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Date: December 3rd, 2005 2:12 PM Author: Canary Fighting Selfie
i will pwn all you bitches. every single one of you.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4449177) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 2:16 PM Author: Canary Fighting Selfie
more like 120K
but either way, the average UCLA MBA makes about $400K in total comp 10 years out
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4449221) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 5:26 PM Author: Canary Fighting Selfie
and a 150k bonus.
have a nice day, homo.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4450750) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 2:24 PM Author: Silver son of senegal
then show me the data for "10 years out" of BOTH HLS and Anderson graduates instead of making empty claims, since I've given a link to solid data
edit: I'm also applying to one biz school, but i'd never make a claim such as yours. Knowing the brilliant classmates at HLS I have, I know they will do really well and i'm in a luckier situation to have met them in a setting where we actually discuss topics we care about, rather than networking and knowing that your classmates might be judging you based on your networking-worthiness
That is why I'm not wasting two years in the U.S. going to biz school and am going to Europe for one year programs
By the way, I'm also only applying to INSEAD (maybe also IMD), a 10-month program. The entry requirement includes a foreign language other than English though.
http://www.mbamap.com/mba-careers/mba-salaries.htm
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4449318) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 5:37 PM Author: Hateful becky
I make about as much as the median UCLA person in real estate. I learned everything on the job or in econ in UG.
I guess that shows that MBAs aren't worth much in terms of education.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4450914)
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 2:26 PM Author: Pearly Trip Rigpig
*weeps*
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4449332) |
Date: December 3rd, 2005 2:28 PM Author: very tactful police squad pervert
enjoy unemployment
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4449343) |
Date: December 3rd, 2005 3:07 PM Author: ivory love of her life dysfunction
idiot.
mba = joke
in the real world
quit talking.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4449537) |
Date: December 3rd, 2005 3:21 PM Author: Boyish public bath cuckold
Every BB banker is more prestigious than every practicing lawyer.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4449644) |
Date: December 3rd, 2005 4:38 PM Author: thriller brindle kitty cat scourge upon the earth
HLS has produced more Fortune 500 CEOs than UCLA's bschool. HTFH.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4450363) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 6:06 PM Author: thriller brindle kitty cat scourge upon the earth Subject: False.
Put up a credible link. That figure is bogus and you full well know it.
Wharton undergrads who get MBAs don't even make an average of 400K 10 years out, thus there is no reason to think the TTTs of UCLA do better. This is also to say nothing of the median (which is lower) and the fact that the people who actually respond to these surveys are much more likely to have higher salaries (and even be employed) than those who don't.
http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/wharton/surveys/WhartonAlumniSurveyReport.pdf
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4451217) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 6:14 PM Author: Silver son of senegal
and these only include data from people who responded
edit: by the way, good job, i usually don't respond to flame, but it's good to remember this thread with solid proof
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4451281) |
Date: December 3rd, 2005 4:41 PM Author: diverse state
"the average UCLA MBA makes about $400K in total comp 10 years out"
Average?
I hope you don't actually believe this.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4450383) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 5:30 PM Author: Hateful becky
You've never been able to give a cite.
Funny that.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4450813)
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 5:33 PM Author: Hateful becky
You said that before. You never followed through.
Why don't you just get the cite off the brochure or whatever and post it?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4450859) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 5:58 PM Author: Canary Fighting Selfie
maybe.
still have to hit the gym and then i have a prestigious date tonight.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4451134) |
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Date: December 10th, 2005 7:01 PM Author: Soul-stirring New Version Degenerate
He's got a prestigious date tonight [Buzz]
alright, a date [Buzz]
dinner with friends [Buzz]
dinner alone [Buzz]
watching tv alone [Buzz]
alright, he's ogling the ladies in the Victoria's secret catalogue [Buzz]
... Sears catalogue [Ding!]
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4520946) |
Date: December 3rd, 2005 5:27 PM Author: Know-it-all splenetic station
But does UCLA MBA >>>>>> NU JD?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4450760) |
Date: December 3rd, 2005 5:35 PM Author: well-lubricated school queen of the night
"you're not including bonuses"
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/mba/brief/mbarank_brief.php
the average starting salary and bonus for the top 3 schools is between $105,000 and $110,000. In light of that fact I find it highly unlikely that UCLA's MBA grads (or any school that would take you for that matter) average $120,000 their first year.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4450880) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 5:38 PM Author: Silver son of senegal
See my above post with direct link to UCLA's data, which is probably manipulated with, and it shows about $105,000
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4450934)
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 5:37 PM Author: Silver son of senegal
Dude, I think it's respectable to want to change career, but your attitude sucks.
