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Date: February 27th, 2007 1:14 AM Author: Sinister Parlour
The bottom line is that race is self-identified (according to ABA policy). No law school, no state bar character&fitness review board is going to be able to penalize you for claiming URM if you don't "look" like one. If you claim URM, you have met the ABA's only criterion for establishing applicant URM status.
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Date: February 27th, 2007 1:23 AM Author: Titillating garrison milk So, let's say that one's name is cleary, say , italian. In fact, let's say my last name IS "Italian" Guido Intalian is my name. Now , I check Native American. Must an admissions officer accept me as native american, or can they inquire? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676350) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 1:31 AM Author: Sinister Parlour Bottom line: URM is self-identified.
Think about it... it's quite possible that someone could have a very legit claim to African-American with an Italian name if their dad was italian and mother a black.
There's nothing they can "investigate"... Since there is no minimum blood % one must have to claim a certain race (I've asked this very question to the bars), you can claim any fucking thing.
In the case that you do get "asked" about it, just stick to your guns and say that "I identify with my ethnicity and I am not going to 'defend' my claim to it because the bottom line is that I self-identify". At worst, they'll think you're a dick and won't admit you. The vast majority of schools won't ask though, and instead savor over the prospect of snagging a Native American |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 1:34 AM Author: Titillating garrison milk Nevertheless seems risky. Although, I did see a native american with a 2.2 and a 159 get a full ride at t14. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676411) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 1:39 AM Author: Sinister Parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676443) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 1:26 AM Author: Federal Tripping Therapy Exactly what questions did you pose the "character and fitness board" and what were their exact responses? Race is listed on birth certificate BTW. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676363) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 1:28 AM Author: Titillating garrison milk TITCR. what does that mean. So, Mr. Italian could embrace the Native American culture and therfore check "Native American." Also, that's politically correct. Where is the defintion of race that governs this issu? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676376) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 4:01 AM Author: Sinister Parlour Actually it's usually listed as American Indian, not native american. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676917) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 1:32 AM Author: Titillating garrison milk Good questions. This seems hard to believe. Also, why would he share this information? He's trying to sabatage xo'ers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676399) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 1:35 AM Author: Titillating garrison milk ???? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676420) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 11:30 PM Author: Vigorous Amethyst Heaven Twinkling Uncleanness Subject: strump-bust a-genn forget your Las Vegas schtick already, dood?
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Date: February 27th, 2007 1:35 AM Author: Sinister Parlour Call and ask yourself (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676422) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 1:45 AM Author: Sinister Parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676472) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 1:35 AM Author: Sinister Parlour "Do you ever investigate or police ethnicity in any way?"
"No."
"Do I need to have a minimum ancestoral percentage to claim a certain ethnicity?"
"No, your choice is based solely on self identification"
Birth certificate doesn't matter. That isn't self identification. You can even self-id as caucasion for undergrad and STILL say that you're a URM for law school. If someone dares confront you, you just tell them that you had some change of heart. Etnicity isn't a genetic trait, it's a psychological state. Psychological states can change.
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Date: February 27th, 2007 1:37 AM Author: Titillating garrison milk Sick. I've never felt so fucking native american.
This kid is going to make a good lawyer. Nice fuckin loop hole.
What if I say i'm a gay native american. Am I an autoadmit at harvard?
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Date: February 27th, 2007 11:59 PM Author: Hyperactive hell Try Yale. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7682382) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 1:38 AM Author: lascivious overrated theater stage headpube that's why applications also ask that you identify your tribe. It's hard to fake your way into a tribe I would imagine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676436) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 1:39 AM Author: Titillating garrison milk I belong to the tribe i've created in the back of my house. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676447) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 1:41 AM Author: Sinister Parlour Most of them don't ask for tribe.
But for those apps that do ask, you can fucking claim any tribe you want. If some administrator wants to try to verify your status in a tribal community-- guess what-- they can't hold that as evidence against you because this shit is SELF-identified. You're not claiming that you're identified by anyone else other than YOURSELF and therefore there is no falsification. |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 1:46 AM Author: Titillating garrison milk Alright, I get your point. However, there is, when under review for C&F, things that fall under relevant conduct. These things inclue "making of false statements, including omissions," "acts involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676475) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 3:10 AM Author: Sinister Parlour Do you know anything?
