thought traditional idea was you wanted that post workout feed with insulin spike to pack nutrients into muscles. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27549665) |
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Date: May 16th, 2015 3:04 PM Author: Milky hyperactive locus After working out (heavy weights/low-moderate rep) your body releases HGH and Testosterone. When you eat, your body releases insulin. When Insulin goes up HGH/Test tanks, and the opposite. So you want to ride that wave for about 4-5 hours post workout. You'll still get the insulin spike benefit (whatever your first meal is up to 24 hours post-workout). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27903427) |
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Date: March 20th, 2015 1:05 PM Author: charismatic yarmulke half-breed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27524920) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 8:25 PM Author: charismatic yarmulke half-breed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27549119) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 8:27 PM Author: Floppy school cafeteria I'll let you know in 7 - 10 days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27549133) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 8:28 PM Author: charismatic yarmulke half-breed This is why I bumped this. Please document this powerful transformation. TINLA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27549138) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 8:40 PM Author: Floppy school cafeteria Have you done this or are you considering it? Or are you just ruthlessly mocking me? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27549213) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 8:43 PM Author: charismatic yarmulke half-breed 1. I have not done this. 2. I am not ruthlessly mocking you--nor would I ever ruthlessly mock you. I love the idea of one of our brothers undertaking an extended fast and documenting the effects. It's poignant in its own way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27549239) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 8:50 PM Author: Floppy school cafeteria Cool, bro. I figure I've done worse things to my body. How bad could it be? I'll update my progress. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27549281) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 8:51 PM Author: charismatic yarmulke half-breed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27549295) |
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Date: April 6th, 2015 3:35 PM Author: charismatic yarmulke half-breed (RTG, collapsed in corner of office, hand outstretched toward computer on desk against far wall, one last hoap for logging in) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27632869) |
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Date: April 6th, 2015 3:37 PM Author: Floppy school cafeteria Hey man, I lasted about 3.5 days and then switched over to intermittent fasting. I'm doing full-day eat today, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27632881) |
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Date: April 6th, 2015 3:38 PM Author: charismatic yarmulke half-breed TYTY (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27632896) |
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Date: March 31st, 2015 5:12 PM Author: charismatic yarmulke half-breed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27589794) |
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Date: April 6th, 2015 3:39 PM Author: sooty chapel ITT not a lot of Jainbros (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27632904) |
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Date: April 6th, 2015 3:44 PM Author: Alcoholic translucent blood rage I think if they go too long its called starving to death, which can be fatal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27632946) |
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Date: April 6th, 2015 3:45 PM Author: charismatic yarmulke half-breed I'm not sure if this is true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27632958) |
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Date: April 6th, 2015 3:48 PM Author: Alcoholic translucent blood rage To be fair, I'm not a doctor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27632987) |
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Date: April 6th, 2015 3:48 PM Author: charismatic yarmulke half-breed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27632993) |
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Date: April 13th, 2015 7:50 PM Author: Exciting volcanic crater office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27684392) |
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Date: April 13th, 2015 7:48 PM Author: charismatic yarmulke half-breed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27684380) |
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Date: April 13th, 2015 8:25 PM Author: violet razzmatazz jewess (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27684589) |
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Date: May 16th, 2015 2:47 PM Author: charismatic yarmulke half-breed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27903329) |
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Date: May 16th, 2015 2:57 PM Author: lascivious zippy patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#27903387) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2015 11:35 PM Author: charismatic yarmulke half-breed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2832872&forum_id=2#28393616) |