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Why men cheat
Date: October 9th, 2004 4:10 PM Author: Concupiscible Temple My theory
Quest for true romance fills him with a sense of adventure. After he finds the girl, and has sex, he knows she's there, and there's no excitement anymore.
He wants to go on another quest, since security is boring. His thirst for danger must be satisfied.
'tis naught but an evil, immoral lust for adventure. |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 4:11 PM Author: Glittery sienna french chef twinkling uncleanness Straight men couldn't care less about romance. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1461901) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 4:12 PM Author: Hyperventilating abode As usual your cynicism clouds clear thinking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1461905) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 4:12 PM Author: Tan alcoholic hall karate you'd be surprised at the annoying losers who do shit like it's nauseating romantic comedy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1461907) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 4:12 PM Author: Tan alcoholic hall karate men cheat because it's pretty normal. you can still love your girlfriend and cheat on her. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1461903) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 4:17 PM Author: Harsh carnelian queen of the night cruise ship as if women don't cheat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1461925) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 4:18 PM Author: Tan alcoholic hall karate when women cheat it's usally cause the relationship is over effectively anyway (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1461934) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 4:19 PM Author: flesh vigorous stead I disagree. I think it often happens that women cheat, and then it just never comes out. The relationship might last for years afterwards. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1461938) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 4:21 PM Author: Tan alcoholic hall karate no way, when chicks cheat it means there's something wrong with the relationship. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1461948) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 4:22 PM Author: Harsh carnelian queen of the night cruise ship yeah, yeah. that's what guys do too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1461954) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 4:23 PM Author: flesh vigorous stead There is often "something" wrong with the relationship. That's hardly an excuse to cheat. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1461955) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 4:21 PM Author: Harsh carnelian queen of the night cruise ship ummmmmmmmmm yeaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. that's what men do too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1461950) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 4:18 PM Author: flesh vigorous stead Women hide it better, and therefore it seems like they do it less. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1461935) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 4:23 PM Author: Concupiscible Temple I know that veeeemen cheat with abandon. I just chose to focus on men in this thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1461963) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 7:12 PM Author: Rose lodge volcanic crater the theory you posted PD has a name, It is called the old cow new cow theory.
It's in some cheesy book (Animal Husbandry?). |
Date: October 9th, 2004 4:16 PM Author: flesh vigorous stead 1) Well, there the "blood" argument. Men have a constant amount of blood in their bodies. When bloodfow to the penis increases, there isn't enough blood going to the brain. As a reslt, men tend to make stupid decisions. <BR> 2) Sometimes men may not be looking to cheat. They may be looking for someone to understand them and empathize with them. This could be because there is some sort of problem in the relationship. The problem is that, for men, the process of connecting emotionally with a woman tends to invlove sex. |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 4:19 PM Author: French Razzle-dazzle Church Building Cumskin "The problem is that, for men, the process of connecting emotionally with a woman tends to invlove sex"
Only because an emotional connection makes a woman easier to sleep with. MEn just want to have sex; trouble is, they don't want women they have sex with to sleep with anyone else. |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 4:20 PM Author: flesh vigorous stead As if men don't want someone to connect with.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1461946) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 4:23 PM Author: French Razzle-dazzle Church Building Cumskin Sure, but sex/sexual attraction is more likely to come first. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1461956) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 4:24 PM Author: Sinister university main people "MEn just want to have sex; trouble is, they don't want women they have sex with to sleep with anyone else."
There's a pretty good ev psych explanation of this double standard. There's also a good ev psych explanation of why women put up with men who cheat.
On edit: but it also makes evolutionary sense for a man to bond emotionally with at least one women and invest in their offspring. |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 5:06 PM Author: Hairraiser chad telephone what is the ev psych explaination of why women put up with it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1462133) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 5:12 PM Author: Sinister university main people "what is the ev psych explaination of why women put up with it?"
If the the male strays but maintains a high level of parental investment, the female's chances of passing her genes on aren't any worse than they would otherwise be. But if it appears that the male is not only pursuing illicit sex, but is a good bet to bolt out of the relationship, the female might be better off looking for another male.
Supposedly, psychological studies have shown that men worry more about their partner straying sexually, and women worry more about their partner straying emotionally. |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 4:25 PM Author: swashbuckling rigor stage Not all men cheat. Those who do do it because they are disrespectful bastards. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1461971) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 4:31 PM Author: Sinister university main people Most men _want_ to cheat, though. E.g. Jimmy Carter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1461998) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 4:35 PM Author: swashbuckling rigor stage Uh, okay. So do a lot of women. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1462014) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 4:38 PM Author: Sinister university main people "Uh, okay."
To quote Al Gore: There's no need to get snippy. I never said nor implied that it's OK for guys to cheat because they want to.
"So do a lot of women."
Not as many and not to the same degree. Take a look at the relationships gay males tend to have vs. the relationships gay females tend to have.
