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Date: June 3rd, 2013 12:18 PM Author: Honey-headed Shaky Cruise Ship Hunting Ground http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/04/us/supreme-court-says-police-can-take-dna-samples.html?_r=0 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23322670) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 12:20 PM Author: charismatic misunderstood internal respiration station why is that faggot breyer standing with the authoritarian side instead of hanging with scalia and the ladies? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23322680) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 9:57 PM Author: floppy candlestick maker breyer <3 teh administrative state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23325729) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 9:58 PM Author: Curious demanding resort rigor Why? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23325745) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 10:36 PM Author: fighting home Balancing rights= 180 Breyer pastime (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23326048) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 10:48 PM Author: Curious demanding resort rigor But trusting the government is TTT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23326170) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 10:53 PM Author: fighting home Don't worry bro, Breyer has this shit under control (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23326216) |
Date: June 3rd, 2013 12:21 PM Author: bat shit crazy legend “When officers make an arrest supported by probable cause to hold for a serious offense and they bring the suspect to the station to be detained in custody,” Justice Anthony M. Kennedy wrote for the majority, “taking and analyzing a cheek swab of the arrestee’s D.N.A. is, like fingerprinting and photographing, a legitimate police booking procedure that is reasonable under the Fourth Amendment.”
This seems reasonable to me. How can u be mad at DNA swabs but not fingerprinting or photographing? |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 12:25 PM Author: charismatic misunderstood internal respiration station because booking procedures just need to take sufficient information to identify the person within the prison system not delve into his entire DNA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23322711) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 12:27 PM Author: onyx pungent ticket booth What else but identification are you worried about from dna samples? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23322722) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 12:36 PM Author: charismatic misunderstood internal respiration station the government should take the least intrusive set of measurements necessary to identify someone when they book them. in addition to DNA, they could measure every limb, every organ, run an MRI, and measure your asshole's circumference. but they don't because none of that is necessary to identify you.
they don't need DNA to identify you, they only want DNA to search databases for other crimes you've committed. |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 12:52 PM Author: carnelian forum ratface Oh noes the police might be connecting criminal suspects to other unsolved crimes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23322847) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 12:54 PM Author: purple hyperactive laser beams kitty (not a lawyer) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23322857) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 1:06 PM Author: charismatic misunderstood internal respiration station not a lawyer but i did read scalia's dissent
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/12-207_d18e.pdf |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 1:06 PM Author: Cream concupiscible hell digit ratio How did Thomas go?
edit: :( |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 12:57 PM Author: Cream concupiscible hell digit ratio Can someone counter this? Seems reasonable to a layperson that in order to be any more intrusive beyond basic identification, you need to have more to go on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23322877) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 1:10 PM Author: bat shit crazy legend how is a cotton swab intrusive though? and what evil things are you worried the gov't could do with DNA? there has to be some downside or some legit concern for it to be considered an intrusion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23322956) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 1:13 PM Author: Cream concupiscible hell digit ratio Profile you? What happens if 10 years from now we discover a DNA marker that is unambiguously linked to substantially higher rates of violence? Or what happens if there is a degradation in society and we begin to persecute jews or whoever? It is plausible that DNA, in contrast to fingerprints and pictures, could be used by the state for what we would consider undesirable policies.
The mistake here is to think that the only limiting factor on what markers can be recorded/obtained is the degree to which there is hassle/discomfort in obtaining said markers. |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 1:16 PM Author: bat shit crazy legend sounds like a slippery slope (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23322989) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 9:51 PM Author: blathering abode genital piercing A pretty scary one though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23325666) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 1:51 PM Author: Carmine Hideous Crackhouse jfc,
Can you at least TRY to come up with plausible scenarios? |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 2:10 PM Author: Cream concupiscible hell digit ratio tbf, how is using DNA data to target certain ethnic/racial/other groups not plausible? Discrimination has been the rule rather than the exception throughout human history. There is no indication that America is unique in its ability to avoid such a future. Democratic countries with less group-tension have fallen in this behaviour before. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23323211) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 2:17 PM Author: Carmine Hideous Crackhouse Nothing you said makes any sense.
