In the Bay Area, I'd look at Keker. Also, Coblentz.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7584052)

http://www.susmangodfrey.com/Bio/bio-arobert.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7606973)

townsend & townsend in sv (if you want to do ip)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7589670)

What about Howard Rice, or Farella Braun + Martel? Any info or comparisons with Keker or Coblentz?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7584830)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7585755)

http://www.kvn.com/images/navbar_atty_r1_c8.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7586301)

Keker WGWAG

http://www.kvn.com/recruiting_attys.php

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7586319)

whoa

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7586439)

lit in LA - Munger

lit in SF - Keker

but good luck wit heither of those

a step below

in SF - shartsis, farella (though i hear weird things)

corp in SV - gunderson

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7585713)

"They are more laid-back than Munger (which can have a very gentile atmosphere)"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7598966)

- cooler full of free juice and soda (all u can drink)

- "board shorts and flip-flop" fridays

- liberal WGWAG policy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7586229)

Essentially, it means that one will bat an eye if you are a WG and put pictures up in your office of yourself with an AG who may or may not be your SO.

This is true esp. if you are a CGWBT.

HTH.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7586293)

Altshuler Berzon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7586296)

Altshuler Berzon has about 20 lawyers, split about evenly between men and women. Almost every lawyer has clerkship experience. No "news" posted on the website since March 2006 ...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7586442)

favorite lunch spot in the FiDi?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7594554)

superfun sf link.

jesus, i'm bored

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7594687)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7595344)

BTW, how important is bringing in new business in the consideration for making partner at kvn? In your experience, what are the best ways to bring in new business?

Thanks, kvnassociate!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7599148)

Thnaks for the info.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7601712)

P.S. -- I found the Munger info on the Munger website. I don't know how it matches the real experiences there.

Good day to you, kvnassociate!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7601893)

kvnassociate, how would you compare Keker and Munger (I understand that you likely have little basis for comparison)?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7601977)

Several firms appear to have recently raised the base pay of first year associates to $160K. One example is Quinn, as shown on their website: "Annual base compensation for entry level associates in 2006 stands at $160,000 plus a $10,000 bar stipend and year end bonus."

Has KVN raised first year associate pay to $160K? If not, do you think it will happen soon?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7608585)

Thanks for putting the salary in perspective with other factors. Free parking, free snacks and great SF dinners can all make a difference too!

BTW, what are the KVN offices like?

kvnassociate, I must say that your comments in this string are definitely the most helpful that I've ever read on this entire board. I'm sure there are many readers like me who really appreciate your inputs. THANK YOU!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7612684)

How is this an advantage?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7641909)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7606545)

I'm a 2L summering at Irell, and will most likely clerk.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7599027)

Typically when is the time frame for sending your resume and transcript to the hiring partner? Between September and December of your 3L year? Anytime during your clerkship?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7599508)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7600616)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7640941)

Your comparisons of KVN and Munger were very interesting. As your time permits, could you please provide your perspective on some of the other SF firms that have been mentioned in other posts in this message string? For instance, Howard Rice, and Townsend Townsend and Crew? Also, how would you compare KVN with Irell, which appears to be a strong IP firm down in SoCal? Thanks knvassocaite!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7661045)

Thanks for taking the time to share your perspectives on HR, TTC, and Irell. I really appreciate your sage view of how a new associate might find a specialized firm like TTC limiting if they learn through experience that the firm’s particular specialty, in this case IP litigation, isn’t their thing after all. Looking at the KVN website, I noted the KVN point-of-view that "we strongly believe that the complete skill set of a great litigator can only come with the broad practice experience one gets from working in many substantive areas of the law. Therefore, we have not formed formal practice groups. While many of our attorneys are renowned in specific fields, we pride ourselves in our ability to tackle any and all complex litigation, whether civil or criminal. We especially encourage our associates to work on a variety of cases." After reading your post above, I better understand the value of joining a firm (like KVN) where having diverse experiences in the first few years is possible, as it could be quite beneficial in finding your real strengths and long-term interests.

BTW, I know a woman who worked as a summer associate at Irell. She had a very positive experience, much different than the several bad experiences you had. Let’s hope your future experiences with Irell are better!

Thanks again kvnassociate!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7675117)

Also, to what extent will political affiliation affect receiving an offer or enjoying working at KVN? Although I'm socially very liberal, I tend to have an economically grounded view of policy that conflicts with typical SF liberals.

Thanks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7602742)

Also, Karen Bringola has a big, fat ass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7608104)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7608578)

Your post above regarding the evolution of KVN beyond John Keker is very illuminating. Thanks again for your excellent posts on this message thread.

BTW, I had a chance to drive by KVN today. I couldn't see much from the outside, but the neighborhood is nice, and I did see the burrito truck in the parking lot!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7651854)

I saw on the KVN website that Daralyn Durie, Mike Page and Jon Streeter were listed as "Partner", while Mark Lemley was listed as "Of Counsel". What is the difference between "Partner" and Of Counsel"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7654837)

It’s very impressive to hear that KVN is bringing in “huge amounts of work.” It’s nice to know that the firm is growing beyond the two founders, and now has a number of very strong partners with rapidly growing practices. Sounds like KVN has a great future!

I’m sure there are many readers like me who would like to learn more about how KVN manages through the three choices you outlined for dealing with the current capacity limitations. For instance, regarding hiring, how many associates do you envision KVN hiring each year over the next few years? Are you hiring any laterals, or mostly from clerkships and schools? Regarding turning away major amounts of work, how do you decide which cases to accept and which cases to turn away? (turning away good cases must be hard...) Regarding teaming with larger firms, what considerations influence these decisions?

As always, thanks for your time, kvnassociate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7675585)

Helpful for those considering KVN, which is the tiniest of tiny groups on this board.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7651891)

I join everyone else here who has found your posts incredibly informative. My wife and I are both very interested in KVN. While we'd prefer to work at separate firms, all things being equal, there's a not insignificant chance that KVN will turn out to be the clear front-runner for each of us. Does the firm itself have any kind of policy that would bar both of us from working there (assuming that you'd want to hire us both otherwise)?

Thanks!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7671096)

Following up, would things be different from your end if one of us were hired before the other applied? I ask because I've heard of at least one firm that has an affirmative "anti-nepotism" policy, which can be waived but only with considerable difficulty. Anything like that at KVN?

Thanks again!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7677130)

name the 10 SF firms you think provide the most interesting work for a (general) litigation associate, with size not a factor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7674385)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7674721)

but maybe you can give a more accurate picture. what sort of grades and other qualifications are actually required (assume a top school)?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7675990)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7676487)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7676616)

fuck you and kvnfaggot for board faggotry

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=578713&forum_id=2#7681820)