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DOJ Tax: How prestigious?
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:14 PM Author: Pearly Crawly Address Subject: DOJ Tax: How prestigious? We all know DOJ is prestigious. But where does the Tax division rank in the DOJ prestige hierarchy? Near the top or near the bottom? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144442) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:15 PM Author: Plum Sadistic Goal In Life Famous Landscape Painting there is no prestige in govt. pay grade is based on seniority. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144452) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:26 PM Author: maroon cracking legend french chef there is only prestige in parents' basements. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144521) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:28 PM Author: Slate tanning salon LOL, MFE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144530) |
Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:25 PM Author: Filthy psychic stock car Rough order of "prestige" (i.e. selectivity)
Civil/Crim Civil Rights/Antitrust Tax/ENRD EOIR |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:26 PM Author: maroon cracking legend french chef this is wrong (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144518) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:26 PM Author: Filthy psychic stock car What's your take? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144520) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:30 PM Author: maroon cracking legend french chef civil/criminal should be at the bottom. the rest are roughly equal. anti-trust and tax should be at the top. they are just more complicated practices. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144540) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:33 PM Author: Filthy psychic stock car I was trying to gauge selectivity/competitiveness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144557) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:35 PM Author: Slate tanning salon This is wrong. Especially re CIV/CRIM. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144573) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:40 PM Author: maroon cracking legend french chef they're all selective, but civil/crim is just a much easier practice area. therefore, it is less prestigious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144610) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:50 PM Author: Slate tanning salon They're harder to get into. Therefore, they're more prestigious, at least versus Tax. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144709) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:51 PM Author: maroon cracking legend french chef They're harder to get into because there are fewer openings due to more people wanting to stay in an easy practice area and more people wanting to go into it in the first place. You have to be objectively smarter to do the work in the tax group. Therefore, it is more prestigious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144727) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:53 PM Author: cerebral french location patrolman To be fair, a lot of people instinctively hate the idea of tax, regardless of how intelligent they are. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144742) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:55 PM Author: maroon cracking legend french chef this is what people who are too dumb for tax always say. /sarcasm
I know. But you do need to be smarter to do tax work than civil or criminal. Not that all tax attorneys are smarter than all CIV/CRIM, but the work requires a higher intellect. |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 5:55 PM Author: shaky whorehouse ROFL. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12172428) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:53 PM Author: Boyish casino (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144736) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:54 PM Author: Slate tanning salon Are you practicing now? Or were you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144744) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:56 PM Author: Boyish casino (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144762) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:58 PM Author: Shivering citrine cuck scourge upon the earth Did you go to a good law school? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144775) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:59 PM Author: Boyish casino (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144788) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:01 PM Author: Shivering citrine cuck scourge upon the earth How can you not find any other decent work? You must have done reasonably well to have gotten a job with Latham. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144801) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:02 PM Author: Boyish casino (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144814) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:54 PM Author: maroon cracking legend french chef Rod Blagojevich will hook you up for a small fee. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144749) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:27 PM Author: Slate tanning salon ATR belongs in the first tier. ENRD belongs below tax. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144527) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:53 PM Author: Boyish casino how the fuck do i get out of the shitlaw ghetto and into doj antitrust? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144743) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:54 PM Author: Shivering citrine cuck scourge upon the earth 6+ years of litigation experience (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144748) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:56 PM Author: Boyish casino what do you base this on? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144763) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:57 PM Author: Shivering citrine cuck scourge upon the earth I work at the Department of Justice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144765) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:56 PM Author: Slate tanning salon Non-Honors people are hired based on skillz and experience. Unless that is your current practice area, YOUR FUCKED. Lots of biglaw refugees would like that job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144760) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:57 PM Author: Shivering citrine cuck scourge upon the earth They don't care as much about practicing antitrust law as they want people with civil litigation experience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144764) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:59 PM Author: Boyish casino so any civil lit experience will be fine? what are the selection criteria after that? any way to get in sooner. i'd rather slash wrists than stay in the shitlaw ghetto. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144784) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:00 PM Author: Shivering citrine cuck scourge upon the earth I think federal civil lit experience of any kind is what they're looking for, but the closer you can get to something antitrust-related the better, I'm sure. After that, they look at school and what firm you're coming from. Not sure beyond that. No way to get in sooner right now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144797) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:01 PM Author: Boyish casino *shoots self*
