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Does my 200 person company sound like most? It's like a racket for top 15-20
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:11 PM Author: hideous hilarious brunch famous landscape painting Basically the company is structured so there's a top dog CEO with a C-suite staff, below them VP-level folks who run departments. They all make the most pay, obviously, but many times more than the people below them even though there's no way their value is multiple times the people below them. They work great hours (a lot work 8am-4pm). Many of them are not experts in anything in particular.
Every single person below them, so about 90% of the company, is a fucking cog. There are no raises. There are almost no promotions. No one is plucked out for VP roles. There's a total wall. You exist at this level to promote the work of the VPs and higher. A lot of people at this level are experts. Many advanced degrees. They know way more than the people above them but they exist to make that information flow up, so the VP and above crowd doesn't look stupid.
I assume this is quite common? |
Date: February 7th, 2019 8:11 PM Author: Balding Parlor This is the order of things (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37745023) |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:11 PM Author: harsh pit feudalism is not a new concept (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37745025) |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:14 PM Author: Big At-the-ready Set Partner Like any prop trading company (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37745032) |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:15 PM Author: hideous hilarious brunch famous landscape painting We're a generic company, nothing really special, not trading, we make a few products and sell some services
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:14 PM Author: vibrant persian 1. This is why you NEVER go in-house. This is why you become a lawyer to begin with ffs.
2. Everything you are witnessing is based on Clique. America has the strictest Clique System in the world. Source: http://www.cliquetheory.com |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:15 PM Author: hideous hilarious brunch famous landscape painting Actually I legitimately think of CLIQUE THEORY when I look at this conceptual map
what do you mean by "this is why you become a lawyer to begin with"
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:25 PM Author: vibrant persian Someone pointed this out the other day. Law firms are immune to what is basically an economic constant everywhere else because they legally cannot just be owned by random pricks. i.e., there is not a club of rent-seekers or shareholders taking a cut of everything. Literally your only problem is the partners, whereas in a regular company, you are being fucked from all sides and in all orifices (but you get to do Nothing all day half the time if that's your thing). If law firms worked like other businesses they would have Chad CEOs and VPs stacking ca$h, Partnership tier basically wouldn't exist, and associates would make like $50k and managed by Managers whose job it is to Manage them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37745132) |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:27 PM Author: Provocative slippery native sound barrier (Ignores the fact that making partner means enduring a living hell for 10 years and that once you make partner you life is a living hell indefinitely) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37745146) |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:29 PM Author: vibrant persian Just endure living hell then and disabuse yourself of the illusion that you can affect your circumstances. All it takes is for some bossprick to be a prick and you are CUCKED and have to haplessly jobhop like a buffoon. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37745164) |
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Date: February 8th, 2019 10:52 AM Author: cobalt low-t dingle berry lay "This is why you NEVER go in-house. This is why you become a lawyer to begin with ffs."
What a silly comment. |
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Date: February 8th, 2019 11:49 AM Author: citrine indian lodge Clique Theory is a work of considerable scholarship. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37747765) |
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Date: July 24th, 2019 10:54 PM Author: vibrant persian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#38584009) |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:16 PM Author: jet-lagged honey-headed box office is this a reddit repost or something
how old are you |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:19 PM Author: hideous hilarious brunch famous landscape painting I've never worked in a company like this before. I worked in start ups and government only. Not flame. Help. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37745072) |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:21 PM Author: jet-lagged honey-headed box office just leave and get a job somewhere else dude, sounds awful
i don't know how any sane grown man works at a corporate job in current year america. i would probably assault or murder someone within my first week not flame |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:22 PM Author: racy smoky puppy what do you do subsistence farming? |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:27 PM Author: jet-lagged honey-headed box office i work at a company with less than 20 people total instead of 200, so all of us have a well-defined role and contribute something valuable that we are fairly compensated for
obviously any company with more than a few dozen employees is going to be like the one you're at right now. it's laughable that anyone ever pretends otherwise. you don't magically stay at the same level of productivity when you add extra hierarchical layers of management - those extra people are clearly going to be mostly skimming off the top of the same number of productive workers |
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Date: February 8th, 2019 10:53 AM Author: cobalt low-t dingle berry lay Not really. Some companies do promote people and in my company the higher-ups a) work a ton, and b) have far less job stability.
But also, if you're hyper-ambitious you can jump around for promotions. |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:23 PM Author: hideous hilarious brunch famous landscape painting But what about the structure? is that the same in all corps?