I feel dumber for having read this. |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 9:49 PM Author: carnelian forum ratface How the fuck would DNA swabs help you target racial/ethnic groups? It's not like it's really difficult to tell whether someone's hispanic or black. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23325651) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 11:37 PM Author: violet soul-stirring plaza cgm is such a fucking joke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23326681) |
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Date: June 4th, 2013 7:44 PM Author: carnelian forum ratface (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23330822) |
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Date: June 4th, 2013 7:49 PM Author: Cream concupiscible hell digit ratio You never heard of Jews? For example. Get your head out of your ass. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23330859) |
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Date: June 4th, 2013 8:42 PM Author: carnelian forum ratface I've never needed a DNA test to identify a jew, if that's what you're asking.
Furthermore, a DNA test would mistakenly identify jews who had since abandoned judaism and become Christians, perhaps several generations ago. |
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Date: June 4th, 2013 8:53 PM Author: Cream concupiscible hell digit ratio "I've never needed a DNA test to identify a jew, if that's what you're asking. "
Ever heard of type 2 errors?
"Furthermore, a DNA test would mistakenly identify jews who had since abandoned judaism and become Christians, perhaps several generations ago."
lol, what is this shit? You think the Nazis only went after Jews who were overtly practicing? Their concern was BLOOD.
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Date: June 4th, 2013 9:36 PM Author: carnelian forum ratface Do you think the purpose of DNA swabbing suspects is to identify Jews so we can round them up like the Nazis? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23331353) |
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Date: June 4th, 2013 7:53 PM Author: light trip school you may wish to be a bitch for the state. the 4th amendment protects the rest of us. or should have why do you care if the government has full access to your residence? to your medical records? there doesn't have to be a downside or a legit concern for it to be considered an intrusion, but if you can't think of possible downsides and legit concerns, you ain't bright |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 1:11 PM Author: Cerebral center Trying to use DNA to link the suspect to the scene of the crime or other other unsolved cases seems perfectly reasonably to me given that all you need to do is swab someone. That is not intrusive and no one cares. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23322963) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 1:50 PM Author: Carmine Hideous Crackhouse "n addition to DNA, they could measure every limb, every organ, run an MRI, and measure your asshole's circumference. but they don't because none of that is necessary to identify you."
Now you are just flaming for the sake of argument.
None of the things you listed makes any fucking sense.
run an MRI?
Really?
You really analogize swabbing your mouth with a fucking MRI? |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 1:52 PM Author: charismatic misunderstood internal respiration station which is more intrusive? lying in a loud chamber for 10 minutes or having someone put something in your mouth? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23323133) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 1:56 PM Author: Carmine Hideous Crackhouse *resits the obvious invitation for a joke*
Having someone put a q-tip in your mouth and roll it around for 5 seconds is not intrusive.
Shit, it was more of an inconvenience to get fucking fingerprinted for the Bar than a buccal swab will be. |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 2:01 PM Author: charismatic misunderstood internal respiration station the broader point is that DNA swabs, MRIs, anthropometric measurements or anything else are needed to identify people who are arrested. that's a lie spread by authoritarians like the majority on this case and prosecutor scum like yourself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23323167) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 2:03 PM Author: Carmine Hideous Crackhouse yfwgi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23323177) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 2:05 PM Author: charismatic misunderstood internal respiration station read scalia's dissent and tell me i'm flame. the majority argues that king's DNA was used to identify him but the police don't even process or get results back from the DNA test for weeks or months. and at no point do they use his DNA to identify him. it's a transparent lie to get around the fourth amendment and turn the US into a police state.
start at section B on page 36. it's a quick and fun read
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/12-207_d18e.pdf |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 2:19 PM Author: Carmine Hideous Crackhouse Boo-fucking-Hoo
If he was innocent then the collection of his DNA wouldn't matter.
The State Bar for # different states have my fingerprints on record.
Do you think I give a shit?
