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So Kaavya's a plagiarist. What OTHER frauds @ Kramer Levin LLP?

http://www.kramerlevin.com/Offices/OfficeDetail.aspx?office=...
Ungodly charismatic athletic conference property
  03/28/15
how'd she get 2 clerkships? judges didnt know about who she ...
Irate Center
  03/28/15
damn, the googlefu is weak with these ones Clerkships -...
Ungodly charismatic athletic conference property
  03/28/15
she probably was the perfect clerk. just cut and pasted from...
Irate Center
  03/28/15
maybe she got all the immigration and sentencing appeals
supple bespoke school place of business
  03/28/15
cr. what kind of shit article iii judges hired her. she al...
supple bespoke school place of business
  03/28/15
She graduated Magna Cum Laude. She did pretty well
carnelian bisexual gaming laptop
  03/28/15
lol, every turdskin who shows up graduates "magna"
Ungodly charismatic athletic conference property
  03/28/15
she has pretty good credentials.
Nofapping Spruce Trailer Park Elastic Band
  03/28/15
...
Ungodly charismatic athletic conference property
  03/28/15
(idiot missing the point)
Irate Center
  03/28/15
what's the point?
Nofapping Spruce Trailer Park Elastic Band
  03/28/15
the point is that this bitch managed to bounce back and get ...
Irate Center
  03/28/15
how is that contrary to my simple observation that she has g...
Nofapping Spruce Trailer Park Elastic Band
  03/28/15
(idiot making irrelevant "simple observations" tha...
Irate Center
  03/28/15
you're a weirdly angry faggot. like a bitch who gets angry f...
Hyperactive Kink-friendly Nursing Home
  03/28/15
(guy named 'white power' siding with a TURDSKIN)
Ungodly charismatic athletic conference property
  03/28/15
...
Irate Center
  03/28/15
(weird angry super awkward twitterthug)
startled ultramarine den
  03/28/15
(triple threat homothug who doesn't realize monikers here ar...
startled ultramarine den
  03/28/15
(whokebe)
Ungodly charismatic athletic conference property
  03/28/15
in fact, her resume is probably more impressive than yours.
Nofapping Spruce Trailer Park Elastic Band
  03/28/15
um, no.
Irate Center
  03/28/15
it's possible than yours is more impressive. but since her ...
Nofapping Spruce Trailer Park Elastic Band
  03/28/15
Somehow I doubt "humiliated on the Today show as a liar...
Ungodly charismatic athletic conference property
  03/28/15
tbf, i doubt it's on hers either. I'm not equating good cr...
Nofapping Spruce Trailer Park Elastic Band
  03/28/15
and what do "most of the legal world" think about ...
startled ultramarine den
  03/28/15
they probably aren't a fan.
Nofapping Spruce Trailer Park Elastic Band
  03/28/15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXj5XE3XKk8 hth
Ungodly charismatic athletic conference property
  03/28/15
she has a pretty typical biglaw resume, aside from who she i...
Irate Center
  03/28/15
not even "typical" at v5 to have sdny/coa btw. I ...
Nofapping Spruce Trailer Park Elastic Band
  03/28/15
plenty of people dont bother with clerkships. gulc magna is ...
Irate Center
  03/28/15
1. i disagree with that. v5 takes median throughout the t14,...
Nofapping Spruce Trailer Park Elastic Band
  03/28/15
1. v5 takes median from gulc ITE? i'm not an mfe on ITE recr...
Irate Center
  03/28/15
2. lol - "assuming you want to do something other than ...
Nofapping Spruce Trailer Park Elastic Band
  03/28/15
you're diverting into "litigation sucks" arguments...
Irate Center
  03/28/15
for litigators in major markets, "not bothering" w...
Nofapping Spruce Trailer Park Elastic Band
  03/28/15
i dont know how you can prove objective stupidity here, and ...
Irate Center
  03/28/15
...and MOST don't have glaring plagiarism charges in their p...
Ungodly charismatic athletic conference property
  03/28/15
WAIT ONE SECOND. your telling me there are better ***AND*** ...
Hyperactive Kink-friendly Nursing Home
  03/28/15
no, i'm saying that, aside from who she is, her resume isn't...
Irate Center
  03/28/15
is kramer still primarily a white-collar firm?
Nofapping Spruce Trailer Park Elastic Band
  03/28/15
no, it's just a big firm.
Irate Center
  03/28/15
Practice Areas As of 2011, after careful and deliberate g...
Ungodly charismatic athletic conference property
  03/28/15
can someone explain this?
Thriller National Security Agency
  03/28/15
...
Mewling Dark Goal In Life Cuckold
  03/28/15
...
Filthy antidepressant drug
  02/05/16
have they hired Stephen Glass yet?
arousing hospital stock car
  03/28/15
We gotta email some support for Stephen Glass... Managing...
Ungodly charismatic athletic conference property
  03/28/15
Hmmm...they're usually pretty skittish about controversial a...
Ungodly charismatic athletic conference property
  03/28/15
update: http://www.kramerlevin.com/kviswanathan PAGE N...
Filthy antidepressant drug
  11/15/16
UPDATE: Kaavya got "terminated" in August 2016 O...
Filthy antidepressant drug
  11/23/16
LOL, check out the Bill Ackman TIE IN. XO IS EVERYWHERE!!!
Jet up-to-no-good mother
  01/05/24
Bros, whatever her sins were, she's clearly paid for them te...
Marvelous Khaki Friendly Grandma
  11/15/16
maybe credited. she seems pretty humiliated here https:...
Filthy antidepressant drug
  11/15/16