I have a pretty good gig and I am risk averse, so I don't think it makes sense to go on my own or whatever
-I make 160K base with a 20K bonus -I come in around 10am and leave at 4pm and WFH 1-2 days a week -During work I do another side gig and bring in an extra 5-10K a year -I manage two employees and so they do most of the "grunt work" that I don't want and I for the most part strategically position myself to only work on stuff with visibility to others in the company -Tons of time off with travel only once a quarter -My boss is located in another office so they aren't around to monitor me -I wear pretty casual clothing to work -I'm considered *the* expert in my company at my role with plenty of kudos from the CEO and leadership -I could probably become a VP if I stick around which would mean 225K+ with the same hours -In all honesty, I probably can never be fired |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:27 PM Author: vibrant persian http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3584432&mc=99&forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37745153) |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:30 PM Author: hideous hilarious brunch famous landscape painting I legitimately believe this. I supervise people who make less than me and I push off so much work onto them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37745167) |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:32 PM Author: vibrant persian I believe it too, that's why I posted it. No one will ever tell you to stop being Bad... it's a caste system. Gone are the days where some plucky bro could go from sweeping the floors to running the company. Castes are now strict af. Life expectancies/immigration/fewer wars/Women haplessly crowding the workforce/shitlibs/Jews are all factors, and no one cares. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37745183) |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:33 PM Author: hideous hilarious brunch famous landscape painting Some of the highest level non c-suite people are just that: low level people who made it to the top
but then they SLAMMED the door behind them once the company got big enough, so no one else can do it |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:33 PM Author: Stimulating dog poop race of your grunt workers? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37745185) |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:34 PM Author: hideous hilarious brunch famous landscape painting all white, I only hire white men because I like to joke around and I legitimately can see a woman taking me to HR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37745192) |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:35 PM Author: Stimulating dog poop hard to imagine white grunts. would have expected asian/indian. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37745198) |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:39 PM Author: hideous hilarious brunch famous landscape painting they're younger, it'll be good experience for them, I also treat them really well, it's a mutual benefit thing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37745222) |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:34 PM Author: hideous hilarious brunch famous landscape painting thoughts on my gig? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37745194) |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 9:07 PM Author: jet-lagged honey-headed box office sounds like you're a talented and productive guy and you should start your own company
you'll make a lot more money and contribute a lot more to society that way (assuming you work in a productive and not parasitic industry)
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:33 PM Author: Balding Parlor $$$$ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37745186) |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:23 PM Author: Provocative slippery native sound barrier I would never work at a company where the founders are not still running it and it's not still growing quickly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37745105) |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:32 PM Author: Stimulating dog poop C-Suite and execs making many times what the average employee makes is now standard in the West. Executive comp has been a hot-topic now for two decades. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37745180) |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:33 PM Author: hideous hilarious brunch famous landscape painting hot topic in what way (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37745184) |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:36 PM Author: vibrant persian I think he's talking about the CEO of Hot Topic, Inc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37745208) |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:39 PM Author: hideous hilarious brunch famous landscape painting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37745225) |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:40 PM Author: Stimulating dog poop It's the income inequality discussion. This is what they are talking about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37745232) |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:48 PM Author: Balding Parlor income inequality is responsibility inequality (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37745281) |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:35 PM Author: vibrant persian How do you even deal with this? Proles don't even know that executives exist irl, they are like mythical characters, so they don't care. Professional Caste bootlicking morons are like, "what? someone has money? let me suck his cock!" *declares self a Centrist* *Takes dick in the centre of his ass* |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:39 PM Author: Stimulating dog poop Not too many ways to beat this.
- start your own business. not easy at all. - a variation of above. you could go the contracting route which allows you to make an income commiserate with your skillset alone. but then you have to have a good skillset and be good at it. - you get an MBA from a top 10 school and try to climb up the ladder. long hours, no guarantee of payback.