Someone can only be determined officially guilty of these violations insofar as it is PROVEN. The burden of proof is not on you, but rather the adcom/bar-fart skeptic.
You can't "disprove" someone's self-professed ethnicity. It may seem common sense that someone "is white", but you can't make a legitimate case that someone lied about not believing they are white ONLY because they look white.
The crazy thing about this is that a person can blatently lie their ass off, but as long as they don't openly admit they weren't sincere about identifying as URM, they cannot be proven to be a liar. |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 1:49 AM Author: Erotic underhanded electric furnace i cant do it because i am not american:( and med schools have interviews, so if you dont look colored, it doesnt work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676492) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 1:51 AM Author: Titillating garrison milk What about homos? Do they receive any sort of equivalent AA? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676498) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 1:53 AM Author: Erotic underhanded electric furnace no, they're at disadvantage for med schools. they tend to be smart and a high risk of aids or hepatitis. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676501) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 1:54 AM Author: Titillating garrison milk Well, what about law school? I don't plan on touching any cock, so I couldn't care less if they have HIV. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676512) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 2:02 AM Author: Erotic underhanded electric furnace they dont get AA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676547) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 3:11 AM Author: Sinister Parlour I'm talking about ABA policy only. I have no idea what the AA policy is for med schools. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676790) |
Date: February 27th, 2007 1:44 AM Author: Lake disgusting masturbator Shit, I wish you would have told me this a few weeks ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676470) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 1:53 AM Author: clear trailer park Wow, I can't believe this is true... I will be applying for the next cycle, I am something like 1/128 native american in actuality... Also, the person I have always called my grandfather is half blood native american and his grandfather was the chief of a tribe... He is just actually my step- grandpa... I have actually been to a couple of pow wows and other indian shit... It's a little sketchy ethically... but I think I could easily claim identification even if questioned... This is fantastic news, w/ a 3.5 and a 169, HYS here i come... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676509) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 1:56 AM Author: Titillating garrison milk Ergo, why there is business ethics. Diablo, you can lay claim to your ethnicity, but for some middle class white boy who simply didn't work hard enough in college to get into T14, it is not ethically sound. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676517) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 3:15 AM Author: Sinister Parlour Affirmative Action is what's ethically unsound here.
Anyone who tries to buck the system is not only making an ethicially-justifiable decision, but they are HEROS. If everyone decided they were a URM, then URM would cease to be a leg up and people would start getting judged on merit only--like it should be. |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 1:57 AM Author: Contagious iridescent rigpig Problem is.. if you're totally not... nor do you identify with a minority group... and have even somewhat remotely halfway decent lsat scores/grades... you're gonna end up on a full ride scholarship somewhere... I'd feel really guilty taking an african american scholarship when I wasn't black. Also, If the university found out you could be really screwed for taking that money.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676523) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 2:02 AM Author: Titillating garrison milk The fact is, that if you're that desperate to gain admission to some "prestigious" school, then you ought not to go there anyway. I'd argue that you're simple. If you're bright, you'll be sucesfull. Granted, it might take a while to get to the top, whereas going to harvard immediately puts you near the top. Nevertheless, get a fucking life. If you're white, you're white. You fucked up, and you can't get T14. Accept it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676543) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 2:03 AM Author: Adventurous angry bbw crackhouse like looking in the mirror, isn't it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676549) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 2:05 AM Author: Titillating garrison milk Actually, it's not. I got into two top 14's. However, I took a full ride elsewhere, becuase I wasn't sure I wanted to practice law, anyway. Turns out, I was right. Law is dull and tedious in equal parts. I graduated with no debt, and took a job as middle/upper management in vegas making more money than any 1st year associate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676563) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 2:08 AM Author: Adventurous angry bbw crackhouse false, u were already reminded that you make less than a first year in another thread. you did not get into any t14s, and you are posting from your parent's basement. if i was in vegas right now, i'd be out drinking instead of posting. before you think of flaming a response, no you're not about to go downstairs and have a drink with tommy lee. HTH (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676574) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 2:12 AM Author: Titillating garrison milk Wow, you're a flame for even remembering those posts, first of all. Second, I do make more than any first year associate. I don't have to pay for housing or food. Free automobile. How much of your income is spent on the above three? And yeah, if you were in vegas on vacation, you would be partying, obviously. I fucking work here, flame boy. Go limpwrist. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676608) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 3:21 AM Author: Sinister Parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676821) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 3:17 AM Author: Sinister Parlour The university can't just "find out". They might be convinced a scholarship-recieving student looks non-URM, but unless they have evidence he/she doesn't sincerely self-identify, they can't do shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676809) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 4:06 AM Author: Sinister Parlour I purposely waiting to reveal this late so that my competition didn't increase. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676925) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 3:20 AM Author: provocative national security agency if i were white - which i'm happy to report is not the case - nothing on this planet could stop me from claiming i was some sort of oppressed ethic on a school (or job) application. apparently, american indians are currently the most oppressed; though as the recent thurmond-sharpton news shows, if you look back far enough, you might just find out that you are, indeed, well, black. thus america's history of slavery, often used to justify pro-black AA, might just end up giving whites more of a racial preference than it gives blacks. that's irony! (right?) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676819) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 3:24 AM Author: Sinister Parlour I don't see why you're so happy to be (NON-)*white. If a white person can get the AA advantage a black does (the only advantage blacks have in our society), he still gets to enjoy all the privileges of whites on top of that (i.e. not having to worry about getting beaten by the cops; not having to worry about being discriminated against in face-to-face job interviews). *edit |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 3:26 AM Author: provocative national security agency i'm not happy to be white. indeed i'm not even white: i'm black. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676843) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 3:44 AM Author: Sinister Parlour I meant to say "I don't see why you're so happy to be non-white". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676898) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 5:04 AM Author: Know-it-all Theatre the one native american guy i know was requested to produce his tribal documentation when he applied to graduate school as a native american. you have to be 1/16 native to claim that shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676987) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 5:05 AM Author: Sinister Parlour Couldn't have been a law school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7676988) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 7:46 AM Author: Sinister Parlour what school was this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7677046) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 8:50 AM Author: Greedy medicated jewess bawdyhouse You's be an idiot to try this. Schools have their ways of finding out if you are lying. And when they do, all of the work you put into advancing your life will unravel. You can have your degree revoked and your bar admission denied/revoked.
Would you really want to risk that? Lawyers tend to be risk adverse people anyway, or else they'd be going into a field like business or the arts where the potential for a higher payoff than in law is present but the chances are lower. Why would a person like this want to make a risky decision like lying on an application?
Good luck monitoring every conversation you have with your classmates, etc., as you go through life. |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 9:00 AM Author: Sinister Parlour "schools have their ways of finding out if you are lying"
Oh, do they have remote sensor lie detectors? |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 9:04 AM Author: Greedy medicated jewess bawdyhouse Would you really want to be the target of their suspicion? What if they figure out that your family is all white and they pose as a surveyor to call your parents and ask about their connections with persons of other ethnicities, and their children's connections?
Seems like there would be endless potential for investigation. Good luck with a paranoid life and a craned neck looking over your shoulder. |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 9:34 AM Author: clear trailer park "Would you really want to be the target of their suspicion? What if they figure out that your family is all white and they pose as a surveyor to call your parents and ask about their connections with persons of other ethnicities, and their children's connections?"
Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds? |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 11:46 AM Author: Sinister Parlour The only "proof" a law school applicant has to provide is SELF-IDENTIFICATION. Whatever ethnicity family members claim DOESNT MATTER.
Even if your ridiculous hypothetical "investigation" happened and parents gave the surveyors contradictory reports about their child's "connections" to their self-identified URM ethnicity, the bottom line remains: the sole ABA standard for minority status--SELF-IDENTIFICATION-- remains met. NO JUSTIFICATION REQUIRED.
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Date: February 27th, 2007 9:00 AM Author: brilliant double fault address You forgot to add that it's morally repulsive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7677090) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 11:12 AM Author: insecure slimy faggotry Unless the discussion is about child molestation, their are no morals on xoxo.
