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Date: June 25th, 2012 7:46 AM Author: Brindle frum point brethren The hole is getting bigger every week. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20953620) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:06 AM Author: Passionate Business Firm Ceo grab your ankles, bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20953669) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:16 AM Author: Massive Silver Digit Ratio Whatever you do, don't look at the paced program assignments for Thursday through Sunday.
Goddamn, do these motherfuckers think we're machines? |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:31 AM Author: Passionate Business Firm Ceo what state are you doing?
i'm behind. im at 56% and the little carrot thing is at 65-70%
wtf
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Date: June 25th, 2012 5:47 PM Author: Lemon friendly grandma place of business I'm at 36% with the little thing at 65-70%
What kind of useless shit are you doing? lectures + cmr + outline + flashcards + mbe questions is all I've done. |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 7:01 PM Author: Topaz blood rage this + a lot of essays is more than enough. i was nervous as fuck but i ended up rocking it. but seriously, a lot of essays. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20956368) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:07 PM Author: Lemon friendly grandma place of business Yeah I'm going to start on essays post July 4th and do two a day. I just don't see the point in essays when I don't have the law down yet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20957273) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:14 PM Author: Brindle frum point brethren How many essays do we need to do? I haven't really started doing essays either (done like 5). And yeah, haven't started because I don't really know any NY state subjects yet (fuck).
Are CMR and outline necessary? Haven't really been doing those either. Just doing lectures, flashcards, and mbes. |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:17 PM Author: Topaz blood rage I am not NY, am another big market state, but am convinced that 15-20 essays each, heavy CMR and MBE drills is all you need. Flashcards to troubleshoot rote memorization points.
EDIT: you are smart, right? |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:19 PM Author: sooty anal main people persian 15 per subject? jesus. do you actually write em out or just outline and compare to the model answer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20957346) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:21 PM Author: Topaz blood rage outline and compare to model answer, it goes quickly. you should be at the point by about july 4 where you immediately realize whether you can issue spot the whole thing.
i'm sure i wrote a few out like a week before the exam to get a feel for timing. |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:24 PM Author: Brindle frum point brethren What? We have 21 subjects in NY. Barbri doesn't even give us that many practice essays.
Do I need to do a lot of CMR stuff? i'm just memorizing the lectures at the moment. |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:25 PM Author: Topaz blood rage everything I needed to do perfect essays was in the CMR. the lectures were a helpful introduction to state subjects I never got in LS (out of state), but were a poor study tool. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20957374) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:26 PM Author: Brindle frum point brethren for mbe subjects did you use the cmr? i feel like the mbe questions are enough to get nuances, but i dunno
also, we have max 130 essays or something from barbri. where would you even get 15-20 essays per subject? or does your state only have 10 subjects? |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:29 PM Author: Topaz blood rage for mbe i:
- went to bonnaroo
- watch lectures
- made initial flashcards off lectures
- drilled some on iphone and chilled for a few days
- filled in gaps in flascards observed through drilling using outline
- read through the main outline 2-3x each for each subject between 7 and 21 days from the bar
- drilled moar
MBE was 165 or 6 |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:33 PM Author: Brindle frum point brethren i meant for mbe subjects is it necessary to do cmr or just for non-mbe subjects? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20957429) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:37 PM Author: Topaz blood rage just non-mbe man
take the drills seriously.
i really miss the bar summer, it is incredible compared to actually what you're working towards |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:38 PM Author: Brindle frum point brethren ok. i hope you don't mean the barbri "drills." because those are pwning me, although the actual barbri sets are going fine.
and you're crazy...i'd rather do mindless work for hours than have to memorize for hours |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:41 PM Author: Passionate Business Firm Ceo the CA bar sample essay answers are murder.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20957508) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:43 PM Author: Brindle frum point brethren are you the dude who has or is taking two states? is california really the hardest bar? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20957535) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:42 PM Author: Topaz blood rage idk man, when I was studying for the bar, I didn't do anything for "hours."
There is just something to be said for being only on your own schedule with SUCH a shitty curve to compete against. It was a great summer: got shredded, saw some great bands, made a lot of money playing poker, spent my last months of freedom with close childhood friends, and pwned the bar.
you can too, brother. don't stress. |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:43 PM Author: Passionate Business Firm Ceo im not even doing all that fun stuff.. i study everyday.
