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Date: March 31st, 2012 9:14 PM Author: Racy Degenerate Rehab I read an article published by a journal.
in the middle of the article, a paragraph begins as follows:
"And while ....."
this is not proper english, is it?
I was astonished.... it was supposed to be a first-rate journal. |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 9:17 PM Author: Zippy Federal International Law Enforcement Agency Spot It's fine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357418) |
Date: March 31st, 2012 9:15 PM Author: metal territorial lay kitty cat y not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357412) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 9:18 PM Author: Snowy fluffy set water buffalo and while OP is faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357421) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 9:20 PM Author: Racy Degenerate Rehab i am talking about this article http://res.oxfordjournals.org/content/61/251/591.full
the author is ESL but the article had gone through rounds of editing.... before it went to print. some sentences need to be rewritten. |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 9:22 PM Author: Zippy Federal International Law Enforcement Agency Spot It's not a pretty sentence, but it's fine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357437) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 9:22 PM Author: Crawly Wagecucks Ladyboy what's the problem? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357440) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 9:23 PM Author: Vibrant awkward national old irish cottage It's correct; it's just not correct stylistically. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357442) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 9:25 PM Author: Racy Degenerate Rehab thats my point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357445) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 9:25 PM Author: Vibrant awkward national old irish cottage Okay then. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357446) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 9:57 PM Author: Snowy fluffy set water buffalo please avoid the use of semicolons when a period will suffice (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357537) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 10:32 PM Author: histrionic jewess credited
i cant stand writers who use semi-colons liberally |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 9:26 PM Author: Racy Degenerate Rehab another thing that bugged me was his use of "the professions".
can you use "the professions" to refer to certain jobs? or must you specify what those professions are before describing them as "the professions"? |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 9:27 PM Author: Vibrant awkward national old irish cottage Are you ESL? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357452) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 9:32 PM Author: Racy Degenerate Rehab not really. moved to the US at 6. I found it strange that a journal would publish something that contains so many stylistically incorrect sentences.
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Date: March 31st, 2012 9:35 PM Author: metal territorial lay kitty cat "the professions" is a douchey way to refer to a specific subset of jobs, yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357473) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 9:41 PM Author: Racy Degenerate Rehab but in an academic essay, one should first define what those professions are, instead of assuming that readers have the requisite knowledge or have the douchey mindset as the writer or the society he's describing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357491) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 9:42 PM Author: metal territorial lay kitty cat nah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357494) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 9:43 PM Author: Racy Degenerate Rehab tell me, what are these professions? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357499) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 11:16 PM Author: exhilarant home YOU ARE ESL faggot. Never forget it. FOB. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357916) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 11:17 PM Author: bonkers hell he probably uses it better than you do, rudolph (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357925) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 9:38 PM Author: Vigorous roommate center it's acceptable journalistically -- but a lot of thinngs acceptable journalistically amount to SPS writing, IMO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357485) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 10:04 PM Author: bonkers hell Subject: um, stuff in journals and journalism aren't the same (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357565) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 10:19 PM Author: thriller garnet place of business striped hyena lmao
180 pwnage of that dumb bitch |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 10:30 PM Author: Dull Genital Piercing who is dumb (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357664) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 10:34 PM Author: bonkers hell is that a redundancy or are you asking a question? the chink is saying jules is dumb (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357687) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 10:55 PM Author: Vigorous roommate center who was referring to journals?
i was saying simply that within the world of journalism it's ok, but it may nonetheless be SPS. |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 10:56 PM Author: bonkers hell um, the OP said he saw it in a "journal" in his first post. later he linked to oxfordjournals. this isn't journalism (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357795) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 10:57 PM Author: Vigorous roommate center i know that - what i mean is that i was making a point aside from whether it's ok within journals, specifically. i.e.-in journalism it might be considered ok. period. no reference to journals, specifically, on my part.
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Date: March 31st, 2012 10:59 PM Author: bonkers hell wait, so if OP had been like, "I read this sentence in John Rawls's A Theory of Justice, is that correct English," it would be in any way a sensical response to say, "well, it's correct for journalistic purposes"? Yeah, I mean, it might also be correct for talking in the New Orleans ghetto purposes but we're not talking about those purposes, are we? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357810) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 11:03 PM Author: Vigorous roommate center that's not analogous, because journalism is an example of a common/widely-accepted format for which there are stringent guidelines of usage and acceptability("formal, correct english"). furthermore, it evinces a situation where even if usage guidelines are adhered to (i.e." formal, correct english"), the net result may still be SPS. one need not specifically and strictly refer to journals when discussing "proper, grammatical english", since this is not restricted merely to journals.
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Date: March 31st, 2012 11:05 PM Author: Racy Degenerate Rehab do you think that such usages in this academic journal article are bad, then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357839) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 11:06 PM Author: Vigorous roommate center not in the strict sense; yes in the stylistic sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357849) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 11:09 PM Author: bonkers hell you're not buying my defense of and while? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357866) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 11:05 PM Author: bonkers hell oh okay, so you're saying journalistic english IS correct English, just not necessarily well-written English. I see. well on that note, rate her:
http://ashleysky.tumblr.com/ |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 11:07 PM Author: Vigorous roommate center 8.75-9, but not really my type. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357853) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 11:08 PM Author: bonkers hell why not? 34 inch hips to 22 inch waist not enough of a ratio for you? maybe this is a better-edited collection of photos, that's just her blog
http://www.uncoached.com/2012/03/28/shes-uncoachable-ashley-sky-is-just-unfair/ |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 11:10 PM Author: Vigorous roommate center EDIT:
In this second set of pics, I'd say she's 9.25-9.5 |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 11:12 PM Author: bonkers hell face might just be an 8.4 or something, but I don't think you can engineer a better body (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357885) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 11:13 PM Author: Vigorous roommate center she's got a smoking body & very pretty face. i just have a subjective preference for less girlish/more dramatic faces & more muscular legs.
still, she's an 9.5 |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 11:14 PM Author: bonkers hell ah okay. well I have to admit, I missed seeing you on the board yesterday. hope you're feeling kind of better (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357904) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 11:15 PM Author: Vigorous roommate center tytyty
yes, i'm on the mend :) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 11:16 PM Author: bonkers hell oh, well good to know you'll be in a condition to travel to black clubs and such in the upcoming month. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357921) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 10:06 PM Author: chrome free-loading circlehead there's no reason to add "and" before while. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357570) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 10:34 PM Author: bonkers hell in a vacuum, no, but usually the and relates to something in the previous sentence along the same lines as the stuff that follows the while. Like, "Kripke reads Wittgenstein this way. But [that's partly wrong for x reason]. And while Kripke had a point about [y, that point doesn't make his whole reading of W stand up]." If you took the and out, the connection between the two sentences wouldn't be made as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357683) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 10:47 PM Author: Racy Degenerate Rehab I would say the writer of the article does not write very good english. those sentences could have been written in a much better way. |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 10:48 PM Author: bonkers hell there's just nothing wrong with and while. maybe there's something wrong with other parts of the sentences. you can post them and i'll comment (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357755) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 10:51 PM Author: Racy Degenerate Rehab you can skim over the entire work. there are ill-constructed sentences. |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 10:52 PM Author: bonkers hell how about you somehow post the part at issue? edit: I see it. I wouldn't start a para that way. but you seem ESL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357768) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 10:54 PM Author: Racy Degenerate Rehab in the sense that i came to the us when i was 6. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357782) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 10:55 PM Author: bonkers hell see, we guessed it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357786) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 10:33 PM Author: histrionic jewess left out a comma probably (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912963&forum_id=2#20357681) |