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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:15 PM
Author: Ungodly charismatic athletic conference property

http://www.kramerlevin.com/Offices/OfficeDetail.aspx?office=1&view=RelatedAttorneys

Anyone recognize any other liars, frauds, scammers (like Kaavya Viswanathan) on this page?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570198)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:16 PM
Author: Irate Center

how'd she get 2 clerkships? judges didnt know about who she was?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570205)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:18 PM
Author: Ungodly charismatic athletic conference property

damn, the googlefu is weak with these ones

Clerkships

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Honorable Laura Taylor Swain, United States District Court for the Southern District of New York, 2011 - 2013

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Honorable Thomas L. Ambro, United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, 2013 - 2014

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570211)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:20 PM
Author: Irate Center

she probably was the perfect clerk. just cut and pasted from both sides' briefs as needed: "Plaintiff argues [Paste]. Defendant in response argues [Paste]. The law says [Paste]..."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570232)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:22 PM
Author: supple bespoke school place of business

maybe she got all the immigration and sentencing appeals

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570251)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:21 PM
Author: supple bespoke school place of business

cr. what kind of shit article iii judges hired her. she also went to LAW CENTER. It's not like she was some crazy gifted eccentric like Kiwi Camara

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570246)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:23 PM
Author: carnelian bisexual gaming laptop

She graduated Magna Cum Laude. She did pretty well

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570256)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:28 PM
Author: Ungodly charismatic athletic conference property

lol, every turdskin who shows up graduates "magna"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570298)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:18 PM
Author: Nofapping Spruce Trailer Park Elastic Band

she has pretty good credentials.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570216)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:26 PM
Author: Ungodly charismatic athletic conference property



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570286)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:31 PM
Author: Irate Center

(idiot missing the point)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570317)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:36 PM
Author: Nofapping Spruce Trailer Park Elastic Band

what's the point?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570380)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:39 PM
Author: Irate Center

the point is that this bitch managed to bounce back and get 2 judges and a biglaw firm to hire her despite being lies&fraud.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570405)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:40 PM
Author: Nofapping Spruce Trailer Park Elastic Band

how is that contrary to my simple observation that she has good legal credentials.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570415)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:42 PM
Author: Irate Center

(idiot making irrelevant "simple observations" that miss the point entirely)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570435)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:46 PM
Author: Hyperactive Kink-friendly Nursing Home

you're a weirdly angry faggot. like a bitch who gets angry for literally no reason. kill yourself and your parents trash faggot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570466)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:47 PM
Author: Ungodly charismatic athletic conference property

(guy named 'white power' siding with a TURDSKIN)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570477)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:47 PM
Author: Irate Center



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570483)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:48 PM
Author: startled ultramarine den

(weird angry super awkward twitterthug)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570488)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:49 PM
Author: startled ultramarine den

(triple threat homothug who doesn't realize monikers here are silly flame)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570495)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:57 PM
Author: Ungodly charismatic athletic conference property

(whokebe)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570553)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:46 PM
Author: Nofapping Spruce Trailer Park Elastic Band

in fact, her resume is probably more impressive than yours.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570473)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:47 PM
Author: Irate Center

um, no.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570481)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:48 PM
Author: Nofapping Spruce Trailer Park Elastic Band

it's possible than yours is more impressive. but since her resume is more impressive than most young lawyers, it is probably more impressive than yours too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570490)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:50 PM
Author: Ungodly charismatic athletic conference property