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Date: October 9th, 2004 5:42 PM Author: flesh vigorous stead Hey, I was always curious. Are you named after that associate voicemail, or is it named after the same thing that you are named after? What is a monkey fucking scribe? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1462288) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 5:45 PM Author: swashbuckling rigor stage Monkey scribe: http://instructional1.calstatela.edu/bevans/Art446-04-IntroMayan/WebPage-Full.00009.html
I am named after the voice mail. |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 5:36 PM Author: diverse bisexual library fanboi Men are biologically programmed to want to have sex with lots of women.
Ideally, I suppose each man would have a harem of women with whom he could have sex, so that he had enough variety not to become bored with any single woman.
In our society, men are expected to have sex with one and only one woman. For a while, he is okay with doing this, but eventually the monogamous sex gets boring and he wants to find a "fresh" woman to have sex with. |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 5:40 PM Author: flesh vigorous stead If you had to guess, who would you say most likely first came up with that theory - a man or a woman? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1462278) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 5:42 PM Author: chartreuse fragrant forum fortuitous meteor It makes sense. Women can only be pregnant once every 9 months while men could impregnate countless women. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1462292) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 5:44 PM Author: flesh vigorous stead And it makes less sense that women should have sex with the highest number of men so that they increase the chances of someone's sperm reaching the egg? Furthermore, because men must take a rest after sex and women can keep going, doesn't that mean a woman should have a harem, so one man can pick up where the other left off? It's just a matter of what you want your conclusion to be. A theory will come along. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1462309) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 5:49 PM Author: Hairraiser chad telephone good point. i had never thought about it that way. now i have some ammo next time some dopey guy tries the bs evolutionary justification. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1462335) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 5:50 PM Author: chartreuse fragrant forum fortuitous meteor Too bad he's wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1462341) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 5:58 PM Author: Sinister university main people "And it makes less sense that women should have sex with the highest number of men so that they increase the chances of someone's sperm reaching the egg? Furthermore, because men must take a rest after sex and women can keep going, doesn't that mean a woman should have a harem, so one man can pick up where the other left off?"
Due to millions of years of evolution, almost all men produce enough cum to impregnate fertile women. HTH.
"now i have some ammo next time some dopey guy tries the bs evolutionary justification."
Dopey I'm not. Anyway, women do have evolutionary reason to cheat: if their parenter is fugly, it might pay to screw a hunk to produce a "sexy son" (evolutionary psychologists actually call this explanation the "sexy son" hypothesis). Or if she finds another man who could invest more in her children, she might be better off forming a relationship with him. It's just that the evolutionary considerations all told (i.e. when weighed against the countervailing considerations against) in favor of cheating were generally less strong in the EEA (environment of evolutionary adaptation) for women than they were for men. |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 5:49 PM Author: chartreuse fragrant forum fortuitous meteor Dude, whatever. Look at sea elephants. There's one dominant male who fucks all the bitches while the other poor bastards are left to wack off. Please come up with an example where females are more premiscuous than males. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1462340) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 5:52 PM Author: flesh vigorous stead Sure, A female black widow spider kills the male she mates with every time, and mates with a different male the next time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1462355) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 5:55 PM Author: chartreuse fragrant forum fortuitous meteor >Females may occassionally kill and eat a male after mating but this is more the exception than the rule.
http://www.desertusa.com/july97/du_bwindow.html |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 6:00 PM Author: flesh vigorous stead There is also a species of mouse (that lives somewhere in deserts) where a couple will mate continuously for 24 hours, after which the male dies of exhaustion. The female then delivers the child and finds another male next year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1462407) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 6:10 PM Author: flesh vigorous stead Ooh, I bet the Queen bee gets around. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1462464) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 7:19 PM Author: Soul-stirring plaza LOL that slut (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1462759) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 5:56 PM Author: Hairraiser chad telephone ha ha, he has become useless to her. muaaaahhhhhhh!
spiders, what bitches and hos. |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 5:55 PM Author: diverse bisexual library fanboi That doesn't make any sense. A woman could have sex with one man repeatedly and be just as succesful at getting pregnant as she could if she had sex with several men, since men are *always* able to fertilize an egg.
Men are programmed to want to have sex with one woman for only a limited period of time because a pregnancy lasts nine months and it is (biologically) useless to have sex with a woman who has already been impregnated and won't be able to become impregnated again until nine months later. |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 5:58 PM Author: flesh vigorous stead A man may not be as adpet at getting his sperm to reach the egg as other men. He could have a low sperm count, for instance. One would never know this. <BR> Also, there is the second part where a second man could begin delivering the sperm as soon as the first man is finished. Perhaps this is why men are naturally quick to finish. (Think of your first time) and then have to train themselves to delay ejaculation. If a harem of men were available, we would not have to do that. |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 6:01 PM Author: chartreuse fragrant forum fortuitous meteor You don't get it. It's about quality not quantity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1462413) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 6:03 PM Author: flesh vigorous stead It's about both. And there is a large quantity of quality sperm that would be available to a woman if that's what she were looking for. <BR> It's you who doesn't get it. You are presupposing your conclusion and then making up evolutinary reasons for it. That's exactly what I am doing. Both arguments are wrong. |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 6:07 PM Author: chartreuse fragrant forum fortuitous meteor Any woman can get pregnant, if that's the goal. However, if you want evolutionary progress, you'd want to have the strongest male be the father, not just ANY male. You're just saying "Oh, the purpose is JUST to get pregnant, so women should fuck as many guys as they want." WTF? That makes no sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1462449) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 6:10 PM Author: flesh vigorous stead She can pick one man from her harem to be the father who cares for the child, and have sex with the others. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1462463) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 6:13 PM Author: chartreuse fragrant forum fortuitous meteor WTF are you arguing then? That women should be able to have sex with others for fun? Fine. But that's not what we were talking about when this argument started.