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Date: February 27th, 2007 3:11 PM Author: boyish nighttime potus that's ridiculous. bigtex, a white guy, got into michigan by claiming he was mexican. he didn't even speak spanish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7678787) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 3:18 PM Author: insecure slimy faggotry And what about the "African American" chick who was just a white girl whose family lived in Africa? Didn't she benefit from AA and get away with it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7678851) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 9:41 AM Author: chartreuse laser beams dopamine the same people who support AA say that race is a cultural construct without scientific basis. i see this idiocy all the time. so who can complain if you say you're african or native american?
http://www.eraseracismny.org/html/whatis/race_is_not_a_scientific_term.php
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Date: February 27th, 2007 9:41 AM Author: Histrionic doobsian principal's office I have saved this thread to .html and will shortly be sending it to every top 25 law school admissions office. Might have no effect but hopefully it will keep morally reprehensible assholes from cheating an admissions system that is already ass-backwards. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7677134) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 11:36 AM Author: Sinister Parlour Subject: you're a fucking moron OH NOES!!!11
I guess they'll just have to start denying all URM claims, just to be safe no "imposters" get through.
PS: You forget about the incentive law schools have for admitting even tenuous URM applicants-- they get to add to their diversity numbers. I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of deans responded to you with a big fat "fuck you" letter for doing anything that might discourage an increased number of self-identified American Indians. |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 9:42 AM Author: chrome floppy corner Wouldn't there be a problem if you self-identified differently on e.g. college apps, LSAT, etc? At least I think this would be the easiest way of threatening you, i.e. because of inconsistencies rather than inaccuracies.
I know you can claim to have watched a lot of Clint Eastwood movies in the meantime, but it seems to be a stretch. |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 9:45 AM Author: fighting cordovan hunting ground cuckold Yeah, this is clearly bad flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7677139) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 9:51 AM Author: chrome floppy corner I don't think it's *that* bad because if the self-identification was otherwise consistent, I don't know how a law school is going to go around accusing students of not being black/brown enough. I thought this strategy already worked for BigTex and others, as long as you aren't bizarrely obnoxious like this person: http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=435399&mc=101&forum_id=2#6000045 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7677145) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 10:04 AM Author: fighting cordovan hunting ground cuckold Maybe I just have an abnormally high anxiety level (but given what I know of the legal profession, this seems unlikely) but to me this wouldn't come near being worth the consternation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7677159) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 1:22 PM Author: thirsty public bath Subject: not worth it?? you could get into a t6 with a 158 LSAT or something.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7678145) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 3:39 PM Author: chrome floppy corner Yeah, considering how much all of us bash on TTTs, the payoff seems pretty high. The problem is that people who do not do that great on the LSAT and who hit upon this idea are usually not all that smart. The correct way to do this would be to check the box, don't use the personal statement for making some ridiculous justification, and then shut up about it once you got to HLS or whatever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7678987) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 3:48 PM Author: thirsty public bath ya, the strategy would be to lay low. DONT join the minority student group, dont even TRY to justify or act native american-identified. just be a normal person. DONT make outlandish statements. and DONT apply for minority scholarships or programs, etc.
just check the box. its my impression that the admissions ppl won't have too much contact with ppl at most schools. for example, at my law school i couldnt even tell you who the dean of admissions was. or who was dean of what. and i don't think they had an idea who i was.
just stay out of trouble, lay low, and take your full ride as a native american at a t6 school... LOL |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 3:55 PM Author: Spectacular fiercely-loyal macaca Subtle Chicago troll. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7679067) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 3:56 PM Author: sooty state old irish cottage or just go to the best school you get into w/out a scholarship. taking the $$ would be likely to draw attention. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7679071) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 4:00 PM Author: thirsty public bath i thought about this. i got a merit scholarship for law school and went to some stupid reception they had for it that spring. i imagine they had such receptions for minorities too... the thing is, they cant make you go.
the big problem would be if a scholarship was endowed by a person... like the Chief Whatever scholarship for Native Americans at XYZ Law School. I remember in UG I had a named scholarship... endowed by some doctor who had gone to Princeton in like the 40s. I was supposed to write him a letter and thank him, etc., and I did so.
I imagine that if a native american got a named scholarship, there might be more questions asked if the person was totally white and had a last name of Smith or something. |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 10:01 AM Author: citrine swashbuckling new version I'd be careful with this one...
I have a Filipino friend with a Spanish last name who decided he was 'Latino' in college to get scholarships for Latino students. His school found out about the scam and SEVERELY reprimanded him.
His defense? 'The Phillipines were colonized by Spain just like Latin America' |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 11:37 AM Author: Sinister Parlour if it wasn't an ABA law school I could give two shits. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7677479) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 12:30 PM Author: Greedy medicated jewess bawdyhouse You are such a retard. If you think any school who discovers a misrepresentation doesn't have extremely abrasive methods of recourse, you really shouldn't be studying law. I hope you are not going to be a lawyer.