I fucking hate these essays because the sample essays make me feel inferior. |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:28 PM Author: sooty anal main people persian yeah but CMR is only for non-MBE topics breh. The lectures are basically all i have for alot of subjects (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20957396) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 5:48 PM Author: Harsh juggernaut i am at around 8%. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20955968) |
Date: June 25th, 2012 10:47 AM Author: umber cracking kitty cat tanning salon Have you tried lube? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20953888) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 5:47 PM Author: zombie-like becky chad lol sheep (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20955964) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:26 PM Author: Passionate Business Firm Ceo goood idea???? gooood idea??????? .....NEVER!
just be the sheep chopping through the meadow into the corral of PASS.
that's cool... |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:26 PM Author: Curious hunting ground lol @ people freaking out about the essays. you don't need to do full-blown practice essays that are timed and shit. you just need to understand the law and listen to Tara explain how to organize your shit in an essay. it does you no good to plug away doing practice essays with no fucking idea of what you're doing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20957384) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:28 PM Author: Passionate Business Firm Ceo what if i'm too busy drooling at tara? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20957395) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:29 PM Author: Curious hunting ground then you need to get more pussy. she ain't that good looking (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20957403) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:29 PM Author: Passionate Business Firm Ceo lulz (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20957409) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:42 PM Author: Lemon friendly grandma place of business Just did a run of mpq's
12/18 conlaw 14/18 torts 11/18 crim 13/18 prop 10/18 evidence 12/18 K's |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:44 PM Author: Brindle frum point brethren pretty good. is it my imagination or are the "drills" really hard compared to the sets. i think i got 5 on the contracts drill... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20957545) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:46 PM Author: Lemon friendly grandma place of business They seem to be the same for me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20957565) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:51 PM Author: Brindle frum point brethren Weird. I got a 5 in contracts drill. 14 on Sets 3 and 4. 19 on Set 6. I'm all over the place. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20957601) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:53 PM Author: Lemon friendly grandma place of business When did you do them? I tried following barbri's bs self-paced thing and did an mpq set a copule of days after a lecture and got 7/18. But then during the weekend, when we had no lectures, I sat down and spent about 3 hours studying the shit, did an mpq set and ended up with a 13. If you do the drills right after the lecture (as barbri recommends) then maybe that accounts for the variance. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20957619) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:54 PM Author: Brindle frum point brethren I think I did drills right after, but i missed really stupid shit. The others sets were spread out over a period of a week after I studied the material more. Spent a shitload of time doing Set 6 tho. It was practically incomprehensible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20957627) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 10:06 PM Author: Lemon friendly grandma place of business I was told not to do sets 5 and 6 because they're a waste of time and much harder than anything you'll see on the bar.
My problem right now is I do great after I study the material for 3-4 hours, but two days later when I try questions cold I don't do as well. I'd like to not have to wake up before the day of the MBE and study for 3-4 hours. |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 11:07 PM Author: Brindle frum point brethren Same here. I forget exceptions and the more I study other subjects, the less I remember of previous ones. I think it's inevitable that we'll have to study right before the test. Or more likely for me, not sleep at all the night before and study all night... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20958397) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:44 PM Author: Stirring thirsty crackhouse Don't study CON LAW -- the SCOTUS is about to rewrite it. Maybe it'll be dropped from the July MBE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20957541) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:44 PM Author: Passionate Business Firm Ceo LOL I WISH (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20957543) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:45 PM Author: Topaz blood rage what are you having trouble with (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20957549) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:45 PM Author: Passionate Business Firm Ceo CA evidence essays (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20957552) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:46 PM Author: Topaz blood rage make flashcards (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20957559) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:47 PM Author: Passionate Business Firm Ceo I hate flashcards -- utterly useless for me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20957571) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:49 PM Author: Topaz blood rage idk what to tell you bud. you're sort of sounding either hopelessly dumb or too beaten down right now to take advice...leaning towards the latter. maybe take day off to exercise, get outside, let these subjects settle in your mind, give your brain a rest, then get back to it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20957586) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:48 PM Author: Lemon friendly grandma place of business I'm having trouble with this too. I haven't done any essays yet but evidence is the hardest of the 6 MBE subjects for me, and having to memorize CA distinctions on top of that is tough. Like the other poaster said, make flashcards. That's what works for me. I also go section by section through the CMR. Read it, review it, flashcard it, then read it again. Then move to next section. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20957581) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:49 PM Author: Passionate Business Firm Ceo CMR has way too much extra crap in it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20957584) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:50 PM Author: Lemon friendly grandma place of business Right, but it's easy to just disregard that. I read the useless crap, but it's not like I'm making a point to memorize it. However if that random stuff does get tested at least I know I've seen it before. I just stick to "studying" the parts of the CMR that is important. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20957591) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:54 PM Author: Passionate Business Firm Ceo hmm. how do you know which parts are important? I'm trying to go over Evidence Question 2 and the formatting (with headers) is different from what I got.
I wrote LAY WITNESS as one header and underneath i put PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE (another header) and then explained that. what is really bothering me is that my headers are sometimes/always different from the sample answer and this is what is frustrating me!!! |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:55 PM Author: self-centered double fault pocket flask You seem dumb. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20957633) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:56 PM Author: Passionate Business Firm Ceo fuck u dude I already passed another state's bar. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20957648) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 11:12 PM Author: umber cracking kitty cat tanning salon 180 moniker. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20958456) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 10:09 PM Author: Lemon friendly grandma place of business Take conlaw, for example.
You know DP + EP will be heavily tested, so you spend more time on that. With evidence you spend a lot of time on hearsay and its exceptions, but less time on random shit that pops up in the CMR. I don't have it in front of me, but there's always a few things in each CMR section that seem out of place/just tossed in there to cover their bases. This is the shit I just read but don't make any attempt to memorize.