If you're talking about "father" as in a "father" figure, that's bullshit because she wants the best genes, from an evolutionary perpective. |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 6:23 PM Author: flesh vigorous stead You don't get it. I am arguing that all of these paraevolutionary argumets (mine and yours) are bullshit. If you come up with any theory, you can use evolution to back it up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1462535) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 6:25 PM Author: chartreuse fragrant forum fortuitous meteor You didn't back up shit with your explanation. "Uhh, she wants to get pregnant, she should fuck many guys." Great job, buddy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1462551) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 6:30 PM Author: Sinister university main people Ha ha ha. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1462566) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 6:21 PM Author: Sinister university main people Preferably, the woman would want the best genes (i.e. the fittest father--"strongest" is misleading, I think) and the best provider, even if two different guys were filling the respective roles of fucker and feeder. The quandry: the feeder doesn't like it when he's not the only fucker. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1462516) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 6:02 PM Author: Sinister university main people "One would never know this."
And one might even know that a hot woman is infertile yet still want to have sex with her. Though evolutionary psychologists talk in terms of costs and benefits, they don't think creatures are necessarily consciously weighing them.
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Date: October 9th, 2004 6:04 PM Author: flesh vigorous stead But perhaps this is exactly why women would want the highest number of men. That reduces chances of their intertility. Makjes perfect evolutionary sense to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1462432) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 6:10 PM Author: Sinister university main people As I said in a post below, evolution often doesn't plan for contingencies that almost never arise. And men are reluctant to invest in children when they have reason to be unsure of paternity; there's a fairly large body of literature on the subject. Why do you think babies resemble their fathers at birth? It's not a cosmic coincidence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1462461) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 6:11 PM Author: flesh vigorous stead Fine, let's then say that she can just make men have sex with her one after the other, thus increasing chances of pregancay. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1462468) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 6:14 PM Author: diverse bisexual library fanboi You're forgetting something. A woman doesn't just want to get pregnant, she also wants a powerful man to take care of her and her offspring. If she has sex with several men, one after the other, none of the men will know whether the offspring is his (or one of the other men's) and therefore none will have incentive to care for her and the baby. So, she will have a baby, and have no way of feeding it and herself, or protecting it as it matures. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1462481) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 6:15 PM Author: chartreuse fragrant forum fortuitous meteor So she should fuck anyone and pass on TTT genes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1462488) |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 6:03 PM Author: diverse bisexual library fanboi If the man is not succesful at impregnating the woman, she will leave the man and find a man who can impregnate her. Once she has found a man who can though, she doesn't need to have sex with multiple partners.
Even if a woman is fertile, however, she can only get pregnant every nine months, and so a man who isn't having sex with other women in between is not producing as many offspring as he could.
I don't see why it matters how long it takes for a man to ejaculate. Once he ejaculates, the sperm is there. Also, men generally would not want to be in a harem and have sex with one woman who has had sex with other men, because they would never know whether any offspring belonged to them or one of the other men. Then, they would have no reason to take care of the woman and her children since they have no assurance that she has had their child (and no one wants to care for the child of another man, who is a competitor, biolgically). |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 6:07 PM Author: Sinister university main people "If the man is not succesful at impregnating the woman, she will leave the man and find a man who can impregnate her."
I haven't seen any evidence to suggest this is true. Evolution has programmed us to consciously pursue sex and romance; not babies.
It's worth noting that very, very few males are infertile. Evolution often doesn't plan for contingincies that almost never arise. |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 6:08 PM Author: flesh vigorous stead A man ejaculates quickly and delives the sperm. That sperm has let's say 1/100 chance of making a baby. Then another man can come in and deliver his sperm. The more sperm, the more chances of pregnancy. Thus it makes sense that there should be a large haerm of men who ejaculate quickly. The fact that men are naturally programmed to do so, backs up this theory. Because of nonogamy, ment train themselves to delay ejaculation. <BR> Neither men no woman would want to live in a harem. The fact that women have, only comes from the fact that men were able to force them to. |
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Date: October 9th, 2004 6:04 PM Author: Sinister university main people Blue Smoke: you have a blazing rack and understand ev psych. I heart you. We need to hook up some time--I wouldn't cheat on you even though I'm programmed to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=92180&forum_id=2#1462427) |