god i hate my fucking life. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:02 PM Author: Shivering citrine cuck scourge upon the earth You're probably getting paid as much as a 1st year DOJ'er (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144812) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:03 PM Author: Boyish casino (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144819) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:04 PM Author: Shivering citrine cuck scourge upon the earth That's about $40K more than I was making at DOJ right out of law school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144828) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:05 PM Author: Boyish casino (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144839) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:06 PM Author: Shivering citrine cuck scourge upon the earth Career prospects are much better, I'm sure. But the work isn't always that interesting. Depends on what section and who you're working with. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144845) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:00 PM Author: Slate tanning salon That may be true, I don't know anyone in ATR, but relevant experience can't be irrelevant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144795) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:16 PM Author: Domesticated lascivious forum "relevant experience can't be irrelevant." thank you for that nugget of wisdom. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:18 PM Author: Slate tanning salon welcome, asshat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144959) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 5:58 PM Author: shaky whorehouse relevant experience is very important. however, a lot of what antitrust does is not actual antitrust law. for example, the entire criminal side of ATR (field offices and natl crim enforcement) are basically run of the mill white collar prosecutors. most of the cases they do have gone so beyond the bounds of antitrust law that theyre straight up fraud/theft/bribery/kickback/bid-rigging cases. For example, ATR is leading the bribery/kickback investigation into military contracting in Iraq. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12172452) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:58 PM Author: Boyish casino FUCK FUCK FUCK. what if i get a shiTTTy LLM from Harvard, can i go into the honors program from there. i will kill myself before i stay in the shitlaw ghetto, and actually liked antitrust quite a bit. unfortunately, i was lathamed. what the fuck do i do? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144773) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:00 PM Author: maroon cracking legend french chef weather the storm, bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144791) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:00 PM Author: Boyish casino what do you mean? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144794) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:03 PM Author: maroon cracking legend french chef the economy will improve, and you won't be stuck in shitlaw forever. this is a completely unprecedented economy for lawyers. you'll be able to move back into a real job when firms recover. for now, just be happy you have a paycheck and something to do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144821) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:04 PM Author: Boyish casino yah, i've had interviews outside of the devastated market where i was lathamed. still found a 100k job but it sucks. will resume search once i take this damn bar exam. god i fucking hate this bar exam bullshit. they need to make it national. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144831) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:05 PM Author: Shivering citrine cuck scourge upon the earth Did you fail the bar once? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144837) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:06 PM Author: Boyish casino no, passed with flying colors. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144846) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:05 PM Author: Slate tanning salon Dunno if you go back for LLM if you can apply to Honors. Check the website. Sounds like a shitty plan though, bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144841) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:06 PM Author: Shivering citrine cuck scourge upon the earth You can't do DOJ Honors if you're been in practice at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144849) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:07 PM Author: Boyish casino that's bullshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144857) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:08 PM Author: Shivering citrine cuck scourge upon the earth Now that's unfair. You would have had to apply to DOJ Honors as a 3L, and were free to do so before accepting at Latham. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144865) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:09 PM Author: Boyish casino if i'd known they were going to fuck me i would have (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144875) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:10 PM Author: Shivering citrine cuck scourge upon the earth To be fair, I think they want to hire people whose first preference would be to work for DOJ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144882) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:11 PM Author: Boyish casino they start you at 50k and i have loans to pay off. would have gladly gone in after a few years of biglaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144887) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:11 PM Author: Shivering citrine cuck scourge upon the earth Current starting salary is nearly $60K (goes to $70+ after 6 months), plus they have a loan repayment program, and most schools have LRAP. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144894) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:08 PM Author: Slate tanning salon I suspected that, but did not know for sure. It's a shitty plan anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144868) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:26 PM Author: Marvelous bull headed ticket booth lettuce What does it matter? If you go there your career will probably end up being tax related regardless of how prestigious it is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144522) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 5:17 PM Author: Pearly Crawly Address Right. But I would rather be doing tax litigation in a nice big firm than a shit law firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12172146) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 5:22 PM Author: very tactful hairless cuckoldry milk i heard tax litigation is less desired and prestigious than the other stuff (whatever that is) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12172176) |