The thing is, if you can't be successful with a T14 JD degree, you'll likely not succeed even with an HBS degree.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4450905) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 5:45 PM Author: Silver son of senegal
i'm talking about your attitude on this board. I know people are nasty on here, but at least 174 et al. are funny and witty in their nastiness.
Your incessant, unsubstantiated recitations about how much people make just annoy me, that's all. I challenged you to find proof, but all you have told us is "some businessweek article." Are you sure it wasn't the BW message board? I even linked to the UCLA brochure that shows you exaggerated the first year numbers, so why don't you come back here only when you can prove something?
i don't mean to be mean myself, but i'm just a bit annoyed
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4451014) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 5:54 PM Author: Silver son of senegal
i'm certain most people don't consider it a dream job..... you're underestimating people
for example, i know quite a few people at HLS who are going to Goldman, McKinsey (split with top NY firm), etc. I also know a critical mass of people who will be working overseas with highly connected folks
it's how you use your degree not what kind of degree you have.... many of the people figure this out when they're at HLS and know that the degree opens many doors rather than channel them to just one profession
Edit: I only cited GS and McKinsey because they appeal the most to MBAs. Personally I'd rather do something else
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4451109) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 5:58 PM Author: Canary Fighting Selfie
wno matter how many people at hls are going to mckinsey, goldman, etc.., it will still be far less than the number coming from any decent b-school. Of course, MBAs can't become lawyers, but who the hell wants that?
the bottom line = only go to law school if you want to be a lawyer. if you want to be a banker, there are far more effective ways to do this.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4451129) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 6:08 PM Author: Silver son of senegal
http://www.businessweek.com/@@CnerPIcQZsn21hcA/bschools/04/full_time_profiles/ucla3.htm
There were 5 UCLA MBAs who got offers from McKinsey
I know 4 HLSers who got offers from McKinsey from my section alone (about 75 people), and that's just of the people I know. They're also ramping up recruitment at HLS more and more each year. One recruiter said "HBSers usually overestimate their ability, and HLSers underestimate theirs."
Edit: not to mention these HLSers I know are 2Ls who are getting "internships." Probably more 3Ls can also get offers from McKinsey. The "internship" data for UCLA MBA doesn't look that great.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4451233) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 6:32 PM Author: Silver son of senegal
McKinsey and Goldman are considered to top jobs in the typical MC and IB markets.
UCLA had 5 McKinsey and 2 Goldman. I highly doubt the yield rates for those two were very low. Probably more than 50%.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4451414) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 6:30 PM Author: Silver son of senegal
I didn't say that. Read above.
But GS or McKinsey isn't typically available to UCLA MBAs either
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4451398) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 6:38 PM Author: Silver son of senegal
I guess I don't have that, but neither do you have evidence the other way (i.e. low yield)
The only evidence we have is that there are 5 McKinsey, 3 Bain, no BCG, and 2 Goldman hires
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4451474) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 6:30 PM Author: thriller brindle kitty cat scourge upon the earth Subject: Re:
If you think a typical UCLA MBA student has a decent chance at GS or McKinsey, you're fucking kidding yourself much more.
At least at HLS or another top 6, the competition for these positions will be much less stiff since there a far fewer people will even be attempting to get these positions whereas at any B-school, you're competing with your whole class. The HLS name should easily be good enough to get a person into the door, someone whose done their research and interviews well shouldn't have much of a problem.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4451399)
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 6:39 PM Author: thriller brindle kitty cat scourge upon the earth
Yes, but that "subset" is a lot larger at any bschool than at HLS.
"Secondly, MBAs are a known commodity, much more so than HLSers."
As someone whose worked in both biglaw and private equity, and dealt with many bankers, I'm pretty certain that HLS has more alumni at top levels of Goldman and Mckinsey than UCLA's bschool. I haven't seen these "phantom alumni" of UCLA's MBA school going most of Goldman's deals. The Goldman guys who have MBAs are disproportionately likely to be from Wharton, Columbia, or HBS.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4451485) |
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Date: December 10th, 2005 5:38 PM Author: Mauve heaven
Nope. I know two people that have TURNED IT DOWN! You forget, many people don't even want that job!
If you can do a case interview even half as well as the business school folks, you have a decent shot.
Sorry to burst your bubble! Enjoy UCLA!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4520174) |
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Date: December 10th, 2005 5:41 PM Author: Mauve heaven
Nice to see how foolish you and that you can't see countervailing facts. This goes to show that you haven't a fucking clue what you are talking about. You'd fit right in at the Bush Administration! Weapons of mass destruction? not there? NAH - You're just making it up!