Somehow I doubt "humiliated on the Today show as a liar" appears on his resume.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570501)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:50 PM
Author: Nofapping Spruce Trailer Park Elastic Band

tbf, i doubt it's on hers either. I'm not equating good credentials with being a good lawyer or good person btw. I'm just recognizing that most of the legal world think that sdny/coa clerkships are impressive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570508)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:52 PM
Author: startled ultramarine den

and what do "most of the legal world" think about fraud/lies?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570523)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:53 PM
Author: Nofapping Spruce Trailer Park Elastic Band

they probably aren't a fan.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570532)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:54 PM
Author: Ungodly charismatic athletic conference property

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXj5XE3XKk8

hth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570537)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:51 PM
Author: Irate Center

she has a pretty typical biglaw resume, aside from who she is. and plenty of biglolyers have better resumes (and plenty have worse).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570511)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:53 PM
Author: Nofapping Spruce Trailer Park Elastic Band

not even "typical" at v5 to have sdny/coa btw. I agree that it's nto so sterling that anyone would be surprised. But that was never my point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570530)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:56 PM
Author: Irate Center

plenty of people dont bother with clerkships. gulc magna is worse than median at v5.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570548)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 2:01 PM
Author: Nofapping Spruce Trailer Park Elastic Band

1. i disagree with that. v5 takes median throughout the t14, and people with good grades from schools worse than gulc.

2. doing litigation is dumb. but for people that have chosen to do litigation, "not bothering" with a clerkship (in the city in which you're working) in a city as pedigree conscious as nyc is objectively stupid. Life calculus changes if you have to move to flyover, of course.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570571)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 2:06 PM
Author: Irate Center

1. v5 takes median from gulc ITE? i'm not an mfe on ITE recruiting, but wtf? how could this be true with the amount of shit that gulc gets?

2. "not bothering" with a clerkship (especially 3 total years of a clerkship) makes financial sense. clerkship won't affect life outcomes for someone with top credentials, assuming you dont want to do govt/academia.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570593)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 2:09 PM
Author: Nofapping Spruce Trailer Park Elastic Band

2. lol - "assuming you want to do something other than gun for partner or leave law altogether."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570615)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 2:11 PM
Author: Irate Center

you're diverting into "litigation sucks" arguments.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570629)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 2:12 PM
Author: Nofapping Spruce Trailer Park Elastic Band

for litigators in major markets, "not bothering" with a clerkship--assuming you don't have to move to bfe--is objectively stupid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570636)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 2:15 PM
Author: Irate Center

i dont know how you can prove objective stupidity here, and this argument is boring me. let's just agree to disagree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570654)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:53 PM
Author: Ungodly charismatic athletic conference property

...and MOST don't have glaring plagiarism charges in their pasts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570533)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:54 PM
Author: Hyperactive Kink-friendly Nursing Home

WAIT ONE SECOND. your telling me there are better ***AND*** worse biglaw resumes out there? WHAT IN THE HOLY FUCK, I HADNT EVEN CONSIDERED THIS POSSIBILITY. MY OUTLOOK HAS, WELL,

CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANGGEEEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570540)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:57 PM
Author: Irate Center

no, i'm saying that, aside from who she is, her resume isn't stellar for biglaw (nor is it bad). it's pretty normal.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570554)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:21 PM
Author: Nofapping Spruce Trailer Park Elastic Band

is kramer still primarily a white-collar firm?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570238)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:27 PM
Author: Irate Center

no, it's just a big firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570293)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:28 PM
Author: Ungodly charismatic athletic conference property

Practice Areas

As of 2011, after careful and deliberate growth, the Firm had nearly 375 lawyers, with 20+ practices including in the areas of white-collar defense, securities litigation, corporate, real estate and land use, intellectual property, Lanham Act litigation, business immigration, employment law, financial services, tax, trust and estates and bankruptcy, some of which are among the strongest in the country. The co-heads of the White Collar practice are Gary P. Naftalis and Barry Berke.