No, because I don't commit crimes. |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 2:26 PM Author: charismatic misunderstood internal respiration station this is what it always comes down to with you authoritarians, isn't it? if you're not being bad, it doesn't matter.
don't you realize that every database ever made is abused by hackers or employees exceeding their authorization or those in charge to go after purported enemies of the state? anything we can do to reduce or eliminate databases should be encouraged. that's why i started this whole subthread saying that the government should record a minimal set of records necessary to identify any suspect. |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 2:27 PM Author: Carmine Hideous Crackhouse Fine, blow up the DMV database since it's so dangerous to society as a whole. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23323307) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 9:51 PM Author: carnelian forum ratface How are my fingerprint records with the state bar being abused? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23325664) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 11:23 PM Author: Pearly Razzle Crotch Love Of Her Life under this reasoning, no fourth amendment protections are necessary because if the accused was innocent it wouldnt matter.
you seem dumb. |
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Date: June 4th, 2013 7:56 PM Author: light trip school statist bitch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23330893) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 12:53 PM Author: lascivious ruby factory reset button oh noes probably cause insufficient oh noes better let them lock the faggot up and go write a warrant for a judge to rubber stamp before returning to the cell to get the swab |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 12:58 PM Author: Cerebral center This seems very reasonable to me. There is no real difference between taking a DNA sample and taking a fingerprint, both are non-intrusive and help to identify the suspect. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23322882) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 11:42 PM Author: violet soul-stirring plaza no, idiot. if you had read any posts in this thread, the article this thread was about, or the dissent itself, you would realize that it takes weeks or months to identify a person using DNA evidence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23326733) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 1:07 PM Author: Stimulating Theater are country is done here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23322946) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 2:05 PM Author: sadistic heady skinny woman national (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23323185) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 9:53 PM Author: floppy candlestick maker scalia gettin' some pussy tonight (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23325690) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 10:00 PM Author: supple brilliant telephone organic girlfriend lol @ fucking idiots in this thread. 'Teh Gubermint will never "profile" youre DNA!! Dat's Star Trek shit!!' 'Just Let dem have your DNA to catch the B@d guise!!!!' |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 10:14 PM Author: Curious demanding resort rigor Convicted felons everywhere already have their DNA sampled.
The purpose of taking DNA at the arrest stage is to get DNA from non-convicts. |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 10:32 PM Author: multi-colored metal boiling water I agree with the result, not the logic to get there. Once arrested, they can video tape everything you do, collect urine specimens once you piss etc, and get to the same result. This is just a cleaner way to get to the same place without test-tubing piss. That's my logic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23326022) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 11:03 PM Author: bespoke principal's office I loved Scalia's dissent. I actually laughed out loud. Even when I don't agree with him, I enjoy reading his opinions. My favorite line from this dissent:
"I hope that the Maryland officials who read the Court’s opinion do not take it seriously."
Fucking 180, I swear. |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 11:24 PM Author: Pearly Razzle Crotch Love Of Her Life what is considered a "serious offense?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23326541) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 11:33 PM Author: Pearly Razzle Crotch Love Of Her Life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23326641) |
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Date: June 4th, 2013 12:17 AM Author: Disgusting Frisky Wrinkle People Who Are Hurt this is one of Kennedy's more poorly written decisions, fucking sucks to read (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23327043) |
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Date: June 4th, 2013 1:11 AM Author: 180 ape preventive strike "United States v. Kincade, 379 F. 3d 813, 874 (CA9 2004)"
can some of you law review mastermen explain the CA9 cite instead of 9th Cir.? at p. 15. |
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Date: June 4th, 2013 1:12 AM Author: clear pontificating antidepressant drug rehab also a space between the F. and 3d
Good enough to SCOTUS clerks, not good enough for Cardozo law review |
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Date: June 4th, 2013 1:20 AM Author: 180 ape preventive strike lol i didnt even notice the f.3d, wtf. think he typed that shit himself and just said "print it" and the law clerks were all like "these cites are all fucked but you're the boss"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23327495) |
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Date: June 4th, 2013 7:47 PM Author: bateful thirsty pit death wish scotus has its own citation convention. every circuit court is cited as CA__. check out other opinions, you'll see they're consistent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23330849) |
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Date: June 4th, 2013 8:09 PM Author: Hairraiser Set OH SNAP!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23330952) |
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Date: June 4th, 2013 8:12 PM Author: mind-boggling crimson gas station lol at that SCOTUS noob (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23330972) |
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Date: June 4th, 2013 9:39 PM Author: glassy range turdskin lots of people itt didn't read the opinion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2272516&forum_id=2#23331367) |