Still itching for that MBA at UCLA over that HLS JD? Didn't think so.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4520198) |
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Date: December 10th, 2005 5:42 PM Author: Canary Fighting Selfie
"Still itching for that MBA at UCLA over that HLS JD"
in a second
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4520202) |
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Date: December 10th, 2005 5:43 PM Author: Mauve heaven
Still itchin to go free the Iraqis from tyranny?
Come on man, there are weapons of mass destruction over there!
No you say? Bullshit - you are just making it up!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4520207) |
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Date: December 14th, 2005 8:17 PM Author: Shivering Office Dog Poop Subject: You will never do anything with your life
This coming from somebody who will not be a law student, and will attend an MBA school superior to UCLA.
hth.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4562760) |
Date: December 3rd, 2005 6:18 PM Author: massive boistinker
Does anyone else feel like the "UCLA 400k 10 yr out Businessweek Handout"' is to XOXO what Marcellus Wallace's briefcase was to Pulp Fiction?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4451308) |
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Date: December 7th, 2005 4:59 PM Author: blue angry hissy fit
why does everyone here so desperately need the assurance that they just happen to be doing the best, most lucrative thing in the world?
and somehow i doubt this path was a smooth and certain as is suggested:
"I could easily continue with my biglaw job, make my 200k a year and keep going until they tell me I won't make partner."
among everyone i've seen leave at the same stage, quite the opposite was true.
but, of course, no one here has ever sucked at something and then moved onto something else, or gone to a 10th or 20th best school that isn't extraordinary in some hidden way. perhaps it's just a matter of attending "mba fairs."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4489395) |
Date: December 3rd, 2005 6:37 PM Author: well-lubricated school queen of the night
Joe, I know you're really busy benching 400 pounds and trying to dupe women from the internet to fuck you in spite of the fact that you're ugly...but how about that link?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4451471) |
Date: December 4th, 2005 11:19 AM Author: ocher kitchen hunting ground Subject: still waiting...
time to let someone else use that stairmaster! still waiting for that data...
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4457490) |
Date: December 7th, 2005 2:14 PM Author: Hateful becky
Still working on that scan?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4487576) |
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Date: December 7th, 2005 4:36 PM Author: Canary Fighting Selfie
actually in boston right now visiting prestigious b-schools.
do you know that HBS has 32 buildings! That's like an entire college campus.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4489140) |
Date: December 9th, 2005 7:16 AM Author: Jade lettuce main people
where is the scan you sand nigger
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4506740) |
Date: December 9th, 2005 6:16 PM Author: drab glittery institution
This is like saying a UCLA BA > HLS JD.
No.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4511228) |
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Date: December 10th, 2005 5:27 PM Author: Canary Fighting Selfie
what's so hard to understand?
bankers' compensation >>> lawyers' compensation
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4520123) |
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Date: December 14th, 2005 9:20 PM Author: Shivering Office Dog Poop Subject: But you are clearly too fucking stupid to understand:
law school --> lawyer
business school != banker
Enjoy your
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4563512) |
Date: December 9th, 2005 11:43 PM Author: Charismatic electric furnace
why the fuck did you do LS
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4515179) |
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Date: December 10th, 2005 5:28 PM Author: Canary Fighting Selfie
bored with my job. thought it was a "cool" idea.
basically the reason why most people continue to go to ls.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4520127) |
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Date: December 10th, 2005 5:31 PM Author: Mauve heaven
similar reasons to why you are going to business school. Brilliant! I'm sure the MBA will be as rewarding for you!
Enjoy the bullshit sales job.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4520145) |
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Date: December 10th, 2005 5:39 PM Author: Mauve heaven
I'm sure you'll enjoy your middle class existence and getting pwned by MD's for 3 years before quiting after whining that your job isn't "cool" anymore!