In October 2014, Kramer Levin announced that it had hired Jeffrey Mulligan, former executive director of New York City's Board of Standards and Appeals and a former official of the Department of City Planning, as a planning and development specialist in the firm’s Land Use practice.[7]

Complex Litigation Group

In November 2013, Kramer Levin hired John P. “Sean” Coffey to run its Complex Litigation Group. Coffey had attracted the firm's attention with his “aggressive” defense of Goldman Sachs trader Fabrice Tourre in a Manhattan case brought by the Securities and Exchange Commission. “He had devastating cross-examinations. That is a skill that few people have,” said Kramer Levin partner Barry H. Berke.[8] “We are delighted to have an advocate of his extraordinary ability playing a leading role in our litigation group,” firm co-chair Gary Naftalis said.[9]

Intellectual Property Group

Kramer Levin announced in October 2014 that it had expanded its Intellectual Property Group by hiring Christine Willgoos as special counsel. The firm has “nearly 60 attorneys” working in Intellectual Property.[4]

Drone Group

In December 2013, in response to a suggestion by special counsel Brendan Schulman, Kramer Levin became the first law firm with a drone practice.[10] “It became very clear to me that there was a big need for legal advice in this emerging technology market – not just in litigation, but also for businesses interested in developing the technology,” Schulman explained. One of the first clients of the firm's Unmanned Aircraft Systems Practice Group was Raphael Pirker, who had been fined $10,000 by the Federal Aviation Administration for allegedly flying his drone too low and too close to people while making an aerial video for possible use by the University of Virginia. “The commercialization of small drones will be revolutionary and overwhelmingly beneficial,” Brendan Schulman, special counsel at Kramer Levin, said. “The endless list of applications includes photography and cinematography, search-and-rescue, aerial mapping, disaster response, precision agriculture, wildlife monitoring, pipeline inspection, and so on. Tasks that are particularly expensive or dangerous to conduct with manned aircraft, such as crop-dusting, low-altitude cinematography and power line inspection, can be done more safely and cheaply with drone technology.” In April 2014, the Group represented Texas EquuSearch Mounted Search and Recovery Team, which uses camera-bearing drones to find missing people, in a challenge in the Washington, D.C., circuit to a Federal Aviation Administration directive prohibiting this use of drones.[10] [11] [12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kramer_Levin_Naftalis_%26_Frankel



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570294)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:22 PM
Author: Thriller National Security Agency

can someone explain this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570252)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:34 PM
Author: Mewling Dark Goal In Life Cuckold



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570345)



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Date: February 5th, 2016 4:21 PM
Author: Filthy antidepressant drug



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#29760131)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:29 PM
Author: arousing hospital stock car

have they hired Stephen Glass yet?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570301)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:30 PM
Author: Ungodly charismatic athletic conference property

We gotta email some support for Stephen Glass...

Managing Partner - Kramer Levin

Paul S. Pearlman Partner ppearlman@kramerlevin.com Phone: 212.715.9413 New York



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570309)



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Date: March 28th, 2015 1:29 PM
Author: Ungodly charismatic athletic conference property

Hmmm...they're usually pretty skittish about controversial authors...

Spencer event

Author Robert Spencer was scheduled to speak in April 2012 at the offices of Kramer Levin about his book Did Muhammad Exist? An Inquiry Into Islam’s Obscure Origins, but the firm canceled the event in response to pressure by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). Spencer accused Kramer Levin of taking “the cowardly way out” by “allowing these Islamic supremacists to control the discourse and prevent free people from speaking the truth.” Quoting a letter to CAIR by Kramer Levin Executive Director Nicholas J. Tortorella, who wrote that the firm had not been “aware of the controversy surrounding” Spencer, Spencer suggested that it would have been less controversial for them to allow him to speak.[15]

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#27570304)



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Date: November 15th, 2016 11:45 AM
Author: Filthy antidepressant drug

update:

http://www.kramerlevin.com/kviswanathan

PAGE NOT FOUND

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#31914151)



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Date: November 23rd, 2016 1:54 PM
Author: Filthy antidepressant drug

UPDATE: Kaavya got "terminated" in August 2016

Odds she got fired for plagiarizing briefs?

Anthony Basile et al v. Valeant Pharmaceutical International, Inc. et al

Defendant

William A. Ackman

Represented by:

Kaavya Viswanathan, Kramer Levin Naftalis and Frankel LLP TERMINATED: 08/18/2016

http://www.law360.com/cases/5491bd6fdd5fc72fe8000001

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#31977350)



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Date: January 5th, 2024 8:54 PM
Author: Jet up-to-no-good mother

LOL, check out the Bill Ackman TIE IN. XO IS EVERYWHERE!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#47254558)



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Date: November 15th, 2016 11:46 AM
Author: Marvelous Khaki Friendly Grandma

Bros, whatever her sins were, she's clearly paid for them ten times over.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#31914164)



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Date: November 15th, 2016 11:49 AM
Author: Filthy antidepressant drug

maybe credited. she seems pretty humiliated here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXj5XE3XKk8

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2840884&forum_id=2#31914191)