EDIT: The difference between 5th/6th amendment rights is something I'm not spending nights worrying about for evidence. |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 11:53 PM Author: vibrant opaque step-uncle's house travel guidebook it was my least favorite topic other than civ pro but it became one of my favorites. i did flashcards noting the fed rule and the cal distinction (or lack there of). it's a more black/white area so it's easier to prepare for and become better at (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#20958966) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 8:52 PM Author: cream spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#21023513) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 9:49 PM Author: Massive Silver Digit Ratio I'm 50% through the BarBri course, how fucking awesome is that ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#21023968) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 9:57 PM Author: cream spot not fucking awesome when you realize how much detail you have to memorize for barbri's MBE questions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#21024033) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 10:07 PM Author: Massive Silver Digit Ratio I did aite on the practice MBE (don't have final results yet, but self-scored at 120), got around 75% on the NCBEX OPEs, and hovering around 70% on PMBR Qbank.
If I fail it, then I'm just fucking dumb and that's that. I am pretty dumb but I really don't think I'm dumb enough to fail the bar. |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 10:16 PM Author: cream spot sounds like you are in good shape. unfortunately, i am a dumb. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#21024215) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 10:03 PM Author: cream spot i am trembling in fear, brother. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#21024098) |
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Date: July 6th, 2012 1:23 PM Author: Brindle frum point brethren peeps taking ny- are you reading the cmr? this seems like a huge waste of time for me as i dont retain anything from it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#21028275) |
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Date: July 6th, 2012 1:29 PM Author: Massive Silver Digit Ratio I'm re-reading it for stuff that I screwed up on the simulated MBE. Otherwise just some condensed outlines I bought somewhere. I remember enough random shit that I can put together an essay that sort of makes sense.
Crim is fucking my ass right now though. Fucked it up on the MBE and just completely fucked up every issue on an essay. |
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Date: July 6th, 2012 1:34 PM Author: sooty anal main people persian it's the easiest subject brother; what are you having trouble with? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#21028345) |
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Date: July 6th, 2012 1:37 PM Author: contagious shaky toilet seat nah ding, torts and con law are easier
a lot of people never took crim pro in law school and it's half the questions |
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Date: July 6th, 2012 1:40 PM Author: Massive Silver Digit Ratio Crim Pro seems to be the big one, so I guess I've gotta re-read that a bit. I did great on it in law school and I took it in my last semester (which was like 2 months ago) so maybe I'm carrying nuances of Crim Pro that I learned in law school into the MBE that just pretends they don't exist.
Didn't do so well on Property either but I think that's just more memorization that I need to do. |
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Date: July 6th, 2012 1:41 PM Author: sooty anal main people persian yeah, property and contracts are fucking my ass too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#21028369) |
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Date: July 6th, 2012 1:43 PM Author: Brindle frum point brethren contracts and prop are def the most difficult. i think i learned more out of the mbes than the property lecture. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#21028392) |
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Date: July 6th, 2012 1:41 PM Author: Brindle frum point brethren okay, so for mbe stuff just subjects that are hard. are you guys reading it for the state subjects?
also FUCK new york practice. how am i supposed to remember this shit. |
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Date: July 6th, 2012 1:48 PM Author: Massive Silver Digit Ratio I read it once for the state subjects and after that I just stick with a condensed outline.
I really don't think NY Practice is that hard to remember. Just know the contribution rules, impleader, and settlement by co-parties (and Article 16), know the gist of the S/Ls, know what affirmative defenses are NOT waived in a pre-trial motion to dismiss; there's only 3 (why the fuck we actually would need to ever memorize DOWNFALL and SPARERIBS, I will never know), and know the basic idea of pre-arbitration court review. Personal jurisdiction is just your generic Civ Pro shit except for the long-arm categories (remember, can't sue for defamation under long-arm).
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Date: July 6th, 2012 1:43 PM Author: Shivering striped hyena factory reset button Barbri is massive flame. Do every MBe you can find and read all the sample essay answers. You'll pass.
Don't worry about what others are doing. Itll only fuck you up with unneeded anxiety. |
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Date: July 6th, 2012 1:43 PM Author: Brindle frum point brethren so don't read cmr? i'm reading it now for state subjects...and not remembering a single thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#21028397) |
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Date: July 6th, 2012 1:45 PM Author: Shivering striped hyena factory reset button Just listen to the state lectures and read all the essay answers. Take in the broad points and make uP the law as needed. No one can memorize all that shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#21028415) |
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Date: July 6th, 2012 1:47 PM Author: Brindle frum point brethren ok ty
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Date: July 6th, 2012 2:58 PM Author: lilac arousing sanctuary hissy fit in ny - study ny practice, wills, corps, and family law - know these 4 inside out. just be versed in conflicts, agency, comm. paper, etc. if you nail the big 4 you can bs ur way through the rest and pass with breathing room (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1978908&forum_id=2#21028832) |