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:57 PM Author: Appetizing Locale You are veering dangerously close to sounding AZN by even mentioning "top ten MBA" as a potential path to the top. Even from Harvard, what's the average graduating MBA salary, like $180k? Fucking LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37745307) |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 9:40 PM Author: Stimulating dog poop This whole thread is about like ten years post graduation. Do you expect to match C-Suite right after graduation? Fucking LOL indeed. The question was how do you avoid being a cog in perpetuity. This is one route. Top 10 MBA and climb the ladder. No guarantee you will. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37745568) |
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Date: February 8th, 2019 4:41 PM Author: Lemon reading party MBA means they'll give you the benefit of the doubt for Director type jobs and maybe it can be a stepping stone but it means fuck all in moving to legit leadership positions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37749265) |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:59 PM Author: Primrose passionate bbw stag film so you work on the boomer plantation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37745316) |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 8:59 PM Author: fiercely-loyal main people Sounds like a standard company so far.
Some signs it's a racket:
People quit suddenly, with no notice given, running away in fear. Low-level managers and junior employees seem constantly on edge and are too confused to understand what's really happening. Way too many young people are hired. Middle managers that aren't trusted by upper management have probably figured things out and seem either scared or constantly stressed beyond reasonable levels, avoiding interaction with most people that haven't yet figured it out so they don't accidentally say the wrong thing. Management will have coworkers and sometimes "security" spying on you, making the untrusted but aware employees paranoid. If you're mildly chatty, office gossip will tell you something weird is going on or that someone's been threatened or some other weird thing has happened. The work environment is generally pretty terrible for most people, designed to kick people out before they figure out too much. Legit local third party recruiters give you a bad vibe when you mention the company. Upper management operates like a crime family. You are constantly given completely ridiculous, impossible deadlines. |
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Date: February 8th, 2019 12:15 PM Author: Mustard Mentally Impaired Office I think this is a good list to look out for. I would advise my younger self to never ever accept a job that I had a bad gut feeling about while interviewing. If you can perceive big problems before you even know anything, it will be terrible and you should avoid it at all costs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37747919) |
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Date: February 8th, 2019 7:54 PM Author: fiercely-loyal main people These are extremely important points. You might go in thinking, “oh, it’s just a job,” but then everything becomes a disaster and you still have to deal with the aftermath once you leave.
More signs:
You do not meet your actual manager during interviews, and you change managers frequently. Sometimes you might not even be sure who your actual manager is. You may feel like you’re going crazy or becoming paranoid — the power and extent of gaslighting is much worse than you’d think. You might feel like you’re under surveillance, because you actually are. A petty criminal and/or homeless person may be hired to harass or assault you, or worse. A coworker makes a thinly veiled threat. Some coworkers might show signs of PTSD. There’s an extreme culture of secrecy. If it’s a big enough company, people drop hints on Glassdoor. If you give a standard two weeks notice and don't just quit immediately, and management suspects you're aware of what's happening, trusted employees will test you to see how much you know, what you'll say about the company when you're gone, which company you're going to, etc. so they can keep track of you and spot a potential snitch.
I have either observed or experienced everything I’ve listed. |
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Date: February 8th, 2019 9:15 PM Author: Mustard Mentally Impaired Office Yeah, I know that this stuff happens. A lot of work environments are truly toxic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37750545) |
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Date: February 8th, 2019 10:58 AM Author: Lemon reading party Some companies, big and small, are just like that between putting the VPs in an ivory tower and having a no promotions from within culture. only thing you can do really is leave. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37747504) |
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Date: February 8th, 2019 11:21 AM Author: cobalt low-t dingle berry lay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37747610) |
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Date: February 8th, 2019 4:27 PM Author: Lemon reading party at smaller companies it probably means the execs/VPs don't want any threats or any more people cutting into their share of the profits.