P.S. you can show that someone does not self identify with an ethnicity through a blended showing that (i) they do not belong biologically to that ethnicity, (ii) they do not have a significant famiial connection to that ethnicity and (iii) they have not formed social connections to people of that ethnicity. Also, it would be perceived as a manifest fraud if the person had no cause to show that they lived and endured the struggle identified with that particular ethnicity, and you would be an idiot to try to make that point fly past law school administration. Also, I have never met ONE person who has tried to claim that they belonged to an ethnicity because they read a lot of books, etc., about people of that ethnicity. This is because most law school applicants possess the gift of common sense. Oh, and some survival skills. |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 1:24 PM Author: thirsty public bath Subject: ward churchill pulled it off in academia for years... i think a law student could pull it off for 3. just lay low and don't ever give the faculty or admins a reason to get to know you or anything like that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7678163) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 3:06 PM Author: Sinister Parlour Subject: My sperm has more brain cells than you. (I),(ii) and (iii) have no grounding in any official ABA standard. Just because you pull shit-rules from your ass and put roman numerals in front of them doesn't mean they actually exist.
I just fucking called LSAC, told them I was doing research on Affirmative Action, and read off your "disqualifiers" verbatim-- with the exception that I replaced "ethnicity" with "American Indian". I then asked:
"If these three things were true about an applicant, and they still self-identified as American Indian, would they be breaking any rules?"
She was initially confused, but then I clarified that the applicant would theoretically never publicly claim to lie about the self-identification. She put me on hold, and then said this (again verbatim):
"We don't have any 'race' rules. If you feel like you're a certain race for whatever reason, you can mark down that race. Does that answer your question?"
Does that answer your question, you stupid slut?
Don't believe me? Call yourself. |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 3:09 PM Author: insecure slimy faggotry I <3 you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7678780) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 4:01 PM Author: Mind-boggling Senate Even if this is true in theory, I don't believe it would fly in practice. I could be wrong -- but when I see that this has been pulled off successfully, then I'll believe that you're correct.
But I'd bet dollars to donuts that you don't have the stones to try and pull a scam like this. So what's your fucking point? |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 11:48 PM Author: Vigorous Amethyst Heaven Twinkling Uncleanness that why it would work. SELECTS FOR STONES. if you have the stones, do it, and don't act like a schmuck then you're solid material for biglaw... a true self-serving asshole willing to press the letter of the law beyond common sense when it is spelled out to benefit him. and the reason they are not worried is because none of us really do have those stones to do it. and if you have submitted race to your UG or lsac or on lsat and its not what you say on app's I do think they'd look at you suspiciously. if you worked in finance or something they'll reject you. but if you worked nonprofit and shit and called yourself a latino you'd be in. I wish I had as an italian with an anglo last name. "self-identify" is a psychological question. if you self-identify for a stupid reason besides biology or parents, your sanity, personality, and sense are subject to question, though, I suppose.
I guess wiggers or as good as in, huh? |
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Date: February 28th, 2007 9:37 AM Author: Flushed Bull Headed Kitchen this is why someone needs to front the money for a few test cases. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7683646) |
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Date: February 28th, 2007 9:36 AM Author: Flushed Bull Headed Kitchen bad flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7683642) |
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Date: February 28th, 2007 9:38 AM Author: Flushed Bull Headed Kitchen one can read, listen to music, take the religion, etc. and never have even met someone of that ethnicity and self-identify. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7683651) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 10:09 AM Author: rusted mentally impaired yarmulke tanning salon CANCEL! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7677169) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 1:15 PM Author: Black Tank why don't you just study for the fucking lsat? it's not that hard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7678095) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 1:26 PM Author: brilliant double fault address TITCR. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7678178) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 3:12 PM Author: boyish nighttime potus because even people with 180s get rejected or get no money from top schools, there isn't any reason to not take a free boost by just checking a box on an app (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7678803) |
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Date: February 28th, 2007 3:45 AM Author: pale painfully honest indian lodge what does this post have to do with ties? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7683354) |
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Date: February 28th, 2007 9:01 AM Author: Henna Set Many are just taking cheap dna tests too attempt to find a trace of urm dna in their backgrounds.