Of course, that assumes you will get one of those jobs, when you actually will probably go into sales, fail miserably, and "start your own business" to save face.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4520186) |
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Date: December 14th, 2005 5:06 PM Author: razzle-dazzle windowlicker
Joe's right about the average Anderson MBA making > $410k/year 10 years post-MBA (unless Anderson is pumping out bullshit, which is certainly possible).
http://www.anderson.ucla.edu/x3140.xml
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4560986) |
Date: December 12th, 2005 3:54 PM Author: Canary Fighting Selfie
any other lawyer fucks who want to get pwned?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4539341) |
Date: December 14th, 2005 7:52 PM Author: Rusted vibrant factory reset button
http://www.anderson.ucla.edu/x3140.xml
let's acknowledge that this study does exist. joe vag was not lying.
rip apart the study if you must, rip apart his decision to pursue an mba if you think it's foolish, attack his personality if you don't like him... but apparently the attacks above concerning whether the survey exists were unfounded.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4562495)
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Date: December 17th, 2005 4:39 PM Author: Canary Fighting Selfie
bump for the law suckers
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#4590497) |
Date: March 1st, 2006 5:12 PM Author: Canary Fighting Selfie
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#5218912) |
Date: March 1st, 2006 5:13 PM Author: Fluffy sapphire hell turdskin
Joe vag for president 2008.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#5218926) |
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Date: March 1st, 2006 6:06 PM Author: Silver son of senegal
that's pretty good. congratulations
edit: it's no UCLA though
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#5219348) |
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Date: March 1st, 2006 6:09 PM Author: Silver son of senegal
you might be classmates w/ my college roommate, who is quite brilliant.
he only applied to Stern
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#5219380) |
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Date: March 1st, 2006 6:14 PM Author: Silver son of senegal
someone asked me that question the other day as well.......
he wants to live in NYC, and i want to live in europe
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#5219408) |
Date: May 23rd, 2006 12:22 PM Author: Burgundy Federal Base Personal Credit Line
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#5837943) |
Date: May 23rd, 2006 12:30 PM Author: Navy exciting ladyboy
My lawn mower, Jeronimo, has a UCLA mba.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#5837971) |
Date: May 23rd, 2006 1:03 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Vermilion Persian Background Story
Seems like being a laywer isn't all that, since we have Joe and chiashu both coming out of law school going back into b-school.
Should I rethink my career goals?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#5838119) |
Date: June 2nd, 2006 12:36 PM Author: Burgundy Federal Base Personal Credit Line
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#5893537) |
Date: July 28th, 2006 4:11 PM Author: slippery sanctuary people who are hurt
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#6324067) |
Date: July 28th, 2006 4:41 PM Author: Bearded wagecucks stag film
Joe-Vaj owned all of you.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#6324288) |
Date: January 16th, 2007 11:53 PM Author: Indecent idiot
bump for back office
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#7434079) |
Date: January 17th, 2007 12:03 AM Author: plum arousing blood rage home
Hahahaha
Average! I would hope a business school would know better, especially concerning a variable with a huge skew to one side.
Douchetastic.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#7434177) |
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Date: January 17th, 2007 12:13 AM Author: Indecent idiot
ucla mba > hls jd
never forget
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#7434267) |
Date: January 17th, 2007 12:23 AM Author: House-broken Wonderful School Cafeteria Cuck
I believe that the employment at graduation is only about 75% at UCLA MBA. Anyone have access to the USNews number? The UCLA employment pdf linked to above says 95%, but it also says only 78% are seeking employment -- which you know is bullshit. 95%*78% = 74%
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#7434359) |
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Date: January 17th, 2007 12:29 AM Author: Big Idea He Suggested
***Salary Stats:
Class of 2005†
Number of graduates: 327
Number of graduates seeking jobs: 258 (78.9%)
Number of job seekers accepting jobs by three months after graduation:94.2%
Base Salary by Occupation
Marketing/sales (62 reporting): $80,811 (average), $40,000 (low), $120,000 (high)
Operations/production (3 reporting): $71,667 (average), $22,000 (low), $100,000 (high)
General management (13 reporting): $94,031 (average), $71,900 (low), $150,000 (high)
Finance/accounting (85 reporting): $93,736 (average), $40,000 (low), $160,000 (high)
Consulting (39 reporting): $105,934 (average), $62,000 (low), $155,000 (high)
Other (40 reporting): $86,397 (average), $24,000 (low), $130,000 (high)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#7434414) |
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Date: January 19th, 2007 9:20 AM Author: plum arousing blood rage home
Far more likely scenario.
Good point.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#7448127) |
Date: July 17th, 2007 8:27 PM Author: Infuriating aromatic puppy skinny woman
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#8398859) |
Date: September 15th, 2008 10:28 PM Author: 180 white principal's office
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#10165647) |
Date: October 10th, 2008 11:47 PM Author: Lemon Menage
how's this working out for you, joe?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#10248558) |
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Date: October 10th, 2008 11:57 PM Author: Cerebral hall brethren Subject: Nice bump
My favorite line was: "Every BB banker is more prestigious than every practicing lawyer."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=311093&forum_id=2#10248586)
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