Bigger companies it probably means they are just way overstaffed but aren't big enough assholes to do mass layoffs. they figure they can keep everything frozen for long enough that attrition will take care of the problem. |
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Date: February 8th, 2019 11:55 AM Author: Mind-boggling slate filthpig I've always thought corporate America is like this. It floors me that anyone has ever, ever had a positive opinion of private sector work. Unbelievable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37747815) |
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Date: February 8th, 2019 12:19 PM Author: citrine indian lodge This is typical. Slick organizations disguise it with free lunches and training programs, but you are just meat on the hoof. I developed that insight while while raising money from and being screwed over by venture capitalists. Cowgod is right: Clique Theory explains it. You can only escape by becoming a proprietor. Even when you are CEO of a company, which I have been twice, you end up being screwed by prep/jock investors, board members, and customers. When I was filling a senior nerd position in a major corporation a recruiter told me I was doomed because my bigco executive suite was full of "average bears" and I wasn't tall enough. I thought he was full of shit, but it turned out to be true. I left the world of organizations early and have been a sole proprietor for 15 years in my retirement. I still get hosed by prep/jock clients, jut at least I am MASTER OF MY DOMAIN. However, bills must be paid, etc. so an alternative is to do the usual thing and just lead a life of quiet desperation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37747934) |
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Date: February 8th, 2019 12:50 PM Author: hideous hilarious brunch famous landscape painting your HEIGHT? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37748051) |
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Date: February 8th, 2019 12:56 PM Author: citrine indian lodge 5'10" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37748075) |
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Date: February 8th, 2019 4:39 PM Author: cobalt low-t dingle berry lay Sup Johns (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37749255) |
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Date: February 8th, 2019 4:30 PM Author: vivacious nursing home mediation *George20 desperately trawling LinkedIn to find your old company* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37749203) |
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Date: February 8th, 2019 4:41 PM Author: wine fanboi 5'10" is average height (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37749267) |
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Date: February 8th, 2019 5:06 PM Author: lavender erotic corner Your point? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37749371) |
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Date: February 8th, 2019 4:46 PM Author: Lemon reading party now it's the same thing but with shitlibs instead of jocks/preps (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37749279) |
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Date: February 8th, 2019 6:26 PM Author: vibrant persian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37749781) |
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Date: February 8th, 2019 7:25 PM Author: Boyish theater stage things are different now dude. a lot more jewish. "jock" dynamics are meaningless. the question is more to do with whether you are jewish, or whether you are willing to be subservient to jews. if you don't realize this, you are old/out of touch or you are jewish and are confusing intra-jewish dynamics for social dynamics simpliciter. (with the exceptions of government contracting and "real economy" stuff, of course.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37750018) |
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Date: February 9th, 2019 12:32 PM Author: citrine indian lodge I cheerfully acknowledge that I am obsolete. I have been mistaken for Jewish, though I am not. I am a bit on the hairy and swarthy side, so perhaps that explains it, though more likely it's my manner. While I am still semi-professionally active, I have not had to suffer from corporate crap for over 15 years, except insofar as it flows down to me via clients or some of my other business relationships. I am very happy that I was able to spend most of my working life without email and without cell phones. A substantial part of it was without PCs or word processors. Some of it was without any airline security. We have more stuff now, but life is much worse in so many ways. I used to joke that I wanted to raise blind catfish and have no employees - almost there. No employees at least. I spent only 10 years in a bigco. The rest was startups (not counting one miserable law year and 3 years of Uncle Sam, which was unique) in which I was either CEO or other senior founder. Cannot imagine having to slog it in this environment. The jock thing was very strong in my bigco 40 years ago. Never worked in financial services, but learned to dislike I-bank and VC culture. Walked out of an interview for a MBA-based consulting firm once. I am rambling and sounding like a geezer so I will stop. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#37752887) |
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Date: July 24th, 2019 11:06 PM Author: impressive dilemma hissy fit I work at a formerly bootstrapped tech company now owned by a VC firm so I'm witnessing the clown show unfold in real time. Fortunately I joined the company at the right time and am one of few non/VP. Level people making six figures. .unfortunately I don't have an HLS pedigree or any law degree to fall back on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#38584105) |
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Date: July 24th, 2019 11:00 PM Author: underhanded zippy striped hyena plaza Sounds 100% like Gervais Principle:
https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-or-the-office-according-to-the-office/ |
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Date: July 25th, 2019 8:44 PM Author: hideous hilarious brunch famous landscape painting can you explain this more (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#38588964) |
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Date: July 25th, 2019 9:56 PM Author: underhanded zippy striped hyena plaza Sociopaths are on top of the organization, "clueless" in the middle and "losers" are on the bottom, but they are only losers in that they have lost the mostly arbitrary corporate competition. Oftentimes they are just as smart or smarter than the sociopaths at the top, but are forced to accept their shitty job with shitty compensation to pay their rent. To keep the losers at bay, upper management inserts a layer of "clueless" people just ahead of the losers. They are usually stupider than the losers but since the clueless can't see the system for what it is they will loyally toe the upper management line. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#38589354) |
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Date: July 24th, 2019 11:11 PM Author: Contagious useless site Your goal is to be on of those 15-20 people. Its not that hard, you just need to outperform the others + dont be threatening to those already in the top 15-20. If you cant do it, enjoy being a a cog in the machine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4196934&forum_id=2#38584149) |