DNA test can be > LSAT & you don't have study. |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 3:52 PM Author: Spectacular fiercely-loyal macaca Dont be stupid. You will get caught. The risk isnt worth going to Harvard as a URM instead of Michigan as a white. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7679046) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 3:57 PM Author: insecure slimy faggotry Subject: Quit being such a vagina. Becoming a big lawyer takes BALLS! If you want something you've got to TAKE IT! That philosophy has certianly worked well in my dating career (except for that one incident in Oregon, but I was 17 at the time so it is sealed... and actually, that other incident in Thailand... but a bribe took care of that... ah, Thailand...)
Anyway, I am all set to claim my new Inuit "self-identity".
Now which personal statement do you think carries more weight:
1) Living in an igloo with my dog "Makes-Good-Soup" (I think you can see how this story ends...)
2) Exploring the inner conflict of believing very strongly in animal rights, while at the same time taking great pleasure in harpooning the shit out of Narwhales. |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 4:01 PM Author: Spectacular fiercely-loyal macaca Is HLS over Michigan really worth risking your entire career over? If we were talking cooley vs HLS itd be one thing but we're not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7679097) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 4:05 PM Author: insecure slimy faggotry Sorry, hit the "post" buttong before I was ready (see, I am a MAN OF ACTION).
Becoming a big lawyer takes BALLS! If you want something you've got to TAKE IT! That philosophy has certianly worked well in my dating career (except for that one incident in Oregon, but I was 17 at the time so it is sealed... and actually, that other incident in Thailand... but a bribe took care of that... ah, Thailand...)
Anyway, I am all set to claim my new Inuit "self-identity".
Now which personal statement do you think carries more weight:
1) Living in an igloo with my dog "Makes-Good-Soup" (I think you can see how this story ends...)
2) Exploring the inner conflict of believing very strongly in animal rights, while at the same time taking great pleasure in harpooning the shit out of Narwhales. |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 4:13 PM Author: thirsty public bath i dont think we're talking HLS vs UMich.
i think as a native american you could get a t6 with ~158 LSAT ... meaning that you're talking CLS vs Brooklyn or HLS vs U of Tennessee. stuff like that. 158's wont even get you into some tier 2 schools. and it wouldnt get you into even Fordham in NYC, nor BU in Boston, nor GWU, GMU, or American in DC. |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 11:59 PM Author: Vigorous Amethyst Heaven Twinkling Uncleanness 158? maybe that has happened. they'd have to have real good grades, though, right? but is a 168/3.0 native american even a lock at Harvard/Stanford/Columbia?
if had a shitty LSAT and was looking at being locked out from tier 1, then I'd spend some time living with and identifying with minorities.... Oh wait! I already did that, year on poor indian reservation, year in asia, year in harlem. Wrote about it, but I'm far too honest to check a box. Even though I grew up being made to feel like a black just because I was a bastard Italian in a nice town. this ABA AA policy and the clamoring to slurp minorities is really a joke. what is the benefit of a law school being ethnically diverse, anyway? I'm a bleeding heart liberal, but as long as the city and school are racially diverse and the classroom has a diverse group of personalities, geography, experiences, then you have diversity. there is no reason for there to be more than the quanititatively deserving blacks, AmerInds, etc at YHS. Poors of all races should be given a lot of credit for overcoming that... but race checked in a box is complete bull shit. especially when on basis of self-identification. every asian dude at my UG back in 2000 thought they were black... maybe thats how columbia, cal and stanford got so yellow? |
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Date: February 28th, 2007 8:06 AM Author: Greedy medicated jewess bawdyhouse I think that the axiological justification for AA is still correcting past discrimination, even though the justices have dressed it up as a diversity move. The theory of remedies for past injustices is too much of a Pandora's box (consider the clamor for compensatory redress for slavery). When you think about it, creating diversity in law schools and therefore in the legal field is redress without calling it that per se, since if you have more minority lawyers, you have more upper middle class minorities. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7683513) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 4:04 PM Author: Nubile Resort Jew just because your ancestors raped slaves doesn't mean you're black. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7679115) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 4:06 PM Author: insecure slimy faggotry Apparently it does if you identify with the slaves that were raped more than with your ancestors... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7679130) |
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Date: February 27th, 2007 11:51 PM Author: Vigorous Amethyst Heaven Twinkling Uncleanness as well it should (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=586831&forum_id=2#7682312) |